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- [16:51] <%Delko> k, last team
- [16:51] <%Delko> what about this one: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462408
- [16:52] <yee> ok which one?
- 01[16:52] <ShakeItUp> uhh k.
- [16:52] <%Delko> or does anyone have team in mind?
- [16:52] <yee> needs help
- [16:53] <%Delko> what are the problems?
- [16:53] <yee> its just not focused
- [16:54] <yee> i cant tell if its stall, balance, or what
- [16:54] <mw|away> Let's try this one: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462388
- [16:54] <mw|away> let's try this one: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462388
- [16:54] <yee> and sub dd gyara isnt meant for non weather
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- [16:54] <yee> oh ive been wanting to rate that
- 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> lol.
- [16:54] <mw|away> it
- [16:54] <mw|away> is a great dark horse team
- 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> that seems hard
- [16:54] <%Delko> oh nice cobalion
- 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> x.x
- [16:54] <%Delko> sure, let's do that one then
- 01[16:54] <ShakeItUp> k
- [16:55] <%Delko> cool pics though
- [16:55] <mw|away> first he could really use another fighting resist
- [16:55] <%Delko> fist three at least
- [16:56] <yee> brb
- [16:57] <%Delko> agree
- [16:57] <%Delko> something like scarf terrakion can be a bit of a problem
- [16:59] <mw|away> yea ikr, something like sand veil gliscor would be cool as it keeps the offensive momentum up
- [17:00] <%Delko> he also mentions CM jirachi, darmanitan as threats
- [17:01] <%Delko> and i don't think mandibuzz is the best check for life orb starmie
- [17:02] <mw|away> indeed even if it manages to take a hit, it'll go down cauz of the recoil
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- [17:04] <%Delko> alright, so any suggestions?
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- [17:05] <yee> are we planning on keeping the triple musketeer thing?
- [17:05] <%Delko> it's the main idea of his team so that would be best yeah
- [17:05] <yee> alright
- [17:06] <yee> apparently mandibuzz deals with gengar and latios
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- [17:06] <yee> i really want to replace that tbh
- [17:06] <%Delko> also specs politoed
- [17:06] <%Delko> i think a spinner would be nice as well
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- [17:07] <yee> basically what were needing to check these threats and not leave him open is a bulky water
- [17:07] <%Delko> seeing most of his pokes lack recovery
- [17:07] <%Delko> and are weak to all hazards
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- [17:07] <yee> well his team is trying to not give any set up time so i think thats fine
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- [17:07] <%Delko> true, three taunt users
- [17:07] <yee> the worst that could happen is something like tentacruel or forry getting a layer or two on tar or viriz
- [17:07] <%Delko> idk about forry
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- [17:07] <%Delko> he has hp fire
- [17:08] <%Delko> for volturn I imagine
- [17:08] <yee> yeah its just sturdy lol
- [17:08] <yee> yeah thankfully nite is well covered by cobalion
- [17:08] <Pocket311> you guys looking at katakiri's team??
- [17:08] <mw|away> yea
- [17:08] <%Delko> yeah
- [17:08] <Pocket311> thanks!
- [17:08] <%Delko> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462388
- [17:09] <yee> so what is he weak to overall
- [17:09] <yee> the threat list is funny but hard to scan through
- [17:10] <mw|away> scarf terrakion + hazards like delko mentioned earlier
- [17:10] <%Delko> i would definitely say water moves
- [17:10] <Pocket311> yea
- [17:10] <yee> i dont see scarf terrak being any problem
- [17:10] <Pocket311> rain teams may fuck it up
- [17:10] <yee> rock gem would be the only one
- [17:10] <%Delko> especially rain boosted
- [17:10] <yee> but water rain boosted seems much more relevnat
- [17:11] <%Delko> scarf toed with hydro pump in the rain
- [17:11] <yee> hes very sub gyara weak
- [17:11] <Rewer> slowbro > mew?
- [17:11] <%Delko> and a -sdef nature virizion
- [17:11] <yee> i think thats the biggest problem
- [17:11] <Pocket311> slowbro doesn't take rain hits well
- [17:11] <%Delko> indeed
- [17:11] <Rewer> it keeps checking terrakion
- [17:11] <Rewer> and gives a water resist at least
- [17:12] <%Delko> i would again say something like latias
- [17:12] <Pocket311> latias > mew?
