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  1. Ricardo Ferreira
  2. 7:03pm
  3. Ricardo Ferreira
  4.  
  5. Ok
  6.  
  7. 1- what are your thoughts int the current ou meta
  8.  
  9. *on
  10.  
  11. Remember, only the approved dudes can talk right now
  12.  
  13. Tony go
  14. Tony Ngassi
  15. 7:05pm
  16. Tony Ngassi
  17.  
  18. .
  19. Ricardo Ferreira
  20. 7:05pm
  21. Ricardo Ferreira
  22.  
  23. Rriiver is dead
  24. Tony Ngassi
  25. 7:05pm
  26. Tony Ngassi
  27.  
  28. okay fine
  29.  
  30. uhh
  31. Zamrock In
  32. 7:05pm
  33. Zamrock In
  34.  
  35. LOL
  36.  
  37. nigga forced me to do this
  38.  
  39. and isn't here
  40.  
  41. i wanna kick his face
  42. Ricardo Ferreira
  43. 7:05pm
  44. Ricardo Ferreira
  45.  
  46. His pc is dying
  47. Tony Ngassi
  48. 7:05pm
  49. Tony Ngassi
  50.  
  51. okay I like the meta as it currently is
  52. Ricardo Ferreira
  53. 7:05pm
  54. Ricardo Ferreira
  55.  
  56. Same old
  57. Tony Ngassi
  58. 7:05pm
  59. Tony Ngassi
  60.  
  61. its fun
  62.  
  63. and its still diverse enough
  64.  
  65. for things to be successful
  66. Rriiver Nyile
  67. 7:05pm
  68. Rriiver Nyile
  69.  
  70. ok im here
  71.  
  72. sry
  73.  
  74. go on tony
  75. Tony Ngassi
  76. 7:06pm
  77. Tony Ngassi
  78.  
  79. there are some things I would could be looked at
  80.  
  81. but
  82.  
  83. nothing that stands too far out
  84.  
  85. thats all I got on this
  86.  
  87. just quick thoughts
  88. Ricardo Ferreira
  89. 7:06pm
  90. Ricardo Ferreira
  91.  
  92. Examples of things needing to be looked at
  93. Tony Ngassi
  94. 7:06pm
  95. Tony Ngassi
  96.  
  97. passing to Zam
  98.  
  99. uhh
  100.  
  101. Genesect (being looked at), Lele down the road
  102.  
  103. and that's all that I can think of right now
  104. Zamrock In
  105. 7:07pm
  106. Zamrock In
  107.  
  108. well
  109.  
  110. obviously genesect and lele are huge threats
  111. Kyle Harrison Burns
  112. 7:07pm
  113. Kyle Harrison Burns
  114.  
  115. Definitely
  116. Zamrock In
  117. 7:07pm
  118. Zamrock In
  119.  
  120. zygarde (both forms) and incredibly good right now cuz of TA
  121. Ricardo Ferreira
  122. 7:08pm
  123. Ricardo Ferreira
  124.  
  125. Thousand arrows is retarded
  126.  
  127. I agree
  128. Zamrock In
  129. 7:08pm
  130. Zamrock In
  131.  
  132. we got a bunch of new toys like toxapex, mantine w roost, celesteela
  133. Rriiver Nyile
  134. 7:08pm
  135. Rriiver Nyile
  136.  
  137. kyle first warning plz do not say anything till the end
  138. Zamrock In
  139. 7:08pm
  140. Zamrock In
  141.  
  142. huh
  143.  
  144. he said pass to me
  145.  
  146. so im talking now
  147.  
  148. is that how it goes?
  149. Ricardo Ferreira
  150. 7:08pm
  151. Ricardo Ferreira
  152.  
  153. He said kyle
  154. Rriiver Nyile
  155. 7:08pm
  156. Rriiver Nyile
  157.  
  158. i said kyle
  159.  
  160. not tony
  161.  
  162. lol
  163. Tony Ngassi
  164. 7:09pm
  165. Tony Ngassi
  166.  
  167. Zam, you're good
  168. Rriiver Nyile
  169. 7:09pm
  170. Rriiver Nyile
  171.  
  172. yea go on
  173. Zamrock In
  174. 7:09pm
  175. Zamrock In
  176.  
  177. oh THAt kyle
  178.  
  179. LOOOL
  180. Tony Ngassi
  181. 7:09pm
  182. Tony Ngassi
  183.  
  184. LOOL
  185. Zamrock In
  186. 7:09pm
  187. Zamrock In
  188.  
  189. my name is kyle too i got confused
  190.  
  191. ok anyways
  192. Ricardo Ferreira
  193. 7:09pm
  194. Ricardo Ferreira
  195.  
  196. LOLOL
  197. Zamrock In
  198. 7:09pm
  199. Zamrock In
  200.  
  201. this meta seems a bit more offensively based
  202.  
  203. than defensive
  204.  
  205. scarf lele, metagross, mega zam
  206.  
  207. taunt fini
  208.  
  209. koko
  210.  
  211. including pheramosa
  212.  
  213. thing i love about it is that it's more fast paced and it can get abused so quickly
  214.  
  215. that's the pro, but the con is stall is becoming less and less valuable w/ all these new breakers we got
  216.  
  217. like taunt fini that i mentioned eariler
  218.  
  219. shuts down stall like nothing if u play well w/ it
  220.  
  221. so what i would like to see is
  222.  
  223. just a meta that can have a more
  224.  
  225. controlled diversity i guess u can say
  226.  
  227. balanced out with a good team vs all these new threats we have to be successful in the tier
  228.  
  229. and the best way to do this is to continue to play in it
  230.  
  231. that's how anyone gets better and that's how u prove yourself
  232.  
  233. passing to njnp.
  234. Rriiver Nyile
  235. 7:12pm
  236. Rriiver Nyile
  237.  
  238. So, I agree with alot of things mentioned by zamrock this meta is heavily focused on offense
  239.  
  240. not ho though mons like ninja,tapu kokolele
  241.  
  242. have killed ho
  243.  
  244. and made it kinda unviable from the previous pinsir t flame days
  245.  
  246. so atm most definitely bulky offense is the most and most reliable style of play in the metagame like it was in the previous gen.
  247.  
  248. Their are issues in this gen alot of borked shit came like phermosa,lele,and genesect came back down
  249.  
  250. all these mons require suspects in the near future. I honestly am not the biggest fan of this meta but I do enjoy it much more then clefable on every team and hazard to constantly try so hard to run hazard control and worried if pinsir/tflame ho 6-0s my team.
  251.  
  252. so those are my views on whats going on atm passing to ricardo
  253. Ricardo Ferreira
  254. 7:15pm
  255. Ricardo Ferreira
  256.  
  257. This meta is ass
  258. Tony Ngassi
  259. 7:15pm
  260. Tony Ngassi
  261.  
  262. lol
  263. Ricardo Ferreira
  264. 7:15pm
  265. Ricardo Ferreira
  266.  
  267. Like
  268.  
  269. It's a fun meta but there's so much retarded shit into the tier
  270.  
  271. All these super restrictive mons like gross, lele phero etc
  272.  
  273. Shit like lele just disables the playstyle it wants
  274.  
  275. I definitely think we have a lot of work to refine the gen
  276.  
  277. There are playstyles like ho which just can't exist and i think that's fucked up
  278.  
  279. You need to run a lot of specific mons just not to los
  280.  
  281. *lose
  282.  
  283. Bo is like the only viable playstyle
  284.  
  285. You can have some success with bare offense and certain balances
  286.  
  287. But they don't have enough room to insert countermeasures to every threat
  288.  
  289. But that's more of playstyle instead of meta
  290.  
  291. Although sm reforces that
  292.  
  293. Oh and stall is also viable
  294.  
  295. Ban duggy
  296.  
  297. Anyway
  298.  
  299. Obii is dead
  300.  
  301. So let's move on
  302.  
  303. Rriiver i'm not hosting
  304. Rriiver Nyile
  305. 7:21pm
  306. Rriiver Nyile
  307.  
  308. Yea we are gonna
  309.  
  310. recap
  311. Ricardo Ferreira
  312. 7:21pm
  313. Ricardo Ferreira
  314.  
  315. Go on
  316. Rriiver Nyile
  317. 7:21pm
  318. Rriiver Nyile
  319.  
  320. what has been said
  321.  
  322. Il go first
  323. 7:21pm
  324. You added Thanos Tigkas.
  325. Rriiver Nyile
  326. 7:21pm
  327. Rriiver Nyile
  328.  
  329. So, I think stall is definitely very viable
  330.  
  331. and is the most viable strat
  332.  
  333. after bulky offense
  334.  
  335. which is quite unfortunate that atm ur in a bad spot either bulky offense or stall
  336.  
  337. as your opinions to use
  338.  
  339. Momentum is a big thing in this metagame
  340.  
  341. Just a sidenote I wish t flame was still viable cause bulky t flame would be great atm
  342. Ricardo Ferreira
  343. 7:23pm
  344. Ricardo Ferreira
  345.  
  346. Rip talonflame
  347. Thanos Tigkas
  348. 7:24pm
  349. Thanos Tigkas
  350.  
  351. i agree with rriv
  352. Rriiver Nyile
  353. 7:24pm
  354. Rriiver Nyile
  355.  
  356. thanos
  357.  
  358. ur new and forgot
  359.  
  360. *didnt see memo
  361.  
  362. but
  363.  
  364. u cant speak till
  365.  
  366. at the end
  367. Thanos Tigkas
  368. 7:24pm
  369. Thanos Tigkas
  370.  
  371. (y) got it
  372. Rriiver Nyile
  373. 7:24pm
  374. Rriiver Nyile
  375.  
  376. anyway, lets move onto question 2
  377.  
  378. unless u have something to say tony
  379. Tony Ngassi
  380. 7:25pm
  381. Tony Ngassi
  382.  
  383. ?
  384.  
  385. hmm nah you covered everything
  386. Rriiver Nyile
  387. 7:26pm
  388. Rriiver Nyile
  389.  
  390. alright
  391.  
  392. 2. What needs to be suspected atm
  393.  
  394. I'll start this off
  395.  
  396. quite simply alot of shit.
  397.  
  398. not in any particular order
  399.  
  400. but z moves,lele,genesect(current),mosa,dugtrio
  401.  
  402. all need suspects
  403.  
  404. I'll go into the reasons then let zamrock speak
  405. Tony Ngassi
  406. 7:27pm
  407. Tony Ngassi
  408.  
  409. brief explanation as to why
  410.  
  411. if you dont mind
  412. Rriiver Nyile
  413. 7:27pm
  414. Rriiver Nyile
  415.  
  416. yea ofc
  417.  
  418. z moves make unwinnable match ups winnable constantly the change the direction of games constantly
  419.  
  420. with mons like rp z move fly lando
  421.  
  422. z move sunny day lele
  423.  
  424. sand storm garchomp
  425.  
  426. their are so many different combos and game changing ways to win with them they have to go
  427.  
  428. I know their fun but they are really unhealthy
  429.  
  430. Lele can run so many viable sets and none of them are bad lol
  431.  
  432. It really is retarded it can get away with being a scarfer,a breaker(taunt),specs etc
  433.  
  434. Its ability is what puts it over the edge
  435.  
  436. and personally instead of banning the mon the ability should just be complexed banned
  437.  
  438. cause if u take away its psychic boost and it now can get hit by priority
  439.  
  440. its savagery would calm down
  441.  
  442. genesect
  443.  
  444. simply just u turns around
  445.  
  446. brings in shit
  447.  
  448. like
  449.  
  450. lele
  451.  
  452. and other breakers and haha even z move lando on trans for a decently free set up
  453.  
  454. while being able to break teams with sets like eb,shift gear and rp
  455.  
  456. It keeps showcasing why its suspected each gen
  457.  
  458. I hope this time it stays
  459.  
  460. I think it has a positive/negeative
  461.  
  462. impact
  463.  
  464. on the metagame
  465.  
  466. that balances out nicely
  467.  
  468. next is phermosa
  469.  
  470. Its not the most disgusting thing in the world but my god
  471.  
  472. this thing really needs to go
  473.  
  474. it just makes the meaning of ho
  475.  
  476. die
  477.  
  478. at the sight of it
  479.  
  480. especially paired with lele
  481.  
  482. thanos made a very nice team
  483.  
  484. with lele and phermosa really just showing
  485.  
  486. how they can just tear right through teams
  487.  
  488. with nice help
  489.  
  490. its able to revenge
  491.  
  492. many sweepers
  493.  
  494. with ada scarf
  495.  
  496. like sand drill,kingdra rain,and any other dd
  497.  
  498. very well
  499.  
  500. while revenging any other scarfer and literally having zero reason not to click u turn at times
  501. Rriiver Nyile
  502. 7:33pm
  503. Rriiver Nyile
  504.  
  505. Landorus-Therian @ Yache Berry
  506. Ability: Intimidate
  507. EVs: 248 HP / 240 Def / 20 SpD
  508. Relaxed Nature
  509. - Stealth Rock
  510. - Earthquake
  511. - U-turn
  512. - Hidden Power [Fire]
  513.  
  514. Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
  515. Ability: Tough Claws
  516. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  517. Jolly Nature
  518. - Zen Headbutt
  519. - Meteor Mash
  520. - Thunder Punch
  521. - Hammer Arm
  522.  
  523. Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
  524. Ability: Levitate
  525. EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
  526. Calm Nature
  527. IVs: 0 Atk / 28 Spe
  528. - Will-O-Wisp
  529. - Hydro Pump
  530. - Volt Switch
  531. - Pain Split
  532.  
  533. Greninja @ Life Orb
  534. Ability: Battle Bond
  535. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  536. Timid Nature
  537. IVs: 0 Atk
  538. - Hydro Pump
  539. - Dark Pulse
  540. - Water Shuriken
  541. - Ice Beam
  542.  
  543. Pheromosa @ Life Orb
  544. Ability: Beast Boost
  545. EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
  546. Naive Nature
  547. - Poison Jab
  548. - High Jump Kick
  549. - U-turn
  550. - Ice Beam
  551.  
  552. Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
  553. Ability: Psychic Surge
  554. EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
  555. Timid Nature
  556. IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
  557. - Psychic
  558. - Moonblast
  559. - Thunderbolt
  560. - Hidden Power [Fire]
  561. Rriiver Nyile
  562. 7:34pm
  563. Rriiver Nyile
  564.  
  565. heres the team if u want to steal
  566.  
  567. anyway
  568.  
  569. next mon dugtrio
  570.  
  571. This is what makes stall broken.
  572.  
  573. You remove dugtrio stall becomes much easier to handle
  574.  
  575. dugtrio is able to trap all the best breakers like hoopa,banded ttar,lele,heatran
  576.  
  577. while being able to use scarf on balance and trap koko
  578.  
  579. phermosa(non scarf)
  580. Cris Smith
  581. 7:35pm
  582. Cris Smith
  583.  
  584. What kind of ice cream?
  585. Rriiver Nyile
  586. 7:35pm
  587. Rriiver Nyile
  588.  
  589. and the other things above
  590. Cris Smith
  591. 7:35pm
  592. Cris Smith
  593.  
  594. Shoot my bad
  595. Rriiver Nyile
  596. 7:35pm
  597. Rriiver Nyile
  598.  
  599. ur ok
  600. Tony Ngassi
  601. 7:35pm
  602. Tony Ngassi
  603.  
  604. LOL
  605. Rriiver Nyile
  606. 7:35pm
  607. Rriiver Nyile
  608.  
  609. anyway, dugtrio atm makes arch types like genesect
  610.  
  611. plus it shine
  612.  
  613. and do what it needs to do to make genesect
  614.  
  615. shine even more
  616.  
  617. is an extremely unhealthy mon that i wish the council took seriously
  618.  
  619. just cause it cant trap flying mons/levitate mons like goth doesnt make it any less deadly
  620.  
  621. especially with the atk boost that made it even more amazing then it was in oras
  622.  
  623. alright, tony your turn
  624. Tony Ngassi
  625. 7:37pm
  626. Tony Ngassi
  627.  
  628. okay
  629.  
  630. I personally think Genesect, Lele, Metagross,
  631.  
  632. should be looked at
  633.  
  634. Genesect is basically the best mon in the ttier
  635.  
  636. and its not really that close
  637.  
  638. imo
  639.  
  640. super versatile with all of its sets
  641.  
  642. none of which are bad either
  643. Kyle Harrison Burns
  644. 7:38pm
  645. Kyle Harrison Burns
  646.  
  647. Too bad Clefable doesn't seem really relevant anymore
  648. Tony Ngassi
  649. 7:38pm
  650. Tony Ngassi
  651.  
  652. and if you find yourself playing against "that one set" you just lose to it
  653. Rriiver Nyile
  654. 7:38pm
  655. Rriiver Nyile
  656.  
  657. kyle thats the second time
  658.  
  659. one more time mate and i got to kick u sry but plz stop interrupting
  660. Kyle Harrison Burns
  661. 7:39pm
  662. Kyle Harrison Burns
  663.  
  664. My b
  665. Rriiver Nyile
  666. 7:39pm
  667. Rriiver Nyile
  668.  
  669. go on tony
  670. Tony Ngassi
  671. 7:39pm
  672. Tony Ngassi
  673.  
  674. okay
  675.  
  676. yeah Genesect is really versatile with everything it can do and never really fails at it either
  677.  
  678. so im glad its getting tested atm
  679.  
  680. next is Lele
  681.  
  682. I don't have as much trouble with it as I do with Gene
  683.  
  684. but
  685.  
  686. its Psychic surge
  687.  
  688. is jsut busted
  689.  
  690. thats the only real reason its broken
  691.  
  692. Specs is really hard to slower defensive teams to counter
  693.  
  694. scarf beats offense
  695.  
  696. and then you have other shit
  697.  
  698. like
  699.  
  700. CM
  701.  
  702. or whatever zmove you want to run to beat X thing
  703.  
  704. I think it will be more obnoxious if/when Genesect goes
  705.  
  706. but thats something we can deal wtih when the time comes
  707.  
  708. and lastly is was Metagross
  709.  
  710. maybe im knee-jerk reacting a bit
  711.  
  712. but its by far the best mega
  713.  
  714. I think its a lot of what made it be tested last gen
  715.  
  716. and its apparent again
  717.  
  718. maybe it wont be as bad down the roar
  719.  
  720. thats all I got
  721.  
  722. passing to obii
  723. Obii Dhaman
  724. 7:44pm
  725. Obii Dhaman
  726.  
  727. okay so
  728.  
  729. I agree with everyone in that gene, lele, and gross are 3 of the strongest mons in the meta atm
  730.  
  731. The big question is whether any of these have qualities that push it over the edge
  732.  
  733. I think something interesting that abr and Ricardo brought up is that
  734.  
  735. These qualities need to be looked at within the context of the meta
  736.  
  737. Cus I find that a mistake a lot of people do (myself included) is look at a mon in a vacuum and conclude that it's broken
  738.  
  739. Like before sm came out
  740.  
  741. I vaguely thought bulu was gonna be broken cus I saw calcs of it ohkoing chomp and Lando with wood hammer
  742.  
  743. But obviously it's very different in practice
  744.  
  745. Bulu is of course a good mon but not dominant
  746.  
