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  1.  
  2. aragakiayase [4:47 PM]
  3. hi
  4.  
  5. xiz [11:19 PM]
  6. hi
  7.  
  8. ​[11:19]
  9. congratz you are the first person to contact me
  10.  
  11.  
  12. ----- December 5th -----
  13. aragakiayase [2:55 AM]
  14. I'm going to sleep now but let's talk more before day end
  15.  
  16. xiz [2:10 PM]
  17. more then the word hi?
  18.  
  19. aragakiayase [2:10 PM]
  20. yeah
  21.  
  22. ​[2:11]
  23. how's it oging
  24.  
  25. ​[2:11]
  26. *going
  27.  
  28. xiz [2:14 PM]
  29. FUCK 1600 NEW MESSAAGES zzzzzzzz
  30.  
  31. ​[2:14]
  32. i hate oott lol
  33.  
  34. ​[2:14]
  35. give me a bit to read that
  36.  
  37. aragakiayase [2:14 PM]
  38. ok
  39.  
  40. aragakiayase [2:25 PM]
  41. changed my picture just for you
  42.  
  43. xiz [2:27 PM]
  44. aragakiayase [10:25 AM]
  45. see here we go with your confidence again
  46.  
  47. ​[10:26]
  48. you think you're always 100% right
  49.  
  50. ^ I literally said this before you typed it
  51.  
  52. ​[2:28]
  53. FUCK LOST MY PLACE
  54.  
  55. aragakiayase [2:28 PM]
  56. ?
  57.  
  58. ​[2:28]
  59. I didn't see it lol
  60.  
  61. ​[2:28]
  62. oh like actually said it not said it in chat
  63.  
  64. xiz [2:31 PM]
  65. k im done
  66.  
  67. aragakiayase [2:31 PM]
  68. any thoughts
  69.  
  70. xiz [2:32 PM]
  71. - Gradiant hasnt done shit this game
  72.  
  73. aragakiayase [2:32 PM]
  74. also you can quote people
  75.  
  76. ​[2:32]
  77. like this https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FUXLM34/p1449343925000018
  78. Vincexiz
  79. - Gradiant hasnt done shit this game
  80. Dec 5th at 2:32 PM
  81.  
  82. xiz [2:32 PM]
  83. how do i do that
  84.  
  85. ​[2:32]
  86. lol
  87.  
  88. aragakiayase [2:32 PM]
  89. hover over a quote then on the right there's a ...
  90.  
  91. ​[2:32]
  92. click for more actions including copy link
  93.  
  94. xiz [2:32 PM]
  95. https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FUXLM34/p1449343953000024
  96. Ethanaragakiayase
  97. hover over a quote then on the right there's a ...
  98. Dec 5th at 2:32 PM
  99.  
  100. ​[2:32]
  101. kk ty
  102.  
  103. aragakiayase [2:32 PM]
  104. is gradiant scumreading you i forget
  105.  
  106. xiz [2:33 PM]
  107. i think he is but for no real reason
  108.  
  109. ​[2:33]
  110. also xel is top town
  111.  
  112. ​[2:33]
  113. OR
  114.  
  115. ​[2:33]
  116. top wolf
  117.  
  118. aragakiayase [2:33 PM]
  119. why? I have no read on xel actually
  120.  
  121. ​[2:33]
  122. oh
  123.  
  124. xiz [2:33 PM]
  125. lol
  126.  
  127. aragakiayase [2:33 PM]
  128. he's floating perfectly null
  129.  
  130. ​[2:34]
  131. I said at some point that it felt like he was doing narrative/guiding people
  132.  
  133. xiz [2:34 PM]
  134. This is the first game I have ever seen him actually try
  135.  
  136. aragakiayase [2:34 PM]
  137. but he did that one game as town
  138.  
  139. ​[2:34]
  140. I also haven't seen much shitposting either
  141.  
  142. xiz [2:34 PM]
  143. first time i have seen it so its new for me
  144.  
  145. aragakiayase [2:34 PM]
  146. gradiant is so UTR it's disgusting
  147.  
  148. ​[2:34]
  149. toxzic to a lesser extent
  150.  
  151. xiz [2:34 PM]
  152. As of now i more wanna kill rzr/gradiant/??
  153.  
  154. ​[2:35]
  155. prob charu idk
  156.  
  157. aragakiayase [2:35 PM]
  158. charu isn't shitposting at all which leans me towards town but also confuses me
  159.  
  160. xiz [2:35 PM]
  161. charu has done a lot of filler
  162.  
  163. aragakiayase [2:35 PM]
  164. because he normally always shitpost?
  165.  
  166. ​[2:35]
  167. hmm maybe I should iso him
  168.  
  169. xiz [2:35 PM]
  170. no charu doesnt
  171.  
  172. aragakiayase [2:35 PM]
  173. hmm maybe it's the last few games I've played with him
  174.  
  175. xiz [2:36 PM]
  176. if he was pm'n everyone and just that - thats different
  177.  
  178. ​[2:36]
  179. but from the looks of it he hasnt pm'd either of us
  180.  
  181. aragakiayase [2:36 PM]
  182. wait how would him pming him change your read?