- [17:12] <%Delko> i was thinking that yes
- [17:12] <yee> mew is the heavy fighting resist
- [17:12] <yee> he needs one of those
- [17:12] <Pocket311> twash's physically defensive latias is pretty good at tanking physical fighting moves
- [17:13] <%Delko> true
- [17:13] <Rewer> i'm not sure
- [17:13] <yee> then hes really weak to sd terrakion if that sets up
- [17:13] <Rewer> if latias can take on sd terra
- [17:13] <yee> it cant
- [17:13] <Pocket311> yea, it's a little iffy
- [17:14] <Pocket311> roar > calm mind perhaps
- [17:14] <Pocket311> but with calm mind, terra would beat latias
- [17:14] <Pocket311> esp with sand boost
- [17:14] <yee> it beats it with roar too
- [17:15] <Pocket311> yea, it's still tricky
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- [17:15] <Pocket311> and without calm mind
- [17:15] <Pocket311> it
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- [17:15] <Pocket311> is harder to deal with lo starmie in the rain
- [17:15] <%Delko> lets see
- [17:16] <Pocket311> i think virizion needs to have its special defense
- [17:16] <Pocket311> either via going the calm mind route
- [17:16] <yee> well
- [17:16] <yee> cm is so much better than work up
- [17:17] <%Delko> he uses mew to counter: terrakion, haxorus, reuniclus, gyarados, landorus, infernape, salamence, toxicroak, physical virizion, scrafty, mienshao, mamoswine etc
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- [17:17] <yee> i dont see how work up is qc approved
- [17:17] <yee> oh wow for infernape
- [17:17] <Pocket311> wow = will-o-wisp?
- [17:17] <%Delko> well i can work i guess
- [17:17] <%Delko> *it
- [17:17] <yee> no im just amazed
- [17:17] <yee> he needs a better check to it than that
- [17:18] <Pocket311> ah right
- [17:18] <Pocket311> m b
- [17:18] <%Delko> but seeing he already has 2 other close combat users, CM would fit better for this team
- [17:18] <yee> and cm is just beter
- [17:18] <%Delko> since it's bulker and can take water hits better
- [17:18] <%Delko> *bulkier
- [17:18] <Pocket311> yea when it comes to dealing with rain threats
- [17:18] <yee> so cm viriz as the first change
- [17:19] <%Delko> man, he uses mandibuzz to counter a lot of pokemon
- [17:19] <%Delko> must try that out sometime
- [17:20] <%Delko> he mentions a problem to choice scarf darmanitan
- [17:20] <yee> a gastrodon or a swampert would help him so much over mandibuzz defensively
- [17:20] <%Delko> aint to much that can check that though
- [17:20] <yee> but im not sure they fit in well
- [17:20] <yee> they cover jirachi and aura sphere raikou too
- [17:20] <yee> oh and check infernape
- [17:21] <%Delko> yeah, that's actually a good suggestion
- [17:21] <%Delko> gastrodon > mandibuzz
- [17:21] <Pocket311> hmm nice :d
- [17:21] <%Delko> also fixes his problem to cm jirachi
- [17:21] <yee> oh wait
- [17:21] <yee> np celebi is a problem
- [17:22] <%Delko> alright
- [17:22] <%Delko> what about x-scissor > earthquake on terrakion then?
- [17:22] <mw|away> so is venasaur in sun
- [17:23] <yee> oh yeah forgot he was using that 3rd slot
- [17:23] <Pocket311> can we take out one of the musketeers if need be?
- [17:23] <yee> i dont think we have to
- [17:23] <yee> they all contribute a lot
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- [17:23] <%Delko> lets keep his theme
- [17:23] <Pocket311> i think virizion is somewhat dispensable
- [17:23] <Pocket311> ok
- [17:23] <Metalman> hey
- [17:23] <%Delko> only when really needed
- [17:25] <%Delko> any other weakness?