  747. Same case with the big 3 I mentioned
  748.  
  749. Genesect on paper has absolutely no switch ins
  750.  
  751. But tbh if you want a meta where you could wall everything
  752.  
  753. Then it becomes very match up based and ruins the battle dynamic
  754.  
  755. Mons shouldn't be like that and never was
  756.  
  757. Despite this, regarding gene
  758.  
  759. I haven't entirely reached a conclusion on whether it deserves to go
  760.  
  761. But leaning towards it is too strong
  762.  
  763. Also
  764.  
  765. Actually ima end here cus my Internet isn't great
  766.  
  767. Brb,continue without me
  768. Rriiver Nyile
  769. 7:49pm
  770. Rriiver Nyile
  771.  
  772. welp, ricardos turn
  773. 7:49pm
  774. You added Joseph Carmichael Bryant.
  775. Ricardo Ferreira
  776. 7:49pm
  777. Ricardo Ferreira
  778.  
  779. Well
  780.  
  781. Genesect lele pheromosa duggy z moves and maybe gross
  782.  
  783. These are the only borked things
  784.  
  785. Genesect can run any set it wants
  786.  
  787. Band, scarf, specs, lo, ebelt, rp douse
  788.  
  789. All of them have big merit
  790.  
  791. Jesus typing with enough defenses to put it to use
  792.  
  793. The best ones imo are scarf and lo/ebelt
  794.  
  795. Scarf eats offense, lo and ebelt are kind of the same thing but ebelt is more for luring and lo is straight up breaking as much as possible in one set
  796.  
  797. I'm leaning towards no ban
  798.  
  799. Yes it has good sets but nome of them are THAT retarded and they all have countermeasures imo
  800.  
  801. The set can also be decyphered through team composition a lot timea
  802.  
  803. *times
  804.  
  805. People are just lazy
  806.  
  807. They don't want to think and allow genesect for free without thinking about the possibilties
  808.  
  809. It's a mon that requires thought to switch into but i don't think it's bad
  810.  
  811. It always keeps the meta fresh in comparison to the stale oras meta we had due to the nature of the tier where you run counters to everything
  812. Rriiver Nyile
  813. 7:56pm
  814. Rriiver Nyile
  815.  
  816. *tried to run
  817. Ricardo Ferreira
  818. 7:57pm
  819. Ricardo Ferreira
  820.  
  821. Pretty much what obii was talking about me and abr saying the matchup issues
  822.  
  823. It's the best mon in the tier but we should keep it imo
  824.  
  825. We should also look at tier policies
  826.  
  827. It's a new meta
  828. Kennedy Erem
  829. 7:57pm
  830. Kennedy Erem
  831.  
  832. Knawledge
  833. Ricardo Ferreira
  834. 7:57pm
  835. Ricardo Ferreira
  836.  
  837. It's stupid to judge a new meta with outdated views
  838.  
  839. Next is lele
  840.  
  841. Lele is stupid
  842.  
  843. this mon is disgustting
  844.  
  845. it can do pretty much everything it needs and is near perfect at it
  846.  
  847. scarf completely invalidates offense by itself
  848.  
  849. taunt twisted spoon dismantles stall most of the time (duggy is balanced)
  850.  
  851. specs has 0 switch ins
  852. Kennedy Erem
  853. 7:59pm
  854. Kennedy Erem
  855.  
  856. Not to mention the way it pairs up with mega gross and/or mega zam
  857. Ricardo Ferreira
  858. 7:59pm
  859. Ricardo Ferreira
  860.  
  861. cm can be used as a win con vs fat kind of like lando i
  862. Rriiver Nyile
  863. 7:59pm
  864. Rriiver Nyile
  865.  
  866. kennedy
  867. Kennedy Erem
  868. 8:00pm
  869. Kennedy Erem
  870.  
  871. Yo
  872. Rriiver Nyile
  873. 8:00pm
  874. Rriiver Nyile
  875.  
  876. u bring up a valid point
  877.  
  878. but
  879.  
  880. um you missed the part where
  881.  
  882. only members allowed to talk
  883.  
  884. are allowed to talk
  885. Kennedy Erem
  886. 8:00pm
  887. Kennedy Erem
  888.  
  889. Oh
  890. Rriiver Nyile
  891. 8:00pm
  892. Rriiver Nyile
  893.  
  894. everyone esle waits till the end
  895. Kennedy Erem
  896. 8:00pm
  897. Kennedy Erem
  898.  
  899. Sorry lol
  900. Rriiver Nyile
  901. 8:00pm
  902. Rriiver Nyile
  903.  
  904. np mate
  905.  
  906. proceed ricardo
  907. Ricardo Ferreira
  908. 8:00pm
  909. Ricardo Ferreira
  910.  
  911. it's ability is disgusting
  912.  
  913. you can't even revenge this bitch
  914.  
  915. you gain shit by being able to pivot into scizor and risk getting lured by twisted spoon
  916.  
  917. offense can't revenge it with priority
  918.  
  919. it's ability also supports so many mons
  920.  
  921. psychic spam cores with zam
  922.  
  923. preventing priority for pheromosa and setup sweepers
  924.  
  925. it also has some nice bulk, letting it pivot into certain mons like fini and just pressure the whole team
  926.  
  927. it's just retarded
  928.  
  929. i hope this butterfly looking bitch goes soon
  930.  
  931. next is duggy
  932.  
  933. duggy traps the things that threaten stall
  934.  
  935. there
  936.  
  937. after doing that, the remainder of the team proceed to stall you with their combinaion of mons
  938.  
  939. it has enough atk and movepool to trap mmost stallbreakers
  940.  
  941. it can also be used in balance although definitely not as viable
  942.  
  943. shit like scarf revenges a lotf of mons like gross which ae dangerous to these balances
  944.  
  945. koko, lele, hoopa, etc
  946.  
  947. trapping keeps showingwhy it's a broken element in mons
  948.  
  949. pheromosa kills any offensive playstyle
  950.  
  951. scarf beats weather teams
  952.  
  953. band has 0 switch ins on offense
  954.  
  955. it can u turn on a lot of it's checks like marowak
  956.  
  957. it's not as much of a momentum as genesect but definitely stupid
  958.  
  959. you can even run qd z hyper bveam to fuck shit like toxapex
  960.  
  961. i'm on the fence about gross
  962.  
  963. it's checks aren't nearly as iable anymore
  964.  
  965. it has close to 0 switch ins
  966.  
  967. it blanket checks a lot of the meta
  968.  
  969. i don't thinki i'd ban it but it's a mon worth keeping an eye on
  970.  
  971. z moves are stupid
  972.  
  973. you have tornadus and drill beating "counters" like rotom
  974.  
  975. super unhealthy, make the game more matchup reliant
  976.  
  977. really hard to scout
  978.  
  979. turn bad matchups into good ones
  980.  
  981. offense is now one of the best manaphy matchups when it was it's worste
  982.  
  983. they really should be banned imo
  984.  
  985. they add unhealthy elements of unpredictability
  986.  
  987. anyway, i'm done
  988.  
  989. next question
  990. Zamrock In
  991. 8:10pm
  992. Zamrock In
  993.  
  994. lmao
  995.  
  996. jesus
  997. Ricardo Ferreira
  998. 8:10pm
  999. Ricardo Ferreira
  1000.  
  1001. Oh wait
  1002.  
  1003. Zamrock is alive
  1004. Zamrock In
  1005. 8:10pm
  1006. Zamrock In
  1007.  
  1008. nah next question
  1009.  
  1010. LOL
  1011. Ricardo Ferreira
  1012. 8:10pm
  1013. Ricardo Ferreira
  1014.  
  1015. LOL
  1016.  
  1017. Fine
  1018. Zamrock In
  1019. 8:10pm
  1020. Zamrock In
  1021.  
  1022. y'all got it all already
  1023.  
  1024. i'll start it then i guess
  1025.  
  1026. to w/e q is next
  1027. Ricardo Ferreira
  1028. 8:11pm
  1029. Ricardo Ferreira
  1030.  
  1031. 3 - best mon and mega with why
  1032. Tony Ngassi
  1033. 8:12pm
  1034. Tony Ngassi
  1035.  
  1036. Zam, you start wtih this one
  1037. Zamrock In
  1038. 8:12pm
  1039. Zamrock In
  1040.  
  1041. yeah just thinkin
  1042.  
  1043. i mean well, obviously people are gonna say metagross
  1044.  
  1045. which is what im gonna say also
  1046.  
  1047. it can switch in to 3 out of the 4 tapus and has a chance at beating all of them
  1048.  
  1049. with the ability to
  1050.  
  1051. mega and get it's base 110 speed on the same trun
  1052.  
  1053. is so crucial for it
  1054.  
  1055. it has the best coverage to basically dominate anything that isn't a scizor,, but even scizor has an issue w/ it cuz it always has to roost on gross in order to remain as a check
  1056.  
  1057. and u can easily take advantage of that by switching into a fire type or something to keep momentum going
  1058.  
  1059. it's one of the few megas u can currently use and just by that logic, it's one of the strongest and should be spammed for a reason
  1060.  
  1061. it can be also used to trap the psychics very easily for a seperate win con to win
  1062.  
  1063. like random shit like subCM keld or anything that appreciates lele being gone or weakened (can't think of any at the top of my head rn, probably posion types)
  1064.  
  1065. i'd rank that as number 1
  1066.  
  1067. number 2 i feel gonna have to be mega zam
  1068.  
  1069. again, it takes advnatge of it's speed the turn it megas
  1070.  
  1071. and what's legit is
  1072.  
  1073. back in ORAS, if ur using zam to check weather abusers
  1074.  
  1075. u NEED protect
  1076.  
  1077. like if sand is up and driller is out
  1078.  
  1079. and ur only mon to beat is meag
  1080.  
  1081. u need tect to trace the ablilty to outspeed driller
  1082.  
  1083. in SM, u dont even need tect anymore to do that
  1084.  
  1085. u just throw it out, trace sand rush, and click focus blast
  1086.  
  1087. it's one of the beat offensive killers in the game
  1088. Ricardo Ferreira
  1089. 8:18pm
  1090. Ricardo Ferreira
  1091.  
  1092. And hit
  1093. Zamrock In
  1094. 8:18pm
  1095. Zamrock In
  1096.  
  1097. yeah well, mons amirite
  1098.  
  1099. anyways
  1100.  
  1101. i love how u can still use
  1102.  
  1103. it's basic standard set cuz it's still very good now is it was in ORAS
  1104.  
  1105. psychic/sball/focus blast/filler
  1106.  
  1107. filler is good for all sorts of shit like encore, CM, taunt, HP fire, even gleam for sableye
  1108.  
  1109. it's not broken, but it's incredibly good if u need something fast and can hit hard
  1110.  
  1111. so that's why i rank it number 2
  1112.  
  1113. number 3 is kind of hard..
  1114. Ricardo Ferreira
  1115. 8:20pm
  1116. Ricardo Ferreira
  1117.  
  1118. What about best non mega mon?
  1119. Rriiver Nyile
  1120. 8:20pm
  1121. Rriiver Nyile
  1122.  
  1123. Yea if u cant think of a 3rd move to non mega
  1124.  
  1125. *3rd mega
  1126. Zamrock In
  1127. 8:20pm
  1128. Zamrock In
  1129.  
  1130. well
  1131. Ricardo Ferreira
  1132. 8:20pm
  1133. Ricardo Ferreira
  1134.  
  1135. Yeah, let's go with 1 mega and 1 non mega
  1136. Zamrock In
  1137. 8:21pm
  1138. Zamrock In
  1139.  
  1140. well i wont rank a tapu
  1141.  
  1142. cuz like no shit those are good
  1143.  
  1144. i wanna think of something underrated and im startin to like
  1145.  
  1146. it'll probably greninja
  1147.  
  1148. both ash and reg
  1149.  
  1150. specs ash is pretty interesting as it's speed tier is amazing that just outclasses torn-t in terms of it
  1151.  
  1152. specs is not an awful set, only thing i hate about it is that it's hard to fit ice beam on it
  1153.  
  1154. since it is useful to nail chompers and lando't w/o risking a miss
  1155.  
  1156. protean is still a fantasic ability to create offensive momentum
  1157.  
  1158. gunk shot is even better now cuz of the tapus spammed everywhere
  1159.  
  1160. good spiker if u play aggresive w/ it
  1161.  
  1162. movepool is basically perfect
  1163.  
  1164. water skuriken im honestly not a HUGE fan of cuz i think it's piss-ass weak, but i like that you are promised to hit 3 times after ash-evoling
  1165.  
  1166. so it'll be easier than risking a 2 hitter
  1167.  
  1168. ash-gren being to outspeed stuff like koo really really benefits it and it can create so much momentum for ur squad if u use it correctly
  1169.  
  1170. not really much else to say about it.
  1171.  
  1172. so i'll pass it to obii
  1173. Ricardo Ferreira
  1174. 8:25pm
  1175. Ricardo Ferreira
  1176.  
  1177. Obii isn't here
  1178.  
  1179. Rriiver
  1180. Zamrock In
  1181. 8:25pm
  1182. Zamrock In
  1183.  
  1184. .
  1185. Rriiver Nyile
  1186. 8:25pm
  1187. Rriiver Nyile
  1188.  
  1189. He is
  1190. Ricardo Ferreira
  1191. 8:25pm
  1192. Ricardo Ferreira
  1193.  
  1194. No he isn't?
  1195.  
  1196. That's cement the god
  1197. Rriiver Nyile
  1198. 8:25pm
  1199. Rriiver Nyile
  1200.  
  1201. Well he was just a min
  1202.  
  1203. Ohhhh
  1204.  
  1205. Alright
  1206.  
  1207. Ill go then
  1208. Ricardo Ferreira
  1209. 8:26pm
  1210. Ricardo Ferreira
  1211.  
  1212. Best mega and best non mega
  1213.  
  1214. I liked zamrock's approach
  1215. Rriiver Nyile
  1216. 8:26pm
  1217. Rriiver Nyile
  1218.  
  1219. Best mega is metagross you can't effectively argue another mega is better without making me question why u play this game
  1220. Ricardo Ferreira
  1221. 8:26pm
  1222. Ricardo Ferreira
  1223.  
  1224. After that talk about a mon you think is good
  1225. Rriiver Nyile
  1226. 8:27pm
  1227. Rriiver Nyile
  1228.  
  1229. Its able to beat literally everymon 1v1 while removing many threats with pursuit
  1230.  
  1231. and can even be a sweeper with rp
  1232.  
  1233. With moves like bp it can revenge things like phermosa and weav
  1234.  
  1235. While it generally can spam meteor mash very easily and doesnt even require it this gen cause of clefs usage going down the drain
  1236.  
  1237. Ive tried non mash meta and ive enjoyed it
  1238.  
  1239. Anyway, it needs a suspect
  1240.  
  1241. next mon that isnt a mega
  1242.  
  1243. Ill go with an underrated mon and that mon will be mamoswine
  1244.  
  1245. This thing is jesus it pressures out so much with it stabs ohkos so much if played/predicting right in this current meta it can definitely gain u 2 kills or even set up rocks and get u a kill and a rocker that gets u kills is pretty clean
  1246.  
  1247. It has prority ice shard that can come in handy alot while having access to freezy dry to pubish mantines and rotoms
  1248.  
  1249. *punish
  1250.  
  1251. with salamence z move and z move lando being so good its nice to have this around to make them less likely to set up and definitely less likely to sweep.
  1252.  
  1253. Ill pass this to tony, I believe he hasn't gawn
  1254. Tony Ngassi
  1255. 8:31pm
  1256. Tony Ngassi
  1257.  
  1258. im still here
  1259.  
  1260. best Mega and non Mega right?
  1261.  
  1262. hmm
  1263. Ricardo Ferreira
  1264. 8:32pm
  1265. Ricardo Ferreira
  1266.  
  1267. Best mega, best non mega or underrated mon
  1268. Rriiver Nyile
  1269. 8:32pm
  1270. Rriiver Nyile
  1271.  
  1272. Yep
  1273. Tony Ngassi
  1274. 8:32pm
  1275. Tony Ngassi
  1276.  
  1277. I'll go with something that hasnt been said
  1278.  
  1279. I still think Mega Gross is the best
  1280.  
  1281. but zard Y is really cool
  1282.  
  1283. cuz so many teams are weak to it
  1284. Ricardo Ferreira
  1285. 8:32pm
  1286. Ricardo Ferreira
  1287.  
  1288. Latios isn't as common anymore helps it a lot
  1289. Tony Ngassi
  1290. 8:33pm
  1291. Tony Ngassi
  1292.  
  1293. and it can put in a ton of work vs stall / balance or BO
  1294.  
  1295. yeah and Latios not being super common helps it a ton as well
  1296.  
  1297. best non mega would be
  1298.  
  1299. Greninja
  1300.  
  1301. both forms
  1302.  
  1303. its still versatile hits really hard
  1304.  
  1305. and is one of the few spikers in the tier that isnt awful
  1306.  
  1307. underrated mon would be Kyurem black
  1308.  
  1309. great at pressuring fat teams with the right support
  1310.  
  1311. SubZero slammer is just absurb
  1312.  
  1313. as it KOs things like Rotom-w, ferro and Celesteela
  1314.  
  1315. from near ful
  1316.  
  1317. full*
  1318.  
  1319. those are my 3
  1320. Ricardo Ferreira
  1321. 8:36pm
  1322. Ricardo Ferreira
  1323.  
  1324. My time then
  1325.  
  1326. Best mega is gross without a doubt
  1327.  
  1328. We talked enough about it so i'll refrain from doing that
  1329.  
  1330. Best non mega is genesect
  1331.  
  1332. Talked enough about it
  1333.  
  1334. Underrated mon
  1335.  
  1336. I'd like to talk about ash greninja since it's my favorite mon to use but it has been adressed already
  1337.  
  1338. I'll go with a marowak
  1339.  
  1340. For some reason a lot of people still think Marowak isn't good
  1341.  
  1342. This mon is so good, definitely the best alolan
  1343.  
  1344. It's typing with lightning rod is absurd
  1345.  
  1346. It walls pretty much every electric
  1347.  
  1348. It's bulk is not bad when invested
  1349.  
  1350. It checks a lot of mons like most genesect sets, pheromosa and koko
  1351.  
  1352. It can run thick club to destroy most switch ins
  1353.  
  1354. Wisp to spread status, viable rocker since not even fini likes switching into shadow bone repeatedly
  1355.  
  1356. One of the few stallbreakers that doesn't get trapped by duggy
  1357.  
  1358. Really good mon
  1359.  
  1360. Question 4 - expectations for sm ou
  1361.  
  1362. Rriiver
  1363. Rriiver Nyile
  1364. 8:42pm
  1365. Rriiver Nyile
  1366.  
  1367. Hmm
  1368.  
  1369. My expectations are kinda reserved I am interested in how long marshadow will stay lol
  1370.  
  1371. Im certainly looking forward to its warth
  1372. Ricardo Ferreira
  1373. 8:42pm
  1374. Ricardo Ferreira
  1375.  
  1376. 2 days
  1377. Rriiver Nyile
  1378. 8:43pm
  1379. Rriiver Nyile
  1380.  
