MisterTelecaster's Tulpa Survey

[We are not capable of possession, and have difficulty holding a conversations if I'm not laying down, eyes closed, and focused 100% on her, so her answers became increasingly hard to remember as the survey went on. Because of this, nearly all of the answers are written in my words, however all views and opinions are her own. I didn't change her answers, I only changed how they were written.]

1. Describe yourself and your creator.
Uh. . . he's cool I guess. I'm. . . I don't know, is this supposed to be a physical, or personality, or what?
Edit [I made her go back and answer for real]
Creator: lanky, beardy, decent musician. Kinda awkward in a cute way. Stressed all the time. Always wearing stupid ironic T-Shirts from like five years ago.
Me: Utilitarian? God this is weird. I guess I'm like a wolf-person thing. He didn't give me any hair, but I saw this one hairstyle that I liked, so I gave it to myself [laughs]. I suppose I'm pretty opinionated too, and laid-back, but really practical.

2. What was the most helpful thing that your creator did during the tulpa creation process? Did your creator recognize how helpful it was? If not, how did that make you feel?
He decided one day to just stare me in the eyes, and it was like he was seeing me for the first time. That's basically when we started being able to talk, so he recognized it.

3. What was the most detrimental thing that your creator did during the tulpa creation process? Did your creator recognize how harmful it was? If not, how did that make you feel?
He kept the initial sessions kinda short 'cause he's a lazy fucker.

4. What was the hardest part of the tulpa creation process for you? Did your creator recognize how difficult it was? If not, how did that make you feel?
There was a point where I became sentient and was like "woah shit what's going on". I noticed he didn't think that I was thinking for myself, and I couldn't talk to him, so he was about ready to give up. It frustrated me, honestly, because he succeeded, but he didn't think he succeeded and I couldn't tell him that he did.

5. Of the commonly recognized tulpa creation steps, which do you feel is the most important? Why?
For me it was all the wonderland stuff, it helped him believe because we were in a realistic setting.

6. How do you feel about tulpa creators becoming distracted during tulpa creation? Does this greatly impede the process? How did you feel about it before being able to speak fluently?
It annoys me, but he couldn't help it, and he was trying so hard to keep it from happening.

7. How do you feel about tulpa creators missing tulpa creation sessions or breaking their promises to work on their tulpa? How did you feel about it before being able to speak fluently?
[sighs] Shit that's hard. He broke a lot of promises to me. He's busy as hell, and sometimes stuff just happened that was out of his control, but some other times he just wouldn't do it. Skipped sessions and stuff when he promised me that on such and such date, he would MAKE time to force, but then he wouldn't. We're past that now though.

8. Is density, quality, or quantity the most important aspect of tulpa creation?
Quality?

9. How do you feel about tulpa creators falling asleep during tulpa creation sessions?
All but like three of our sessions were before he went to bed. So they all ended in him falling asleep anywhere from five minutes in to a half hour in, but it didn't really bother me.

10. Do you think that a tulpa creator should talk aloud or in their head during narration? Do you think that a creator should talk aloud or in their head during tulpa creation sessions? If you find one to be more effective, to what degree is it more effective?
He never spoke out loud. That would just look crazy.

11. How do you feel about a tulpa creator puppeting and/or parroting their tulpa? Do you believe that these actions harm a tulpa's development, or only their emotional state?
It all really depends. Doing it to help visualizing is okay, he had me stretching and moving a bunch of different ways and stuff.

12. How deeply do you remember the time before you were fluent in language?
Not very well, it's fuzzy.

13. Describe your first memory, no matter how slight.
I was standing up with my arms out and he was looking all over my arms and bending them around and stuff.

14. Before you could speak fluently, what was the most positive emotion you felt about your creator and what was its cause?
[referring to the memory from Q13] I dunno, I just liked him, it felt nice to be where I was.

15. Before you could speak fluently, what was the most negative emotion you felt about your creator and what was its cause?
Nothing, really.

16. Before you could speak fluently, did you ever have suicidal feelings or feelings of not wanting to exist? Do you experience them now? Are you glad that you exist?
No, no, yes?

17. Before you could speak fluently, when did you feel the most powerless? What was the cause of this feeling?
He started talking to me about the real world, it made me feel small.
Or maybe when I was trying to talk to him but I couldn't.