- [17:25] <Pocket311> i think infernape is well-covered
- [17:25] <Pocket311> between mandibuzz and mew
- [17:25] <Pocket311> mandibuzz doesn't take much from lo fb
- [17:25] <Pocket311> and not many infernape uses nasty plot anymore
- [17:25] <Pocket311> most of them prefer to scout
- [17:26] <%Delko> his musketeers can always speed tie though
- [17:26] <yee> oh yeah mandibuzz does ok without rocks
- [17:26] <Pocket311> 33-39%
- [17:26] <Pocket311> LO FB
- [17:26] <Pocket311> actually
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- [17:27] <Pocket311> 42-49% if full SpA invested instead of Atk
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- [17:27] <%Delko> so were keeping mandibuzz
- [17:28] <%Delko> *we're
- [17:28] <%Delko> or replace it with gastrodon
- [17:28] <yee> im not sure
- [17:28] <yee> gastrodon gives the opponent time to set up
- [17:29] <yee> im not convinced he needs any member changes
- [17:29] <yee> if anything id probably put something like a mence or gyara over terrakion
- [17:29] <yee> to give him a better darmanitan resist
- [17:29] <%Delko> he's still kinda water weak
- [17:29] <yee> actually sub cm rachi is even more annoying that way
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- [17:30] <yee> yeah if we can fix the water weak it would be better
- [17:30] <mw|away> but we need to replace one of the musketeers to do that
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- [17:30] <yee> yeah but i dont know if we can improve the team without doing that
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- [17:31] <%Delko> what do you want to put in then over one of the musketeers
- [17:31] <Pocket311> we can just go with cm virizion to improve his rain weak
- [17:31] <yee> yeah i thought we agreed on cm viriz
- [17:31] <bkc> tbh that'd just open him up more to tornadus
- [17:31] <mw|away> ^
- [17:32] <yee> and some kind of water resistant thing over terrakion
- [17:32] <Pocket311> his virizion doesn't do shit to tornadus
- [17:32] <yee> what would open him up to torn?
- [17:32] <bkc> viri
- [17:32] <yee> making virizion cm?
- [17:32] <%Delko> every team is tornadus weak
- [17:32] <yee> in what way does havign a work up viriz help?
- [17:32] <Pocket311> it has hp fire
- [17:32] <Pocket311> not stone edge
- [17:32] <bkc> o i just meant having virizion in general
- [17:33] <Pocket311> yea
- [17:33] <bkc> it sounds weird but empoleon might work...resists rain and checks tornadus
- [17:33] <yee> well hed have to go defensive
- [17:33] <yee> and he already has tar for rocks
- [17:33] <yee> maybe something with roar could possibly do something
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- [17:33] <%Delko> he already has roar on cobalion
- [17:34] <yee> come to think of it id like better torn coverage
- [17:34] <yee> yeah and whirlwind on mandibuzz
- [17:34] <%Heist> just use 6 sweepers
- [17:34] <%Heist> thats the way to win in bw
- [17:34] <Pocket311> haha :P
- [17:35] <yee> nah its using sableye
- [17:35] <Pocket311> that's not true, Heist
- [17:35] <yee> and sun stall
- [17:35] <%Heist> funny that
- [17:35] <%Heist> i used sableye in spl this week
- [17:35] <Pocket311> empoleon certainly helps against specs latios
- [17:35] <%Heist> lost to 6 sweepers
- [17:35] <%Heist> used sunstall in week 2
- [17:35] <%Heist> lost to 6 sweepers
- [17:35] <yee> lol
- [17:35] <Pocket311> did you win Heist??
- [17:35] <mw|away> heh
- [17:35] <%Delko> empoleon over what?