  1381. Lolololol
  1382.  
  1383. Find it funny we finally get good ghosts
  1384.  
  1385. But all of em are either decent or just too broken
  1386.  
  1387. The way people are complaining about the breakers like lele sext
  1388.  
  1389. *sect
  1390.  
  1391. And we already lost lando
  1392. Ricardo Ferreira
  1393. 8:44pm
  1394. Ricardo Ferreira
  1395.  
  1396. Rip lando
  1397. Rriiver Nyile
  1398. 8:44pm
  1399. Rriiver Nyile
  1400.  
  1401. Just gotta end up like oras ou 2.0
  1402.  
  1403. with koko fini and bulu
  1404.  
  1405. I have no faith
  1406.  
  1407. In the council
  1408.  
  1409. So it really lowers my expectations
  1410.  
  1411. Cause of their views on the metagame
  1412.  
  1413. are their rash decisions
  1414.  
  1415. *and
  1416.  
  1417. I think oras ou was disappointing in the speed tier
  1418.  
  1419. Of certain mons
  1420.  
  1421. They were introduced
  1422.  
  1423. *that
  1424.  
  1425. like decud
  1426.  
  1427. Vikavolt
  1428. Ricardo Ferreira
  1429. 8:46pm
  1430. Ricardo Ferreira
  1431.  
  1432. *sm
  1433. Rriiver Nyile
  1434. 8:46pm
  1435. Rriiver Nyile
  1436.  
  1437. Oh yea sumo excuse me
  1438.  
  1439. other then that I expect all the megas to return
  1440.  
  1441. Eventually
  1442.  
  1443. Be weird for them just to have a fe
  1444.  
  1445. w
  1446.  
  1447. i expect events to occur
  1448.  
  1449. and bans to happen when certain megas reappear so yea thats it for me
  1450.  
  1451. Ricardo can go now
  1452. Ricardo Ferreira
  1453. 8:47pm
  1454. Ricardo Ferreira
  1455.  
  1456. well
  1457.  
  1458. this question is kind of hard for me
  1459.  
  1460. expectations come from an subjective point of view
  1461.  
  1462. i'll try to keep it objective and beliveable
  1463.  
  1464. I think sm has potential since we are being given a chance to keep a lot of mons that promote diversity kind of like genesect
  1465.  
  1466. even if that diversity is centralizing at times
  1467.  
  1468. kind of hard to belieave that lmao
  1469.  
  1470. **believe
  1471.  
  1472. i expect a lot of bans though
  1473.  
  1474. most of the things mentioned here will get suspected
  1475.  
  1476. i can see stall bcoming stupid though
  1477.  
  1478. if the council keeps the same view
  1479.  
  1480. this ties into what i was talking about policy changes in the face of a new gen
  1481.  
  1482. the council seems to be trying keeping the same power creep as in oras ins a completely different meta
  1483.  
  1484. it's just better to play oras at that point
  1485.  
  1486. metas change, that's why we play them
  1487.  
  1488. it wouldn't be worth playing a meta where clef latios lando is the most common core again
  1489.  
  1490. but i guess tiering is subjective at it's core
  1491.  
  1492. we just have to trust the council (which i don't lmao)
  1493.  
  1494. so yeah, i expect a lot of stall
  1495.  
  1496. ho may return if phero goes
  1497.  
  1498. and lele
  1499.  
  1500. hm
  1501.  
  1502. i could see the council testing some mons because of z moves
  1503.  
  1504. but that ties into a question later so i'll refrain from it now
  1505.  
  1506. where's zam
  1507. Rriiver Nyile
  1508. 8:54pm
  1509. Rriiver Nyile
  1510.  
  1511. He's coming
  1512. Ricardo Ferreira
  1513. 8:54pm
  1514. Ricardo Ferreira
  1515.  
  1516. did tony talk about this one yet?
  1517. Tony Ngassi
  1518. 8:55pm
  1519. Tony Ngassi
  1520.  
  1521. not yet
  1522. Rriiver Nyile
  1523. 8:55pm
  1524. Rriiver Nyile
  1525.  
  1526. I guess we move on to tony now then
  1527. Ricardo Ferreira
  1528. 8:55pm
  1529. Ricardo Ferreira
  1530.  
  1531. yeah
  1532. Rriiver Nyile
  1533. 8:55pm
  1534. Rriiver Nyile
  1535.  
  1536. sense he isnt here yet
  1537. Tony Ngassi
  1538. 8:55pm
  1539. Tony Ngassi
  1540.  
  1541. hmm
  1542.  
  1543. if Genesect and Lele end up getting banned
  1544.  
  1545. I honestly see the meta slowing down a ton
  1546.  
  1547. and like others mentioned
  1548.  
  1549. we'd get more fat teams
  1550.  
  1551. aka stall and fat balance
  1552.  
  1553. which I don't really like as much
  1554.  
  1555. cuz those games are just not that fun to watch
  1556.  
  1557. and its just about hard countering as much as you can which just leads to matchup issues that we often say in ORAS
  1558.  
  1559. though I didnt play ORAS at all, I watched tour games and I most of them not pleasurable to watch
  1560.  
  1561. so hopefully we avoid that
  1562.  
  1563. but I dont think taht will be case
  1564.  
  1565. I think thats most of what I expect
  1566.  
  1567. oh
  1568.  
  1569. and marshadow is gonna last like 5 days in OU before it gets banend
  1570.  
  1571. shame :(
  1572. Ricardo Ferreira
  1573. 8:58pm
  1574. Ricardo Ferreira
  1575.  
  1576. Better abuse it once it drops
  1577. Tony Ngassi
  1578. 8:59pm
  1579. Tony Ngassi
  1580.  
  1581. cuz good ghost types are pretty lacking in OU
  1582. Ricardo Ferreira
  1583. 8:59pm
  1584. Ricardo Ferreira
  1585.  
  1586. We got some though
  1587. Rriiver Nyile
  1588. 8:59pm
  1589. Rriiver Nyile
  1590.  
  1591. This is a side note
  1592. Ricardo Ferreira
  1593. 8:59pm
  1594. Ricardo Ferreira
  1595.  
  1596. Decidueye isn't bad
  1597. Tony Ngassi
  1598. 8:59pm
  1599. Tony Ngassi
  1600.  
  1601. we have a couple
  1602.  
  1603. but
  1604. Rriiver Nyile
  1605. 8:59pm
  1606. Rriiver Nyile
  1607.  
  1608. Are there any marshadow counters?
  1609. Ricardo Ferreira
  1610. 8:59pm
  1611. Ricardo Ferreira
  1612.  
  1613. Dhelmise has a niche
  1614.  
  1615. No
  1616. Tony Ngassi
  1617. 8:59pm
  1618. Tony Ngassi
  1619.  
  1620. most are pretty niche
  1621.  
  1622. I want more of a staple ghost
  1623.  
  1624. like Gengar
  1625. Ricardo Ferreira
  1626. 9:00pm
  1627. Ricardo Ferreira
  1628.  
  1629. Gengar isn't staple
  1630. Rriiver Nyile
  1631. 9:00pm
  1632. Rriiver Nyile
  1633.  
  1634. Why he wants mor
  1635. Ricardo Ferreira
  1636. 9:00pm
  1637. Ricardo Ferreira
  1638.  
  1639. I've been testing and it's pretty meh
  1640. Rriiver Nyile
  1641. 9:00pm
  1642. Rriiver Nyile
  1643.  
  1644. e
  1645. Ricardo Ferreira
  1646. 9:00pm
  1647. Ricardo Ferreira
  1648.  
  1649. Yeah but marshadow isn't stauing
  1650.  
  1651. *stauing
  1652. Tony Ngassi
  1653. 9:00pm
  1654. Tony Ngassi
  1655.  
  1656. old gengar, not new gengar
  1657. Ricardo Ferreira
  1658. 9:00pm
  1659. Ricardo Ferreira
  1660.  
  1661. Fuck
  1662. Tony Ngassi
  1663. 9:00pm
  1664. Tony Ngassi
  1665.  
  1666. but yeah
  1667. Thanos Tigkas
  1668. 9:00pm
  1669. Thanos Tigkas
  1670.  
  1671. excuse me
  1672. Ricardo Ferreira
  1673. 9:00pm
  1674. Ricardo Ferreira
  1675.  
  1676. Staying
  1677. Thanos Tigkas
  1678. 9:00pm
  1679. Thanos Tigkas
  1680.  
  1681. can we start talking?
  1682.  
  1683. cos i have some things to say :)
  1684. Ricardo Ferreira
  1685. 9:00pm
  1686. Ricardo Ferreira
  1687.  
  1688. I'm not even counting it as a ghost
  1689. Rriiver Nyile
  1690. 9:00pm
  1691. Rriiver Nyile
  1692.  
  1693. In an hour
  1694. Ricardo Ferreira
  1695. 9:01pm
  1696. Ricardo Ferreira
  1697.  
  1698. One question left
  1699. Rriiver Nyile
  1700. 9:01pm
  1701. Rriiver Nyile
  1702.  
  1703. Sure
  1704. Tony Ngassi
  1705. 9:01pm
  1706. Tony Ngassi
  1707.  
  1708. an hour?
  1709.  
  1710. oml
  1711.  
  1712. okay
  1713. Ricardo Ferreira
  1714. 9:01pm
  1715. Ricardo Ferreira
  1716.  
  1717. We're stalling for zam
  1718.  
  1719. Nah
  1720.  
  1721. Probably less
  1722. Thanos Tigkas
  1723. 9:01pm
  1724. Thanos Tigkas
  1725.  
  1726. all i wanted to ask is
  1727.  
  1728. why nobody mentioned
  1729. Rriiver Nyile
  1730. 9:01pm
  1731. Rriiver Nyile
  1732.  
  1733. Yea prob but we have to answer
  1734.  
  1735. Questions
  1736. Thanos Tigkas
  1737. 9:01pm
  1738. Thanos Tigkas
  1739.  
  1740. zard x+z-memento latios
  1741. Ricardo Ferreira
  1742. 9:01pm
  1743. Ricardo Ferreira
  1744.  
  1745. After
  1746. Rriiver Nyile
  1747. 9:01pm
  1748. Rriiver Nyile
  1749.  
  1750. Well we already said z moves are broken
  1751. Ricardo Ferreira
  1752. 9:01pm
  1753. Ricardo Ferreira
  1754.  
  1755. Zam is here
  1756. Rriiver Nyile
  1757. 9:01pm
  1758. Rriiver Nyile
  1759.  
  1760. Go zam
  1761. Zamrock In
  1762. 9:01pm
  1763. Zamrock In
  1764.  
  1765. uhhh
  1766. Tony Ngassi
  1767. 9:01pm
  1768. Tony Ngassi
  1769.  
  1770. havent used it. but it sounds cool.
  1771. Zamrock In
  1772. 9:01pm
  1773. Zamrock In
  1774.  
  1775. what's the q again
  1776. Tony Ngassi
  1777. 9:02pm
  1778. Tony Ngassi
  1779.  
  1780. expectation for SM
  1781. Rriiver Nyile
  1782. 9:02pm
  1783. Rriiver Nyile
  1784.  
  1785. Your expectations of sumo ou
  1786. Cris Smith
  1787. 9:02pm
  1788. Cris Smith
  1789.  
  1790. 5. What do you think about oras ou now that sumo ou is here
  1791. Rriiver Nyile
  1792. 9:02pm
  1793. Rriiver Nyile
  1794.  
  1795. No no
  1796. Cris Smith
  1797. 9:02pm
  1798. Cris Smith
  1799.  
  1800. Oh my bad
  1801. Ricardo Ferreira
  1802. 9:02pm
  1803. Ricardo Ferreira
  1804.  
  1805. Can you guys stop talking
  1806.  
  1807. You'll get your turn
  1808.  
  1809. Dw
  1810. Rriiver Nyile
  1811. 9:02pm
  1812. Rriiver Nyile
  1813.  
  1814. Thats next
  1815. Zamrock In
  1816. 9:02pm
  1817. Zamrock In
  1818.  
  1819. i'll answer this and then i think i gotta dip
  1820. Rriiver Nyile
  1821. 9:02pm
  1822. Rriiver Nyile
  1823.  
  1824. ^
  1825.  
  1826. Np
  1827. Zamrock In
  1828. 9:02pm
  1829. Zamrock In
  1830.  
  1831. cuz starbucks aint open forever
  1832. Ricardo Ferreira
  1833. 9:02pm
  1834. Ricardo Ferreira
  1835.  
  1836. Np
  1837.  
  1838. Bruh
  1839.  
  1840. How much do you spend at starbucka
  1841.  
  1842. *starbucks
  1843. Zamrock In
  1844. 9:03pm
  1845. Zamrock In
  1846.  
  1847. $8
  1848.  
  1849. worth every penny
  1850.  
  1851. anyways.
  1852.  
  1853. im honestly not sure what to expect
  1854.  
  1855. if you are talking in terms of tier shifting
  1856.  
  1857. it'll depend on what gets suspected and seeing if gamefreak would benefit us w/ more megas than they currently do right now
  1858.  
  1859. ok i saw marshadow was talked about already
  1860.  
  1861. that im not evevn if it'll go or not
  1862.  
  1863. but it'll effect the meta heavility because of it's godlike offensive typing + it can steal away ur SD or w/e if something tries setting up
  1864.  
  1865. cuzz of it's new move
  1866. Tony Ngassi
  1867. 9:06pm
  1868. Tony Ngassi
  1869.  
  1870. Spectral Thief
  1871. Zamrock In
  1872. 9:06pm
  1873. Zamrock In
  1874.  
  1875. i feel like there is nothing else to really expect bar that mon because after just playign the tier for about a month
  1876.  
  1877. it already seems like it's settled and we wont get some godlike sets until SPL comes around to introduce new broken shit
  1878.  
  1879. rn i just see the tier following just fine as of now with the tapus, UBs, and the other limited toys that we were provided with to make the tier balance itself out
  1880.  
  1881. not the most creative response but that is how i see things
  1882.  
  1883. ill pass it to whoever is next
  1884.  
  1885. i gotta dip
  1886. Ricardo Ferreira
  1887. 9:08pm
  1888. Ricardo Ferreira
  1889.  
  1890. Question 5
  1891. Zamrock In
  1892. 9:08pm
  1893. Zamrock In
  1894.  
  1895. hope i contributed enough.
  1896. Ricardo Ferreira
  1897. 9:08pm
  1898. Ricardo Ferreira
  1899.  
  1900. See you soon dude
  1901.  
  1902. You did
  1903. Rriiver Nyile
  1904. 9:08pm
  1905. Rriiver Nyile
  1906.  
  1907. 5. What do you think about oras ou now that sumo ou is here
  1908.  
  1909. Thx zam
  1910. Ricardo Ferreira
  1911. 9:08pm
  1912. Ricardo Ferreira
  1913.  
  1914. More than enough
  1915. Rriiver Nyile
  1916. 9:08pm
  1917. Rriiver Nyile
  1918.  
  1919. Before we answer this
  1920. Zamrock In
  1921. 9:08pm
  1922. Zamrock In
  1923.  
  1924. np, i'll see u2 on discord
  1925.  
  1926. pce to every1 else
  1927. Ricardo Ferreira
  1928. 9:08pm
  1929. Ricardo Ferreira
  1930.  
  1931. Definitely
  1932. Cris Smith
  1933. 9:08pm
  1934. Cris Smith
  1935.  
  1936. Peace thanks
  1937. Rriiver Nyile
  1938. 9:08pm
  1939. Rriiver Nyile
  1940.  
  1941. Im gonna grant 10 minute break
  1942.  
  1943. and give everyone that wants to ask question
  1944.  
  1945. To go comment your question
  1946.  
  1947. On the post u signed up on
  1948. Cris Smith
  1949. 9:09pm
  1950. Cris Smith
  1951.  
  1952. On post or here?
  1953. Ricardo Ferreira
  1954. 9:09pm
  1955. Ricardo Ferreira
  1956.  
  1957. Comment on the post
  1958. Cris Smith
  1959. 9:09pm
  1960. Cris Smith
  1961.  
  1962. Nvm
  1963. Rriiver Nyile
  1964. 9:09pm
  1965. Rriiver Nyile
  1966.  
  1967. Ill link just a min
  1968.  
  1969. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1283630655029515
  1970.  
  1971. 5 most liked comments we will respond to
  1972.  
  1973. others u can privately pm us
  1974. Ricardo Ferreira
  1975. 9:11pm
  1976. Ricardo Ferreira
  1977.  
  1978. Yeah, i'll gladly talk with anyone that pm's me with a question
  1979. Rriiver Nyile
  1980. 9:13pm
  1981. Rriiver Nyile
  1982.  
  1983. We will restart at 9:20 est
  1984. Rriiver Nyile
  1985. 9:20pm
  1986. Rriiver Nyile
  1987.  
  1988. Again dont forgot to vote
  1989.  
  1990. Alright, lets get into the final main question
  1991. Ricardo Ferreira
  1992. 9:20pm
  1993. Ricardo Ferreira
  1994.  
  1995. Paste the question btw
  1996. Rriiver Nyile
  1997. 9:20pm
  1998. Rriiver Nyile
  1999.  
  2000. 5. What do you think about oras ou now that sumo ou is here
  2001. Ricardo Ferreira
  2002. 9:20pm
  2003. Ricardo Ferreira
  2004.  
  2005. Easier for people to read after
  2006. Rriiver Nyile
  2007. 9:20pm
  2008. Rriiver Nyile
  2009.  
  2010. Ill go first
  2011.  
  2012. I am glad clefable is not a thing im glad I don't have to use to face t wave on every mon
  2013.  
  2014. I am glad keldeo isnt spamming focus blast and scald
  2015.  
  2016. Everywhere
  2017.  
  2018. I am glad I dont have to fret about bisharps counters anymore
  2019.  
  2020. I am glad clefable isnt around
  2021.  
  2022. Haha.
  2023.  
  2024. Done.
  2025. Ricardo Ferreira
  2026. 9:22pm
  2027. Ricardo Ferreira
  2028.  
  2029. Tony do you have opinion on oras?
  2030. Rriiver Nyile
  2031. 9:22pm
  2032. Rriiver Nyile
  2033.  
  2034. Go Ricardo
  2035. Ricardo Ferreira
  2036. 9:22pm
  2037. Ricardo Ferreira
  2038.  
  2039. Wait
  2040. Rriiver Nyile
  2041. 9:22pm
  2042. Rriiver Nyile
  2043.  
  2044. Oh ok
  2045. Ricardo Ferreira
  2046. 9:22pm
  2047. Ricardo Ferreira
  2048.  
  2049. If Tony has an opinion it's going to be a short one
  2050.  
  2051. Let him go first
  2052. Tony Ngassi
  2053. 9:23pm
  2054. Tony Ngassi
  2055.  
  2056. yeah
  2057.  
  2058. my opinion of ORAS from just watching it, seemed like fat balance vs balance most of the time
  2059.  
  2060. at least thats all I saw in tour games
  2061.  
  2062. I dont really know much else since I didnt play it but that doesnt seem fun to me
  2063.  
  2064. and I prefer SM as of right now
  2065.  
