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  1. [16:51] <%Delko> k, last team
  2. [16:51] <%Delko> what about this one: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462408
  3. [16:52] <yee> ok which one?
  4. 01[16:52] <ShakeItUp> uhh k.
  5. [16:52] <%Delko> or does anyone have team in mind?
  6. [16:52] <yee> needs help
  7. [16:53] <%Delko> what are the problems?
  8. [16:53] <yee> its just not focused
  9. [16:54] <yee> i cant tell if its stall, balance, or what
  10. [16:54] <mw|away> Let's try this one: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462388
  11. [16:54] <mw|away> let's try this one: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462388
  12. [16:54] <yee> and sub dd gyara isnt meant for non weather
  13. 02[16:54] * DittoCrow (~Chat-Gues@31B5A154.DBAD4292.11885D9C.IP) Quit (Quit: Leaving!)
  14. [16:54] <yee> oh ive been wanting to rate that
  15. 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> lol.
  16. [16:54] <mw|away> it
  17. [16:54] <mw|away> is a great dark horse team
  18. 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> that seems hard
  19. [16:54] <%Delko> oh nice cobalion
  20. 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> x.x
  21. [16:54] <%Delko> sure, let's do that one then
  22. 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> k
  23. [16:55] <%Delko> cool pics though
  24. [16:55] <mw|away> first he could really use another fighting resist
  25. [16:55] <%Delko> fist three at least
  26. [16:56] <yee> brb
  27. [16:57] <%Delko> agree
  28. [16:57] <%Delko> something like scarf terrakion can be a bit of a problem
  29. [16:59] <mw|away> yea ikr, something like sand veil gliscor would be cool as it keeps the offensive momentum up
  30. [17:00] <%Delko> he also mentions CM jirachi, darmanitan as threats
  31. [17:01] <%Delko> and i don't think mandibuzz is the best check for life orb starmie
  32. [17:02] <mw|away> indeed even if it manages to take a hit, it'll go down cauz of the recoil
  33. 03[17:02] * creepshow (~creepshow@synIRC-C95B788.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  34. [17:04] <%Delko> alright, so any suggestions?
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  36. [17:05] <yee> are we planning on keeping the triple musketeer thing?
  37. [17:05] <%Delko> it's the main idea of his team so that would be best yeah
  38. [17:05] <yee> alright
  39. [17:06] <yee> apparently mandibuzz deals with gengar and latios
  40. 03[17:06] * steamroll (~Steamroll@horseshoes.and.hand.grenades) has joined #ratemyteam
  41. [17:06] <yee> i really want to replace that tbh
  42. [17:06] <%Delko> also specs politoed
  43. [17:06] <%Delko> i think a spinner would be nice as well
  44. 02[17:06] * ~Haunter (~Haunter@Choice.Scarf) Quit (Quit: Goodbye!)
  45. [17:07] <yee> basically what were needing to check these threats and not leave him open is a bulky water
  46. [17:07] <%Delko> seeing most of his pokes lack recovery
  47. [17:07] <%Delko> and are weak to all hazards
  48. 03[17:07] * Pocket311 (Mibbit@synIRC-EA72E17C.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  49. [17:07] <yee> well his team is trying to not give any set up time so i think thats fine
  50. 02[17:07] * Hyperbeem (~hyperbeem@synIRC-938BC482.tx.res.rr.com) Quit (Connection reset by peer)
  51. [17:07] <%Delko> true, three taunt users
  52. [17:07] <yee> the worst that could happen is something like tentacruel or forry getting a layer or two on tar or viriz
  53. [17:07] <%Delko> idk about forry
  54. 03[17:07] * Hyperbeem (~hyperbeem@synIRC-938BC482.tx.res.rr.com) has joined #ratemyteam
  55. [17:07] <%Delko> he has hp fire
  56. [17:08] <%Delko> for volturn I imagine
  57. [17:08] <yee> yeah its just sturdy lol
  58. [17:08] <yee> yeah thankfully nite is well covered by cobalion
  59. [17:08] <Pocket311> you guys looking at katakiri's team??
  60. [17:08] <mw|away> yea
  61. [17:08] <%Delko> yeah
  62. [17:08] <Pocket311> thanks!