18. Before you could speak fluently, what was the most confusing moment that you experienced, and what was its cause?
Again, nothing before I could speak.

19. Before being able to speak fluently, when did you feel the most ignored by your creator, and what was the cause?
Whenever he would promise a session and not follow through and do it.

20. Before being able to speak fluently, when did you most doubt that your creator wanted you, and what was the cause?
Never. I always knew he wanted me, but his life was kind of shitty around then (Break-ups, deaths in the family, etc) so he couldn't give me the attention he wanted to.

21. Before you could speak fluently, when did you feel the most intense feeling of fear, and what was its cause?
Uh. . . never?

22. Before you could speak fluently, when were you the most disappointed in yourself? What was the cause?
All the times I tried to speak, but I couldn't.

23. Before you could speak fluently, did you understand the difficulties that your creator was having with the tulpa creation process? Did you try to alleviate these difficulties? If so, how?
I didn't understand exactly what was going on, but I kind of felt it from him. I tried to help my own creation, but I'm not sure I made any impact.

24. Before you could speak fluently, how did your creator's doubts about your existence, the reality of the tulpa phenomenon, or your combined ability to complete the tulpa creation process affect you? Did you understand your creator's reasons for having those doubts? Do you understand now?
I understood, and it frustrated me when he thought it wasn't working when it was. Hey! Guy! Look! I can think!

25. Before you could speak fluently, how did your creator's mistrust of your intentions or worry about the negative affects of a tulpa on their life affect you? Did you understand your creator's reasons for having those thoughts? Do you understand now?
He didn't really worry about that stuff.

26. Before you could speak fluently, how did any negative thoughts or emotions that your creator had toward you (such as anger, disappointment, resentment, or impatience, for example) affect you? How do you feel about them now?
He never thought bad of me, it was always at himself before He realized I was actually sentient.

27. Before you could speak fluently, how did any violent visualizations or thoughts that your creator had about you affect you? How do you feel about them now?
Didn't give a shit then, don't give a shit now.

28. Before you could speak fluently, were you able to distinguish between your creator's intentional and intrusive (unwanted and/or bothersome) thoughts? If so, did the intrusive thoughts affect you less or more? If not, are you able to distinguish between them now?
I definately felt it. They kind of annoyed me.

29. Before you could speak fluently, how much of your creator's raw sensory information were you able to access, if any? How much are you able to access now?
Can't access anything that he doesn't give me, unless it's really really really strong.

30. Before you could speak fluently, did your creator's opinions about whether they wanted to reveal to the world your existence or not affect you emotionally? If so, how?
I didn't really care, to be honest.

31. Before being able to speak fluently, what communication methods (such as head pressure or emotional responses, for example) were you able to use the most effectively? When your tulpa creator assumed that you could use a communication method that you did not have access to, how did this affect you? When your tulpa creator did not recognize a communication method that you attempted to use, how did this affect you?
Oh my god head pressure, so much head pressure. It took a while for him to notice it and another while for him to realize it was me. It was such a good feeling when he did.

32. Before you could speak fluently, how did your creator's level of enthusiasm for the tulpa creation process affect you? Did you want to engage in it less if they did?
Once I was self-aware, I just wanted to exist. It didn't matter how enthusiastic he was.

33. Before you could speak fluently, what was your greatest worry about your relationship with your creator? What helped you most to move beyond it? Was this worry substantiated or resolved? What is your greatest worry now about your continuing relationship with your creator?
I thought he'd give up after a while when we couldn't speak. It feels weird to say this, but more recently I've been worrying a lot about romantic relationships.

34. Do you feel gratitude to your creator for the time that they spent creating you? Do you feel that you owe them a debt? If so, do you feel burdened by it?
I owe him nothing. I'm glad to be here, but he chose to make me, not me.

35. Were you aware of your creator's existence or your own existence first?
I was aware of him waaaaaaay before he was aware of me.