  2066. thats all I got
  2067. Ricardo Ferreira
  2068. 9:24pm
  2069. Ricardo Ferreira
  2070.  
  2071. Ok
  2072.  
  2073. Well
  2074.  
  2075. Fuck oras
  2076. Rriiver Nyile
  2077. 9:24pm
  2078. Rriiver Nyile
  2079.  
  2080. 😂😂
  2081.  
  2082. 🙌🙌🙌
  2083.  
  2084. Im so dead
  2085. Ricardo Ferreira
  2086. 9:25pm
  2087. Ricardo Ferreira
  2088.  
  2089. oras had so much broken shit but that couldn't be banned for a certain reason
  2090.  
  2091. t wave
  2092.  
  2093. scald
  2094.  
  2095. clef
  2096.  
  2097. duggy
  2098.  
  2099. voltturn
  2100.  
  2101. pursuit
  2102.  
  2103. all these borked elements of the meta
  2104.  
  2105. most of them couldn't be banned
  2106.  
  2107. zarel and chaos are against banning moves
  2108.  
  2109. so that option was out the window
  2110.  
  2111. the meta was super luck based with t wave and scald on every team
  2112.  
  2113. you had broken core like keldeo + pursuit but you couldn't do anything about it since none of them were broken enough by themselves
  2114.  
  2115. *cores
  2116.  
  2117. voltturn teams were too much for the meta imo
  2118.  
  2119. voltturn + specs latios/band tar/medi
  2120.  
  2121. it was a game of countering
  2122.  
  2123. that only made the meta more matchup reliant
  2124.  
  2125. fucking bp was revived
  2126.  
  2127. people are only dealing with bp now but late oras was full with bp madness
  2128.  
  2129. thanks to me and rriiver lmao
  2130.  
  2131. it was just a bad meta
  2132.  
  2133. stale as fuck
  2134.  
  2135. super luck based
  2136.  
  2137. sm isn't near the level of cancer oras was
  2138.  
  2139. that's not to say i like sm, i don't like sm but it's definitely better than oras in the sense that there is more diversity
  2140.  
  2141. and not nearly as luck based
  2142.  
  2143. anyway
  2144.  
  2145. on with the questions
  2146. Rriiver Nyile
  2147. 9:30pm
  2148. Rriiver Nyile
  2149.  
  2150. yea um
  2151. Rriiver Nyile
  2152. 9:30pm
  2153. Rriiver Nyile
  2154.  
  2155. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1283630655029515
  2156. ~~~~~~~COMMENT BELOW TO BE ADDED TO CHAT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This will be a town hall like discussion for sumo ou. The respected members of this group will discuss those topics without interruption. Those Topics Would Be: 1. What are your thoughts on the current ou metagame 2. What needs to be suspected 3. What is the best mega and mon in ou atm 4. What are your expectations for sumo ou 5. What do you think about oras ou now that sumo ou is here Comment as well a topic you would like us to discuss and if it gets a nice amount of likes we will happily add. Hopefully you guys enjoy :] Happy Holidays As Well! Time: 7-10 PM EST DECEMBER 26TH Where: Facebook Group Chat How To Join: Comment Below To Be Added
  2157. Rriiver Nyile
  2158. Rriiver Nyile
  2159. 9:31pm
  2160. Rriiver Nyile
  2161.  
  2162. Hurry up and vote
  2163. Ricardo Ferreira
  2164. 9:31pm
  2165. Ricardo Ferreira
  2166.  
  2167. We don't have that many
  2168. Rriiver Nyile
  2169. 9:31pm
  2170. Rriiver Nyile
  2171.  
  2172. Gonna wait 5 minutes
  2173. Tony Ngassi
  2174. 9:31pm
  2175. Tony Ngassi
  2176.  
  2177. I can feel the love for ORAS coming from Ricardo
  2178. Rriiver Nyile
  2179. 9:31pm
  2180. Rriiver Nyile
  2181.  
  2182. for votes for their favorite
  2183. Ricardo Ferreira
  2184. 9:31pm
  2185. Ricardo Ferreira
  2186.  
  2187. I think we can afford to answer all of them
  2188. Rriiver Nyile
  2189. 9:31pm
  2190. Rriiver Nyile
  2191.  
  2192. You guys got time?
  2193. Tony Ngassi
  2194. 9:31pm
  2195. Tony Ngassi
  2196.  
  2197. i have time
  2198. Rriiver Nyile
  2199. 9:31pm
  2200. Rriiver Nyile
  2201.  
  2202. Ight
  2203. Ricardo Ferreira
  2204. 9:31pm
  2205. Ricardo Ferreira
  2206.  
  2207. I have time
  2208. Rriiver Nyile
  2209. 9:31pm
  2210. Rriiver Nyile
  2211.  
  2212. Still wanna wait
  2213.  
  2214. For votes
  2215. Ricardo Ferreira
  2216. 9:31pm
  2217. Ricardo Ferreira
  2218.  
  2219. Paste the questions here btw
  2220. Rriiver Nyile
  2221. 9:32pm
  2222. Rriiver Nyile
  2223.  
  2224. So we can go with best ones
  2225. Ricardo Ferreira
  2226. 9:32pm
  2227. Ricardo Ferreira
  2228.  
  2229. Fuck votes
  2230. Rriiver Nyile
  2231. 9:32pm
  2232. Rriiver Nyile
  2233.  
  2234. Ight
  2235. Ricardo Ferreira
  2236. 9:32pm
  2237. Ricardo Ferreira
  2238.  
  2239. Let's do in order
  2240. Tony Ngassi
  2241. 9:32pm
  2242. Tony Ngassi
  2243.  
  2244. Isaiah Robinson What was busted early sumo but you eventually developed checks and counters to. what are those checks and counters?
  2245.  
  2246. first one
  2247. Ricardo Ferreira
  2248. 9:33pm
  2249. Ricardo Ferreira
  2250.  
  2251. Well
  2252.  
  2253. Pheromosa is the first that comes to mind
  2254. Tony Ngassi
  2255. 9:33pm
  2256. Tony Ngassi
  2257.  
  2258. I would say Pheromosa
  2259. Ricardo Ferreira
  2260. 9:33pm
  2261. Ricardo Ferreira
  2262.  
  2263. It's still fucking stupid
  2264.  
  2265. But it's not the monster it once was
  2266. Tony Ngassi
  2267. 9:33pm
  2268. Tony Ngassi
  2269.  
  2270. ^
  2271. Rriiver Nyile
  2272. 9:33pm
  2273. Rriiver Nyile
  2274.  
  2275. Id say nothing cause i didn't think phermosa still be here lololol
  2276. Ricardo Ferreira
  2277. 9:33pm
  2278. Ricardo Ferreira
  2279.  
  2280. People aren't saying"no pheromosa" in smogtours anymore
  2281.  
  2282. I think we're doing a good job at keeping it in check somehow
  2283.  
  2284. Marowak, venusaur, toxapex, pelipper, Mantine, buzzwole
  2285. Rriiver Nyile
  2286. 9:34pm
  2287. Rriiver Nyile
  2288.  
  2289. I dont think venu
  2290.  
  2291. Is reliable
  2292. Tony Ngassi
  2293. 9:35pm
  2294. Tony Ngassi
  2295.  
  2296. Fini can check if you play around P-Jab as well
  2297. Ricardo Ferreira
  2298. 9:35pm
  2299. Ricardo Ferreira
  2300.  
  2301. Why not?
  2302.  
  2303. No one runs band anymore
  2304. Rriiver Nyile
  2305. 9:35pm
  2306. Rriiver Nyile
  2307.  
  2308. Cause it gets constantly u turned on
  2309.  
  2310. With no recovery
  2311. Ricardo Ferreira
  2312. 9:35pm
  2313. Ricardo Ferreira
  2314.  
  2315. It's not like it's taking 30 from u turn
  2316.  
  2317. It has synthesys
  2318. Rriiver Nyile
  2319. 9:35pm
  2320. Rriiver Nyile
  2321.  
  2322. It takes still 25 lol
  2323.  
  2324. But u u turn
  2325.  
  2326. Go like lele or tran
  2327.  
  2328. Force it out
  2329.  
  2330. Or go ttar and stop it from healing
  2331. Ricardo Ferreira
  2332. 9:36pm
  2333. Ricardo Ferreira
  2334.  
  2335. You're taking rocks though
  2336.  
  2337. No one uses tar though
  2338. Rriiver Nyile
  2339. 9:36pm
  2340. Rriiver Nyile
  2341.  
  2342. I just would not recommend venu
  2343.  
  2344. Assuming u can get em up
  2345. Ricardo Ferreira
  2346. 9:36pm
  2347. Ricardo Ferreira
  2348.  
  2349. There's no sand to fuck it
  2350. Rriiver Nyile
  2351. 9:36pm
  2352. Rriiver Nyile
  2353.  
  2354. Anyway, only reliable mosa counter is toxapex imo
  2355.  
  2356. Others can get pressured
  2357.  
  2358. By rocks
  2359.  
  2360. or pursuit
  2361. Ricardo Ferreira
  2362. 9:36pm
  2363. Ricardo Ferreira
  2364.  
  2365. I was talking about checks
  2366. Rriiver Nyile
  2367. 9:36pm
  2368. Rriiver Nyile
  2369.  
  2370. Yea
  2371.  
  2372. I know
  2373. Ricardo Ferreira
  2374. 9:36pm
  2375. Ricardo Ferreira
  2376.  
  2377. Not just counters
  2378. Rriiver Nyile
  2379. 9:36pm
  2380. Rriiver Nyile
  2381.  
  2382. Just giving my input
  2383. Ricardo Ferreira
  2384. 9:37pm
  2385. Ricardo Ferreira
  2386.  
  2387. I know
  2388. Rriiver Nyile
  2389. 9:37pm
  2390. Rriiver Nyile
  2391.  
  2392. Alright next question?
  2393. Ricardo Ferreira
  2394. 9:37pm
  2395. Ricardo Ferreira
  2396.  
  2397. It can be played around but still a huge threat
  2398.  
  2399. Um
  2400. Rriiver Nyile
  2401. 9:37pm
  2402. Rriiver Nyile
  2403.  
  2404. Hm?
  2405. Tony Ngassi
  2406. 9:37pm
  2407. Tony Ngassi
  2408.  
  2409. lemme look
  2410. Ricardo Ferreira
  2411. 9:37pm
  2412. Ricardo Ferreira
  2413.  
  2414. Found it
  2415. Rriiver Nyile
  2416. 9:37pm
  2417. Rriiver Nyile
  2418.  
  2419. You still got something to say?
  2420.  
  2421. I got amirs
  2422.  
  2423. He asked
  2424.  
  2425. Preferred play style
  2426. Ricardo Ferreira
  2427. 9:38pm
  2428. Ricardo Ferreira
  2429.  
  2430. Bo
  2431. Rriiver Nyile
  2432. 9:38pm
  2433. Rriiver Nyile
  2434.  
  2435. Bo
  2436. Tony Ngassi
  2437. 9:38pm
  2438. Tony Ngassi
  2439.  
  2440. Bulky Offense
  2441. Ricardo Ferreira
  2442. 9:38pm
  2443. Ricardo Ferreira
  2444.  
  2445. Only playstyle with room to outplay everything
  2446. Tony Ngassi
  2447. 9:38pm
  2448. Tony Ngassi
  2449.  
  2450. its the most reliable at the moment
  2451. Ricardo Ferreira
  2452. 9:38pm
  2453. Ricardo Ferreira
  2454.  
  2455. Most diverse playstyle
  2456. Rriiver Nyile
  2457. 9:38pm
  2458. Rriiver Nyile
  2459.  
  2460. More diverse then this opinion lolol
  2461. Tony Ngassi
  2462. 9:39pm
  2463. Tony Ngassi
  2464.  
  2465. Facts.
  2466. Rriiver Nyile
  2467. 9:39pm
  2468. Rriiver Nyile
  2469.  
  2470. Alright next is favorite core
  2471. Tony Ngassi
  2472. 9:39pm
  2473. Tony Ngassi
  2474.  
  2475. Lele Zam is a good one
  2476. Ricardo Ferreira
  2477. 9:40pm
  2478. Ricardo Ferreira
  2479.  
  2480. Psychic spam
  2481.  
  2482. I'd say
  2483. Rriiver Nyile
  2484. 9:40pm
  2485. Rriiver Nyile
  2486.  
  2487. Phermosa + A Balance Breaker
  2488.  
  2489. Like lele char y metagross
  2490. Ricardo Ferreira
  2491. 9:40pm
  2492. Ricardo Ferreira
  2493.  
  2494. Mine is spdef jirachi + specs ash greninja
  2495.  
  2496. I turn on Heatran and lando and bring in greninja
  2497. Tony Ngassi
  2498. 9:41pm
  2499. Tony Ngassi
  2500.  
  2501. yeh same
  2502.  
  2503. I just really like Rachi
  2504.  
  2505. this gen
  2506. Ricardo Ferreira
  2507. 9:41pm
  2508. Ricardo Ferreira
  2509.  
  2510. It also prevents fini from defogging so greninja pressures it a lot more
  2511.  
  2512. I love spdef jirachi
  2513. Rriiver Nyile
  2514. 9:41pm
  2515. Rriiver Nyile
  2516.  
  2517. Alright jase asked Mega Gyara or Mega Metagross
  2518. Ricardo Ferreira
  2519. 9:41pm
  2520. Ricardo Ferreira
  2521.  
  2522. Next question
  2523.  
  2524. Gross
  2525. Rriiver Nyile
  2526. 9:41pm
  2527. Rriiver Nyile
  2528.  
  2529. I think he was intoxicated when he asked
  2530. Tony Ngassi
  2531. 9:41pm
  2532. Tony Ngassi
  2533.  
  2534. Mega Metagross
  2535. Rriiver Nyile
  2536. 9:41pm
  2537. Rriiver Nyile
  2538.  
  2539. Gross
  2540. Ricardo Ferreira
  2541. 9:42pm
  2542. Ricardo Ferreira
  2543.  
  2544. Fat grasses are still common
  2545.  
  2546. Scarf genesect and pheromosa revenge gyara
  2547. Rriiver Nyile
  2548. 9:42pm
  2549. Rriiver Nyile
  2550.  
  2551. Phermosa without scarf
  2552.  
  2553. Revevnges lololol
  2554. Ricardo Ferreira
  2555. 9:42pm
  2556. Ricardo Ferreira
  2557.  
  2558. Next question
  2559. Rriiver Nyile
  2560. 9:42pm
  2561. Rriiver Nyile
  2562.  
  2563. Was mega eye ban a meme ban
  2564.  
  2565. From jase
  2566. Ricardo Ferreira
  2567. 9:43pm
  2568. Ricardo Ferreira
  2569.  
  2570. It was more of a community bam
  2571.  
  2572. *ban
  2573. Tony Ngassi
  2574. 9:43pm
  2575. Tony Ngassi
  2576.  
  2577. I dont really have much of an opinion on this
  2578. Ricardo Ferreira
  2579. 9:43pm
  2580. Ricardo Ferreira
  2581.  
  2582. Sableye wasn't as broken as duggy
  2583.  
  2584. But the council haHA
  2585. Rriiver Nyile
  2586. 9:43pm
  2587. Rriiver Nyile
  2588.  
  2589. I agree was community ban
  2590.  
  2591. Im not gonna enjoy hazards all over the place now in smog tour
  2592.  
  2593. Its literally gonna be bw2 with megas
  2594.  
  2595. and fairies
  2596. Ricardo Ferreira
  2597. 9:44pm
  2598. Ricardo Ferreira
  2599.  
  2600. Pretty much
  2601.  
  2602. Next question
  2603. Rriiver Nyile
  2604. 9:45pm
  2605. Rriiver Nyile
  2606.  
  2607. Last question from jas
  2608.  
  2609. e
  2610.  
  2611. How u feeel about the oras metagame
  2612. Ricardo Ferreira
  2613. 9:45pm
  2614. Ricardo Ferreira
  2615.  
  2616. We already talked about this one
  2617. Rriiver Nyile
  2618. 9:45pm
  2619. Rriiver Nyile
  2620.  
  2621. Well i think we already expressed strong opinions about
  2622.  
  2623. It so yea
  2624.  
  2625. Move on
  2626.  
  2627. Oh he has another lolol
  2628.  
  2629. Trick room
  2630.  
  2631. Whats ur thoughts on it
  2632.  
  2633. He asks
  2634. Ricardo Ferreira
  2635. 9:45pm
  2636. Ricardo Ferreira
  2637.  
  2638. It's better but still niche
  2639. Tony Ngassi
  2640. 9:45pm
  2641. Tony Ngassi
  2642.  
  2643. its anti meta
  2644. Rriiver Nyile
  2645. 9:46pm
  2646. Rriiver Nyile
  2647.  
  2648. It be great if it got an extender
  2649. Ricardo Ferreira
  2650. 9:46pm
  2651. Ricardo Ferreira
  2652.  
  2653. We got a lot of fat slow attackers
  2654.  
  2655. It would be broken
  2656. Rriiver Nyile
  2657. 9:46pm
  2658. Rriiver Nyile
  2659.  
  2660. That we have been waiting for
  2661. Tony Ngassi
  2662. 9:46pm
  2663. Tony Ngassi
  2664.  
  2665. yeah Marowak under TR
  2666. Rriiver Nyile
  2667. 9:46pm
  2668. Rriiver Nyile
  2669.  
  2670. It be actually viable
  2671. Tony Ngassi
  2672. 9:46pm
  2673. Tony Ngassi
  2674.  
  2675. is such a pain in the ass
  2676.  
  2677. to deal wtih
  2678. Ricardo Ferreira
  2679. 9:46pm
  2680. Ricardo Ferreira
  2681.  
  2682. But there are mons that trouble it
  2683. Rriiver Nyile
  2684. 9:46pm
  2685. Rriiver Nyile
  2686.  
  2687. Yea
  2688. Ricardo Ferreira
  2689. 9:46pm
  2690. Ricardo Ferreira
  2691.  
  2692. Marowak is a pain for tr
  2693.  
  2694. It's more reliable than last gen though
  2695.  
  2696. I'd actually consider using it for a tour now
  2697.  
  2698. Next question
  2699.  
  2700. Another jase question
  2701. Rriiver Nyile
  2702. 9:48pm
  2703. Rriiver Nyile
  2704.  
  2705. Let me scroll
  2706.  
  2707. Yep.
  2708. Tony Ngassi
  2709. 9:48pm
  2710. Tony Ngassi
  2711.  
  2712. I got one
  2713. Ricardo Ferreira
  2714. 9:48pm
  2715. Ricardo Ferreira
  2716.  
  2717. Jase Urlea I want to know what you guys think how magenta will develop in the meta in the future
  2718. Tony Ngassi
  2719. 9:48pm
  2720. Tony Ngassi
  2721.  
  2722. Magearna
  2723.  
  2724. right?
  2725. Ricardo Ferreira
  2726. 9:48pm
  2727. Ricardo Ferreira
  2728.  
  2729. Yes
  2730. Rriiver Nyile
  2731. 9:48pm
  2732. Rriiver Nyile
  2733.  
  2734. Ye
  2735. Tony Ngassi
  2736. 9:48pm
  2737. Tony Ngassi
  2738.  
