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derivations: and there's no
derivations: compelling evidence against the idea
derivations: it's just got tons of supporting info
Hiro97: true, but you don't need to only learn science. you need to learn how to write etc. and it is science and makes sense but it is still a theory
derivations: the fact that it conflicts with religious views is what makes it seem not to be a fact, but it has as much evidence as black holes
#SpaceBass: Hiro97: why is that SpaceBass?
Hiro97: and the fact of the matter is that lots of scientists actually don't support it derivations
#SpaceBass: When I was young I was on track to join the actual arsenal team, and after that I was a realy good competiton swimmer
#SpaceBass: But I quit both
Hiro97: why?
#SpaceBass: Because I was so burned out after days of school
Hiro97: for school?
#SpaceBass: Learning shit I have no use for
Hiro97: ah
#SpaceBass: That I was too tired
#SpaceBass: Because of school, I didn't get to do what I wanted to with my life
#SpaceBass: School is a giant waste of time for 90% of students
Hiro97: you mean like arsenal, football?
#SpaceBass: Yeah
Hiro97: daaaaamn
#SpaceBass: I played for the arsenal kids club thing for like 10 years
+Dawg: spacebass
+Dawg: when you come to aus
+Dawg: dont buy crown lager
+Dawg: tastes bad
+Dawg: confirming
#SpaceBass: >lager
#SpaceBass: Nah m8
#SpaceBass: But yeah if I'd been allowed to quit school at age like 14
#SpaceBass: I'd have been much better off than I am now
#SpaceBass: I wouldn't have started smoking
#SpaceBass: I'd still be playing sports
doubles▲illuminati: i feel you
doubles▲illuminati: :/
#SpaceBass: But instead I wasted my time learning fucking art and geography
#SpaceBass: Even with music, I've been playing bass for 9 years and love music
#SpaceBass: But if I discovered it earler
#SpaceBass: Instead of going to shit music class
#SpaceBass: And learning about shit
#SpaceBass: I'd have been playing since earlier
#SpaceBass: Music class in school put me off music more than anything
#SpaceBass: >drama class
#SpaceBass: Yeah I have loads of use for that now
#SpaceBass: School is probablt one of the worst things that happened to me purely based on how much of my time it wasted
#SpaceBass: Primary school I understand, you have to learn basic maths and english and stuff
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doubles▲illuminati: yeah
#SpaceBass: But jesus fuck stop making kids take like 12 classes and spend the entire day wasting energy so you can't focus on the things you really want to do
doubles▲illuminati: ^
#SpaceBass: School in england teaches you to smoke, skip class, swear and generally be badly behaved
#SpaceBass: Thats it
Hiro97: I can believe that school is bad for some people
#SpaceBass: Its bad for most people honestly
Hiro97: yeah
#SpaceBass: You ask a kid what he wants to be when he grows up
#SpaceBass: "Rock star / sports star / space man" etc
#SpaceBass: It sounds stupid
#SpaceBass: But if you actually let them fucking try and be what they want to be from a young age
#SpaceBass: Instead of forcing them to learn geography, art, music, drama and all that shit
#SpaceBass: Suddenly they don't seem like such stupid dreams
#SpaceBass: Because when you're a kid, you learn fast
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#SpaceBass: And you spend that time learning stuff that doesn't matter and has no use
Hiro97: einstein had trouble with school
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Hiro97: so you're making sense
#SpaceBass: I'm making sense because I'm speaking from experience
#SpaceBass: School was the biggest waste of time in my entire life
#SpaceBass: From age 5 to 18 I was being forced to learn stuff I've never once used in the real world
#SpaceBass: My teacher used to tell me
#SpaceBass: "You won't have a calculator in your pocket all the time so you better listen"
#SpaceBass: Yes
#SpaceBass: Yes I fucking do
Hiro97: tbh, 90% of what I learned in school, I'm not using now
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Hiro97: I just accepted it, since I had no other choice
#SpaceBass: The only thing I learnt in school that I still use alot today is how to roll a joint
#SpaceBass: Well I stopped smoking but yeah
Hiro97: lol
Hiro97: luckily I never approached these things
#SpaceBass: I wouldn't have
Hiro97: but I have friends who did/do
#SpaceBass: If I'd been allowed to play football and swim instead of going to school
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Hiro97: so if you're thinking of having kids later, are you going to give them home education?
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#SpaceBass: As much as I'd like to, thats also pretty hard
Hiro97: now that I think about it, I don't want my kids to go through this bullshit
#SpaceBass: That would assume people having enough money to both keep kids home all day and not work to look after them
Hiro97: mhm
#SpaceBass: I wouldn't want my kids removed from school, I'd want the school system to change so it actually teaches kids important stuff
#SpaceBass: School never taught me about budgeting or bills
#SpaceBass: Or about actual everyday life
#SpaceBass: It was all about remembering numbers to write on a test
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#SpaceBass: And it was useless
Hiro97: true
#SpaceBass: I have not one single time ever used algebra
Hiro97: maybe our generation needs to change it then
#SpaceBass: Or thought "I wish I listened in maths class"
#SpaceBass: Never
#SpaceBass: In fact my school was so good I wasn't allowed in maths class
Hiro97: ?