  63. [17:08] <%Delko> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462388
  64. [17:09] <yee> so what is he weak to overall
  65. [17:09] <yee> the threat list is funny but hard to scan through
  66. [17:10] <mw|away> scarf terrakion + hazards like delko mentioned earlier
  67. [17:10] <%Delko> i would definitely say water moves
  68. [17:10] <Pocket311> yea
  69. [17:10] <yee> i dont see scarf terrak being any problem
  70. [17:10] <Pocket311> rain teams may fuck it up
  71. [17:10] <yee> rock gem would be the only one
  72. [17:10] <%Delko> especially rain boosted
  73. [17:10] <yee> but water rain boosted seems much more relevnat
  74. [17:11] <%Delko> scarf toed with hydro pump in the rain
  75. [17:11] <yee> hes very sub gyara weak
  76. [17:11] <Rewer> slowbro > mew?
  77. [17:11] <%Delko> and a -sdef nature virizion
  78. [17:11] <yee> i think thats the biggest problem
  79. [17:11] <Pocket311> slowbro doesn't take rain hits well
  80. [17:11] <%Delko> indeed
  81. [17:11] <Rewer> it keeps checking terrakion
  82. [17:11] <Rewer> and gives a water resist at least
  83. [17:12] <%Delko> i would again say something like latias
  84. [17:12] <Pocket311> latias > mew?
  85. [17:12] <%Delko> i was thinking that yes
  86. [17:12] <yee> mew is the heavy fighting resist
  87. [17:12] <yee> he needs one of those
  88. [17:12] <Pocket311> twash's physically defensive latias is pretty good at tanking physical fighting moves
  89. [17:13] <%Delko> true
  90. [17:13] <Rewer> i'm not sure
  91. [17:13] <yee> then hes really weak to sd terrakion if that sets up
  92. [17:13] <Rewer> if latias can take on sd terra
  93. [17:13] <yee> it cant
  94. [17:13] <Pocket311> yea, it's a little iffy
  95. [17:14] <Pocket311> roar > calm mind perhaps
  96. [17:14] <Pocket311> but with calm mind, terra would beat latias
  97. [17:14] <Pocket311> esp with sand boost
  98. [17:14] <yee> it beats it with roar too
  99. [17:15] <Pocket311> yea, it's still tricky
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  101. [17:15] <Pocket311> and without calm mind
  102. [17:15] <Pocket311> it
  103. 03[17:15] * Waveshine (~Bang_1995@synIRC-6BCD9A0C.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #ratemyteam
  104. [17:15] <Pocket311> is harder to deal with lo starmie in the rain
  105. [17:15] <%Delko> lets see
  106. [17:16] <Pocket311> i think virizion needs to have its special defense
  107. [17:16] <Pocket311> either via going the calm mind route
  108. [17:16] <yee> well
  109. [17:16] <yee> cm is so much better than work up
  110. [17:17] <%Delko> he uses mew to counter: terrakion, haxorus, reuniclus, gyarados, landorus, infernape, salamence, toxicroak, physical virizion, scrafty, mienshao, mamoswine etc
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  112. [17:17] <yee> i dont see how work up is qc approved
  113. [17:17] <yee> oh wow for infernape
  114. [17:17] <Pocket311> wow = will-o-wisp?
  115. [17:17] <%Delko> well i can work i guess
  116. [17:17] <%Delko> *it
  117. [17:17] <yee> no im just amazed
  118. [17:17] <yee> he needs a better check to it than that
  119. [17:18] <Pocket311> ah right
  120. [17:18] <Pocket311> m b
  121. [17:18] <%Delko> but seeing he already has 2 other close combat users, CM would fit better for this team
  122. [17:18] <yee> and cm is just beter
  123. [17:18] <%Delko> since it's bulker and can take water hits better
  124. [17:18] <%Delko> *bulkier
  125. [17:18] <Pocket311> yea when it comes to dealing with rain threats
  126. [17:18] <yee> so cm viriz as the first change
  127. [17:19] <%Delko> man, he uses mandibuzz to counter a lot of pokemon
  128. [17:19] <%Delko> must try that out sometime
  129. [17:20] <%Delko> he mentions a problem to choice scarf darmanitan
  130. [17:20] <yee> a gastrodon or a swampert would help him so much over mandibuzz defensively
  131. [17:20] <%Delko> aint to much that can check that though
  132. [17:20] <yee> but im not sure they fit in well
  133. [17:20] <yee> they cover jirachi and aura sphere raikou too
  134. [17:20] <yee> oh and check infernape
  135. [17:21] <%Delko> yeah, that's actually a good suggestion
  136. [17:21] <%Delko> gastrodon > mandibuzz
  137. [17:21] <Pocket311> hmm nice :d
  138. [17:21] <%Delko> also fixes his problem to cm jirachi
  139. [17:21] <yee> oh wait
  140. [17:21] <yee> np celebi is a problem
  141. [17:22] <%Delko> alright
  142. [17:22] <%Delko> what about x-scissor > earthquake on terrakion then?
