[Tukkun Hours] 8th Time - Chat Log

betterplayerIV: woo got some offline progress

betterplayerIV: oh hey Tukkun

betterplayerIV: see you in the chat list

betterplayerIV: (prob not going to talk for a few min though because it's 12:29)

Axiss32: Tukkun usually never talks to the chat, unless it's in the Tukkun Hours period

betterplayerIV: yeah

betterplayerIV: wonder why it's the exact minute

levak2: because middle of Tukkun hours is at 13:37, leet

betterplayerIV: oh, yeah..

durpedurp: can anyone link me the new achievement page?

Tukkun: Axiss, actually I do talk outside of Tukkun Hours!

Tukkun: It's just that I'm really busy with internship stuff lately, so I don't have as much time to focus on Anti-Idle as before

Axiss32: @durp http://pastebin.com/qc2Gy1au That's the unofficial list

Tukkun: And I also have other projects, namely the Japanese learning game, Idlemon, and a tower defense game

jhozhwa10: hey guys im new. taming invisible x is an effective ally for mining?

Axiss32: Ok cool

Anonymity: A wild Tukkun showed up. And talked.

betterplayerIV: 3 minutes early.

betterplayerIV: that's 180,000,000,000 nanoseconds.

Tukkun: So I just figure that I should spend a fixed 2 hours a week to focus on making Anti-Idle

Axiss32: First at all, IX is not used for randomly mining, cause it will teleport you in another, harder difficulty.

betterplayerIV: that's like, 1.something trillion atom cesium things.

Axiss32: Second, why mining at low rank?

betterplayerIV: actually, more than that

jhozhwa10: pendants worth it

Axiss32: Anyway, it's cool you also included Idlemon in the projects list. I thought it got deleted somewhere

betterplayerIV: somewhere between 50 and 100 trillion

Tukkun: I plan to completely revise Idlemon

betterplayerIV: forgot what it exactly is about cesium

betterplayerIV: but it's what atomic clocks count and use

Tukkun: It will still be an idle puzzle game, but the gameplay will be significantly different from the original plan

Tukkun: Over the years my vision has changed

Tukkun: so I will make Idlemon as simple as possible rather than focusing on "complex" elements like I did with Anti-Idle

Axiss32: Yup, that's a nice idea.

Tukkun: There will still be a lot of different "goals" to grind towards and a variety of gameplay modes though

Tukkun: so you will not have to worry about running out of things to do after one week like with the new "incremental" games that are appearing lately

[I lost a section of the chat log here. Basically, I introduced the stuff I would do in this Tukkun Hours! event, namely "revamping" the Dragon of Wisdom. I was talking about making Sword of Ascendant permanent, and changing the requirement from 200 feedings in a single day to 1000 total feedings to obtain the Sword. Also, I asked players to suggest new speeches for the Dragon of Wisdom.]

Tukkun: Easy, I know

fenyan: what a greedy beast.

betterplayerIV: the game creator always thinks things are easy (though 1k feedings is easy, just more costly)

Ludogamer: would S-level feeding daily quest be bumped up to 1k too?

Flarebrass: no reason for it to be

ilgue: shh don't tell that

andrewwang36: something about pyrabow?

betterplayerIV: maybe a 2nd part?

betterplayerIV: how high is the dragon s quest

Flarebrass: 500/day for daily, 25k all time

betterplayerIV: maybe part 2 is 750/900/1000/1337?

TrueWolves: 327k total feeds. @.@

TrueWolves: betterplayer, quests are being reworked later anyhow

levak2: will you publish list of new Achievements before release of the new system, Tukkun?

betterplayerIV: Tukkun

betterplayerIV: you should add a counter to the Dragon

betterplayerIV: that says the # of feeds day/all time right under dragon boost

TrueWolves: No need, it's in the quest log

betterplayerIV: yeah

betterplayerIV: but convienience

jhozhwa10: any advice in mining because its hard killing epic crystal right now for me

betterplayerIV: why did we make garden/adventure/cards

andrewwang36: what level

betterplayerIV: at the bottom

jhozhwa10: i got invisible x ally and silver pick

jhozhwa10: i got lotta drops though in this low rank ^^

andrewwang36: mining- Speed, Crit Chance, Crit Dmg and Boss Damage should be increased, in that order

jhozhwa10: finally got boss hunter pendant from crystal

TrueWolves: Tukkun, any plans on what to do with the 2+ year stockpile of cards lots of mid/high level players get?

corybalkman: I wonder what Tukken is doing atm

betterplayerIV: what is the best way to get 288 reg boost potions a day

Axiss32: Hmm, what about a Dragon speech that says you can improve Progress Bar Reward Multiplier by completing quests?