  2739. uhh
  2740.  
  2741. I think if the meta slows that
  2742. Rriiver Nyile
  2743. 9:48pm
  2744. Rriiver Nyile
  2745.  
  2746. Its less broken then it was early
  2747. Tony Ngassi
  2748. 9:48pm
  2749. Tony Ngassi
  2750.  
  2751. sets like AV and specs will be more ideal
  2752. Rriiver Nyile
  2753. 9:48pm
  2754. Rriiver Nyile
  2755.  
  2756. It was so annoying early when no one knew wtf to expect
  2757. Ricardo Ferreira
  2758. 9:49pm
  2759. Ricardo Ferreira
  2760.  
  2761. It's just a bit too slow for shift gear
  2762.  
  2763. A lot of common scarfers can revenge it
  2764.  
  2765. I like av though
  2766.  
  2767. Great pivot with volt
  2768.  
  2769. It also hits hard with 394 sp atk
  2770.  
  2771. Jesus typing
  2772.  
  2773. Good bulk
  2774.  
  2775. Specs is fun but i didn't like using it
  2776.  
  2777. You're going to fall back on it a lot of the time to tank shit it can't
  2778.  
  2779. And fairy steel is kind of meh offensively
  2780.  
  2781. It can put some dents in teams but not the best set
  2782.  
  2783. Av is the best imo
  2784.  
  2785. Next question
  2786.  
  2787. Cement MixerJohnson Ok so I thought I'd ask about banning policy concerning z moves seeing as you guys are looking for questions. If a pokemon is broken with a zmove, but not without it, do you ban the zmove or the pokemon as a whole?
  2788.  
  2789. I like this one
  2790. Tony Ngassi
  2791. 9:52pm
  2792. Tony Ngassi
  2793.  
  2794. well thats somethign that came up today on Policy talk
  2795. Ricardo Ferreira
  2796. 9:52pm
  2797. Ricardo Ferreira
  2798.  
  2799. Yeah
  2800.  
  2801. Well
  2802. Tony Ngassi
  2803. 9:52pm
  2804. Tony Ngassi
  2805.  
  2806. pretty much we're trying to figure out if the current tiering philosphy is good enough
  2807. Ricardo Ferreira
  2808. 9:53pm
  2809. Ricardo Ferreira
  2810.  
  2811. Z moves are though
  2812. Tony Ngassi
  2813. 9:53pm
  2814. Tony Ngassi
  2815.  
  2816. to account for Z moves
  2817. Ricardo Ferreira
  2818. 9:53pm
  2819. Ricardo Ferreira
  2820.  
  2821. Only some of them are broken
  2822. Tony Ngassi
  2823. 9:53pm
  2824. Tony Ngassi
  2825.  
  2826. personally I think a few of them are broken
  2827. Ricardo Ferreira
  2828. 9:53pm
  2829. Ricardo Ferreira
  2830.  
  2831. Some are only broken on certain mons
  2832.  
  2833. Some mons are only broken Because of them
  2834.  
  2835. It's a clusterfuck
  2836. Tony Ngassi
  2837. 9:54pm
  2838. Tony Ngassi
  2839.  
  2840. yeah if we do end up having to ban it later, it will be messy cuz its either ban all of them
  2841.  
  2842. or ban certain ones
  2843. Ricardo Ferreira
  2844. 9:54pm
  2845. Ricardo Ferreira
  2846.  
  2847. The best option is a perfect world would just complex ban on the more specific cases
  2848.  
  2849. *in
  2850.  
  2851. But we would never do that
  2852.  
  2853. It would fuck our heads
  2854.  
  2855. And smogon hates complex bans
  2856.  
  2857. They either ban every z move or ban the mon since the z move is just a part of the mon
  2858.  
  2859. Or ban a specific z move if it's broken on everything that gets it
  2860. Rriiver Nyile
  2861. 9:55pm
  2862. Rriiver Nyile
  2863.  
  2864. Just ban all z moves
  2865. Ricardo Ferreira
  2866. 9:55pm
  2867. Ricardo Ferreira
  2868.  
  2869. I'd like to go with every z move
  2870.  
  2871. Yeah
  2872.  
  2873. It's an unhealthy element if the game imo
  2874.  
  2875. Even the not broken ones are stupid
  2876. Rriiver Nyile
  2877. 9:56pm
  2878. Rriiver Nyile
  2879.  
  2880. The bad ones arent used so who cares and the good ones are to much so remove them the simple way to do it is just get rid of em all
  2881. Ricardo Ferreira
  2882. 9:56pm
  2883. Ricardo Ferreira
  2884.  
  2885. Like z dd terrakion
  2886.  
  2887. It's not broken
  2888.  
  2889. But stupid
  2890.  
  2891. Kills lando after rocks
  2892. Rriiver Nyile
  2893. 9:57pm
  2894. Rriiver Nyile
  2895.  
  2896. Cause of
  2897.  
  2898. Z moves
  2899. Ricardo Ferreira
  2900. 9:57pm
  2901. Ricardo Ferreira
  2902.  
  2903. Bloom doom tornadus
  2904.  
  2905. Goodbye rotom
  2906. Rriiver Nyile
  2907. 9:57pm
  2908. Rriiver Nyile
  2909.  
  2910. Alot of bad mons like mence,porygon,terrakion isnt that bad
  2911. Ricardo Ferreira
  2912. 9:57pm
  2913. Ricardo Ferreira
  2914.  
  2915. Sandstorm Chomp breaking sand veil again
  2916. Rriiver Nyile
  2917. 9:57pm
  2918. Rriiver Nyile
  2919.  
  2920. But are pretty stupid cause of
  2921.  
  2922. Z moves
  2923. Ricardo Ferreira
  2924. 9:58pm
  2925. Ricardo Ferreira
  2926.  
  2927. The most probable solution is banning the mon that is broken with the z move
  2928.  
  2929. I don't think it's the right one though
  2930.  
  2931. But chaos won't allow the ban of a whole mechanic
  2932. Tony Ngassi
  2933. 9:59pm
  2934. Tony Ngassi
  2935.  
  2936. yeah but we'll see how things pan out with discussions on forums
  2937.  
  2938. I think banning all is the best route
  2939.  
  2940. but who knows at this point
  2941. Ricardo Ferreira
  2942. 10:00pm
  2943. Ricardo Ferreira
  2944.  
  2945. Everything is possible with this council
  2946.  
  2947. Next question
  2948. Ricardo Ferreira
  2949. 10:00pm
  2950. Ricardo Ferreira
  2951.  
  2952. Jason-William Glenister If genesect does indeed get banned with the current suspect test, how will sun and moon OU change as a metagame ? Will specific pokemon or teams themselves be anymore viable than they are currently ? Will we see new niches arise as a result of said suspect in banning gensect ?
  2953. Rriiver Nyile
  2954. 10:00pm
  2955. Rriiver Nyile
  2956.  
  2957. Wait wait
  2958.  
  2959. Cement
  2960. Ricardo Ferreira
  2961. 10:00pm
  2962. Ricardo Ferreira
  2963.  
  2964. I think we adressed this whole question on the genesect talk
  2965. Rriiver Nyile
  2966. 10:00pm
  2967. Rriiver Nyile
  2968.  
  2969. Did u get enough lele
  2970. Cement MixerJohnson
  2971. 10:00pm
  2972. Cement MixerJohnson
  2973.  
  2974. YEah?
  2975. Rriiver Nyile
  2976. 10:00pm
  2977. Rriiver Nyile
  2978.  
  2979. Talk?
  2980. Cement MixerJohnson
  2981. 10:00pm
  2982. Cement MixerJohnson
  2983.  
  2984. Oh yeah I think so.
  2985. Rriiver Nyile
  2986. 10:00pm
  2987. Rriiver Nyile
  2988.  
  2989. Kk
  2990.  
  2991. The lets do jason
  2992.  
  2993. *then
  2994. Cement MixerJohnson
  2995. 10:01pm
  2996. Cement MixerJohnson
  2997.  
  2998. It's been spread out but you guys addressed all the upcoming suspects throughout the talk.
  2999. Rriiver Nyile
  3000. 10:01pm
  3001. Rriiver Nyile
  3002.  
  3003. Ill be playing bw2 alot more
  3004. Ricardo Ferreira
  3005. 10:01pm
  3006. Ricardo Ferreira
  3007.  
  3008. Ah
  3009. Rriiver Nyile
  3010. 10:01pm
  3011. Rriiver Nyile
  3012.  
  3013. If sect goes
  3014. Ricardo Ferreira
  3015. 10:01pm
  3016. Ricardo Ferreira
  3017.  
  3018. lol
  3019. Rriiver Nyile
  3020. 10:01pm
  3021. Rriiver Nyile
  3022.  
  3023. And just play sumo when i have to play for spl
  3024. Ricardo Ferreira
  3025. 10:02pm
  3026. Ricardo Ferreira
  3027.  
  3028. Yeah, we answered jason's whole question
  3029.  
  3030. I'll dedicate to sm in spl
  3031.  
  3032. Or pull a ctc in oras
  3033. Rriiver Nyile
  3034. 10:02pm
  3035. Rriiver Nyile
  3036.  
  3037. Lolol
  3038. Tony Ngassi
  3039. 10:02pm
  3040. Tony Ngassi
  3041.  
  3042. LOL
  3043. Ricardo Ferreira
  3044. 10:02pm
  3045. Ricardo Ferreira
  3046.  
  3047. *ctc vs conflict
  3048.  
  3049. Anyway
  3050.  
  3051. Cris Smith Is there any megas that will get a tier bump that wasn't as viable before but could be now?
  3052. Tony Ngassi
  3053. 10:03pm
  3054. Tony Ngassi
  3055.  
  3056. hmm
  3057. Ricardo Ferreira
  3058. 10:03pm
  3059. Ricardo Ferreira
  3060.  
  3061. Zard y will become better if offensive threats keep getting suspected and banned
  3062. Tony Ngassi
  3063. 10:03pm
  3064. Tony Ngassi
  3065.  
  3066. I think Mega Slowbro might see more use if Genesect goes
  3067. Rriiver Nyile
  3068. 10:04pm
  3069. Rriiver Nyile
  3070.  
  3071. Oh god
  3072.  
  3073. I do think it will be used
  3074.  
  3075. But offensive
  3076.  
  3077. Not cm
  3078. Ricardo Ferreira
  3079. 10:04pm
  3080. Ricardo Ferreira
  3081.  
  3082. Sableye will become better for reasons adressed before
  3083. Rriiver Nyile
  3084. 10:04pm
  3085. Rriiver Nyile
  3086.  
  3087. Cause that isnt pulling off a sweep
  3088. Ricardo Ferreira
  3089. 10:04pm
  3090. Ricardo Ferreira
  3091.  
  3092. Fat becoming better, etc
  3093. Rriiver Nyile
  3094. 10:04pm
  3095. Rriiver Nyile
  3096.  
  3097. Anymore
  3098.  
  3099. Like fire blast
  3100. Ricardo Ferreira
  3101. 10:04pm
  3102. Ricardo Ferreira
  3103.  
  3104. Not with Hoopa, koko, bulu
  3105. Rriiver Nyile
  3106. 10:04pm
  3107. Rriiver Nyile
  3108.  
  3109. Scald
  3110.  
  3111. Psychic
  3112.  
  3113. Slack
  3114. Off
  3115. Ricardo Ferreira
  3116. 10:05pm
  3117. Ricardo Ferreira
  3118.  
  3119. Nice Balance breaker
  3120. Rriiver Nyile
  3121. 10:05pm
  3122. Rriiver Nyile
  3123.  
  3124. Hue
  3125. Ricardo Ferreira
  3126. 10:05pm
  3127. Ricardo Ferreira
  3128.  
  3129. It will force toxic again
  3130. Rriiver Nyile
  3131. 10:05pm
  3132. Rriiver Nyile
  3133.  
  3134. Ight next
  3135. Tony Ngassi
  3136. 10:05pm
  3137. Tony Ngassi
  3138.  
  3139. should we open up to discussion
  3140.  
  3141. ?
  3142. Ricardo Ferreira
  3143. 10:05pm
  3144. Ricardo Ferreira
  3145.  
  3146. Thanos Tigkas Opinions on tapu koko? this dude basically took the place of the other electrics like raikou and thundurus , why do u think this happened?
  3147. Rriiver Nyile
  3148. 10:06pm
  3149. Rriiver Nyile
  3150.  
  3151. After we done
  3152. Ricardo Ferreira
  3153. 10:06pm
  3154. Ricardo Ferreira
  3155.  
  3156. Hm
  3157. Tony Ngassi
  3158. 10:06pm
  3159. Tony Ngassi
  3160.  
  3161. oh
  3162. Rriiver Nyile
  3163. 10:06pm
  3164. Rriiver Nyile
  3165.  
  3166. Answering
  3167. Ricardo Ferreira
  3168. 10:06pm
  3169. Ricardo Ferreira
  3170.  
  3171. Yeah, after we're done
  3172.  
  3173. Well
  3174.  
  3175. Raikou was already bad
  3176. Tony Ngassi
  3177. 10:06pm
  3178. Tony Ngassi
  3179.  
  3180. Thundy was nerfed wtih the Twave nerfs, and the amount of psychic terrain around
  3181.  
  3182. like it has a niche
  3183. Ricardo Ferreira
  3184. 10:06pm
  3185. Ricardo Ferreira
  3186.  
  3187. ^
  3188. Rriiver Nyile
  3189. 10:06pm
  3190. Rriiver Nyile
  3191.  
  3192. Theres no reason to use other electrics over koko
  3193. Tony Ngassi
  3194. 10:06pm
  3195. Tony Ngassi
  3196.  
  3197. but its not as good
  3198.  
  3199. plus Koko hits harder
  3200.  
  3201. cuz its ground
  3202.  
  3203. grounded*
  3204. Ricardo Ferreira
  3205. 10:06pm
  3206. Ricardo Ferreira
  3207.  
  3208. It's also forced to run more fixed coverage now with marowak
  3209.  
  3210. Koko is just koko
  3211. Tony Ngassi
  3212. 10:07pm
  3213. Tony Ngassi
  3214.  
  3215. yeh that as well
  3216. Rriiver Nyile
  3217. 10:07pm
  3218. Rriiver Nyile
  3219.  
  3220. Yea
  3221. Ricardo Ferreira
  3222. 10:07pm
  3223. Ricardo Ferreira
  3224.  
  3225. Breaks offense
  3226. Rriiver Nyile
  3227. 10:07pm
  3228. Rriiver Nyile
  3229.  
  3230. Knock off
  3231. Thundy
  3232.  
  3233. Or dark pulse
  3234. Ricardo Ferreira
  3235. 10:07pm
  3236. Ricardo Ferreira
  3237.  
  3238. U turns around weakening shit like marowak
  3239.  
  3240. Tbolt sweeps later
  3241.  
  3242. Taunt for fat
  3243.  
  3244. I have seen z madness with taunt
  3245.  
  3246. Even specs with gleam since fairy is spammable
  3247.  
  3248. Just a great mon
  3249.  
  3250. Hard to find a reason to use other electrics over it
  3251.  
  3252. I guess
  3253.  
  3254. Np thundurus for fat
  3255.  
  3256. That's like the only reason i can find
  3257.  
  3258. But even then you're super constricted for coverage
  3259.  
  3260. Arjun Raju I'd like to discuss Ash Greninja and laugh at the fags that said no one would use it over protean
  3261.  
  3262. Last one
  3263. Tony Ngassi
  3264. 10:10pm
  3265. Tony Ngassi
  3266.  
  3267. LOL
  3268. Ricardo Ferreira
  3269. 10:10pm
  3270. Ricardo Ferreira
  3271.  
  3272. I created ash greninja
  3273.  
  3274. It's jesus
  3275. Tony Ngassi
  3276. 10:10pm
  3277. Tony Ngassi
  3278.  
  3279. quality question.
  3280. Rriiver Nyile
  3281. 10:10pm
  3282. Rriiver Nyile
  3283.  
  3284. LOL
  3285. Ricardo Ferreira
  3286. 10:10pm
  3287. Ricardo Ferreira
  3288.  
  3289. People are bad
  3290. Rriiver Nyile
  3291. 10:10pm
  3292. Rriiver Nyile
  3293.  
  3294. I love how abr bashed ash greninja
  3295.  
  3296. Then tried to take ricardos credi
  3297. Ricardo Ferreira
  3298. 10:11pm
  3299. Ricardo Ferreira
  3300.  
  3301. ^
  3302. Rriiver Nyile
  3303. 10:11pm
  3304. Rriiver Nyile
  3305.  
  3306. t
  3307.  
  3308. Haha
  3309. Ricardo Ferreira
  3310. 10:11pm
  3311. Ricardo Ferreira
  3312.  
  3313. I said it was going to be Jesus from day 1
  3314. Rriiver Nyile
  3315. 10:11pm
  3316. Rriiver Nyile
  3317.  
  3318. but jokes aside
  3319.  
  3320. Its a monster
  3321. Ricardo Ferreira
  3322. 10:11pm
  3323. Ricardo Ferreira
  3324.  
  3325. It has 607 sp atk with specs
  3326. Rriiver Nyile
  3327. 10:11pm
  3328. Rriiver Nyile
  3329.  
  3330. Second most disgusting thing for offense other then phermosa
  3331.  
  3332. Then lele follows
  3333. Ricardo Ferreira
  3334. 10:11pm
  3335. Ricardo Ferreira
  3336.  
  3337. Yeah
  3338.  
  3339. Nothing on offense takes it
  3340.  
  3341. You have to revenge
  3342. Rriiver Nyile
  3343. 10:12pm
  3344. Rriiver Nyile
  3345.  
  3346. It has counters but it just u turns
  3347.  
  3348. Allowing other things to pressure
  3349. Ricardo Ferreira
  3350. 10:12pm
  3351. Ricardo Ferreira
  3352.  
  3353. Or beats it with coverage
  3354.  
  3355. It's last slot is diverse
  3356.  
  3357. I have used ice beam, hp fire, hp electric
  3358. Rriiver Nyile
  3359. 10:12pm
  3360. Rriiver Nyile
  3361.  
  3362. If greninja plus ash ninja was legal
  3363.  
  3364. Id use that lololol
  3365. Ricardo Ferreira
  3366. 10:13pm
  3367. Ricardo Ferreira
  3368.  
  3369. Lure in things like mantine
  3370.  
  3371. Yeah
  3372.  
  3373. It's too good
  3374.  
  3375. Outspeeding koko is use
  3376.  
  3377. *huge
  3378.  
  3379. That mon is the reason i run + speed on zam and aero
  3380. Rriiver Nyile
  3381. 10:14pm
  3382. Rriiver Nyile
  3383.  
  3384. I just risk ties
  3385.  
  3386. I love
  3387. The modest zam
  3388. Power to much
  3389. Ricardo Ferreira
  3390. 10:14pm
  3391. Ricardo Ferreira
  3392.  
  3393. ...
  3394.  
  3395. Maybe you right
  3396. Rriiver Nyile
  3397. 10:15pm
  3398. Rriiver Nyile
  3399.  