  143. [17:22] <mw|away> so is venasaur in sun
  144. [17:23] <yee> oh yeah forgot he was using that 3rd slot
  145. [17:23] <Pocket311> can we take out one of the musketeers if need be?
  146. [17:23] <yee> i dont think we have to
  147. [17:23] <yee> they all contribute a lot
  148. 03[17:23] * Oklahoma is now known as Metalman
  149. [17:23] <%Delko> lets keep his theme
  150. [17:23] <Pocket311> i think virizion is somewhat dispensable
  151. [17:23] <Pocket311> ok
  152. [17:23] <Metalman> hey
  153. [17:23] <%Delko> only when really needed
  154. [17:25] <%Delko> any other weakness?
  155. [17:25] <Pocket311> i think infernape is well-covered
  156. [17:25] <Pocket311> between mandibuzz and mew
  157. [17:25] <Pocket311> mandibuzz doesn't take much from lo fb
  158. [17:25] <Pocket311> and not many infernape uses nasty plot anymore
  159. [17:25] <Pocket311> most of them prefer to scout
  160. [17:26] <%Delko> his musketeers can always speed tie though
  161. [17:26] <yee> oh yeah mandibuzz does ok without rocks
  162. [17:26] <Pocket311> 33-39%
  163. [17:26] <Pocket311> LO FB
  164. [17:26] <Pocket311> actually
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  166. [17:27] <Pocket311> 42-49% if full SpA invested instead of Atk
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  168. [17:27] <%Delko> so were keeping mandibuzz
  169. [17:28] <%Delko> *we're
  170. [17:28] <%Delko> or replace it with gastrodon
  171. [17:28] <yee> im not sure
  172. [17:28] <yee> gastrodon gives the opponent time to set up
  173. [17:29] <yee> im not convinced he needs any member changes
  174. [17:29] <yee> if anything id probably put something like a mence or gyara over terrakion
  175. [17:29] <yee> to give him a better darmanitan resist
  176. [17:29] <%Delko> he's still kinda water weak
  177. [17:29] <yee> actually sub cm rachi is even more annoying that way
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  179. [17:30] <yee> yeah if we can fix the water weak it would be better
  180. [17:30] <mw|away> but we need to replace one of the musketeers to do that
  181. 03[17:30] * ala (~Ala@8A14798D.4638E2F0.25043210.IP) has joined #ratemyteam
  182. [17:30] <yee> yeah but i dont know if we can improve the team without doing that
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  184. [17:31] <%Delko> what do you want to put in then over one of the musketeers
  185. [17:31] <Pocket311> we can just go with cm virizion to improve his rain weak
  186. [17:31] <yee> yeah i thought we agreed on cm viriz
  187. [17:31] <bkc> tbh that'd just open him up more to tornadus
  188. [17:31] <mw|away> ^
  189. [17:32] <yee> and some kind of water resistant thing over terrakion
  190. [17:32] <Pocket311> his virizion doesn't do shit to tornadus
  191. [17:32] <yee> what would open him up to torn?
  192. [17:32] <bkc> viri
  193. [17:32] <yee> making virizion cm?
  194. [17:32] <%Delko> every team is tornadus weak
  195. [17:32] <yee> in what way does havign a work up viriz help?