+Lolk: why should school teach about paying bills
Ruby D: nah
Ruby D: SpaceBass was so good
#SpaceBass: I got kicked out of maths class by my teacher perma lol
+Lolk: that's like setting kids up
Ruby D: that he was exempt from maths
+Lolk: for mediocrity
#SpaceBass: Lolk
Ruby D: SpaceBass what was your grade in maths
#SpaceBass: School set me up for that
Ruby D: GCSE
#SpaceBass: If I'd quit I'd be playing pro sports
#SpaceBass: Be it swimming or football
#SpaceBass: I think I got D ruby
Ruby D: woah
#SpaceBass: iirc I missed a C by 2 marsk, 3 times
#SpaceBass: marks*
#SpaceBass: But its fine because
+Lolk: r u saying all athletes in the UK
+Lolk: didnt go to school
#SpaceBass: No
Ruby D: what was your result
Ruby D: in GCSE
#SpaceBass: I'm saying that I didn't have the energy
#SpaceBass: To do what I loved
Ruby D: I'm currently doing GCSE
#SpaceBass: Because of school
Ruby D: SpaceBass was iirc in Arsenal's youth
#SpaceBass: And because of school I had to quit
+Lolk: how did the other sportsman have energy
#SpaceBass: idk, maybe not having to travel for an hour and 20 mins to school
Hiro97: we had like a system at our school were top-atlete kids only go 10hours a week to school
#SpaceBass: Then an hour and 20 mins back
#SpaceBass: Then travel to practise
#SpaceBass: Then play football for 2 hours
+Lolk: o shit why did you school so far away
#SpaceBass: Because all the schools where I live are awful
#SpaceBass: And this school had full size sports pitches
#SpaceBass: But shit teachers and lessons
#SpaceBass: I tried as hard as I could to carry on with football
#SpaceBass: But it wasn't viable because school
#SpaceBass: I'm not saying all kids would benefit from not going
#SpaceBass: Just that I would have
#SpaceBass: The point of school is to set you up for life, but it did the opposite for me
#SpaceBass: It made sure I never got to do the things I enjoyed
+Lolk: i disagree
+Lolk: the point of school is to set you up for rich af jobs
Ruby D: ^
#SpaceBass: Oh yeah it did that
#SpaceBass: I'm suuuuuuuper rich
#SpaceBass: And a CEO
+Lolk: and to allow you find out what you want to study more
#SpaceBass: Look at how effecitve it was
#SpaceBass: I knew what I wanted to learn already
#SpaceBass: The day I started
+Lolk: if the point of school was to teach you how to balance a checkbook and pay taxes
+Lolk: literally everyone would be retarded
Hiro97: that's not true Lolk
#SpaceBass: Are you implying that 90% of this country isn't retarded
#SpaceBass: Because they are
Hiro97: my dad had a PhD degree and we are poor af
#SpaceBass: From experience, school is not for everyone
+Lolk: i mean
Hiro97: he can't find a job
Dream Leader Vyl: Degrees mean nothing without personal talent to back it up.
#SpaceBass: I have friends in uni
+Lolk: what was his phd
#SpaceBass: They're in debt
#SpaceBass: They have no jobs
Dream Leader Vyl: One of life's most biggest misconception.
Hiro97: bio engineering
#SpaceBass: I have money
#SpaceBass: They don't
#SpaceBass: Who did school work for
+Lolk: how tf does he not have a job lol
Dream Leader Vyl: I have a diploma in pharmacy, I am a pharmacy technician
#SpaceBass: Because he got a degree that 1000s of other people have
#SpaceBass: There are no jobs
Hiro97: they Always tell him that his degree is too high
Dream Leader Vyl: and I work at a vitamin shope.
Dream Leader Vyl: a damn vitamin shope.
Dream Leader Vyl: Waste of 15,000
Ruby D: ngl
Hiro97: because the higher the degree, the more you have to pay my dad
#SpaceBass: I'm sorry but the education system (at least at working class levels) is flawed
Ruby D: school is an investment
#SpaceBass: And needs fixing
Dream Leader Vyl: I also have a degree in spamming hypnosis and spore.
Dream Leader Vyl: But we'll get to that later.
#SpaceBass: School SHOULD be an investment
#SpaceBass: But its not
Ruby D: it is basically for the rich and middle class
+Lolk: yea i agree
+Lolk: that schools purpose is to push you towards a higher education
#SpaceBass: If you can afford to go to a rich private school
#SpaceBass: You're ok
Ruby D: since you pay really high fees
+Lolk: and not to a working-class life
Dream Leader Vyl: Do something fun like, make Source Film Maker videos and start a patreon.
#SpaceBass: But in public school you learn misbehaviour, drugs and laziness
Dream Leader Vyl: It's the hot profession these days.
+Lolk: and if you just want to work a simple job your whole life
Hiro97: make one Dream Leader Vyl and spam sleep ;)
+Lolk: high school would seem pointless
#SpaceBass: Lolk are you american?
+Lolk: ya
#SpaceBass: Yeah see england is different
#SpaceBass: English schools are the worst place to try learn anythiung
+Lolk: idk about england
Ruby D: idk about others but
+Lolk: but in the us
Ruby D: asian schools
Ruby D: are pretty difficult
Ruby D: ngl
Hiro97: I've heard that you can choose your classes in US?