- [17:36] <mw|away> terrakion
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- [17:36] <yee> terrakion is most replacable IMO
- [17:36] <%Delko> watch out though
- [17:36] <yee> we want something that benefits from the rest of the team being hard to set up on
- [17:36] <%Heist> no
- [17:36] <%Delko> replacing terrakion makes volcarona etc a threat again
- [17:36] <yee> yeah so lets see if we can cover that and torn slightly in this slot
- [17:37] <Pocket311> i'd say over mandibuzz :X
- [17:37] <yee> mandibuzz is like his special mew
- [17:37] <Pocket311> empoleon can be his special mew xP
- [17:37] <%Delko> without recovery though
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- [17:38] <mw|away> if recovery is an issue, rs set is viable
- [17:39] <%Delko> meh
- [17:39] <yee> he cant put resstalk on this team
- [17:39] <yee> even chesto rest is kinda iffy
- [17:39] <yee> his walls are not things that just sit there
- [17:39] <yee> they prevent set up while they doing it
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- [17:41] <%Delko> k, lets look at our suggestions again
- [17:42] <%Delko> we have gastrodon > mandibuzz
- [17:42] <%Delko> empoleon > mandibuzz
- [17:42] <Pocket311> cm viri
- [17:42] <Pocket311> with lefties
- [17:42] <%Delko> yeah
- [17:42] <yee> the problem is gastro and empoleon dont do much outside of countering thingss
- [17:42] <%Heist> doesnt gastro > mandibuzz = celebi paradise
- [17:42] <%Delko> also wouldn't sacred sword > close combat be better on a defensive cobalion
- [17:42] <yee> yeah it does
- [17:43] <yee> hmm
- [17:43] <%Delko> aint a good gliscor check with a def drop
- [17:43] <yee> idk katakiri knows the set well
- [17:43] <Pocket311> cobalion also needs all the power it could get
- [17:43] <Pocket311> since its atk is medicore
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- [17:43] <%Delko> x-scissor > earthquake on terrakion covers the celebi paradis
- [17:44] <%Heist> gastro lets too much stuff setup
- [17:44] <%Delko> toxic it
- 01[17:45] <ShakeItUp> well delko
- 01[17:45] <ShakeItUp> Earthquake: 192-228 (49.74 - 59.06%)
- 01[17:45] <ShakeItUp> on -1 cobalion from gliscor
- [17:45] <%Delko> and empoleon > mandibuzz
- [17:45] <Pocket311> lolz
- [17:45] <yee> defensive gliscor isnt really an issue with hp ice viriz in the wings
- [17:45] <Pocket311> true
- [17:46] <%Delko> if we change it to hp ice, then voltturn is an issue too
- [17:46] <yee> nah focus blast does in the 60s to sciz
- [17:46] <yee> mandibuzz knocks off their items easily
- [17:46] <%Heist> mew can take hpumps
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- [17:46] <%Heist> ttar is faster than sciz right
- 01[17:47] <ShakeItUp> yeah
- [17:47] <%Delko> aight
- [17:47] <%Delko> so calm mind virizion
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- [17:47] <%Delko> keep the mandibuzz?
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- [17:47] <Pocket311> yea
- 01[17:47] <ShakeItUp> mhm.
- [17:47] <%Delko> looks like a cool poke though
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- [17:48] <Pocket311> the only problematic man atm is raikou, but that's a rare threat
- [17:48] <Pocket311> and cm viri may be able to handle it?
- [17:48] <Ningildo> RMT cup already happened today?
- [17:48] <yee> no
- [17:48] <HSA> nop
- 01[17:48] <ShakeItUp> i feel like mandibuzz is gonna be hurt by sr so it's walling capabilities will be reduced
- [17:48] <Pocket311> and raikou would have little opportunity to set up
- 01[17:48] <ShakeItUp> by ive never used it so
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- 01[17:48] <ShakeItUp> but*
- [17:48] <yee> IMO only terrakion is replacable and we have jirachi, darmanitan, and raikou mainly to cover
- [17:49] <yee> jirachi can be covered by tar actually
- [17:49] <yee> if its cm
- [17:49] <yee> so we can just mess with that set
- [17:49] <Pocket311> yea
- [17:49] <yee> darmanitan and raikou no
- [17:49] <%Delko> idk
- [17:49] <yee> but gastrodon doesnt fit @
- [17:49] <Pocket311> iron head jirachi can't do shit to cobalion
- 01[17:49] <ShakeItUp> do we even have to cover raikou lol
- [17:49] <yee> well if he sees one thats bad
- 01[17:49] <ShakeItUp> | 91 | Raikou | 4464 | 1.155% | 3671 | 1.138% |
- 01[17:49] <ShakeItUp> it's clear that no1 uses it.
- [17:49] <Pocket311> raikou don't have much opportunities to set up
- [17:49] <%Delko> lol
- [17:49] <JackieChun> which is sad
- [17:50] <Pocket311> if he plays aggressive
- 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> raikou is used less than gallade and ninjask
- 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> x.x
- [17:50] <JackieChun> :/
- [17:50] <yee> yeah lets focus more on darmy/ape
- 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> ya
- 01[17:50] <ShakeItUp> hmm.