Axiss32: *Main quests

andrewwang36: a dragon speech on how mining is bad at low levels?

jhozhwa10: not that bad

jhozhwa10: i use MINE!!!!!! with invisible x and hardcore difficulty

Tukkun: Hmm

Flarebrass: how many harvests to master a tree in the normal garden? 1mil?

Tukkun: I lost connection so the chat log is gone

Axiss32: Uhm?

Axiss32: Mastery on Home Garden doesn't cap.

Tukkun: Does someone happen to have the chat log

Axiss32: It levels whenever you "reach" a new digit on Harvest Count

corybalkman: I have some of it Tukken

corybalkman: Not all of it

corybalkman: Bu some

Omesh: I suggest removing spawn timers from abandoned lab buttons. Then make them not count towards quest, which is the reason for timers I expect.

DawidR2: @Tukkun http://pastebin.com/pChUz5As

Axiss32: http://prntscr.com/915ore

Tukkun: I only have the chat log to "so you will not have to worry about running out of things to do after one week like with the new "incremental" games that are appearing lately"

Tukkun: :<

Tukkun: Thanks anyway, I guess

betterplayerIV: betterplayerIV: Tukkun betterplayerIV: you should add a counter to the Dragon betterplayerIV: that says the # of feeds day/all time right under dragon boost

betterplayerIV: you should add a counter to the Dragon that says the # of feeds day/all time right under dragon boost

Axiss32: You can check it in the Quests tab: Dragon Buffet daily quest

betterplayerIV: yeah

betterplayerIV: but convienience

Tukkun: Hmm, noted

betterplayerIV: why did we add all that stuff above the bottom bar above the bar lower

betterplayerIV: like adventure and cards and battery and stuff

betterplayerIV: for convienience

betterplayerIV: convienience is good

Axiss32: Wut

Axiss32: Then I'd suggest a "Grandpas reminder" for show whenever they click :P

levak2: you can set up Tech light to flash when number of button clicks has chnged during last second

Axiss32: I was joking ):

levak2: I know

eldercain: those cute lil guys always clickin

jhozhwa10: anyone can kill crystal in idle mode?

jhozhwa10: i mean autofight?

Flarebrass: easily

Flarebrass: with better gear

jhozhwa10: how long till you kill from one on another

Flarebrass: depends on gear

Axiss32: I'd suggest you to do anything else for rank up :P

jhozhwa10: i got alot loots right now

jhozhwa10: killing epic crystal in 1 blow

ktrout42: * a lot of

jhozhwa10: sorry grammar kill chat

jsmoothz: did you take a grammar pill?

jhozhwa10: not yet

ktrout42: lol

jhozhwa10: i ate alot of smurfs today

Axiss32: Poor <Smurfs

jhozhwa10: anyways. where should i start racking up exp right now? rank 74

betterplayerIV: is tukkun still here

Flarebrass: first ascension jhoz?

Flarebrass: do the main path, the highest zone you can kill bosses before they touch you

betterplayerIV: I'm 4793 +0 on my 6th save

jhozhwa10: oh ok

betterplayerIV: should ascend sometime around February

jhozhwa10: is coup de grace a good skill for low rank?

betterplayerIV: gosh

betterplayerIV: it's tough to get 999999 rep

betterplayerIV: took so long to get 2k

betterplayerIV: then spent 1500 on max energy

betterplayerIV: I'm lv 4813 now

Flarebrass: adventures?