  3400. Sry i like having a chance to beat mantine
  3401. Ricardo Ferreira
  3402. 10:15pm
  3403. Ricardo Ferreira
  3404.  
  3405. I won that game vs you if i was modest
  3406. Rriiver Nyile
  3407. 10:15pm
  3408. Rriiver Nyile
  3409.  
  3410. and ohkoing scizors with hp fire after psychic
  3411.  
  3412. I think it can even after rocks
  3413.  
  3414. Can u calc
  3415.  
  3416. Ricardo or tony
  3417. Tony Ngassi
  3418. 10:16pm
  3419. Tony Ngassi
  3420.  
  3421. Ash Gren HP Fire on MZor?
  3422. Ricardo Ferreira
  3423. 10:16pm
  3424. Ricardo Ferreira
  3425.  
  3426. Modest zam
  3427.  
  3428. Rriiver
  3429. Tony Ngassi
  3430. 10:17pm
  3431. Tony Ngassi
  3432.  
  3433. 252+ SpA Alakazam-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Scizor-Mega: 296-352 (86.2 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
  3434. Ricardo Ferreira
  3435. 10:17pm
  3436. Ricardo Ferreira
  3437.  
  3438. You alive?
  3439. Tony Ngassi
  3440. 10:17pm
  3441. Tony Ngassi
  3442.  
  3443. thats fat SD Zor
  3444. Rriiver Nyile
  3445. 10:17pm
  3446. Rriiver Nyile
  3447.  
  3448. So rocks
  3449.  
  3450. Kk
  3451. Ricardo Ferreira
  3452. 10:17pm
  3453. Ricardo Ferreira
  3454.  
  3455. Is that everything?
  3456. Rriiver Nyile
  3457. 10:17pm
  3458. Rriiver Nyile
  3459.  
  3460. I believe so
  3461.  
  3462. Welp free for all
  3463.  
  3464. For all can talk mkw
  3465. Ricardo Ferreira
  3466. 10:17pm
  3467. Ricardo Ferreira
  3468.  
  3469. Lmao
  3470. Rriiver Nyile
  3471. 10:17pm
  3472. Rriiver Nyile
  3473.  
  3474. help us all
  3475. Ricardo Ferreira
  3476. 10:17pm
  3477. Ricardo Ferreira
  3478.  
  3479. *undo modchat
  3480. Cement MixerJohnson
  3481. 10:18pm
  3482. Cement MixerJohnson
  3483.  
  3484. I think you guys had a good talk about suspects.
  3485. Ricardo Ferreira
  3486. 10:18pm
  3487. Ricardo Ferreira
  3488.  
  3489. Thanks
  3490. Tony Ngassi
  3491. 10:18pm
  3492. Tony Ngassi
  3493.  
  3494. ty
  3495. Rriiver Nyile
  3496. 10:18pm
  3497. Rriiver Nyile
  3498. Cement MixerJohnson
  3499. 10:18pm
  3500. Cement MixerJohnson
  3501.  
  3502. One thing I agree with is not being too decisive.
  3503. Jase Urlea
  3504. 10:18pm
  3505. Jase Urlea
  3506.  
  3507. That was great guys
  3508. Thanos Tigkas
  3509. 10:18pm
  3510. Thanos Tigkas
  3511.  
  3512. yeah i rly liked it too
  3513. Cement MixerJohnson
  3514. 10:18pm
  3515. Cement MixerJohnson
  3516.  
  3517. 57.3% was the ORAS vote for ban Metagross.
  3518. Thanos Tigkas
  3519. 10:18pm
  3520. Thanos Tigkas
  3521.  
  3522. good god finally some1 else believes me
  3523. Cement MixerJohnson
  3524. 10:18pm
  3525. Cement MixerJohnson
  3526.  
  3527. Which is obviously really high for a pokemon that was actually balanced.
  3528. Jase Urlea
  3529. 10:18pm
  3530. Jase Urlea
  3531.  
  3532. Tbh I'm on the fence now cuz of Ricardo
  3533. Thanos Tigkas
  3534. 10:18pm
  3535. Thanos Tigkas
  3536.  
  3537. that metagross is so suspect worthy
  3538. Cement MixerJohnson
  3539. 10:19pm
  3540. Cement MixerJohnson
  3541.  
  3542. Well actually I think it's fine.
  3543. Jase Urlea
  3544. 10:19pm
  3545. Jase Urlea
  3546.  
  3547. I was pro ban
  3548. Cement MixerJohnson
  3549. 10:19pm
  3550. Cement MixerJohnson
  3551.  
  3552. I was too.
  3553. Jase Urlea
  3554. 10:19pm
  3555. Jase Urlea
  3556.  
  3557. With genescet
  3558. Ricardo Ferreira
  3559. 10:19pm
  3560. Ricardo Ferreira
  3561.  
  3562. Idk about gross right now
  3563.  
  3564. I think 57 is how i feel about gross rn
  3565. Cement MixerJohnson
  3566. 10:19pm
  3567. Cement MixerJohnson
  3568.  
  3569. It was just an example of a pokemon which needed to sit in the metagame for a while longer.
  3570. Jase Urlea
  3571. 10:19pm
  3572. Jase Urlea
  3573.  
  3574. Same with gross
  3575. Ricardo Ferreira
  3576. 10:19pm
  3577. Ricardo Ferreira
  3578.  
  3579. If it becomes better then suspect
  3580.  
  3581. Yeah
  3582. Cris Smith
  3583. 10:19pm
  3584. Cris Smith
  3585.  
  3586. Thank you guys for the insight I think I'm hoping off. Please don't remove as I want to relook at the convo to see what I should prep for and what now
  3587. Rriiver Nyile
  3588. 10:19pm
  3589. Rriiver Nyile
  3590.  
  3591. Im in such a weird position
  3592. Cement MixerJohnson
  3593. 10:20pm
  3594. Cement MixerJohnson
  3595.  
  3596. To be honest it's one of the reasons why I'm deliberately trying to hesitate over my views on a lot of pokemon.
  3597. Rriiver Nyile
  3598. 10:20pm
  3599. Rriiver Nyile
  3600.  
  3601. Where i want a balanced meta
  3602. Ricardo Ferreira
  3603. 10:20pm
  3604. Ricardo Ferreira
  3605.  
  3606. Only mon i'd really like to suspect is lele
  3607. Rriiver Nyile
  3608. 10:20pm
  3609. Rriiver Nyile
  3610.  
  3611. But not a boring oras like meta
  3612. Ricardo Ferreira
  3613. 10:20pm
  3614. Ricardo Ferreira
  3615.  
  3616. Chris
  3617. Cement MixerJohnson
  3618. 10:20pm
  3619. Cement MixerJohnson
  3620.  
  3621. I think probably less is more in terms of suspects.
  3622. Ricardo Ferreira
  3623. 10:20pm
  3624. Ricardo Ferreira
  3625.  
  3626. We'll be posting this in the thread
  3627. Rriiver Nyile
  3628. 10:20pm
  3629. Rriiver Nyile
  3630.  
  3631. and the more things get removed the more stall/balance prevails
  3632. Cement MixerJohnson
  3633. 10:20pm
  3634. Cement MixerJohnson
  3635.  
  3636. I mean the only pokemon I've got my eyes on are Genesect, and probably Pheromosa.
  3637. Thanos Tigkas
  3638. 10:20pm
  3639. Thanos Tigkas
  3640.  
  3641. guys , what is ur opinion
  3642.  
  3643. on z-memento + zard x
  3644. Cement MixerJohnson
  3645. 10:21pm
  3646. Cement MixerJohnson
  3647.  
  3648. In terms of banning stuff I mean, and I'm not even that sure on Pheromosa.
  3649. Thanos Tigkas
  3650. 10:21pm
  3651. Thanos Tigkas
  3652.  
  3653. lati z-memento
  3654. Ricardo Ferreira
  3655. 10:21pm
  3656. Ricardo Ferreira
  3657.  
  3658. Phero is weird for me
  3659. Jase Urlea
  3660. 10:21pm
  3661. Jase Urlea
  3662.  
  3663. I used it
  3664. Ricardo Ferreira
  3665. 10:21pm
  3666. Ricardo Ferreira
  3667.  
  3668. Thanos
  3669. Rriiver Nyile
  3670. 10:21pm
  3671. Rriiver Nyile
  3672.  
  3673. Isnt used enough
  3674. Tony Ngassi
  3675. 10:21pm
  3676. Tony Ngassi
  3677.  
  3678. I havent used it, thanos
  3679. Jase Urlea
  3680. 10:21pm
  3681. Jase Urlea
  3682.  
  3683. It's realllly nice
  3684. Ricardo Ferreira
  3685. 10:21pm
  3686. Ricardo Ferreira
  3687.  
  3688. I've used that before
  3689. Cement MixerJohnson
  3690. 10:21pm
  3691. Cement MixerJohnson
  3692.  
  3693. That's an interesting set.
  3694. Tony Ngassi
  3695. 10:21pm
  3696. Tony Ngassi
  3697.  
  3698. but I why not use Latias?
  3699. Ricardo Ferreira
  3700. 10:21pm
  3701. Ricardo Ferreira
  3702.  
  3703. It's pretty sick
  3704. Tony Ngassi
  3705. 10:21pm
  3706. Tony Ngassi
  3707.  
  3708. just curios
  3709.  
  3710. outside of the Latios power
  3711. Rriiver Nyile
  3712. 10:21pm
  3713. Rriiver Nyile
  3714.  
  3715. Latias doesnt learn
  3716. Cement MixerJohnson
  3717. 10:21pm
  3718. Cement MixerJohnson
  3719.  
  3720. It gives the pokemon you switch in a set up opportunity essentially.
  3721. Ricardo Ferreira
  3722. 10:21pm
  3723. Ricardo Ferreira
  3724.  
  3725. I like how zard x can break lando early game and come back to sweep late game
  3726. Tony Ngassi
  3727. 10:21pm
  3728. Tony Ngassi
  3729.  
  3730. it gets H-Wish
  3731. Rriiver Nyile
  3732. 10:21pm
  3733. Rriiver Nyile
  3734.  
  3735. Momento
  3736. Ricardo Ferreira
  3737. 10:21pm
  3738. Ricardo Ferreira
  3739.  
  3740. Not momento
  3741. Cement MixerJohnson
  3742. 10:21pm
  3743. Cement MixerJohnson
  3744.  
  3745. Ie it lowers their atack and heals the replacement.
  3746. Ricardo Ferreira
  3747. 10:22pm
  3748. Ricardo Ferreira
  3749.  
  3750. Yeah
  3751. Rriiver Nyile
  3752. 10:22pm
  3753. Rriiver Nyile
  3754.  
  3755. Yea but its z move
  3756. Thanos Tigkas
  3757. 10:22pm
  3758. Thanos Tigkas
  3759.  
  3760. http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankou-493925817
  3761. [Gen 7] Pokebank OU replay: Sabella vs. Asuk4 - Pokémon Showdown
  3762. Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Sabella and Asuk4 ([Gen 7] Pokebank OU)
  3763. replay.pokemonshowdown.com
  3764. Cement MixerJohnson
  3765. 10:22pm
  3766. Cement MixerJohnson
  3767.  
  3768. I think it could work, but you're using your z move and sacking a mon.
  3769. Rriiver Nyile
  3770. 10:22pm
  3771. Rriiver Nyile
  3772.  
  3773. Not just regular healing wish
  3774. Cement MixerJohnson
  3775. 10:22pm
  3776. Cement MixerJohnson
  3777.  
  3778. So you gotta be SURE that zard x is gonna put in a lot of work.
  3779. Rriiver Nyile
  3780. 10:22pm
  3781. Rriiver Nyile
  3782.  
  3783. You get a free set up
  3784. Ricardo Ferreira
  3785. 10:22pm
  3786. Ricardo Ferreira
  3787.  
  3788. Yeah
  3789. Rriiver Nyile
  3790. 10:22pm
  3791. Rriiver Nyile
  3792.  
  3793. and fulll health
  3794. Tony Ngassi
  3795. 10:22pm
  3796. Tony Ngassi
  3797.  
  3798. hmm
  3799. Thanos Tigkas
  3800. 10:22pm
  3801. Thanos Tigkas
  3802.  
  3803. take a look at the replay ppl
  3804. Ricardo Ferreira
  3805. 10:22pm
  3806. Ricardo Ferreira
  3807.  
  3808. You only use it when you're sure zard wins from that point
  3809.  
  3810. Kind of like a dnite thing
  3811. Jase Urlea
  3812. 10:23pm
  3813. Jase Urlea
  3814.  
  3815. Oh forgot
  3816.  
  3817. D-nite
  3818.  
  3819. What you guys think about
  3820. Ricardo Ferreira
  3821. 10:23pm
  3822. Ricardo Ferreira
  3823.  
  3824. Bad
  3825. Jase Urlea
  3826. 10:23pm
  3827. Jase Urlea
  3828.  
  3829. Same with darks rn
  3830. Cement MixerJohnson
  3831. 10:23pm
  3832. Cement MixerJohnson
  3833.  
  3834. Ok I feel like asuk4 misplayed in that replay by sacking tapu fini.
  3835. Tony Ngassi
  3836. 10:23pm
  3837. Tony Ngassi
  3838.  
  3839. I saw it used by ABR
  3840. Jase Urlea
  3841. 10:23pm
  3842. Jase Urlea
  3843.  
  3844. Like bisharp/weavile
  3845. Ricardo Ferreira
  3846. 10:23pm
  3847. Ricardo Ferreira
  3848.  
  3849. You were going to talk about z fly dnite?
  3850. Tony Ngassi
  3851. 10:23pm
  3852. Tony Ngassi
  3853.  
  3854. it seemed underwhelimg
  3855. Cement MixerJohnson
  3856. 10:23pm
  3857. Cement MixerJohnson
  3858.  
  3859. Flynium z dnite is potentially interesting.
  3860. Tony Ngassi
  3861. 10:23pm
  3862. Tony Ngassi
  3863.  
  3864. hmm
  3865.  
  3866. pass me the set
  3867. Ricardo Ferreira
  3868. 10:23pm
  3869. Ricardo Ferreira
  3870.  
  3871. Mence is better
  3872. Cement MixerJohnson
  3873. 10:23pm
  3874. Cement MixerJohnson
  3875.  
  3876. It's not the most amazing z move but it's ok.
  3877. Tony Ngassi
  3878. 10:23pm
  3879. Tony Ngassi
  3880.  
  3881. I'll try it out
  3882. Ricardo Ferreira
  3883. 10:24pm
  3884. Ricardo Ferreira
  3885.  
  3886. As a z fly
  3887. Tony Ngassi
  3888. 10:24pm
  3889. Tony Ngassi
  3890.  
  3891. but yeah Mence does it better
  3892. Ricardo Ferreira
  3893. 10:24pm
  3894. Ricardo Ferreira
  3895.  
  3896. Outspeeding lele is huhe
  3897. Tony Ngassi
  3898. 10:24pm
  3899. Tony Ngassi
  3900.  
  3901. atm
  3902. Ricardo Ferreira
  3903. 10:24pm
  3904. Ricardo Ferreira
  3905.  
  3906. *huge
  3907. Rriiver Nyile
  3908. 10:24pm
  3909. Rriiver Nyile
  3910.  
  3911. Mence is jesus
  3912. Thanos Tigkas
  3913. 10:24pm
  3914. Thanos Tigkas
  3915.  
  3916. i actually lost to z-flying mence
  3917.  
  3918. its good
  3919. Cement MixerJohnson
  3920. 10:24pm
  3921. Cement MixerJohnson
  3922.  
  3923. Lando is one of the most threatening z move set up swepers in my opinion.
  3924. Rriiver Nyile
  3925. 10:24pm
  3926. Rriiver Nyile
  3927.  
  3928. Yesss
  3929. Thanos Tigkas
  3930. 10:24pm
  3931. Thanos Tigkas
  3932.  
  3933. yeah but mence snowballs faster imo
  3934.  
  3935. cos it can dd
  3936.  
  3937. boosting both speed and attack at once
  3938. Rriiver Nyile
  3939. 10:25pm
  3940. Rriiver Nyile
  3941.  
  3942. Moxie
  3943. Cement MixerJohnson
  3944. 10:25pm
  3945. Cement MixerJohnson
  3946.  
  3947. Lando is looking a lot like ADV ttar this gen, in that it supports really well, but can also be one of the best sweepers in the tier.
  3948. Ricardo Ferreira
  3949. 10:25pm
  3950. Ricardo Ferreira
  3951.  
  3952. Dd lando is disgusting
  3953. Rriiver Nyile
  3954. 10:25pm
  3955. Rriiver Nyile
  3956.  
  3957. Good example cement
  3958. Ricardo Ferreira
  3959. 10:25pm
  3960. Ricardo Ferreira
  3961.  
  3962. Yeah, adv tar is so cool
  3963.  
  3964. I need to play spl adv
  3965. Thanos Tigkas
  3966. 10:25pm
  3967. Thanos Tigkas
  3968.  
  3969. wasnt lando always
  3970.  
  3971. a mon that could do alot of stuff
  3972.  
  3973. if not everything
  3974. Tony Ngassi
  3975. 10:26pm
  3976. Tony Ngassi
  3977.  
  3978. yes
  3979.  
  3980. it has more options now
  3981.  
  3982. wtih Z moves
  3983.  
  3984. and such
  3985. Ricardo Ferreira
  3986. 10:26pm
  3987. Ricardo Ferreira
  3988.  
  3989. Not sweeping imo
  3990. Cement MixerJohnson
  3991. 10:26pm
  3992. Cement MixerJohnson
  3993.  
  3994. Yeah, the double dance set was never THIS good though.
  3995. Thanos Tigkas
  3996. 10:26pm
  3997. Thanos Tigkas
  3998.  
  3999. i have mixed feelings about z-moves tbh
  4000. Ricardo Ferreira
  4001. 10:26pm
  4002. Ricardo Ferreira
  4003.  
  4004. Dd lando was underwhelming in oras
  4005.  
  4006. Now with fly
  4007.  
  4008. It just kills everything not named skarm
  4009. Thanos Tigkas
  4010. 10:26pm
  4011. Thanos Tigkas
  4012.  
  4013. i mean they are good and turn unwinable match ups to "winable"
  4014.  
  4015. i mean
  4016.  
  4017. u land that z-hypnosis
  4018.  
  4019. and u either dent ur opp alot
  4020.  
  4021. or flat out win
  4022. Rriiver Nyile
  4023. 10:27pm
  4024. Rriiver Nyile
  4025.  
  4026. Mhm
  4027. Cement MixerJohnson
  4028. 10:27pm
  4029. Cement MixerJohnson
  4030.  
  4031. I'm assumming you mean z move hyp xurkitree?
  4032. Thanos Tigkas
  4033. 10:27pm
  4034. Thanos Tigkas
  4035.  
  4036. yup
  4037.  
  4038. but on the other hand
  4039. Cement MixerJohnson
  4040. 10:27pm
  4041. Cement MixerJohnson
  4042.  
  4043. Yeah that has the potential to be good.
  4044. Thanos Tigkas
  4045. 10:27pm
  4046. Thanos Tigkas
  4047.  