#SpaceBass: Take it from me, I'd be better off if I'd quit school at 13 and played football full time
+Lolk: private schools are about the same quality as public schools
Hiro97: is that true lolk?
#SpaceBass: Its not like that here
#SpaceBass: Public schools are terrible
+Lolk: ya hiro
Hiro97: see that's cool
Hiro97: here we don't have that
#SpaceBass: When we get to year 10 we can drop some subjects
#SpaceBass: But not before spending 3 years learning the ones we drop
+Lolk: the only reason ppl pay for private school here
#SpaceBass: What a waste of time
+Lolk: is so they can be surrounded by other rich kids
+Lolk: and avoid "hoodlums"
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#SpaceBass: You spend 3 years learning something you know you're dropping in 3 years anyway
#SpaceBass: Whats the point
#SpaceBass: Thats a shit system
+Lolk: but like
+Lolk: my public school beat the local private school
+Lolk: in like every academic competition
+Lolk: it was p funny
Dream Leader Vyl: Every kid just need emotional support. My mother always told me "As long as you pass, I don't care"
Dream Leader Vyl: and you know, I didn't care/
Dream Leader Vyl: D's for days :p
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Dream Leader Vyl: Taking the GED is far easier than most people realize. Get that, skip the pointless 4 years of highschool
Dream Leader Vyl: Start doing what you love at least 2 years ahead of everyone else.
+Lolk: i mean a lot of the purpose of high school
#SpaceBass: We have GCSEs here as the "you need these or you won't get a job" qualification
#SpaceBass: Most people have 6 or 7
+Lolk: is so you grow socially
#SpaceBass: I have 14
#SpaceBass: And they're USELESS
+Lolk: and learn to manage your own schedule
#SpaceBass: We spend our entire childhood being told "if you don't have GCSEs you won't be able to work"
#SpaceBass: lol
Dream Leader Vyl: @Lolk you're saying that in a age where most people are constantly looking at their phones?
+Lolk: which a lot of ppl surprisingly suck at
#SpaceBass: Good lie
Dream Leader Vyl: This isn't the 90s when I grew up
Dream Leader Vyl: Children are on computers at like
Dream Leader Vyl: age 3
#SpaceBass: ^
Dream Leader Vyl: I didn't even know what comptuers were until
Dream Leader Vyl: I was nearly an adult
#SpaceBass: School is outdated, I can look up anything they're going to teach me when and if I need it
+Lolk: lol almost all homeschooled children
+Lolk: are pretty socially awkward
#SpaceBass: Or my school computer class
Dream Leader Vyl: Much of my studying was done on youtube. No joke! Search anything for pharmacy technician on youtube
#SpaceBass: Look at all the powerpoint we use
Dream Leader Vyl: it's right there, literally.
#SpaceBass: Look at how helpful it was
#SpaceBass: Coding is the thing now but back then teachers said it wouldn't matter
#SpaceBass: And that we didn't need to learn something thats barely used
+Lolk: also Dream Leader Vyl
Dream Leader Vyl: You can be homeschooled Lolk, but that doesn't mean you have to be sheltered
#SpaceBass: Fuck schol
Dream Leader Vyl: there is a big difference.
#SpaceBass: school
#SpaceBass: lol
+Lolk: id dont see how ppl always on their phones
+Lolk: counters my point
#SpaceBass: Because the school system no longer works
#SpaceBass: It doesnt cater to this generation
Dream Leader Vyl: Being social is becoming much less of a thing when people can simply drown themselves in their fantasies online
Dream Leader Vyl: I'd wager most people in public are complete phonies
+Lolk: i mean that's only us
#SpaceBass: They need to accept that all the worlds knowledge is now in the pocket of every child with a phone
+Lolk: most people dont invest their lives in online communities lol
Dream Leader Vyl: basically what Space says.
Dream Leader Vyl: Lolk
Dream Leader Vyl: you know
#SpaceBass: School as it stands is outdated and needs to be changed
Dream Leader Vyl: they do
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Dream Leader Vyl: its called twitter and facebook
#SpaceBass: lol
Dream Leader Vyl: its really an epedemic
+Lolk: lol
#SpaceBass: Social media is dangerous
+Lolk: if that was tru
+Lolk: we wouldnt have received any doctors, etc.
+Lolk: the past 7 years
+Lolk: if anything
Dream Leader Vyl: It is true, it's not true for parts of the world, of course, but you have to acknowledge that even as I work
Dream Leader Vyl: people are on their phones during work hours
#SpaceBass: Lolk my doctor googles stuff
+Lolk: it just filters out the weak-minded
#SpaceBass: In the room
Dream Leader Vyl: And no one gives two poops
#SpaceBass: With me looking
+Lolk: there's nothing wrong with checking yourself
Dream Leader Vyl: We as vitamin clerks google stuff when customers ask questions we don't know the answer to
+Lolk: would you prefer your doctor didnt go to school
Dream Leader Vyl: It's a thing
+Lolk: and just googled everything lol
#SpaceBass: He does
Dream Leader Vyl: I get what you're saying Lolk
#SpaceBass: He googles everything
#SpaceBass: Its unnerving
Dream Leader Vyl: Certain profession NEED hands on experience. Is why I said earlier that a degree means NOTHIGN
Dream Leader Vyl: if you don't have the talent to back it up.