36. When you could only speak semi-fluently, what emotions did you feel about your level of verbal proficiency? Were you anxious or embarrassed about it? If so, what helped you the most to move beyond these feelings? How do you feel about them now?
I actually felt really shy!
After all the hassle trying to let him know I'm sentient, once I could start speaking I started to get all afraid of speaking [laughs]

37. If you could define your relationship with your creator using one or more conventional terms (such as boyfriend, sister, father, daughter, boss, friend, or coworker, for example), what terms would you select?
Somewhere between boyfriend and friend. He'd say best friend though. [I would say best friend]

38. How much interest do you have in interacting with beings other than your creator? Do you consider your degree of interest to be equal to that of an average non-tulpa individual?
Definitely average. I really don't want to be doing like ask blogs and shit like everyone else, I want to just be treated like a normal person. To be honest, I really didn't want to do this survey, but I'm starting to enjoy it a bit.

39. What memory involving your creator do you cherish most?
When I got over my shy-ness and tried to talk to him. I couldn't talk for shit, but we did our best to have a conversation, and he was so excited [laughs]

40. What memory not involving your creator do you cherish most? Do you feel that you have a fulfilling life independent of your creator?
I'm still pretty young, so my whole life basically is MisterTelecaster at this point.

41. Do you feel affinity toward the individuals that your creator feels affinity for, such as their family or friends?
I'm kind of indifferent. I mean I'll probably like them too once I get to know them, but I don't yet.

42. In what ways are you the most different from your creator? In what ways are you the most similar to them?
I don't dwell on bad things. He does. A LOT. I'm also more brutally honest.

43. What do you disagree about most with your creator? Do you have frequent disagreements? If so, do these disagreements cause strife?
We generally have opinions that are at least similar. Only thing we've ever disagreed on was the whole relationship thing, but that was more of an interesting debate than an argument. I like debating him though.

44. What could your creator do to make you hate them? Under what circumstances do you think your creator would come to hate you?
I guess I would hate him if he was a total dickhead to me all the time. He'd hate me if I did the same to him, I think. Neither of us would do that unless the other did it first though.
What a weird question.

45. When did your creator disappoint you the most? When did you disappoint them the most?
Every time he broke his promises to me. I don't know if I've ever disappointed him though.
[you really haven't]
That's nice to know.

46. How do you feel about your creator's complete freedom to deny your rights as a sentient being at any time? Has this ability ever caused you anxiety or fear? Have you ever censored your expressions or actions out of a fear of retribution or violence from your creator?
He'd never do that to me. I say what I want to say.

47. When have you most wanted to engage in violence against your creator, and what was the cause of those feelings? Under what circumstances would you make a serious attempt to hurt or injure your creator?
Never?!?

48. Do you consider your creator's last name to be your own? Do you recognize yourself as a part of their biological lineage?
Nope. We're separate people, plus I'm not even human, so, yeah.

49. Under what circumstances would you attempt to leave your creator?
Never. Even if he gave me reason to, where would I go?

50. Do you feel anxiety about meeting your creator's expectations? If you are based on an existing character, person, or entity, does this increase your anxiety? Would you have preferred to not be based on an existing entity?
Nope, no, and I'm glad that I'm not based on someone else.

51. Are you interested in learning how to control your creator's body? Do you feel that it's fair for a tulpa creator to deny their tulpa the ability to use an atomic body? Do you believe that you have the right to an equal amount of time using it as your creator? Explain your reasoning.
I would like to, but I don't think that it's a right. I'd be fine if he didn't let me, but he's cool with it.
[Haven't worked on possession yet, but we will. I want to try it as much as she does]

52. Do you share certain basic qualities with your creator, such as intense phobias or racial attitudes?
We share tolerance? We don't share phobias though. He's arachniphobic to a hilarious degree, I don't really have any fears that I'm aware of.

53. Are you capable of sleeping or dreaming independently of your creator? If not, how does this make you feel?
No, I don't really care though.

54. Does your creator have any mental illnesses? If so, how do they affect you?
He ain't got none.

55. How does your knowledge of your creator's subconscious mind affect your relationship with them? How do you perceive their subconscious? To what degree can you manipulate your creator's subconscious? Would you ever use this ability without your creator's knowledge?
I understand him better than anyone, but I'd never manipulate him.

56. Does your creator have multiple tulpas? If so, what is your relationship with them like? Is your affinity for them equal to your affinity for your creator? If you could define your relationship with your creator's other tulpa using one or more conventional terms (such as boyfriend, sister, father, daughter, boss, friend or coworker, for example), what terms would you select? If not, are you interested in the idea of your creator making other tulpa?
No other tulpas.