betterplayerIV: yah

betterplayerIV: 4814

Flarebrass: I'm 6k+7 with ~70k rep

Flarebrass: 87140 atm

Flarebrass: don't expect anything in this game to be fast

betterplayerIV: yeah

betterplayerIV: been playing since 2010-11

betterplayerIV: on my 6th savefile

betterplayerIV: on my 5th it took 100-something days of playtime to get to 7k

jhozhwa10: it sucks. i only get .1 exp from the bosses

betterplayerIV: then I lost it

betterplayerIV: I would love to ascend in February

Flarebrass: jhoz, you should have rank 500 after your second ascension

betterplayerIV: maybe March

Flarebrass: until then, don't care about time

betterplayerIV: yeah

jhozhwa10: actually. im pretty bad at equipments right now lol

jhozhwa10: not like before. i lost my save file

betterplayerIV: I thought 999999 would be hard, but it's hard to get a thousand

jsmoothz: lol it took like 4 days to get to 2000...

jhozhwa10: what enhancement you guys put on your weapons?

jhozhwa10: like for farming exp

Flarebrass: there are tons of gearing guides

Flarebrass: use them to determine what stats you'd want

jhozhwa10: ill take a look at that. its been 2 years since the last time i played. lol

Flarebrass: lots of BA changes since then

betterplayerIV: 8 days or so/2k

betterplayerIV: that means 999999 would take until version 2000

jhozhwa10: i miss the old times though

jhozhwa10: BA is so easy

betterplayerIV: yeah

jsmoothz: eta - never\

betterplayerIV: I wish I could play AITG from the bonus bar era

betterplayerIV: I missed that era of AITG

betterplayerIV: joined around pre-Explosion

jhozhwa10: yeah

betterplayerIV: there are no swfs of 1100-ish'

jhozhwa10: i remember that time

betterplayerIV: there was a 1.09 save until megaswf disappeared

betterplayerIV: now it's not hosted by anything

betterplayerIV: I wonder if tukkun still has the 1.09 swf

jhozhwa10: with the secret save file

Axiss32: SSF got created long time later

betterplayerIV: ^

jhozhwa10: anyways. that's from the past. never coming back. lol

betterplayerIV: any good swf's of old versions?

betterplayerIV: anything circa 2011

betterplayerIV: miss those days

Tukkun: "Every 10 times you help Mission Kommander, you can reset your Skill Points for free, once."

Tukkun: Why is this even included as one of the speeches of Dragon of Wisdom

katkin56: because it used to be true?

Tukkun: Yeah, but that was several centuries ago

betterplayerIV: if a century = 100 version

betterplayerIV: then it has been centuries

Axiss32: Well, there's still stuff like "Pet's max level is 100"

jhozhwa10: maybe a thousand versions. that'll be an era

betterplayerIV: how many times have I fed the dragon today

betterplayerIV: I don't have quest

Axiss32: http://prntscr.com/9162lg I agree! Not now...

betterplayerIV: how do I get the dragon buffet quest

betterplayerIV: are there 243 speeches

betterplayerIV: how many are there

Axiss32: 614

betterplayerIV: I have the exact same skills as the Invisible Zebra!

levak2: Visit the Ye Olde Pub at the 15th and 45th minutes of each hour for a surprise!

betterplayerIV: an era in my terms is when something gets added/removed that is game-changing

betterplayerIV: like the world era, bonus bar era, explosion era

betterplayerIV: awesome update era

betterplayerIV: revive era (now)

betterplayerIV: house era

Axiss32: "Green Coin throw that stuns the enemy that is annoying" era

betterplayerIV: it's actually bonus bar era (approx. 1000-1200)

betterplayerIV: then pre-explosion era (approx. 1200-1300)

Axiss32: "Bonus Bar era"

betterplayerIV: then explosion era (approx 1300-1460)

Axiss32: Never heard anything about that thing

betterplayerIV: when the bonus bar was around

betterplayerIV: go to the original old aitg thread

Tukkun: Pet level 200 is much more recent than free SP reset

betterplayerIV: http://www.kongregate.com/forums/60-anti-idle-the-game/topics/73319-anti-idle-the-official-thread?page=101

betterplayerIV: see "bonus boost" under prog, exp, and coin?

betterplayerIV: that's the bonus bar

Tukkun: That's not the bonus bar

betterplayerIV: oh

Tukkun: The bonus bar is the one next to the Shop button

betterplayerIV: always thought it was

Tukkun: which is annoyingly covered by the breaking news

Axiss32: v1576

LukasM65: Heil Tukkun!

Naldsss: oh it's TH!