Dream Leader Vyl: nothing~
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+Lolk: again there's nothing wrong with checking yourself
+Lolk: and i agree
#SpaceBass: School is important but they teach the wrong stuff
+Lolk: but i bet $
#SpaceBass: Times have changed and schools haven't
+Lolk: that ppl wouldnt survive med school
+Lolk: or other professional schools
Dream Leader Vyl: Art, programming, web design, inventing.
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Dream Leader Vyl: Gardening, cooking
+Lolk: if they didnt have high school
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Dream Leader Vyl: many profession can be mastered sitting on your butt
+Lolk: to introduce the basics
#SpaceBass: My main point is I knew from day 1 I never needed art or drama class
+Lolk: and teach them how to study/work/etc
#SpaceBass: I could have saved 4 hours a week to do the things I still enjoy today
#SpaceBass: And be miles better at them
Dream Leader Vyl: @Space amen
#SpaceBass: Its not about cutting core subjects
#SpaceBass: Its about identifying kids are different
Dream Leader Vyl: Lolk, depends on your living situation, for many they have support up the butt, they get ahead
#SpaceBass: And allowing them freedom
#SpaceBass: I never used art or drama or music class
Dream Leader Vyl: Drama class helps heaps
Dream Leader Vyl: what you talking about
+Lolk: i know plenty of successful adults
Dream Leader Vyl: ;p you have to learn acting
#SpaceBass: I learnt more about music in 1 afternoon with drugs and the internet than I did in 5 years of school
Dream Leader Vyl: one does not simply
+Lolk: who started poor
Dream Leader Vyl: act
+Lolk: it's all about motivation
+Lolk: and SpaceBass i'd argue that fine arts taught me more than my core classes
Dream Leader Vyl: motivation comes with emotional support
+Lolk: but i dont really want to get into that
Dream Leader Vyl: without that, its hard to stay motivated
Dream Leader Vyl: anyone that says otheriwse
Dream Leader Vyl: iwse
#SpaceBass: How old are you lolk if you don't mind me asking
Dream Leader Vyl: wise........is likely lying
+Lolk: like there's a direct correlation in my school
+Lolk: between ppl in band/choir/orchestra
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+Lolk: and like considerably better grades
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+Lolk: 20
Dream Leader Vyl: I played the piccolo in music class
#SpaceBass: ah not too much younger than me
Dream Leader Vyl: ;p I'm quite the musical dweeb
#SpaceBass: But I'm arguing england stuff here
#SpaceBass: It diff from US
+Lolk: yea idk uk
+Lolk: so this whole argument
+Lolk: could have been pointless lol
#SpaceBass: More a discussion lol
+Lolk: argument = discussion
#SpaceBass: I'm just saying that in my case
+Lolk: in an academic since
+Lolk: just
#SpaceBass: School was a waste
+Lolk: move to the US :D
#SpaceBass: I want to
Dream Leader Vyl: I never been to the UK so I can't speak for everyone. But I took the GED late and I was pretty salty I did.
Dream Leader Vyl: really salty
+Lolk: and raise your kids there
Dream Leader Vyl: like....... missing 95% moves then losing salty
Dream Leader Vyl: During my schooling, one thing was always going through my mind
Dream Leader Vyl: "Why do people have to pay to learn medicine?"
Dream Leader Vyl: Should places WANT more medics, more pharmacist, more doctors?
Dream Leader Vyl: Why would any place try to hinder that by making people pay
#SpaceBass: The way it works here is:
#SpaceBass: Primary school you're told "you have to prepare for the SATs, if you don't do well you won't get into a good secondary school"
#SpaceBass: Secondary school: You have to get good GCSE results or you won't go to a good college"
#SpaceBass: College: Gotta do well on your A levels or you won't get into a good uni"
#SpaceBass: Uni: lol you're poor as fuck, in debt and now you have the same bit of paper as 1000s of other people
#SpaceBass: Heres an entry level job
#SpaceBass: Thats UK education
#SpaceBass: And its why I'm better off than my friends who went to uni
Dream Leader Vyl: @Space, I cried reading that
Dream Leader Vyl: lmao
#SpaceBass: I have more money and more time than anyone I know who went to uni
#SpaceBass: Its a waste of fucking time
#SpaceBass: I've never been asked for my qualifications for a job
Dream Leader Vyl: You have to pick your battles Space, there are many jobs you can't simply know everything and expect to get ahead, but yeah
#SpaceBass: Its a joke
Dream Leader Vyl: pretty much.