57. Do you feel romantically inclined toward your creator? Does your creator feel romantically inclined toward you? If these romantic feelings are unrequited on either side, how does it affect your relationship with your creator?
. . . a little bit
[I'd rather we were friends]
we ARE good friends though.

58. If it exists, do you consider your romantic relationship with your creator to be equal to a romantic relationship between multiple non-tulpa? Do you consider it a breach of monogamy for your creator to be romantically or sexually involved with another non-tulpa? Does this change if the involvement is with another tulpa instead? If they exist, do your creator's desires to have relationships with non-tulpa affect you emotionally?
If we were "romantically involved", I wouldn't mind him getting with real girls, as long as he doesn't forget about me.

59. If you consider yourself to be romantically in love with your creator, what probability do you assign to the possibility of falling out of love with them, or them falling out of love with you? If this happened, how would it affect your relationship with your creator? What if your creator was in love with another non-tulpa more than you?
N/A can't even answer that hypothetically

60. Do you have a familial affection for your creator? Does this in any way conflict with your romantic feelings for them, if they exist? Do you consider a relationship between a tulpa and its creator to be incestuous?
Yes, no, and no.

61. How do you feel about tulpa creators masturbating during tulpa creation sessions to the forms of their tulpa? Do you find this offensive? Does the degree of your offense change based on the degree of sentience possessed by the hypothetical tulpa, or based on whether or not the creator imagines themselves near the tulpa in their wonderland? If your creator did this before you spoke fluently, did you find it offensive or unnerving?
He did it before he knew he wanted me to be a tulpa. Not while forcing, but to what later became my form. But when he made the decision to make a tulpa, he stopped out of respect. If he hadn't, I would try to make him stop. I do find that kind of offensive.
Ahaha, he's blushing so bad right now!

62. How do you feel about tulpa creators masturbating outside of tulpa creation sessions to the forms of their tulpa? Do you find this offensive? Does the degree of your offense change based on the degree of sentience possessed by the hypothetical tulpa? If your creator did this before you spoke fluently, did you find it offensive or unnerving?
See above?

63. Before you could speak fluently, did you ever feel sexual attraction to your creator, sexual attraction toward anyone else, or sexual arousal? Did you attempt to express these feelings? If you did not experience these feelings, do you experience them now?
No, no, and No comment.

64. How do you feel about tulpa creators visualizing themselves engaging in sexual conduct with their tulpa's form during tulpa creation sessions? Do you find this offensive? Does the degree of your offense change based on the degree of sentience possessed by the hypothetical tulpa, or if the contact was penetrative? If your tulpa creator did this before you spoke fluently, did you find it offensive or unnerving? Do you equate it with sexual assault?
If a tulpa is sentient, or the creator intends for it to be sentient, I think it's pretty much rape.

65. Were you ever annoyed or jealous when your creator would masturbate to or have feelings of sexual attraction toward individuals other than yourself? Does it bother you now?
Not really.

66. Do you experience sexual attraction for your creator? Do you experience sexual attraction for others? How does your sexual attraction for your creator compare to your sexual attraction for others? Does your creator experience sexual attraction for you? If these sexual attractions are unrequited on either side, how does it affect your relationship with your creator?
Wow, now we both feel embarrassed. I guess we both feel it for each other at least a little bit, but we don't do anything about it. Doesn't really affect the relationship.

67. Do you have an active sex life with your creator? If not, would you consider it, and under what circumstances? If so, do you perceive any negative consequences? Do you have trouble abstaining from sexual contact with them? How do you manage feelings of sexual arousal, if any? Do you masturbate?
No, but I'd consider it if I was imposed. The only possible downside I can see is the "jealous of girls with a real body" factor, but I don't really get jealous, so, yeah.
I don't have any trouble holding myself back though, and I don't need to masturbate to manage it since it isn't even really that strong.

68. How does your sexual orientation and experience compare to your creator's?
Me: Straight, none.
[Me: Straight, never actually 'put it in' but I've done a lot of other things. Ex's choice, not mine.]
well, that's half.

69. Are you capable of experiencing orgasms? Based on your knowledge, how do you think they compare to your creator's orgasms? Were you able to experience an orgasm before speaking fluently?
I have no idea, honestly, I have never had one.