  4048. sometimes , they are soooo unballanced man
  4049. Cement MixerJohnson
  4050. 10:28pm
  4051. Cement MixerJohnson
  4052.  
  4053. I legit don't know what to do about z moves lol.
  4054.  
  4055. I'm generally gonna say less is more in terms of bans.
  4056. Ricardo Ferreira
  4057. 10:28pm
  4058. Ricardo Ferreira
  4059.  
  4060. Cement, who are you on smogon?
  4061. Cement MixerJohnson
  4062. 10:28pm
  4063. Cement MixerJohnson
  4064.  
  4065. So it might not come to banning anything in particular because of zmoves.
  4066. Ricardo Ferreira
  4067. 10:28pm
  4068. Ricardo Ferreira
  4069.  
  4070. I'm curious
  4071.  
  4072. You have stupid knowledge
  4073. Cement MixerJohnson
  4074. 10:28pm
  4075. Cement MixerJohnson
  4076.  
  4077. http://www.smogon.com/forums/members/im-rick-astley.252364/
  4078. Ricardo Ferreira
  4079. 10:28pm
  4080. Ricardo Ferreira
  4081.  
  4082. Oh
  4083.  
  4084. OH
  4085. Tony Ngassi
  4086. 10:28pm
  4087. Tony Ngassi
  4088.  
  4089. oh
  4090. Ricardo Ferreira
  4091. 10:28pm
  4092. Ricardo Ferreira
  4093.  
  4094. I know who you are
  4095. Tony Ngassi
  4096. 10:28pm
  4097. Tony Ngassi
  4098.  
  4099. I see now
  4100.  
  4101. makes sense
  4102. Rriiver Nyile
  4103. 10:29pm
  4104. Rriiver Nyile
  4105.  
  4106. Oh rickkkk
  4107. Ricardo Ferreira
  4108. 10:29pm
  4109. Ricardo Ferreira
  4110.  
  4111. It makes way more sense now
  4112. Rriiver Nyile
  4113. 10:29pm
  4114. Rriiver Nyile
  4115.  
  4116. Yea
  4117. Ricardo Ferreira
  4118. 10:29pm
  4119. Ricardo Ferreira
  4120.  
  4121. I tend to like your posts dude
  4122. Cement MixerJohnson
  4123. 10:29pm
  4124. Cement MixerJohnson
  4125.  
  4126. Thanks a lot.
  4127.  
  4128. Anyway Lele + Pheromosa is definitely looking to be one of the most dominant cores this gen.
  4129. Ricardo Ferreira
  4130. 10:30pm
  4131. Ricardo Ferreira
  4132.  
  4133. Yeah
  4134. Thanos Tigkas
  4135. 10:30pm
  4136. Thanos Tigkas
  4137.  
  4138. if not the most dominant
  4139. Ricardo Ferreira
  4140. 10:30pm
  4141. Ricardo Ferreira
  4142.  
  4143. Disgusting
  4144. Cement MixerJohnson
  4145. 10:30pm
  4146. Cement MixerJohnson
  4147.  
  4148. You guys said BO was the best playstyle but I think somebody might crack Lele + Mosa HO and own everything.
  4149. Thanos Tigkas
  4150. 10:30pm
  4151. Thanos Tigkas
  4152.  
  4153. i dont think that
  4154.  
  4155. this core is best in ho
  4156. Ricardo Ferreira
  4157. 10:30pm
  4158. Ricardo Ferreira
  4159.  
  4160. One of them will probably be gone by then
  4161. Thanos Tigkas
  4162. 10:30pm
  4163. Thanos Tigkas
  4164.  
  4165. something like BO could utilyze this core cos BO is weak to offense imo
  4166. Cement MixerJohnson
  4167. 10:30pm
  4168. Cement MixerJohnson
  4169.  
  4170. Probably.
  4171.  
  4172. I've seen Pheromosa just clean up way too easy because somebody let their tapu fini get a little too low.
  4173. Ricardo Ferreira
  4174. 10:31pm
  4175. Ricardo Ferreira
  4176.  
  4177. Yeah
  4178.  
  4179. Best cleaner
  4180. Cement MixerJohnson
  4181. 10:31pm
  4182. Cement MixerJohnson
  4183.  
  4184. I don't know for sure if I want it banned, but it's a really powerful cleaner.
  4185. Ricardo Ferreira
  4186. 10:31pm
  4187. Ricardo Ferreira
  4188.  
  4189. Scarf is disgusting
  4190.  
  4191. They get one kill and just clean
  4192. Thanos Tigkas
  4193. 10:31pm
  4194. Thanos Tigkas
  4195.  
  4196. i saw a replay once
  4197.  
  4198. some1 from central
  4199.  
  4200. vs Costa rain
  4201. Ricardo Ferreira
  4202. 10:32pm
  4203. Ricardo Ferreira
  4204.  
  4205. If you don't have priority then you're doomes
  4206. Thanos Tigkas
  4207. 10:32pm
  4208. Thanos Tigkas
  4209.  
  4210. dude got 1 kill win pheromosa
  4211. Ricardo Ferreira
  4212. 10:32pm
  4213. Ricardo Ferreira
  4214.  
  4215. *doomed
  4216. Cement MixerJohnson
  4217. 10:32pm
  4218. Cement MixerJohnson
  4219.  
  4220. I like life orb a lot too.
  4221. Thanos Tigkas
  4222. 10:32pm
  4223. Thanos Tigkas
  4224.  
  4225. like he stalled out the rain
  4226.  
  4227. got 1 kill
  4228.  
  4229. and went from 1-6
  4230.  
  4231. to 1-0
  4232.  
  4233. by just spaming hjk
  4234. Ricardo Ferreira
  4235. 10:32pm
  4236. Ricardo Ferreira
  4237.  
  4238. ^
  4239.  
  4240. I've seen that
  4241. Thanos Tigkas
  4242. 10:32pm
  4243. Thanos Tigkas
  4244.  
  4245. dude this is disgusting
  4246.  
  4247. why is this thing even legal
  4248. Ricardo Ferreira
  4249. 10:32pm
  4250. Ricardo Ferreira
  4251.  
  4252. That's not costa rain though
  4253.  
  4254. That team is from ben gay
  4255. Thanos Tigkas
  4256. 10:33pm
  4257. Thanos Tigkas
  4258.  
  4259. oh yeah
  4260. Cement MixerJohnson
  4261. 10:33pm
  4262. Cement MixerJohnson
  4263.  
  4264. One thing I noticed is that even though it does have solid switch-ins, those all lose to the same shit.
  4265. Thanos Tigkas
  4266. 10:33pm
  4267. Thanos Tigkas
  4268.  
  4269. ^
  4270. Cement MixerJohnson
  4271. 10:33pm
  4272. Cement MixerJohnson
  4273.  
  4274. Ie toxapex, venusaur, can all be wrecked by specs lele, or even if that gets banned, you can replace it with hoopa.
  4275. Ricardo Ferreira
  4276. 10:34pm
  4277. Ricardo Ferreira
  4278.  
  4279. Yeah, Hoopa is way better now
  4280. Cement MixerJohnson
  4281. 10:34pm
  4282. Cement MixerJohnson
  4283.  
  4284. Considering it doesn't have that many good switch ins to begin with, it's going to be really obvious.
  4285. Ricardo Ferreira
  4286. 10:34pm
  4287. Ricardo Ferreira
  4288.  
  4289. No genesect to u tuen
  4290.  
  4291. *u turn
  4292. Tony Ngassi
  4293. 10:34pm
  4294. Tony Ngassi
  4295.  
  4296. yo
  4297.  
  4298. can we get Ben GAy
  4299.  
  4300. to play again
  4301. Cement MixerJohnson
  4302. 10:34pm
  4303. Cement MixerJohnson
  4304.  
  4305. He's getting back into the ladder.
  4306. Tony Ngassi
  4307. 10:34pm
  4308. Tony Ngassi
  4309.  
  4310. I miss that guy
  4311.  
  4312. yeah
  4313. Ricardo Ferreira
  4314. 10:35pm
  4315. Ricardo Ferreira
  4316.  
  4317. yeah
  4318. Tony Ngassi
  4319. 10:35pm
  4320. Tony Ngassi
  4321.  
  4322. I'm friends with him but I dont think he wants to play tours anymore
  4323. Ricardo Ferreira
  4324. 10:35pm
  4325. Ricardo Ferreira
  4326.  
  4327. ben gay was supposed to be on our spl team
  4328. Tony Ngassi
  4329. 10:35pm
  4330. Tony Ngassi
  4331.  
  4332. he was 1 2 and 3 on ladder at one point
  4333.  
  4334. like two weeks ago
  4335. Cement MixerJohnson
  4336. 10:35pm
  4337. Cement MixerJohnson
  4338.  
  4339. Yeah.
  4340.  
  4341. I think we'll see him again in tours really soon.
  4342. Ricardo Ferreira
  4343. 10:36pm
  4344. Ricardo Ferreira
  4345.  
  4346. Ost is approaching
  4347. Rriiver Nyile
  4348. 10:36pm
  4349. Rriiver Nyile
  4350.  
  4351. Anyway, im going to stay here for 30 more Min
  4352.  
  4353. Then dip
  4354.  
  4355. So if u have any more questions lmk
  4356. Cement MixerJohnson
  4357. 10:36pm
  4358. Cement MixerJohnson
  4359.  
  4360. Sure ok.
  4361. Ricardo Ferreira
  4362. 10:36pm
  4363. Ricardo Ferreira
  4364.  
  4365. Yeah
  4366. Cement MixerJohnson
  4367. 10:37pm
  4368. Cement MixerJohnson
  4369.  
  4370. I noticed you guys were all kinda negative about ORAS.
  4371. Ricardo Ferreira
  4372. 10:37pm
  4373. Ricardo Ferreira
  4374.  
  4375. I'm free until i fall alseep
  4376.  
  4377. Yeah
  4378. Cement MixerJohnson
  4379. 10:37pm
  4380. Cement MixerJohnson
  4381.  
  4382. I like how it turned out in the end.
  4383. Thanos Tigkas
  4384. 10:37pm
  4385. Thanos Tigkas
  4386.  
  4387. oras was cancer
  4388. Cement MixerJohnson
  4389. 10:37pm
  4390. Cement MixerJohnson
  4391.  
  4392. I mean specifically after the Sab ban.
  4393. Thanos Tigkas
  4394. 10:37pm
  4395. Thanos Tigkas
  4396.  
  4397. thats why we are negative
  4398. Cement MixerJohnson
  4399. 10:37pm
  4400. Cement MixerJohnson
  4401.  
  4402. I didn't like it before.
  4403. Ricardo Ferreira
  4404. 10:37pm
  4405. Ricardo Ferreira
  4406.  
  4407. I guess it became "balanced"
  4408. Thanos Tigkas
  4409. 10:37pm
  4410. Thanos Tigkas
  4411.  
  4412. and cement
  4413. Ricardo Ferreira
  4414. 10:37pm
  4415. Ricardo Ferreira
  4416.  
  4417. Even though
  4418. Thanos Tigkas
  4419. 10:37pm
  4420. Thanos Tigkas
  4421.  
  4422. wanna see why
  4423.  
  4424. it was cancer?
  4425. Ricardo Ferreira
  4426. 10:37pm
  4427. Ricardo Ferreira
  4428.  
  4429. We will truly see how oras turns out in smogon tour
  4430. Cement MixerJohnson
  4431. 10:37pm
  4432. Cement MixerJohnson
  4433.  
  4434. If you have a replay link it.
  4435. Rriiver Nyile
  4436. 10:37pm
  4437. Rriiver Nyile
  4438.  
  4439. Yo ricardo
  4440. Cement MixerJohnson
  4441. 10:37pm
  4442. Cement MixerJohnson
  4443.  
  4444. The whole thing of people trying to get easy wins with Sableye stopped.
  4445. Rriiver Nyile
  4446. 10:38pm
  4447. Rriiver Nyile
  4448.  
  4449. Just use bp in smog
  4450.  
  4451. They Wont be ready
  4452. Cement MixerJohnson
  4453. 10:38pm
  4454. Cement MixerJohnson
  4455.  
  4456. I guess Medi and spikes will be really strong now but I feel those are a little more skill based.
  4457. Thanos Tigkas
  4458. 10:38pm
  4459. Thanos Tigkas
  4460.  
  4461. http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-ou-166837
  4462. Cement MixerJohnson
  4463. 10:38pm
  4464. Cement MixerJohnson
  4465.  
  4466. Dude everytime I think bp is fine, somebody just makes it broken again.
  4467. Ricardo Ferreira
  4468. 10:38pm
  4469. Ricardo Ferreira
  4470.  
  4471. I'm not devil
  4472.  
  4473. Yeah
  4474.  
  4475. Bp was dead
  4476.  
  4477. But then me and rriiver
  4478.  
  4479. God
  4480. Thanos Tigkas
  4481. 10:38pm
  4482. Thanos Tigkas
  4483.  
  4484. this replay demonstrates
  4485. Ricardo Ferreira
  4486. 10:39pm
  4487. Ricardo Ferreira
  4488.  
  4489. I feel dirty
  4490. Rriiver Nyile
  4491. 10:39pm
  4492. Rriiver Nyile
  4493.  
  4494. and then gorgie
  4495. Thanos Tigkas
  4496. 10:39pm
  4497. Thanos Tigkas
  4498.  
  4499. how good clef was
  4500. Ricardo Ferreira
  4501. 10:39pm
  4502. Ricardo Ferreira
  4503.  
  4504. I remember tdk saying "it's not used in tours"
  4505.  
  4506. And then gorgie knocks someone out of olt with it LOLOL
  4507. Cement MixerJohnson
  4508. 10:40pm
  4509. Cement MixerJohnson
  4510.  
  4511. The whole "It's broken on ladder but not in tours" attitude needs to die.
  4512. Ricardo Ferreira
  4513. 10:40pm
  4514. Ricardo Ferreira
  4515.  
  4516. ^
  4517. Cement MixerJohnson
  4518. 10:40pm
  4519. Cement MixerJohnson
  4520.  
  4521. Like people were saying BP was fine on the ladder, then WQ won OST with it.
  4522.  
  4523. There was such a long period of time to catch it before.
  4524. Ricardo Ferreira
  4525. 10:40pm
  4526. Ricardo Ferreira
  4527.  
  4528. Yeah
  4529.  
  4530. Like
  4531.  
  4532. I don't understand why they just keep dry bp and ban everything else
  4533.  
  4534. *they don't
  4535. Cement MixerJohnson
  4536. 10:41pm
  4537. Cement MixerJohnson
  4538.  
  4539. We shouldn't base everything off of ladder but I'd like to see high level ladder replays being taken seriously in suspect threads.
  4540.  
  4541. I'd rather just ban the whole thing.
  4542. Ricardo Ferreira
  4543. 10:41pm
  4544. Ricardo Ferreira
  4545.  
  4546. You think it has a chance to be broken even like that?
  4547. Cement MixerJohnson
  4548. 10:42pm
  4549. Cement MixerJohnson
  4550.  
  4551. But yeah I feel like we're trying to preserve something that we really shouldn't, for no real reason.
  4552.  
  4553. Uhhh dry pass maybe not.
  4554.  
  4555. I don't think it's crazy to just get rid of the whole move though.
  4556.  
  4557. In terms of banning simplicity I mean.
  4558. Ricardo Ferreira
  4559. 10:42pm
  4560. Ricardo Ferreira
  4561.  
  4562. I don't think it's crazy either
  4563.  
  4564. Yeah, in terms of simplicity it's the best
  4565.  
  4566. It's being dealt with in lower tiers
  4567.  
  4568. Only ou left
  4569. Cement MixerJohnson
  4570. 10:44pm
  4571. Cement MixerJohnson
  4572.  
  4573. It would suck to have OU be the last tier that actually tries to keep it lol.
  4574. Ricardo Ferreira
  4575. 10:44pm
  4576. Ricardo Ferreira
  4577.  
  4578. Up to the council
  4579.  
  4580. What do you think of this council rick?
  4581. Rriiver Nyile
  4582. 10:44pm
  4583. Rriiver Nyile
  4584.  
  4585. just shows the mentality of the council
  4586.  
  4587. if anything
  4588. Cement MixerJohnson
  4589. 10:44pm
  4590. Cement MixerJohnson
  4591.  
  4592. I don't have a high opinion of them.
  4593.  
  4594. SAbleye was causing problems for a long time but we only got it banned on literally the last day.
  4595.  
  4596. This meant that stuff which could've gotten suspected in ORAS, didn't.
  4597.  
  4598. I don't mind people disagreeing with me on stuff, but the worrying thing is that they ALL have the same opinion.
  4599.  
  4600. Their sableye susp vote was 6 no ban, 1 abstain.
  4601. Ricardo Ferreira
  4602. 10:45pm
  4603. Ricardo Ferreira
  4604.  
  4605. Yeah
  4606.  
  4607. Me and rriiver said the same
  4608.  
  4609. That's what happens when you have groups and bandwagons inside the cohncil
  4610.  
  4611. *council
  4612. Cement MixerJohnson
  4613. 10:46pm
  4614. Cement MixerJohnson
  4615.  
  4616. On smaller issues I think Lando I wasn't quickban worthy.
  4617.  
  4618. It probably would've gone eventually, but I would rather vote on it.
  4619. Rriiver Nyile
  4620. 10:46pm
  4621. Rriiver Nyile
  4622.  
  4623. i dont think anyone but the council did
  4624. Ricardo Ferreira
  4625. 10:47pm
  4626. Ricardo Ferreira
  4627.  
  4628. Me neither
  4629.  
  4630. Dude, i raged so bad
  4631. Cement MixerJohnson
  4632. 10:48pm
  4633. Cement MixerJohnson
  4634.  
  4635. I was worried what they were gonna do next.
  4636.  
  4637. Although to be fair suspecting Genesect is a move I agree with.
  4638. Ricardo Ferreira
  4639. 10:48pm
  4640. Ricardo Ferreira
  4641.  
  4642. Yeah, it's definitely suspect worthy
  4643.  
  4644. Although i don't want it to go
  4645.  
  4646. I see genesect as oras Clefable
  4647.  
  4648. I know, kind of a weird view
  4649. Cement MixerJohnson
  4650. 10:49pm
  4651. Cement MixerJohnson
  4652.  
  4653. I think it's a little too easy to use, good, and a little too hard to face. I mean in terms of how unpredictable it is.
  4654. Rriiver Nyile
  4655. 10:49pm
  4656. Rriiver Nyile
  4657.  
  4658. I have that view as well
  4659.  
  4660. genesect being the offensive clefable of sumo
  4661. Cement MixerJohnson
  4662. 10:50pm
  4663. Cement MixerJohnson
  4664.  
  4665. ABr said there could be a knock on effect if we ban stuff, which I can see.
  4666.  
  4667. I mean, uh, other stuff becoming better if we ban Gene.
  4668. Rriiver Nyile
  4669. 10:50pm
  4670. Rriiver Nyile
  4671.  
  4672. yea we need sect
  4673. Cement MixerJohnson
  4674. 10:51pm
  4675. Cement MixerJohnson
  4676.  
  4677. I think we could stop at banning Gene and Pheromosa, although I'm not 100% sure.
  4678. Rriiver Nyile
  4679. 10:51pm
  4680. Rriiver Nyile
  4681.  