Dream Leader Vyl: IN dept for no reason hahaha
#SpaceBass: If you want to do something
#SpaceBass: Then uni is a good idea
#SpaceBass: I'm not saying don't go
#SpaceBass: I'm saying that not everyone needs it
Dream Leader Vyl: ^
#SpaceBass: And that people need to realise that with school
#SpaceBass: It doesn't work for all people and done wrong it can ruin someones life more than it helps
Dream Leader Vyl: It's to who you know. I've seen many crappy workers get promoted at my job because of being buddies with my store manager
+Lolk: i mean in your case
+Lolk: id say choosing to go to a school 1.5 hours away ruined your life
+Lolk: more than school itself
#SpaceBass: If I'd gone to a school where I live I'd have gotten stabbed or on worse drugs than weed
+Lolk: i doubt that
#SpaceBass: When I have the choice between a school in a nice area with sports equipment
+Lolk: but you would have 3 extra hours a day
+Lolk: for sports
#SpaceBass: And a school neat my hour where a teacher got stabbed
+Lolk: if that's what you wanted to do
#SpaceBass: I'm choosing the school with better results / no stabbings
+Lolk: you'd learn street smarts in that school as well :D
#SpaceBass: The schools in my area teach you how to be a little hoodrat shit head
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+Lolk: like how to fight with a knife
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#SpaceBass: I got street smarts lol
#SpaceBass: As much as I hate that term
#SpaceBass: Also
#SpaceBass: It wasn't about a journey
#SpaceBass: I have mad ADHD and tbh being around people drains energy
+Lolk: i hate ppl as well
#SpaceBass: The strain of having to pretend I cared about school
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#SpaceBass: Left me too tired to do what I wanted
#SpaceBass: I should have been working out and playing sports
#SpaceBass: But instead I was in a classroom
#SpaceBass: Learning about boring shit
#SpaceBass: That I haven't once used
#SpaceBass: irl
+Lolk: i honestly think your scenario
+Lolk: doesnt apply to many more ppl
#SpaceBass: It doesnt have the chance too
+Lolk: enough to say that secondary school doesnt matter
#SpaceBass: I'm not saying it doesn't matter
+Lolk: for some
#SpaceBass: I'm saying the system is wrong
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#SpaceBass: Its done wrong
#SpaceBass: Its not effectiver
+Lolk: what could they do to make it better
#SpaceBass: School is important
#SpaceBass: But what they teach in school these days is not
Dream Leader Vyl: Think about it this way. School is a bit like video games. You cannot cater to simply one group(s) of people. If you teach everyone a little bit of everything then everyone gets equal amounts of academics from their school.
#SpaceBass: First thing: stop blaming the fucking teachers for failures
Dream Leader Vyl: It may not apply to you personally allot, but everyone needs to get something.
+Lolk: u r from the uk as well Dream Leader Vyl?
#SpaceBass: If a kid plays up, bring back the fucking cane
Dream Leader Vyl: Dominican republic
+Lolk: do they really not let you pick classes
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#SpaceBass: When you start school, you should be asked, what do you want to do with your life
+Lolk: do they let you pick classes SpaceBass
Dream Leader Vyl: They do, but, way too early for anyone to give a thoughtful awnser.
#SpaceBass: The school should then try its best to teach you about that thing, plus some other light things like maths / english / science
Dream Leader Vyl: honestly, people get asked that when their like
Dream Leader Vyl: 8 years old :D
#SpaceBass: They let you pick here in year 10 Lolk but
#SpaceBass: It only lets you pick subjects they teach
#SpaceBass: I picked history for one, then got told I'm learning about womens rights and the french revolution
+Lolk: yea i encourage schools to have a fuckton of class options
#SpaceBass: Guess if I ever went back
Dream Leader Vyl: At those ages, everyone is over enthusiastic, no one knows what they want.
Dream Leader Vyl: Well, a rare few.
#SpaceBass: I had no interest in what they wanted to teach me
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#SpaceBass: Kids should be taught what they want to learn
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Dream Leader Vyl: That's a really, err
Dream Leader Vyl: bad idea Space haha.
#SpaceBass: I wanted to learn history, actual music and sports
#SpaceBass: I got nothing
Dream Leader Vyl: Most people just don't know what they want in life, not until at least til they reach high school.
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#SpaceBass: And the ones that do
#SpaceBass: Shouldn't be punished
#SpaceBass: They should be allowed
Dream Leader Vyl: Opinions change. Even if you wanted to be a game designer at 13
Dream Leader Vyl: chances are, you'll be a animator at 21
#SpaceBass: I was the top footballer in the youth school of one of the top football clubs in the world
#SpaceBass: But nah you gotta learn maths
#SpaceBass: And geography
Dream Leader Vyl: lmao
#SpaceBass: Thanks school!
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Dream Leader Vyl: Can't argue with that
+Lolk: i mean i would never encourage someone who wants to be an athlete
+Lolk: to not go to school either
#SpaceBass: I wasn't asking to not go7
Dream Leader Vyl: Well, yeah, Lolk has a point
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#SpaceBass: I was aking to drop classes like geography, art and drama
The_Stigg: does Klutz work on mega stones?
#SpaceBass: So I could have time for something I had talent for
Dream Leader Vyl: No
Dream Leader Vyl: Mega items aren't considered items.
Momo Mentos: SpaceBass what do you have talent for?
The_Stigg: k thanks
#SpaceBass: Used to be football, swimming and running
+Lolk: also if they let you drop those classes
#SpaceBass: Now its bass
+Lolk: and you decided mid school you didnt want to do sports
+Lolk: or maybe you get injured
Dream Leader Vyl: Klutz....on megas, that would be funny.