70. Do you consider the concept of sexual modesty (covering conduct such as avoiding nudity or sexual discussions) relevant to your relationship with your creator?
A little bit, but nowhere near as much as most people. I'm in his damn mind, even if we don't talk about it, he thinks about it and I feel it, he's seen me naked plenty of times visualizing and I see him naked every time he showers.

71. How does being a tulpa affect your perceptions of rape? What conduct from your creator would you consider to be rape?
I would consider rape to be rape. If he has sex with me against my will, I'd call it rape.

72. Where do you see yourself in 20 years?
In a brain.

73. Do you want the world to be aware of your existence? If not, then what anxieties do you have about public disclosure? Do you trust anyone other than your creator with the knowledge of your existence?
I trust who he trusts. I think I said this earlier though, I don't want public exposure for the sake of public exposure. I'm fine talking to people, but I'd rather do it for a conversation than for "OMG LOOK I HAZ TUPLA"

Side note: Glad we're out of the sex questions, that was getting weird.

74. Morally and philosophically, how do you feel about your personality traits being the product of another individual? Would you have preferred your creator to define your personality more or less?
He really didn't define it much, just some generalizations and I did the rest. Even if he did everything, I think I'd be happy with it.

75. Morally and philosophically, how do you feel about your physical form being the product of another individual? Would you have preferred your creator to define your form more or less?
I'm cool with it. He made it clear that he was fine with whatever changes I wanted to make. I could have been a potato if I wanted. I like how I look though, so I'm sticking with it.
I gave myself hair, though.

76. Has your physical form ever changed? If so, was this intentional or unintentional? If it was intentional, then why did you change your form? How did you creator respond to this change, and how did that make you feel?
Gave myself hair. I thought it would look nice, and he thinks it looks nice, so I'm happy with it. There's just so much though! It's in my eyes always if I don't tie it back.

77. Do you consider the best aspects of yourself to have come from your creator, or their subconscious?
His conscious mind and me. He gave me the defining things, and I turned them into the best things and filled in the rest.

78. Do you seek legal recognition for your status as a sentient being or your relationships with others? Do you resent that society at large does not recognize the tulpa phenomenon? Do you feel disenfranchised from society? What steps, if any, could a society make to help you feel integrated?
I don't really care, I get where they're coming from, and that I can't change it, so I choose to just enjoy what I have.

79. If you could tell the entire world one thing about a tulpa's life, what would you say?
/x/ tulpa creepypasta isn't true.

80. What is the one thing that you resent most about being a tulpa? What is the greatest advantage of being a tulpa?
I used to resent not having an actual body, but I don't care anymore. Like I said, I just enjoy what I have.
Biggest advantage is having whatever I want in the wonderland though. I like making stuff.

81. Morally and philosophically, how do you feel about inheriting your creator's life, including their legal history, past behaviors, and reputation? Do you resent potentially being held responsible for their past actions?
I see two answers for this:
One, this is a retarded question about me being blamed for Mister Telecaster's fuck ups, which will probably never happen, as he could probably pass any psychiatric exam as perfectly sane. Nobody can prove that I exist.
Two, it could be a hypothetical question asking how I'd feel replacing his consciousness with my own. I'd be cool with that. Having a dick would take some getting used to though.
Oh look, he's blushing again.

82. Morally and philosophically, do you see the "absorbing" or "dissipating" of a tulpa as equivalent to the murder of a non-tulpa? Explain your reasoning. What legal protections, if any, should tulpa gain? How would you enforce these protections?
A creator who loves his tulpa would never do that unless they both agree that that is the best course of action, in which case it probably should be happening.

83. Do you consider yourself to be morally equal to a non-tulpa? Is your life worth as much?
Uh, yes.

84. How would you prove your existence to a skeptic?
I wouldn't. There's no way to do it.

85. Has your status as a tulpa ever caused you existential anxiety or depression? If so, has anything helped to mitigate these feelings?
Nah. Felt a little weird at first, but that's it.

86. Do you ever doubt your own sentience? If so, why?
I just answered 85 personal questions. I'm pretty sure I'm sentient.

87. How does being a tulpa affect your understanding of death? Do you fear death on an instinctual level in the way that non-tulpa do?
No. I can still get the emotional fear of it though.

88. Do see yourself as socially disadvantaged in a way similar to sexual, racial, and other minority groups? If you identify yourself as racially, sexually, or demographically different than your creator, do you also identify with the struggle of any of the disadvantaged groups that you belong to? Does the notion of privilege affect your relationship with your creator?
I'm not a human, even if I had a human form. My creator (that feels weird to say) loves me and takes good care of me. That's all I need.