Tukkun: Oh, hey

Tukkun: I'm focusing on updating Dragon messages

Tukkun: so I'm not very active in chat today

Tukkun: but I assure you I read everything!

Axiss32: Is there a way for see the finalized Achievements list?

Naldsss: a couple of days ago, someone suggested using number keys in BA for the inventory - comparable to FCG

Naldsss: to switch tabs, i guess

Tukkun: Axiss, I'm probably not revealing the Achievements list

Axiss32: Okay.

Tukkun: because people will rage and stuff and it's going to influence my decisions

Tukkun: I've done enough analysis to ensure every achievement is possible and to some extent reasonable, and probably won't be making further changes

LukasM65: question!

Tukkun: Yes?

LukasM65: Did you base the corruption off terraria?

LukasM65: it really looks like it

Tukkun: The designer of The Corruption did.

LukasM65: oh

LukasM65: okay

Tukkun: I did not design the area

LukasM65: then its a yes

Axiss32: Round 730 in MBR...great, Specialized Skill lvl 0

eldercain: HAHA AXISS

eldercain: oops caps

Tukkun: http://www.terrariaonline.com/threads/a-special-homage-to-terraria.60993/

eldercain: i swear every time i pop over to read chat you've messed up your build deep in a raid

Tukkun: Here's the original version of Anti-Idle's The Corruption area before it was redesigned by LucidCrux

LukasM65: okay, thanks

Tukkun: LucidCrux redesigned most of the backgrounds in the Battle Arena, making them significantly more awesome

Naldsss: speech 80 : "Grade 11 plots in the Garden add 55% to harvest value"

Naldsss: should be 110% i think?

eldercain: if you need more things he should say just add random "facts" about dragon anatomy

Axiss32: It is 110%.

Tukkun: Yup, it is 110%

eldercain: "did you know dragons are more closely related to bats than lizards?"

eldercain: :V

Axiss32: Though I'm curious on what level my plots are now.

Axiss32: Some of them are close to 2m EXP :P

LukasM65: I miss the old shop, I once played this a long time ago

Tukkun: Whoa... the process of updating Dragon speeches is consuming a surprisingly large amount of time

Tukkun: The new speech list currently has 366 speeches and it's still largely incomplete

Tukkun: Currently I'm writing messages related to the Battle Arena

Tukkun: There are so many new things. Specialized skills, for instance.

Tukkun: And also, raids.

LukasM65: Meanwhile I hope this will end up well at the end

Axiss32: Will Dragon say STZ exists at Rank 500 in ATZ and gives more BPs in WM?

Tukkun: But isn't STZ in Beginner Training Zone?

Tukkun: Or do I not know my own game

Axiss32: oops, messed up

LukasM65: oh look, a ring of cruelty

andrewwang36: the ones about knockback?

Axiss32: Sometimes I do a lot of confusion between stuff ):

Naldsss: "The Endless Dungeon is not endless."

LukasM65: DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNNN

Tukkun: New Dragon speeches will focus more on less obvious aspects of the game

Axiss32: inb4 Floor 666 is the max floor

Tukkun: and things that you would typically see in guides and stuff

Abinmorth: finally got the junk only fishing rod. :)

eldercain: something i ended up getting informed about was that dark ruler will let you idle in the spooky graveyard

eldercain: dunno if that's wisdom worthy

Tukkun: That's some pretty interesting wisdom, yes.

LukasM65: Is there a speech something like: Wear a ring of protection to avoid losing rings!

Tukkun: Well... actually, yes.

Tukkun: There will also be advice on which rings are useful and which rings are not very useful

eldercain: haha

Axiss32: "I'm on a boat!"

LukasM65: buff the rings

Naldsss: why are you suggesting that?

Tukkun: Probably not going to resolve anything - the rings are fundamentally useless, not because it gives too little stats

andrewwang36: 194-

Axiss32: "Too little stats" Actually depends. I found Cruelty Ring pretty strong. Combo too

eldercain: and no reason to remove them in case future updates to stats happen to make them useful

Tukkun: I'm not talking about Cruelty -__-

Tukkun: Anyway, now that we are talking about Rings

Tukkun: What are your opinions on them?

Tukkun: Is there a type that is too strong that renders all others obsolete?

Tukkun: And which types will you never use no matter what?