Dream Leader Vyl: Sit down Mawhile, go back to being PU
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+Lolk: you would be significantly less educated
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#SpaceBass: But Lolk my point is, I remember nothing from any of those classes
#SpaceBass: if I'd quit them and got injured
#SpaceBass: I'd know exactly the same amount
#SpaceBass: I don't do art
#SpaceBass: I don't act
#SpaceBass: They were 100% useless
+Lolk: idk about that
+Lolk: and why tf did you pick acting as your fine art
#SpaceBass: I didn't7
#SpaceBass: I was forced to do art class from year 7 until year 10
#SpaceBass: Like every child in england
Dream Leader Vyl: I think the reason they want athletes to be somewhat smart, lets be real. Is to ensure they have something to fall back on should they go another path if and or are forced to down the road.
#SpaceBass: Athletes are not smart
+Lolk: acting is fuckin dumb
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#SpaceBass: EPL players are fucking retards
The_Stigg: thats a little generalized, dont ya think?
#SpaceBass: They're all stupid fucks with dumb hair that have more money than sense
#SpaceBass: That go over to one weak ass tackle
Dream Leader Vyl: If you got injured and couldn't play Football anymore, but you have a 7th grade education, what are you going to do?
+Lolk: like i encourage everyone to learn an instrument
Dream Leader Vyl: ^ Youtube 15 minutes of fame
+Lolk: cause you become exponentially smarter
Dream Leader Vyl: Please
Dream Leader Vyl: Gimme
+Lolk: in every subject
Dream Leader Vyl: In other words Lolk, something that helps people to relax and focus?
#SpaceBass: Fact is I have no use for anything I learnt in art class
#SpaceBass: I don't draw
#SpaceBass: I don't look at art
Dream Leader Vyl: you don't draw?
Dream Leader Vyl: Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
#SpaceBass: I have no use for ANYTHING I learnt in drama class
#SpaceBass: I don't act
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+Lolk: ya Dream Leader Vyl
Dream Leader Vyl: How dare you say such wicked words
#SpaceBass: It was a waste of time
#SpaceBass: 100%
+Lolk: i bet doing art has similar effects
#SpaceBass: I'd love to draw
#SpaceBass: But I'm shit at it and it doesn't really interest me
Dream Leader Vyl: I don't even hear you right now Space
Dream Leader Vyl: you're talking non sense ;O
#SpaceBass: If I'd spent 3 hours a week I spent in art class, playing football
#SpaceBass: I'd be beter
#SpaceBass: Or playing bass, or even learning something I do care abputy
#SpaceBass: about
#SpaceBass: It was wasted, un used time
#SpaceBass: I slept most of it
#SpaceBass: You're trying to teach kids things they don't care about
+Lolk: i bet you did learn things in art that you dont even realize
#SpaceBass: I bet I didn't lol
+Lolk: like abstract thinking processes
+Lolk: and greater creativity
Dream Leader Vyl: ^ can't argue with that
#SpaceBass: ngl magic mushrooms taught me more about abstact thinking and creativity
Dream Leader Vyl: it really does help you Space
#SpaceBass: Than any art class did
Dream Leader Vyl: This is tough, you're both right ;p
+Lolk: lol maybe
Dream Leader Vyl: Drugs do work
+Lolk: i cant argue with da shrooms
Dream Leader Vyl: yes
#SpaceBass: I think drugs should be taught about properly in school
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Dream Leader Vyl: lmao
#SpaceBass: They're illegal because people made them illegal but how do we know they weren't put here so we can better understand
#SpaceBass: My life would be much worse if I'd never done the drugs I have
#SpaceBass: (Do'nt do drugs)
+Lolk: "this one works best when you shove it up your butthole"
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+Lolk: "let me demonstrate"
#SpaceBass: loooool
Dream Leader Vyl: There are too many political and financial incentives to keep drugs illegal. That won't be happening anytime soon Space.
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#SpaceBass: I know
+Lolk: "ok class we lost funding so everyone share this needle"
#SpaceBass: They encourage free thinking
#SpaceBass: Which is bad
#SpaceBass: School is desinged to discourage free thought
+Lolk: r u kidding Dream Leader Vyl
#SpaceBass: You think what we tell you to
Dream Leader Vyl: Sometimes.
+Lolk: the government would make so much money
Dream Leader Vyl: Exactly
+Lolk: legalizing weed and taxing it
Dream Leader Vyl: Well
Dream Leader Vyl: Both
Dream Leader Vyl: Really
Dream Leader Vyl: it's both
#SpaceBass: Just look up colorado taxes
#SpaceBass: They make bank
Dream Leader Vyl: But that wouldn't be politically correct
+Lolk: also jails would be less populate
+Lolk: d
Dream Leader Vyl: Mind you.
#SpaceBass: Political correctness is one of the problems in school
+Lolk: and cigarettes are way fucking worse than weed
Dream Leader Vyl: More private prisons = more money for the goverment.
+Lolk: nah i think political correctness is a great concept
+Lolk: it's just really new
+Lolk: and underdeveloped
Dream Leader Vyl: More prisoners = more guns = more money.
Dream Leader Vyl: Stuff of that nature.
#SpaceBass: I smoked tobacco for 10 years because weed is too expensive to smoke by itself
+Lolk: and noone knows what it exactly means
#SpaceBass: So 1000s of kids get hooked on tobacco
#SpaceBass: Because they like weed
Dream Leader Vyl: Actually the youth would be greatly impacted if
Dream Leader Vyl: weed was legal.