  196. [17:32] <Pocket311> it has hp fire
  197. [17:32] <Pocket311> not stone edge
  198. [17:32] <bkc> o i just meant having virizion in general
  199. [17:33] <Pocket311> yea
  200. [17:33] <bkc> it sounds weird but empoleon might work...resists rain and checks tornadus
  201. [17:33] <yee> well hed have to go defensive
  202. [17:33] <yee> and he already has tar for rocks
  203. [17:33] <yee> maybe something with roar could possibly do something
  204. 03[17:33] * Porygon2 sets mode: +v ala
  205. [17:33] <%Delko> he already has roar on cobalion
  206. [17:34] <yee> come to think of it id like better torn coverage
  207. [17:34] <yee> yeah and whirlwind on mandibuzz
  208. [17:34] <%Heist> just use 6 sweepers
  209. [17:34] <%Heist> thats the way to win in bw
  210. [17:34] <Pocket311> haha :P
  211. [17:35] <yee> nah its using sableye
  212. [17:35] <Pocket311> that's not true, Heist
  213. [17:35] <yee> and sun stall
  214. [17:35] <%Heist> funny that
  215. [17:35] <%Heist> i used sableye in spl this week
  216. [17:35] <Pocket311> empoleon certainly helps against specs latios
  217. [17:35] <%Heist> lost to 6 sweepers
  218. [17:35] <%Heist> used sunstall in week 2
  219. [17:35] <%Heist> lost to 6 sweepers
  220. [17:35] <yee> lol
  221. [17:35] <Pocket311> did you win Heist??
  222. [17:35] <mw|away> heh
  223. [17:35] <%Delko> empoleon over what?
  224. [17:36] <mw|away> terrakion
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  226. [17:36] <yee> terrakion is most replacable IMO
  227. [17:36] <%Delko> watch out though
  228. [17:36] <yee> we want something that benefits from the rest of the team being hard to set up on
  229. [17:36] <%Heist> no
  230. [17:36] <%Delko> replacing terrakion makes volcarona etc a threat again
  231. [17:36] <yee> yeah so lets see if we can cover that and torn slightly in this slot
  232. [17:37] <Pocket311> i'd say over mandibuzz :X
  233. [17:37] <yee> mandibuzz is like his special mew
  234. [17:37] <Pocket311> empoleon can be his special mew xP
  235. [17:37] <%Delko> without recovery though
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  237. [17:38] <mw|away> if recovery is an issue, rs set is viable
  238. [17:39] <%Delko> meh
  239. [17:39] <yee> he cant put resstalk on this team
  240. [17:39] <yee> even chesto rest is kinda iffy
  241. [17:39] <yee> his walls are not things that just sit there
  242. [17:39] <yee> they prevent set up while they doing it
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  245. [17:41] <%Delko> k, lets look at our suggestions again
  246. [17:42] <%Delko> we have gastrodon > mandibuzz
  247. [17:42] <%Delko> empoleon > mandibuzz
  248. [17:42] <Pocket311> cm viri
  249. [17:42] <Pocket311> with lefties
  250. [17:42] <%Delko> yeah
  251. [17:42] <yee> the problem is gastro and empoleon dont do much outside of countering thingss
  252. [17:42] <%Heist> doesnt gastro > mandibuzz = celebi paradise
  253. [17:42] <%Delko> also wouldn't sacred sword > close combat be better on a defensive cobalion
  254. [17:42] <yee> yeah it does
  255. [17:43] <yee> hmm
  256. [17:43] <%Delko> aint a good gliscor check with a def drop
  257. [17:43] <yee> idk katakiri knows the set well
  258. [17:43] <Pocket311> cobalion also needs all the power it could get
  259. [17:43] <Pocket311> since its atk is medicore
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  261. [17:43] <%Delko> x-scissor > earthquake on terrakion covers the celebi paradis
  262. [17:44] <%Heist> gastro lets too much stuff setup
  263. [17:44] <%Delko> toxic it
  264. 01[17:45] <ShakeItUp> well delko
  265. 01[17:45] <ShakeItUp> Earthquake: 192-228 (49.74 - 59.06%)
  266. 01[17:45] <ShakeItUp> on -1 cobalion from gliscor
  267. [17:45] <%Delko> and empoleon > mandibuzz
  268. [17:45] <Pocket311> lolz
  269. [17:45] <yee> defensive gliscor isnt really an issue with hp ice viriz in the wings
  270. [17:45] <Pocket311> true
  271. [17:46] <%Delko> if we change it to hp ice, then voltturn is an issue too
  272. [17:46] <yee> nah focus blast does in the 60s to sciz
  273. [17:46] <yee> mandibuzz knocks off their items easily
  274. [17:46] <%Heist> mew can take hpumps
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  276. [17:46] <%Heist> ttar is faster than sciz right
  277. 01[17:47] <ShakeItUp> yeah
  278. [17:47] <%Delko> aight
  279. [17:47] <%Delko> so calm mind virizion
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  281. [17:47] <%Delko> keep the mandibuzz?