- [17:50] <yee> raikou is actually good
- [17:50] <yee> just not used lol
- [17:50] <JackieChun> ^
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- [17:50] <%Delko> mew can take a fire blast and retaliate with psychic
- [17:51] <%Delko> and mandibuzz can take on ape decently too i imagine
- 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> i dont think darmanitan is too much of a problem
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- [17:51] <yee> hmm maybe we should just use a revenge killer for it
- 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> almost all of them are choiced
- [17:51] <%Delko> indeed
- [17:51] <yee> a general revenge kiler
- 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> and he can take that easily
- [17:51] <%Delko> just let it kill something and die to recoil
- 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> cuz he has sr
- 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> so cant be that bad.
- 01[17:51] <ShakeItUp> ape's essentially it.
- [17:51] <yee> something like scarfrachi to cover everything and take tornadus once
- [17:52] <%Delko> or just scarf tyranitar
- [17:52] <%Delko> to bad cobalion doesn't lear sr
- [17:52] <yee> scarftar is a bit easy to set up on IMO
- 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> hmm
- [17:52] <yee> and then we dont have a backup for gyara
- 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> actually
- 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> sd scizor can rape him
- 01[17:52] <ShakeItUp> lol
- [17:53] <yee> well it can
- [17:53] <yee> but has a hard time doing so
- [17:53] <%Delko> wow mew does fine against scizor i guess
- [17:53] <%Delko> *sd scizor
- [17:53] <%Delko> one, moment, brb
- 01[17:53] <ShakeItUp> i guess
- [17:53] <yee> WoW is going to miss so we need backup of some sort
- 01[17:53] <ShakeItUp> most run adamant so i guess itll be fine
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- [17:54] <yee> he can just not let it set up and scarfrachi could be a backup
- 01[17:54] <ShakeItUp> tbh he should just replace t-tar with scarfrachi
- 01[17:54] <ShakeItUp> its really not that necessary
- [17:54] <Pocket311> why scarfrachi?
- 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> he needs a revenge killer
- 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> he has no priority and the fastest thing on his team only has 346 speed
- [17:55] <Pocket311> yea... but jirachi?
- 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> jirachi also sets up sr
- 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> which means that it can replace t-tar
- [17:55] <yee> it shouldnt be setting sr
- 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> it takes out scizor
- 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> w/ fire punch
- 01[17:55] <ShakeItUp> and stuff.
- [17:55] <yee> it gets ape with zen if it needs to
- [17:55] <yee> takes one hurricane when it needs to
- 01[17:56] <ShakeItUp> what poke is this going to replace though
- 01[17:56] <ShakeItUp> lol
- [17:56] <yee> i would put it over terrakion
- [17:56] <yee> i dont think the team will get better by replacing any non musketeer
- [17:56] <Pocket311> terrakion gives this team the offensive presence, though :d
- [17:57] <yee> virizion is threatening if focus blast is hitting
- [17:58] <Pocket311> i don't think virizion alone is enough firepower
- [17:59] <%Delko> replacing terrakion would make volcarona a threat though
- [17:59] <yee> oh yeah i forgot that one
- [17:59] <yee> well mandibuzz does ok
- [17:59] <Pocket311> we could scarf terrakion
- [17:59] <Pocket311> that checks scarf darma
- [17:59] <Pocket311> it loses out on swords dance
- [18:00] <Pocket311> but scarf terra would do well against offensive teams
- [18:00] <Pocket311> it's a decent check to rain and sun, imo
- [18:00] <%Delko> well, scarf terrakion can also be set-up fodder
- [18:00] <yee> we could just use a faster fire resistant thing if there is one
- [18:01] <Pocket311> we need to scarf something to be faster than scarf darma
- [18:01] <yee> scarfmence sounds pretty cool here
- [18:01] <Pocket311> hmm
- [18:01] <yee> checks ape well, teams hard to get SR on
- [18:01] <%Delko> i don't like scarfmence without a spinner
- 01[18:01] <ShakeItUp> he has no spinner
- 01[18:01] <ShakeItUp> and sandstorm will hurt too
- 01[18:01] <ShakeItUp> seems not worth it
- [18:02] <Pocket311> scarf terra then :0
- [18:02] <Pocket311> i think he has a good enough defensive core
- [18:02] <Pocket311> to fall back on
- [18:02] <%Delko> indeed
- 01[18:02] <ShakeItUp> k
- 01[18:02] <ShakeItUp> guess that's the best plan.