+Lolk: it's calming
+Lolk: and fucking NATURAL
Dream Leader Vyl: Yeah yeah
#SpaceBass: If weed was legal it wouldnt be this huge 'cool to do' thing
+Lolk: like alcohol is just as bad
#SpaceBass: It'd just be a thing
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+Lolk: if not worse
Dream Leader Vyl: But not everyone takes it medicinally you have to understand that.
+Lolk: like you dont beat your wife
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Dream Leader Vyl: Same with drinking yes.
+Lolk: high on weed
#SpaceBass: Dream Leader Vyl the thing is
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#SpaceBass: What people put in their body
#SpaceBass: Is that persons business and no one elses
#SpaceBass: If I want to OD on heroin I should be free to do so
#SpaceBass: Of my own will
+Lolk: i mean i understand shit like banning bath salts
+Lolk: where people turn into ravenous monsters
+Lolk: that try to eat other people
Dream Leader Vyl: I can tell you one thing though. If you're going to legalize drugs, legalize all drugs. I mean ALL of them. The weak will waste themselves, cleaning up our societies and help manage the over populating of humans.
Dream Leader Vyl: Real talk.
+Lolk: lol im a major proponent of natural selection
#SpaceBass: ^
#SpaceBass: Remove safety info
#SpaceBass: On everything
Dream Leader Vyl: ^ no
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Dream Leader Vyl: People need options, but they also need freedom.
+Lolk: more like just let ppl take drugs and kill themselves
+Dawg: yeah because western societies where drugs are legal, are the reason for over population
#SpaceBass: Humans obsession with safety and nannying is whats killing us
+Dawg: shut the fuck up
Dream Leader Vyl: Don't make it impossible for people who are truthfully uninformed. That is like purposely trying to get them sick or worse.
#SpaceBass: The stupid arent being allowed to die
+Dawg: because as a result of daily life any of us could become the stupid in an instance
+Lolk: more like just free drugs
+Lolk: and let ppl who want to ruin their lives
+Lolk: do so
loatist: I was considering coming back for the sake of the new generation soon but uhh
loatist: I think I'm good
Dream Leader Vyl: But you'd still have to inform people. Just don't force people to live a certain way. That is all I'm saying, that is true freedom.
loatist: ^Anarchism
#SpaceBass: All drugs should be legal full stop
Dream Leader Vyl: Let them know the consequences, and let them do it if they still so please.
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loatist: True freedom is no government.
#SpaceBass: The government know nothing of drugs anyway
#SpaceBass: The stuff the government give me is better than most illegal drugs
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+Lolk: im sure by our generation in power
loatist: I'm suretheyve tested many on inmates anyway
+Lolk: weed will be legal
#SpaceBass: But its not illegal
#SpaceBass: Because money
Dream Leader Vyl: We need the govement, but like all things, we need moderation
#SpaceBass: My doctor even told me "its better than cocaine"
Dream Leader Vyl: government~
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+Lolk: i had this thought the other day
+Lolk: about how no matter where you are born
+Lolk: you are born into a government made by people
+Lolk: not nature
+Lolk: like no one has the option to be truly "free"
loatist: if you were born in nature you would more than likely be dead
Dream Leader Vyl: Well.......Nature isn't the most
Dream Leader Vyl: say
Dream Leader Vyl: Human.....you know
+Lolk: and there should be a place
#SpaceBass: Its my biggest problem with life lolk
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Dream Leader Vyl: ;p it isn't
+Lolk: where you have a choice
Dream Leader Vyl: Nature says, if you're sick
Dream Leader Vyl: you're worthless
Dream Leader Vyl: Hyena food
+Lolk: to live by your own rules
loatist: Go move to New Guinea then hun.
+Lolk: like turn greenland into a lawless society
#SpaceBass: Although the thing with the government
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#SpaceBass: Is they're easy to manipulate
+Lolk: it would be complete anarchy
+Lolk: but at least you have the choice
+Lolk: to live that way
#SpaceBass: And if you can, you get a pretty easy life
#SpaceBass: <
+Lolk: lol do u live off the govt SpaceBass
Dream Leader Vyl: ;p A lawless society is a doomed society.
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#SpaceBass: I spent the last 2 years making the UK governent my bitch
loatist: I have a sub in class that literally told us hes a total golddigger
+Lolk: but at least you have the choice Dream Leader Vyl
loatist: and that his wife calls him a bitch but she makes 4x more than him
+Lolk: lol gimme more details SpaceBass
#SpaceBass: lolk I do live off the government but they owe me it for some mistakes they made
loatist: who needs the government when we have rich people to live off of
#SpaceBass: ie: arresting me for something I didn't do because "she said you did it"
Dream Leader Vyl: @Lolk, would you have a choice if I demanded the computer you're on right now or I'd blow your brains out?
#SpaceBass: Keeping me on bail for 2 years with no evidence
Dream Leader Vyl: Knowing if I did, I wouldn't be punished and would ultimately take the comptuer?
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+Lolk: i never said i wanted to live in a lawless society
Dream Leader Vyl: oh
Dream Leader Vyl: my bad then ;p
loatist: ........
+Lolk: im just saying that no one has the choice
loatist: Lolk
+Lolk: to live outside rules made by other people
loatist: That isnt true freedom
Dream Leader Vyl: Depends if those rules were set with the intent for they being useful for a certain group(s) of people.