  282. 03[17:47] * Metalman (Metalman@the.king.of.heavy.metal) has left #ratemyteam
  283. [17:47] <Pocket311> yea
  284. 01[17:47] <ShakeItUp> mhm.
  285. [17:47] <%Delko> looks like a cool poke though
  286. 02[17:48] * Rewer (~Rewer@A0613448.4D6B58A3.5AED5223.IP) Quit (Ping timeout)
  287. [17:48] <Pocket311> the only problematic man atm is raikou, but that's a rare threat
  288. [17:48] <Pocket311> and cm viri may be able to handle it?
  289. [17:48] <Ningildo> RMT cup already happened today?
  290. [17:48] <yee> no
  291. [17:48] <HSA> nop
  292. 01[17:48] <ShakeItUp> i feel like mandibuzz is gonna be hurt by sr so it's walling capabilities will be reduced
  293. [17:48] <Pocket311> and raikou would have little opportunity to set up
  294. 01[17:48] <ShakeItUp> by ive never used it so
  295. 03[17:48] * Rewer (~Rewer@A0613448.4D6B58A3.5AED5223.IP) has joined #ratemyteam
  296. 01[17:48] <ShakeItUp> but*
  297. [17:48] <yee> IMO only terrakion is replacable and we have jirachi, darmanitan, and raikou mainly to cover
  298. [17:49] <yee> jirachi can be covered by tar actually
  299. [17:49] <yee> if its cm
  300. [17:49] <yee> so we can just mess with that set
  301. [17:49] <Pocket311> yea
  302. [17:49] <yee> darmanitan and raikou no
  303. [17:49] <%Delko> idk
  304. [17:49] <yee> but gastrodon doesnt fit @
  305. [17:49] <Pocket311> iron head jirachi can't do shit to cobalion
  306. 01[17:49] <ShakeItUp> do we even have to cover raikou lol
  307. [17:49] <yee> well if he sees one thats bad
  308. 01[17:49] <ShakeItUp> | 91 | Raikou | 4464 | 1.155% | 3671 | 1.138% |
  309. 01[17:49] <ShakeItUp> it's clear that no1 uses it.
  310. [17:49] <Pocket311> raikou don't have much opportunities to set up
  311. [17:49] <%Delko> lol
  312. [17:49] <JackieChun> which is sad
  313. [17:50] <Pocket311> if he plays aggressive
  314. 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> raikou is used less than gallade and ninjask
  315. 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> x.x
  316. [17:50] <JackieChun> :/
  317. [17:50] <yee> yeah lets focus more on darmy/ape
  318. 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> ya
  319. 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> hmm.
  320. [17:50] <yee> raikou is actually good
  321. [17:50] <yee> just not used lol
  322. [17:50] <JackieChun> ^
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  324. [17:50] <%Delko> mew can take a fire blast and retaliate with psychic
  325. [17:51] <%Delko> and mandibuzz can take on ape decently too i imagine
  326. 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> i dont think darmanitan is too much of a problem
  327. 02[17:51] * Raseri (brandenk24@synIRC-1C5677FB.ed.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: )
  328. [17:51] <yee> hmm maybe we should just use a revenge killer for it
  329. 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> almost all of them are choiced
  330. [17:51] <%Delko> indeed
  331. [17:51] <yee> a general revenge kiler
  332. 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> and he can take that easily
  333. [17:51] <%Delko> just let it kill something and die to recoil
  334. 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> cuz he has sr
  335. 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> so cant be that bad.
  336. 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> ape's essentially it.