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- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> cc / eq / stone edge / x-scissor im assuming
- [18:03] <%Delko> so cm virizion and scarf terrakion
- [18:03] <%Delko> sure
- [18:03] <yee> id put rock slide over eq
- [18:03] <Pocket311> yea
- [18:03] <Pocket311> hmm yea
- [18:03] <yee> because eq sucks
- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> rock slide is dumb though
- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> lol
- [18:03] <%Delko> scarf terrakion also kills bs tornadus
- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> it's an awful move to be locked into
- [18:03] <Pocket311> no it isn't
- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> it's so weak
- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> x.x
- [18:03] <Pocket311> stone miss is dumb :p
- [18:03] <yee> and rock slide means you dont lose when youre against 98% dragonite
- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> u still can lose though
- [18:03] <yee> stone edge is about as easy to set up on
- 01[18:03] <ShakeItUp> u just have a 10% more chance of winning
- [18:04] <Pocket311> that's huge!
- [18:04] <yee> yeah but stone edge misses that like half the time
- [18:04] <%Delko> well i would use eq on terrakion
- [18:04] <yee> and eq does almost nothing
- [18:04] <%Delko> for the cm jirachi weakness
- [18:04] <yee> we could just fix up tar to take that on
- [18:04] <Pocket311> true
- [18:04] <Pocket311> what move should we give tar?
- 01[18:04] <ShakeItUp> or we could not fix up tar and just run eq over a move that doesnt do anything besides have higher accuracy
- 01[18:04] <ShakeItUp> o.o
- [18:05] <yee> eq doesnt exactly beat cm rachi in rain
- [18:05] <Pocket311> does eq even kill jirachi?
- [18:05] <%Delko> you forget chance to flinch ;)
- [18:05] <Pocket311> close combat hits just as hard imo
- 01[18:05] <ShakeItUp> it obv doesnt kill it but it does more damage
- [18:05] <%Delko> no it doesn't kill
- 01[18:05] <ShakeItUp> and it avoids defense drop
- [18:05] <Pocket311> eq is really only for toxicroak
- [18:05] <%Delko> yeah but cc gives -1 defenses
- [18:05] <Pocket311> well okay
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- [18:06] <yee> hm
- [18:06] <yee> eq or rock slide is a preference thing IMO
- [18:07] <yee> 90 > 80% is huge but eq does slightly better against rachi and sometimes croak
- [18:07] <%Delko> yup
- [18:07] <Pocket311> i think his ttar set is fine
- [18:07] <Pocket311> he could probably go eq > superpower
- [18:07] <%Delko> i was thinking that too
- [18:08] <Pocket311> :D
- 01[18:08] <ShakeItUp> lol
- [18:08] <%Delko> ;)
- [18:08] <Pocket311> does he have to kill opposing ttar that bad?
- [18:08] <yee> he has ttar so well covered lol
- [18:08] <%Delko> he has 3 musketeers that beat ttar
- [18:08] <%Delko> and mew
- 01[18:08] <ShakeItUp> yeah eq works.
- [18:08] <Pocket311> alright
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- [18:09] <%Delko> so we have cm virizion > work up virizion
- [18:09] <%Delko> and scarf terrakion > sd terrakion
- [18:10] <%Delko> and eq > superpower on tyranitar
- [18:10] <Pocket311> yea
- [18:10] <yee> seems pretty good
- 03[18:10] * Steam|Bud_Shootout is now known as Steamroll
- 01[18:10] <ShakeItUp> ya.
- [18:10] <%Delko> virizion as a sole water resist, i hope that works
- [18:11] <%Delko> good, this team is done as well
- [18:11] <yee> well he is water weak
- [18:11] <yee> but he can check it
- [18:11] <yee> mandibuzz lives all kinds of hits for the knock off
- [18:11] <%Delko> indeed
- [18:11] <yee> is that it for today?
- [18:11] <%Delko> yeah, thanks everyone for participating
- 01[18:11] <ShakeItUp> kk
- 01[18:11] <ShakeItUp> ill go post the log.
- [18:11] <%Delko> sorry i was a bit late, but i had a date ;)
- [18:12] <yee> lol
- [18:12] <%Delko> yeah thanks
- [18:12] <yee> it was fun
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