+Lolk: what isnt
loatist: They don't have the freedom to just do that
loatist: laws restrict our freedom in place of safety.
+Lolk: that's what i said loatist
loatist: People making laws
loatist: against killing others or stealing
loatist: thats not true freedom.
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+Lolk: i agree loatist
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+Lolk: im totally fine with my freedoms being taken away
#SpaceBass: There is a law in the UK that says the police cannot be taken to court for negligence because its "agasint the public interest"
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+Lolk: for the sake of safety
#SpaceBass: They can kill whoever they want but you can't sue them
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+Lolk: but i just said that there is no place for people who go
#SpaceBass: They fucked me over for 2 years and didn't even say sorry
+Lolk: who want complete "freedom"
loatist: Like I said...
loatist: New Guinea
#SpaceBass: What about somalia Lolk
+Lolk: is there really no laws there
#SpaceBass: You can be an irl pirate therer
loatist: Or as far north in canada as you can go
+Lolk: i mean if i hated government
+Lolk: i would totally move to somalia
+Lolk: and just live like rambo
#SpaceBass: I AM THE CAPTAIN NOW
+Lolk: until i died
loatist: Make a commune in the Yukon
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+Lolk: i couldnt do the yukon loatist
loatist: go fuck around in yemen, they dont have any of the
+Lolk: cause cold af
loatist: their shit together*
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+Lolk: and i dont plan on skinning mooses to survive
#SpaceBass: Fuck fighting a moose lol
+Lolk: im sure somalia is nice and toasty
loatist: Full of malaria
#SpaceBass: What I never understood is cold countries
loatist: Mosquito master race
+Lolk: well that is the cost
#SpaceBass: Why settle somewhere thats cold
+Lolk: of choosing to live without laws
#SpaceBass: Go somewhere hot
+Lolk: you die quickly
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+Lolk: but some people could see that as being truly free
loatist: you die quick living in somalia as a white boy in general
+Lolk: nah i like the cold SpaceBass
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+Lolk: just not if you are living off the grid lol
#SpaceBass: Freedom isn't free
#SpaceBass: FREEDOM COSTS A BUCK 0 5
#SpaceBass: But yeah I agree lolk, people should have the choice of living by law
#SpaceBass: But it shouldn't be the same place as the place with law
#SpaceBass: I mean without law
+Lolk: yes ofc
#SpaceBass: Although
+Lolk: imagine like a fence
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#SpaceBass: There some places like that
#SpaceBass: I can go to like
+Lolk: in between law and lawless societies lol
#SpaceBass: Hackney
#SpaceBass: And the poice don't go there
#SpaceBass: police
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+Lolk: no offense
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+Lolk: but the uk sounds like a terrible place
#SpaceBass: It is
#SpaceBass: I'm not offended at all
+Lolk: well england
+Lolk: scotland looks pretty on google
+Lolk: :D
#SpaceBass: Scotland is bad
#SpaceBass: come @ me yoda
%Yoda2798: D:
+Lolk: ooo yoda is scottish
%Yoda2798: what's so bad about it space
#SpaceBass: But the bad places in the US are worse than the bad places in the Uk
%Yoda2798: what about
#SpaceBass: Detroit is living in mad max times
+Lolk: also i have a friend in wales who loves it
%Yoda2798: cough cough Glasgow
+Lolk: and yea i bet SpaceBass
#SpaceBass: We don't have guns
#SpaceBass: Or crystal meth
#SpaceBass: Well we have both but they're rarely heard of
+Lolk: gun control debates
loatist: Excuse me
+Lolk: are the worst part about living in america
loatist: I literally live in and arnd Detroitou
+Lolk: like listening to them give me cancer
loatist: It is not that fuckin bad
#SpaceBass: >flint michigan
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loatist: Flint is shit
#SpaceBass: kek
+Lolk: also real talk
loatist: Flint=/=Detroit
+Lolk: cork is such a cool substance
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loatist: Tru
#SpaceBass: Cork is p baller
+Lolk: like it's legit fascinating
+Lolk: i want a cork farm
#SpaceBass: I like how we move from an hour of political and social discussion to I FUCKING LOVE CORK
loatist: Is any sexual talk completely banned on showdown still
#SpaceBass: y
#SpaceBass: BOOBS
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#SpaceBass: RIP my mods
loatist: y/n
+Lolk: id fuck a cork
#SpaceBass: loooool
+Lolk: come at me mods
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+Lolk: i almost said id fuck a cork p***y
loatist: I wonder if a kid was scared of gay people and he actually put a cork in his butt
+Lolk: but that might be too far
#SpaceBass: You know what else we don't have in england
#SpaceBass: Child beauty pagents
loatist: god
+Lolk: you're missing out
loatist: good
loatist: its awful
+Lolk: toddlers in tiaras
+Lolk: is americas greatest tv show
loatist: no british honeybooboo
#SpaceBass: Americans: look up a show called jeremy kyle
#SpaceBass: Its like british jerry springer
+Lolk: god bless honeybooboo
#SpaceBass: But not scripted
#SpaceBass: The people really are that trash
loatist: I only watch American Horror Story or Steven Universe (no I don't tumblr, I just like the show, hate the fanbase)
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+Lolk: are those really
+Lolk: the only two shows you watch
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