  337. [17:51] <yee> something like scarfrachi to cover everything and take tornadus once
  338. [17:52] <%Delko> or just scarf tyranitar
  339. [17:52] <%Delko> to bad cobalion doesn't lear sr
  340. [17:52] <yee> scarftar is a bit easy to set up on IMO
  341. 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> hmm
  342. [17:52] <yee> and then we dont have a backup for gyara
  343. 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> actually
  344. 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> sd scizor can rape him
  345. 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> lol
  346. [17:53] <yee> well it can
  347. [17:53] <yee> but has a hard time doing so
  348. [17:53] <%Delko> wow mew does fine against scizor i guess
  349. [17:53] <%Delko> *sd scizor
  350. [17:53] <%Delko> one, moment, brb
  351. 01[17:53] <ShakeItUp> i guess
  352. [17:53] <yee> WoW is going to miss so we need backup of some sort
  353. 01[17:53] <ShakeItUp> most run adamant so i guess itll be fine
  354. 03[17:54] * Texas (Mibbit@synIRC-CC16B287.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #ratemyteam
  355. [17:54] <yee> he can just not let it set up and scarfrachi could be a backup
  356. 01[17:54] <ShakeItUp> tbh he should just replace t-tar with scarfrachi
  357. 01[17:54] <ShakeItUp> its really not that necessary
  358. [17:54] <Pocket311> why scarfrachi?
  359. 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> he needs a revenge killer
  360. 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> he has no priority and the fastest thing on his team only has 346 speed
  361. [17:55] <Pocket311> yea... but jirachi?
  362. 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> jirachi also sets up sr
  363. 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> which means that it can replace t-tar
  364. [17:55] <yee> it shouldnt be setting sr
  365. 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> it takes out scizor
  366. 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> w/ fire punch
  367. 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> and stuff.
  368. [17:55] <yee> it gets ape with zen if it needs to
  369. [17:55] <yee> takes one hurricane when it needs to
  370. 01[17:56] <ShakeItUp> what poke is this going to replace though
  371. 01[17:56] <ShakeItUp> lol
  372. [17:56] <yee> i would put it over terrakion
  373. [17:56] <yee> i dont think the team will get better by replacing any non musketeer
  374. [17:56] <Pocket311> terrakion gives this team the offensive presence, though :d
  375. [17:57] <yee> virizion is threatening if focus blast is hitting
  376. [17:58] <Pocket311> i don't think virizion alone is enough firepower
  377. [17:59] <%Delko> replacing terrakion would make volcarona a threat though
  378. [17:59] <yee> oh yeah i forgot that one
  379. [17:59] <yee> well mandibuzz does ok
  380. [17:59] <Pocket311> we could scarf terrakion
  381. [17:59] <Pocket311> that checks scarf darma
  382. [17:59] <Pocket311> it loses out on swords dance
  383. [18:00] <Pocket311> but scarf terra would do well against offensive teams
  384. [18:00] <Pocket311> it's a decent check to rain and sun, imo
  385. [18:00] <%Delko> well, scarf terrakion can also be set-up fodder
  386. [18:00] <yee> we could just use a faster fire resistant thing if there is one
  387. [18:01] <Pocket311> we need to scarf something to be faster than scarf darma
  388. [18:01] <yee> scarfmence sounds pretty cool here
  389. [18:01] <Pocket311> hmm
  390. [18:01] <yee> checks ape well, teams hard to get SR on
  391. [18:01] <%Delko> i don't like scarfmence without a spinner
  392. 01[18:01] <ShakeItUp> he has no spinner
  393. 01[18:01] <ShakeItUp> and sandstorm will hurt too
  394. 01[18:01] <ShakeItUp> seems not worth it
  395. [18:02] <Pocket311> scarf terra then :0
  396. [18:02] <Pocket311> i think he has a good enough defensive core
  397. [18:02] <Pocket311> to fall back on
  398. [18:02] <%Delko> indeed
  399. 01[18:02] <ShakeItUp> k
  400. 01[18:02] <ShakeItUp> guess that's the best plan.
  401. 02[18:02] * Trollmonchan (~umad@synIRC-F4598153.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: )
  402. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> cc / eq / stone edge / x-scissor im assuming
  403. [18:03] <%Delko> so cm virizion and scarf terrakion
  404. [18:03] <%Delko> sure
  405. [18:03] <yee> id put rock slide over eq
  406. [18:03] <Pocket311> yea
  407. [18:03] <Pocket311> hmm yea
  408. [18:03] <yee> because eq sucks
  409. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> rock slide is dumb though
  410. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> lol
  411. [18:03] <%Delko> scarf terrakion also kills bs tornadus
  412. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> it's an awful move to be locked into
  413. [18:03] <Pocket311> no it isn't
  414. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> it's so weak
  415. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> x.x
  416. [18:03] <Pocket311> stone miss is dumb :p
  417. [18:03] <yee> and rock slide means you dont lose when youre against 98% dragonite
  418. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> u still can lose though
  419. [18:03] <yee> stone edge is about as easy to set up on
  420. 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> u just have a 10% more chance of winning
  421. [18:04] <Pocket311> that's huge!