Anonymity: protection

DarkDefiler: Protection ring OP, it protects ALL rings, nerf plz!

eldercain: cruelty, xp, master, speed, power, prot, chronos, combo all have their uses so it's not a problem of one of them being too op i don't think

Naldsss: i never used health/mana/defense/leech i think

levak2: Reflection ring is useless imo

Naldsss: ^this too

eldercain: i think leech might have been good when people were doing pirate sword shennanigans

Axiss32: Health/Mana/Leech are useless.

eldercain: well reflection in general is useless, but maybe someday it won't be

Axiss32: Reflection can be good damage while idling. It somewhat helps 1-shotting stuff

Axiss32: Mostly for newbies. Useless for everybody else.

Axiss32: For me, Leech in the most useless skill ever. I rarely used it for RQs that required Spirit abilites, but then Drain is pathetic, and Mana Eater is "lol wtf"

eldercain: yeah drain is pretty bad, but it kind of makes sense why

Naldsss: @axiss same applies to some rings like speed/mastery/critical? useful very early, but noone uses them after ~r200 or so?

eldercain: it'd either be useless or completely OP depending on your strength vs the mobs

Axiss32: Yep. At least those have an utility for somebody

Tukkun: Is the Drain ability itself useless, or just the Ring?

Tukkun: And how would you suggest improving it?

Axiss32: Currently have no plans. But what about a "You recover x% of MaxHP whenever you hit"?

Tukkun: So basically, make it independent on the amount of damage that you deal?

Tukkun: Right now, it adds 50 Drain level, which is 10% of MaxHP per hit

Naldsss: for me, in BA, i either survive easily or get 1shot - so drain doesn't really help much in those situations

eldercain: with health regen being so strong and most monsters either oneshotting you or you kill them it's not great

Axiss32: ^

eldercain: if there was a drain for mana that would probably help more than current mana eater which is only useful for DP

Axiss32: Even if you're able to recover a maximum of 10% MaxHP, your HP Regen and modules recover much faster

eldercain: kind of moot once you have shiny mp mods but before then it'd be really nice

eldercain: i guess if you wanted you could nerf hp regen and force players to invest some in drain, but i don't know if that really changes much other than forcing a bit more sp usage in most builds

Naldsss: btw - i think it is not that the drain skill in itself is useless, it is just the environment, that doesn't allow this skill to do anything

Naldsss: because hp regen is already so strong (via master potion) and you either live or die vs stuff

Tukkun: Yeah, noted

Tukkun: Back then when HP regen was only once per second and there were no mods, Drain was somewhat useful

Tukkun: But now HP recovers too quickly and there are mods

Axiss32: It was, yep

Tukkun: I'd assume that even if Drain is buffed (for example, 0.5% of MaxHP per level instead of 0.2%), it will remain useless

Naldsss: i think it would still be the same thing, yeah

Axiss32: Hmm, nerfing HP Regen and/or mods would be helpful, I think

Tukkun: Thing is, people don't appreciate that

Naldsss: the only thing that would change is that more inexperienced players would think the skill is useful/good

Axiss32: The problem would still be that in most raids you dodge everything or get 1-shotted

eldercain: right, only you might have to take drain for the edge cases where things hit for 2/3

eldercain: which really just means you have to spend however many points in the skill

eldercain: it's not necessarily a compelling change

Axiss32: And mods exist :P

eldercain: well since hp mod is based on your regen if it was nerfed enough you could force drain, but yeah

Axiss32: But then people will hate the nerf

eldercain: it'd be pretty disruptive to shoehorn drain into usefulness

hajihill: with as long as some raids are already, and as cut and dry as most mobs battles are you'd have to draw out individual battles, make there be less of them and make them worth more exp to compensate.

hajihill: it's like an inflation problem. drain just doesn't make sense, unless you deflate the whole thing.

eldercain: and i kind of like the current ba balance

NerevarineLoL: Tukkun: can RBs give more BP, ty

Axiss32: Aren't 250k BPs sufficient for you, Scrubvarine?