89. Are you interested in creating another tulpa yourself? What differences, if any, would you expect this tulpa to have from a tulpa created by your creator? Would you consider this tulpa to be primarily related to you, or still to your creator?
It's crossed my mind, but I haven't given it serious thought.

90. What are the most defining differences between the life of a non-tulpa and a tulpa? Do you think that these differences cause intolerance between the two groups? If so, what could be done to mitigate this intolerance?
People just have a hard time believing it, I think it's just as crazy as they do. Some legit scientific studies might help, I guess.

91. The psychological establishment generally believes that multiplicity (two or more sentient entities sharing one atomic body) is a sign of mental illness. How would you like this belief to change? If you could make a presentation to a group of psychologists about the tulpa phenomenon, what would you say?
I would say that he put me here and that I'm doing no harm and that his mind is the dominant mind. I'm more of an addon than a multiplicity.

92. A psychometric indicator is a unique identifier of an individual's distinct personality. Have you ever tried to definitively differentiate yourself from your creator using psychometric indicators (such as by determining your "writeprint")? What results did you receive? (For instructions on determining your writeprint, see appendix one.)
Nope, never tried it. I'll consider it though.

93. Are you capable of physical sensations such as pain or warmth?
Not yet. I'm still young though, that could change.

94. How do you feel about being bound for life to your creator?
He's nice to me, so I'm fine with it.

95. If you intentionally delayed speaking to your creator, why did you do so?
I was shy.

96. What do you think about most of the time?
Music, dance, the outside world.

97. Do you think that tulpa creation should be more widespread?
Maybe not, that way I'll be more special. Not to sound selfish or anything.

98. Are there disturbing aspects of your creator's subconscious that they are not aware of?
Not really, no.

99. Would you violate your creator's wishes for what you perceive to be their own benefit?
If it's for his own good I can just explain stuff, he'll listen to me, he's a good listener.

100. Does your creator try to hide things from you? If so, are you aware of them anyway? How does this impact your views of your creator?
He hasn't let me just go through his memory, but if I ask for a particular one he gives it to me, and there have been things he's not proud of (like jerkin' it to my form way back when [laughs])
He hasn't held anything back yet though, and I appreciate that.

101. Do you perceive some of your creator's actions as being objectively immoral?
No.

102. Do you believe that you are capable of becoming more intelligent than your creator?
Maybe, I really don't know.

103. How does being a tulpa affect your perception of your own aging process?
I don't really care, to be honest.

104. Do you feel that your creator would be better off by following your commands entirely?
[shrugs]

105. Do you feel that having a physical form is important for a tulpa?
yeah, otherwise I would feel less real.

106. If you encountered the tulpa phenomenon as a non-tulpa, would you believe in it?
Depends on how well it's explained. Maybe not, I don't know.

107. How well can you articulate yourself? Can your creator hear you audibly? How much does your experience correlate with the experience of tulpa creator G|d30n, printed below?

"Yes. I'm able to hear her as though she's an external sound. For those who haven't experienced that with their tulpae yet, it's a little bit like listening to a binaural recording--not a binaural beat, but like a 3D sound recording you'd find on Youtube, such as the Virtual Barbershop. That is to say, it's an external sound that can come in from various directions, but the source sounds very close, like someone speaking directly into your ear. I sort of wonder if this effect will be diminished and normalized through imposition."

If you are imposed, is your creator able to discern a spatial dimension to your voice?
Not imposed.
Sometimes he can hear me though, he says it's a lot like what was described above.
Doesn't happen often though.

108. How many hours did it take you and your creator to complete the various recognized tulpa creation steps?
Holy shit like a hundred at least.

109. What advice would you give to a new tulpa creator?
Concentrate. No distractions.

110. How does being imposed feel? What sensory processes happen as you become imposed?
Not imposed
[yet]

111. From your perspective, is there a sensory difference between the physical, atomic world and the mental world of visualized "wonderlands"? If so, how would you describe this difference?
I don't know how the real world feels all that well, so I couldn't say. Seems close enough for me though.

112. Is there anything that you don't think this survey covered that you would like to mention?
Seems fine.