  4682. unlikely
  4683. Thanos Tigkas
  4684. 10:51pm
  4685. Thanos Tigkas
  4686.  
  4687. when and when phero and sect bide the dust
  4688.  
  4689. we will have to ban hoopa
  4690.  
  4691. yeah*
  4692. Cement MixerJohnson
  4693. 10:51pm
  4694. Cement MixerJohnson
  4695.  
  4696. Which would suck, I don't want that.
  4697. Ricardo Ferreira
  4698. 10:52pm
  4699. Ricardo Ferreira
  4700.  
  4701. chain reaction
  4702. Rriiver Nyile
  4703. 10:52pm
  4704. Rriiver Nyile
  4705.  
  4706. i dont think hoopa should have banned the first time
  4707.  
  4708. but it is what it is
  4709. Ricardo Ferreira
  4710. 10:52pm
  4711. Ricardo Ferreira
  4712.  
  4713. i'm kind on the fence about oras hoopa
  4714. Cement MixerJohnson
  4715. 10:52pm
  4716. Cement MixerJohnson
  4717.  
  4718. I think the end ORAS was an ok compromise.
  4719.  
  4720. All I really wanted was a sab ban and I got it I guess.
  4721. Ricardo Ferreira
  4722. 10:53pm
  4723. Ricardo Ferreira
  4724.  
  4725. i think duggy was worse tbh
  4726.  
  4727. like
  4728.  
  4729. abr altaria stall
  4730.  
  4731. that was an example of duggy being cancer without sab
  4732. Cement MixerJohnson
  4733. 10:53pm
  4734. Cement MixerJohnson
  4735.  
  4736. Dug is still annoying without Sab. I don't think it's good to the point of being broken though.
  4737. Ricardo Ferreira
  4738. 10:54pm
  4739. Ricardo Ferreira
  4740.  
  4741. i think it is
  4742.  
  4743. it's so unhealthy imo
  4744. Cement MixerJohnson
  4745. 10:54pm
  4746. Cement MixerJohnson
  4747.  
  4748. I wouldn't mind it being banned tbh, but I had to say I wasn't in favour of a dug ban because otherwise people might blame the trapper and not sab.
  4749. Ricardo Ferreira
  4750. 10:55pm
  4751. Ricardo Ferreira
  4752.  
  4753. although i still think sab wasn't THAT bad alone what made me hate it was sab + trapper
  4754.  
  4755. like, i never thought weavile stall was in issue
  4756. Cement MixerJohnson
  4757. 10:56pm
  4758. Cement MixerJohnson
  4759.  
  4760. I thought it was still pretty annoying.
  4761. Ricardo Ferreira
  4762. 10:56pm
  4763. Ricardo Ferreira
  4764.  
  4765. yeah, sab was super gay but it wasn't overly unhealthy
  4766. Cement MixerJohnson
  4767. 10:56pm
  4768. Cement MixerJohnson
  4769.  
  4770. As you guys know I spammed sab stall on the ladder a lot after hoopa got banned to test if it was broken.
  4771.  
  4772. I think however you build a sab team, as long as it is built well, it's unhealthy to some degree.
  4773. Ricardo Ferreira
  4774. 10:56pm
  4775. Ricardo Ferreira
  4776.  
  4777. yeah
  4778.  
  4779. i agree with that
  4780. Cement MixerJohnson
  4781. 10:57pm
  4782. Cement MixerJohnson
  4783.  
  4784. I don't even think the team I used was that well built, I just wanted to use something different.
  4785. Ricardo Ferreira
  4786. 10:57pm
  4787. Ricardo Ferreira
  4788.  
  4789. it's stall on the ladder
  4790.  
  4791. it doesn't need to be perfect
  4792. Cement MixerJohnson
  4793. 10:58pm
  4794. Cement MixerJohnson
  4795.  
  4796. True.
  4797. Rriiver Nyile
  4798. 10:58pm
  4799. Rriiver Nyile
  4800.  
  4801. Thousand Arrows
  4802.  
  4803. needs to be locked into
  4804. Cement MixerJohnson
  4805. 10:59pm
  4806. Cement MixerJohnson
  4807.  
  4808. I agree, or maybe even just zygarde straight up.
  4809.  
  4810. It's not 100% zygarde, but it still sweeps really easily.
  4811. Ricardo Ferreira
  4812. 10:59pm
  4813. Ricardo Ferreira
  4814.  
  4815. i'm on the fence about that one
  4816. Cement MixerJohnson
  4817. 10:59pm
  4818. Cement MixerJohnson
  4819.  
  4820. I definitely haven't made up my mind about it.
  4821.  
  4822. I'm kinda more pro ban on literally just Gene and Pheromosa, and then looking into suspects on other stuff, rather than making up my mind about them.
  4823. Ricardo Ferreira
  4824. 11:00pm
  4825. Ricardo Ferreira
  4826.  
  4827. yeah
  4828.  
  4829. ban the most cancerous things first
  4830.  
  4831. i think lele is the worst one right now
  4832. Cement MixerJohnson
  4833. 11:01pm
  4834. Cement MixerJohnson
  4835.  
  4836. It's definitely suspect worthy, but I'd like to see if sp def Jirachi, sp def Magearna etc are enough to keep it in check.
  4837.  
  4838. Idk how often specs runs tbolt, but that's the only set which beats Celesteela I thin.
  4839.  
  4840. *think.
  4841. Ricardo Ferreira
  4842. 11:01pm
  4843. Ricardo Ferreira
  4844.  
  4845. i've ran that before
  4846.  
  4847. i even see specs shadow ball a lot
  4848.  
  4849. for rachi and gross
  4850.  
  4851. the last slot on specs lele is so flexible imo
  4852. Cement MixerJohnson
  4853. 11:02pm
  4854. Cement MixerJohnson
  4855.  
  4856. I feel like giving up hp fire is annoying.
  4857. Ricardo Ferreira
  4858. 11:02pm
  4859. Ricardo Ferreira
  4860.  
  4861. yeah, no way
  4862.  
  4863. fire coverage is just too good in ou
  4864.  
  4865. i use lele as my scizor check lol
  4866.  
  4867. that's so stupid to say
  4868. Cement MixerJohnson
  4869. 11:04pm
  4870. Cement MixerJohnson
  4871.  
  4872. Those are probably the main suspect mons.
  4873.  
  4874. I thought about Greninja being suspect worthy initially but I think it's fine now.
  4875. Ricardo Ferreira
  4876. 11:05pm
  4877. Ricardo Ferreira
  4878.  
  4879. yeah
  4880.  
  4881. the speed tiers are so high
  4882.  
  4883. don't see it being as troubling for offense as it once was
  4884. Cement MixerJohnson
  4885. 11:06pm
  4886. Cement MixerJohnson
  4887.  
  4888. Ash Gren is hard walled by Tapu fini.
  4889.  
  4890. I think the life orb protean set loses to Celesteela.
  4891. Thanos Tigkas
  4892. 11:06pm
  4893. Thanos Tigkas
  4894.  
  4895. that will change once we get move tutors
  4896. Ricardo Ferreira
  4897. 11:06pm
  4898. Ricardo Ferreira
  4899.  
  4900. why?
  4901. Cement MixerJohnson
  4902. 11:06pm
  4903. Cement MixerJohnson
  4904.  
  4905. It's actually got concrete switch ins now.
  4906. Ricardo Ferreira
  4907. 11:06pm
  4908. Ricardo Ferreira
  4909.  
  4910. we already have gunk shot and low kick
  4911. Thanos Tigkas
  4912. 11:06pm
  4913. Thanos Tigkas
  4914.  
  4915. gunk shot ash gren
  4916.  
  4917. will destroy fini
  4918. Ricardo Ferreira
  4919. 11:06pm
  4920. Ricardo Ferreira
  4921.  
  4922. oh
  4923.  
  4924. hm
  4925.  
  4926. is it worth it?
  4927. Cement MixerJohnson
  4928. 11:07pm
  4929. Cement MixerJohnson
  4930.  
  4931. Maybe gunk shot ash gren won't be fun to deal with.
  4932.  
  4933. Probably for the one move.
  4934.  
  4935. I mean for the 3 others you really do want shuriken, dark pulse, hydro pump.
  4936. Ricardo Ferreira
  4937. 11:07pm
  4938. Ricardo Ferreira
  4939.  
  4940. non protean greninja is so easy to pivot around
  4941.  
  4942. especially without specs
  4943.  
  4944. yeah
  4945. Cement MixerJohnson
  4946. 11:07pm
  4947. Cement MixerJohnson
  4948.  
  4949. The issue is that if you don't run specs, it's harder to pick up the initial ko.
  4950. Ricardo Ferreira
  4951. 11:07pm
  4952. Ricardo Ferreira
  4953.  
  4954. maybe some naive specs bullshit?
  4955.  
  4956. possibilities
  4957.  
  4958. if it even does enough to fini
  4959. Cement MixerJohnson
  4960. 11:09pm
  4961. Cement MixerJohnson
  4962.  
  4963. 0 Atk Life Orb Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 196+ Def Tapu Fini: 146-174 (42.5 - 50.7%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO
  4964. Ricardo Ferreira
  4965. 11:09pm
  4966. Ricardo Ferreira
  4967.  
  4968. damn
  4969. Cement MixerJohnson
  4970. 11:09pm
  4971. Cement MixerJohnson
  4972.  
  4973. If you want to beat fini you have to run life orb.
  4974. Ricardo Ferreira
  4975. 11:09pm
  4976. Ricardo Ferreira
  4977.  
  4978. hm
  4979.  
  4980. it's going to be interesting
  4981. Cement MixerJohnson
  4982. 11:10pm
  4983. Cement MixerJohnson
  4984.  
  4985. The thing is that after the initial KO and battle bond activates, you don't need specs as badly.
  4986. Ricardo Ferreira
  4987. 11:10pm
  4988. Ricardo Ferreira
  4989.  
  4990. can't you breed ash gren to get battle bond + gunk?
  4991.  
  4992. i don't know shit about breeding
  4993.  
  4994. yeah, lo is such a bad item though
  4995. Cement MixerJohnson
  4996. 11:10pm
  4997. Cement MixerJohnson
  4998.  
  4999. Battle bond gren can't breed.
  5000. Ricardo Ferreira
  5001. 11:11pm
  5002. Ricardo Ferreira
  5003.  
  5004. rip
  5005.  
  5006. gunk also hits av tang
  5007.  
  5008. hm
  5009. Cement MixerJohnson
  5010. 11:11pm
  5011. Cement MixerJohnson
  5012.  
  5013. True.
  5014.  
  5015. It would be sad to see literally one move added to one of Gren's sets push it over the edge.
  5016. Ricardo Ferreira
  5017. 11:12pm
  5018. Ricardo Ferreira
  5019.  
  5020. it happened last gen with only two
  5021.  
  5022. although i heard it was insane in xy
  5023.  
  5024. is that true?
  5025.  
  5026. i started in oras
  5027.  
  5028. don't know shit about older tiers
  5029. Cement MixerJohnson
  5030. 11:12pm
  5031. Cement MixerJohnson
  5032.  
  5033. I didn't play too much XY, although I think it was really good.
  5034.  
  5035. Like a lot of people wanted it suspected by the of the gen I think.
  5036.  
  5037. And there was kind of an attitude after it got banned like "It was super broken in ORAS, but it still might've been banworthy in xy".
  5038. Ricardo Ferreira
  5039. 11:13pm
  5040. Ricardo Ferreira
  5041.  
  5042. i heard you had to run calm clef for it on every team
  5043. Cement MixerJohnson
  5044. 11:14pm
  5045. Cement MixerJohnson
  5046.  
  5047. Calm clef became really common because of it.
  5048. Ricardo Ferreira
  5049. 11:14pm
  5050. Ricardo Ferreira
  5051.  
  5052. yeah
  5053.  
  5054. i always hated it though
  5055.  
  5056. i started using bold as soon as medi blew up
  5057. Thanos Tigkas
  5058. 11:14pm
  5059. Thanos Tigkas
  5060.  
  5061. Opinions on magearna
  5062.  
  5063. ?
  5064. Cement MixerJohnson
  5065. 11:14pm
  5066. Cement MixerJohnson
  5067.  
  5068. Yeah calm clef was pressured really easily by lando.
  5069.  
  5070. I think magearna is actually really good.
  5071. Ricardo Ferreira
  5072. 11:14pm
  5073. Ricardo Ferreira
  5074.  
  5075. everyone was crying about medi when they lost with calm clef
  5076.  
  5077. we talked about it
  5078.  
  5079. didn't you see?
  5080. Cement MixerJohnson
  5081. 11:15pm
  5082. Cement MixerJohnson
  5083.  
  5084. You've got like bulky pivot sets, and shift gear is /ok/.
  5085. Ricardo Ferreira
  5086. 11:15pm
  5087. Ricardo Ferreira
  5088.  
  5089. i love av
  5090. Cement MixerJohnson
  5091. 11:15pm
  5092. Cement MixerJohnson
  5093.  
  5094. You probably want a z move with it to get it started though.
  5095.  
  5096. I mean with the shift gear sweeper set.
  5097. Ricardo Ferreira
  5098. 11:15pm
  5099. Ricardo Ferreira
  5100.  
  5101. i always use shift gear z move
  5102.  
  5103. yeah
  5104.  
  5105. just nuke something
  5106.  
  5107. i was using shuca at the beginning
  5108.  
  5109. but then found out about z moves
  5110. Cement MixerJohnson
  5111. 11:16pm
  5112. Cement MixerJohnson
  5113.  
  5114. I think leftovers bulky pivot set could be ok.
  5115.  
  5116. Although it might not be better than AV.
  5117. Ricardo Ferreira
  5118. 11:17pm
  5119. Ricardo Ferreira
  5120.  
  5121. i like av since it also helps with shit like greninja
  5122.  
  5123. haven't tried lefites though so i might be wrong
  5124. Cement MixerJohnson
  5125. 11:17pm
  5126. Cement MixerJohnson
  5127.  
  5128. I haven't tested it out either.
  5129.  
  5130. It looks like it's currently being used mostly vs special attackers so I'm kinda just speculating.
  5131.  
  5132. AV's probably the more solid option, just the lack of recovery irritates me a little.
  5133. Ricardo Ferreira
  5134. 11:19pm
  5135. Ricardo Ferreira
  5136.  
  5137. yeah, doesn't it get pain split?
  5138. Cement MixerJohnson
  5139. 11:19pm
  5140. Cement MixerJohnson
  5141.  
  5142. Oh yeah it does.
  5143.  
  5144. Maybe it could work like rotom-w then?
  5145. Ricardo Ferreira
  5146. 11:19pm
  5147. Ricardo Ferreira
  5148.  
  5149. does that work with av?
  5150.  
  5151. yeah
  5152.  
  5153. i was just thinking that
  5154. Cement MixerJohnson
  5155. 11:20pm
  5156. Cement MixerJohnson
  5157.  
  5158. I don't think pain split works with av.
  5159. Ricardo Ferreira
  5160. 11:20pm
  5161. Ricardo Ferreira
  5162.  
  5163. damn
  5164.  
  5165. rip
  5166.  
  5167. that whole rotom thing seems interesting though
  5168. Cement MixerJohnson
  5169. 11:21pm
  5170. Cement MixerJohnson
  5171.  
  5172. How much does it need all 4 attacking moves anyway?
  5173.  
  5174. PResumably it wants both stabs and volt switch on the bulky set.
  5175. Ricardo Ferreira
  5176. 11:22pm
  5177. Ricardo Ferreira
  5178.  
  5179. hm
  5180.  
  5181. does it need double stab?
  5182.  
  5183. i don't think so
  5184.  
  5185. at least a more bulky set
  5186. Cement MixerJohnson
  5187. 11:22pm
  5188. Cement MixerJohnson
  5189.  
  5190. Well steel can take on fairies.
  5191. Ricardo Ferreira
  5192. 11:22pm
  5193. Ricardo Ferreira
  5194.  
  5195. yeah
  5196. Cement MixerJohnson
  5197. 11:22pm
  5198. Cement MixerJohnson
  5199.  
  5200. If you want to beat tapu lele as well as you can 1v1 I'd recommend it.
  5201. Ricardo Ferreira
  5202. 11:23pm
  5203. Ricardo Ferreira
  5204.  
  5205. yeah
  5206.  
  5207. i also run steel over fairy in shift gear
  5208.  
  5209. all these steels kind of fucked fairy as an offensive typing
  5210. Cement MixerJohnson
  5211. 11:24pm
  5212. Cement MixerJohnson
  5213.  
  5214. That might be a good thing considering how good it was before though.
  5215. Ricardo Ferreira
  5216. 11:25pm
  5217. Ricardo Ferreira
  5218.  
  5219. exaclt
  5220.  
  5221. *exactly
  5222.  
  5223. rick
  5224.  
  5225. i'm going to sleep
  5226.  
  5227. i had a blast takling to you
  5228. Cement MixerJohnson
  5229. 11:26pm
  5230. Cement MixerJohnson
  5231.  
  5232. Sure, I should've gone to sleep a while ago lol.
  5233. Ricardo Ferreira
  5234. 11:26pm
  5235. Ricardo Ferreira
  5236.  
  5237. pm me anytime dude
  5238. Cement MixerJohnson
  5239. 11:26pm
  5240. Cement MixerJohnson
  5241.  
  5242. Yeah, I enjoyed talking to you guys too.
  5243. Ricardo Ferreira
  5244. 11:26pm
  5245. Ricardo Ferreira
  5246.  
  5247. glad you did :]
  5248. Cement MixerJohnson
  5249. 11:26pm
  5250. Cement MixerJohnson
  5251.  
  5252. Sure.
  5253.  
  5254. Ok, let's finish up here then.
  5255. Ricardo Ferreira
  5256. 11:26pm
  5257. Ricardo Ferreira
  5258.  
  5259. yeah
  5260.  
  5261. Well, was fun guys
  5262.  
  5263. we'll be posting this log tomorrow so people who didn't follow can do so
  5264. Dylan Mayers
  5265. 11:27pm
  5266. Dylan Mayers
  5267.  
  5268. So much to catch up on
  5269. Rriiver Nyile
  5270. 11:27pm
  5271. Rriiver Nyile
  5272. Ricardo Ferreira
  5273. 11:27pm
  5274. Ricardo Ferreira
  5275.  
  5276. Was fun hosting
  5277.  
  5278. oh, and obii, if you're reading this
  5279.  
  5280. fuck you
  5281. Rriiver Nyile
  5282. 11:27pm
  5283. Rriiver Nyile
  5284.  
  5285. 3 hours 30 minutes
  5286.  
  5287. my lord
  5288.  
  5289. LLOLOLOLOLOLOOL
  5290. Ricardo Ferreira
  5291. 11:27pm
  5292. Ricardo Ferreira
  5293.  
  5294. i had to host for your bitch ass
  5295.  
  5296. rriiver, post this shit, i need some sleep
  5297. Rriiver Nyile
  5298. 11:28pm
  5299. Rriiver Nyile
  5300.  
  5301. :joy::joy:
  5302.  
  5303. IGHT
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