NerevarineLoL: no

NerevarineLoL: that's only 1/4th of the "cap"

Tukkun: I'm back

Tukkun: Hmm what if Drain is fundamentally changed

Tukkun: so that you can "drain" past your MaxHP

Tukkun: Each level of Drain will allow you to exceed your MaxHP by 0.5%, for instance

Axiss32: But then STZ would be pathetic cause will give less stuff than RBs

Axiss32: @Nerev

Tukkun: and only the Drain skill will allow you to exceed your MaxHP, not healing or natural regen or potions

hajihill: would that work past the 20m HPO cap?

hajihill: *HP

NerevarineLoL: kinda like league's bloodthirster - provides lifesteal and any life stolen at max hp goes into a shield that caps at some point

NerevarineLoL: Axiss32: at least 350k would be better

Naldsss: sounds like the hp boost skill for someone who is at 20m-1 hp already

hajihill: except you have to charge it each time.

hajihill: assuming you're up against mobs that would one shot you anyway.

NerevarineLoL: basically, it would be nice to have a choice between sitting at r500 and doing STZ or doing RBs (wasting time doing past ▲+100, but gaining "same" amount of BP)

Axiss32: ▲-100

Tukkun: There were lots of debate on whether Rebirths should give more BP

Tukkun: but most people chose "No", because rebirths are kind of pathetic

NerevarineLoL: they are, yes

Tukkun: They don't want it to be too OP for gaining BP compared to other sources

Tukkun: If Rebirths are too efficient for BP, they will feel inclined to rebirth a lot

Axiss32: Any plans on buffing the Auto-EXP set bonus of Reincarnation Set? I got 100 RBs last week, feel like getting junk amount every second

hajihill: oh Tukkun, did you see this: http://puu.sh/l5AsP/f85ce88c5c.png

NerevarineLoL: RBs are cancerous, doubt EVERYONE would do them if they gave more BP

hajihill: It's hella minor, but i broke something.

Tukkun: Yep, I did see that

Tukkun: Congrats on breaking it

jr637: Stop breaking it haji

Tukkun: and no I don't plan to fix it :P

jr637: Geeze

hajihill: lol. thx. not sure if you cared. Cool. :)

Axiss32: Go, make it so the number can reach the red thingy

hajihill: working on it... should only take way way way longer.

Axiss32: 199.6 business...so close

NerevarineLoL: Tukkun: cfoc mods pls

hajihill: just open thousands of cc's.

Tukkun: So what do people think about the new idea for Drain

hajihill: it's a possible improvement. not sure how much it'll matter for late growth raids.

eldercain: it gives it a use for sure, if it can go over the current hard cap

Naldsss: Naldsss: sounds like the hp boost skill for someone who is at 20m-1 hp already hajihill: except you have to charge it each time. hajihill: assuming you're up against mobs that would one shot you anyway.

eldercain: i guess the question is how much farther does it let you survive and is it gonna matter with revive the way it is

eldercain: it'd be interesting to try out and see i suppose

eldercain: it at least would have some use instead of none

Tukkun: If this is done I will probably have to reduce the drain amount when HP is full though

Tukkun: At 10% of MaxHP per hit, charging the extra HP is too easy

Tukkun: Maybe 90% less drain when HP is full

Tukkun: So at Drain Lv. 50 at 20m-1 MaxHP, you will get 200,000 HP per hit, and you will be able to reach 25,000,000 HP, which is after 25 hits

TrueWolves: Any ideas for what to do for those who have 2+ years in stored up cards in addition to 10000+ legendary boxes?

Tukkun: ^ That's probably heavily exaggarated, but there are currently no plans :P

TrueWolves: Also, drain hp giving overcapped HP might be a thing?

TrueWolves: Actually, it's not for me. >.>

eldercain: 25 hits is easy enough to hit

TrueWolves: Well, okay, I only have 2.5k legendary boxes. Mostly from gambling boxes bought before imp ascends.

TrueWolves: But otherwise it's not an exageration. @.@

Axiss32: I have 1.2k LBs now

TrueWolves: And I know some people do have more. Heh.

hajihill: don't need to buy gamblers before imps anymore, do you?

TrueWolves: Not really, no, just buying progress boxes isn't much more useful when I have 50k of those and can only burn ~4-5k of them on an imp.

hajihill: i have 235k prog boxes. you should buy more.

TrueWolves: But maybe I ought to just not care and build up an insane stockpile of those for mediums in the future.