  422. [18:04] <yee> yeah but stone edge misses that like half the time
  423. [18:04] <%Delko> well i would use eq on terrakion
  424. [18:04] <yee> and eq does almost nothing
  425. [18:04] <%Delko> for the cm jirachi weakness
  426. [18:04] <yee> we could just fix up tar to take that on
  427. [18:04] <Pocket311> true
  428. [18:04] <Pocket311> what move should we give tar?
  429. 01[18:04] <ShakeItUp> or we could not fix up tar and just run eq over a move that doesnt do anything besides have higher accuracy
  430. 01[18:04] <ShakeItUp> o.o
  431. [18:05] <yee> eq doesnt exactly beat cm rachi in rain
  432. [18:05] <Pocket311> does eq even kill jirachi?
  433. [18:05] <%Delko> you forget chance to flinch ;)
  434. [18:05] <Pocket311> close combat hits just as hard imo
  435. 01[18:05] <ShakeItUp> it obv doesnt kill it but it does more damage
  436. [18:05] <%Delko> no it doesn't kill
  437. 01[18:05] <ShakeItUp> and it avoids defense drop
  438. [18:05] <Pocket311> eq is really only for toxicroak
  439. [18:05] <%Delko> yeah but cc gives -1 defenses
  440. [18:05] <Pocket311> well okay
  441. 02[18:06] * D4RR3N_SL33P (Darren@Umad.Brah) Quit (Ping timeout)
  442. [18:06] <yee> hm
  443. [18:06] <yee> eq or rock slide is a preference thing IMO
  444. [18:07] <yee> 90 > 80% is huge but eq does slightly better against rachi and sometimes croak
  445. [18:07] <%Delko> yup
  446. [18:07] <Pocket311> i think his ttar set is fine
  447. [18:07] <Pocket311> he could probably go eq > superpower
  448. [18:07] <%Delko> i was thinking that too
  449. [18:08] <Pocket311> :D
  450. 01[18:08] <ShakeItUp> lol
  451. [18:08] <%Delko> ;)
  452. [18:08] <Pocket311> does he have to kill opposing ttar that bad?
  453. [18:08] <yee> he has ttar so well covered lol
  454. [18:08] <%Delko> he has 3 musketeers that beat ttar
  455. [18:08] <%Delko> and mew
  456. 01[18:08] <ShakeItUp> yeah eq works.
  457. [18:08] <Pocket311> alright
  458. 03[18:09] * Tobes (Mibbit@synIRC-A251D27.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #ratemyteam
  459. 03[18:09] * Porygon2 sets mode: +v Tobes
  460. [18:09] <%Delko> so we have cm virizion > work up virizion
  461. [18:09] <%Delko> and scarf terrakion > sd terrakion
  462. [18:10] <%Delko> and eq > superpower on tyranitar
  463. [18:10] <Pocket311> yea
  464. [18:10] <yee> seems pretty good
  465. 03[18:10] * Steam|Bud_Shootout is now known as Steamroll
  466. 01[18:10] <ShakeItUp> ya.
  467. [18:10] <%Delko> virizion as a sole water resist, i hope that works
  468. [18:11] <%Delko> good, this team is done as well
  469. [18:11] <yee> well he is water weak
  470. [18:11] <yee> but he can check it
  471. [18:11] <yee> mandibuzz lives all kinds of hits for the knock off
  472. [18:11] <%Delko> indeed
  473. [18:11] <yee> is that it for today?
  474. [18:11] <%Delko> yeah, thanks everyone for participating
  475. 01[18:11] <ShakeItUp> kk
  476. 01[18:11] <ShakeItUp> ill go post the log.
  477. [18:11] <%Delko> sorry i was a bit late, but i had a date ;)
  478. [18:12] <yee> lol
  479. [18:12] <%Delko> yeah thanks
  480. [18:12] <yee> it was fun
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