  183.  
  184. ​[2:36]
  185. towards town or wolf?
  186.  
  187. xiz [2:36 PM]
  188. because he has done nothing
  189.  
  190. ​[2:36]
  191. if he has been not been posting in thread
  192.  
  193. ​[2:37]
  194. but just pm'n everyone
  195.  
  196. ​[2:37]
  197. i can see that as towny
  198.  
  199. ​[2:37]
  200. becuase thats what i was going to do this game lol
  201.  
  202. aragakiayase [2:37 PM]
  203. and then no one PMed you :stuck_out_tongue:
  204.  
  205. xiz [2:37 PM]
  206. but i got too sick at the start of d1 and forgot
  207.  
  208. aragakiayase [2:37 PM]
  209. rip
  210.  
  211. xiz [2:37 PM]
  212. you and box reached out to me thats it
  213.  
  214. ​[2:38]
  215. this is gonna be scumread so hard but unless its super dire im waiting for everyone to pm me first
  216.  
  217. ​[2:38]
  218. dont tell anyone about that tho
  219.  
  220. ​[2:38]
  221. yet
  222.  
  223. aragakiayase [2:38 PM]
  224. lol i won't
  225.  
  226. ​[2:38]
  227. honestly I don't think it's that alignment indicative
  228.  
  229. ​[2:38]
  230. although I find it interesting that neither rzr/dlgn has talked to you
  231.  
  232. ​[2:39]
  233. since they've been the most proactive about talking to people
  234.  
  235. xiz [2:39 PM]
  236. yup
  237.  
  238. aragakiayase [2:39 PM]
  239. idk what to think about it now but it might be good to look at later
  240.  
  241. xiz [2:40 PM]
  242. dlgn went from town to soft scum but, idk
  243.  
  244. ​[2:40]
  245. hes not a good d1 lynch
  246.  
  247. aragakiayase [2:40 PM]
  248. he's moved up a bit towards town
  249.  
  250. ​[2:40]
  251. but he seems very controlling which I don't like
  252.  
  253. xiz [2:40 PM]
  254. hes over confident
  255.  
  256. ​[2:40]
  257. this early
  258.  
  259. ​[2:40]
  260. also
  261.  
  262. ​[2:40]
  263. how da fuck has nobody else picked up on the rzr full reads list
  264.  
  265. ​[2:41]
  266. like idk thats a big mafia sign
  267.  
  268. aragakiayase [2:41 PM]
  269. https://twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449271613001693
  270.  
  271. ​[2:41]
  272. oh rip that doesn't work
  273.  
  274. ​[2:41]
  275. but dlgn is either dumb town or wolf
  276.  
  277. ​[2:41]
  278. idk rzr seems like paranoid town again
  279.  
  280. ​[2:41]
  281. he's playing almost the same as last game
  282.  
  283. ​[2:41]
  284. which you weren't in but that's why I actually have him as town
  285.  
  286. xiz [2:41 PM]
  287. oh
  288.  
  289. aragakiayase [2:41 PM]
  290. he's trying really hard
  291.  
  292. xiz [2:42 PM]
  293. how strong are you on that
  294.  
  295. ​[2:42]
  296. like
  297.  
  298. aragakiayase [2:42 PM]
  299. like
  300.  
  301. xiz [2:42 PM]
  302. how confident are you on that read
  303.  
  304. aragakiayase [2:42 PM]
  305. probably stronger town than most
  306.  
  307. ​[2:42]
  308. probably my strongest read actually
  309.  
  310. xiz [2:42 PM]
  311. okay ill reconsider
  312.  
  313. ​[2:42]
  314. but still like
  315.  
  316. aragakiayase [2:42 PM]
  317. he's very invested
  318.  
  319. xiz [2:42 PM]
  320. that reads list is something you do as a mafia
  321.  
  322. aragakiayase [2:42 PM]
  323. as wolf he tries to mislead people but I don't see that here
  324.  
  325. xiz [2:42 PM]
  326. ive caught 3-4 mafia doing that
  327.  
  328. ​[2:42]
  329. d1
  330.  
  331. aragakiayase [2:42 PM]
  332. I wouldn't actually know because I've never seen someone do that before
  333.  
  334. ​[2:43]
  335. but I see how that makes sense (I think?)
  336.  
  337. xiz [2:43 PM]
  338. think of it like this
  339.  
  340. ​[2:43]
  341. usually new-er mafia try to blend into town as best they can by trying to lead it, because they think "hey this newbie is leading and taking charge he isnt mafia lol"
  342.  
  343. ​[2:43]
  344. but then when they post a full list of reads early d1 when people havent even spoken yet
  345.  
  346. ​[2:44]
  347. usually doing that proves you are trying too hard
  348.  
  349. aragakiayase [2:44 PM]
  350. rzr goes full tryhard as town though so yeah
  351.  
  352. xiz [2:45 PM]
  353. well ill reconsider then
  354.  
  355. ​[2:45]
  356. if that so then, i want to look at gradiant and tokzic then
  357.  
  358. aragakiayase [2:45 PM]
  359. yeah
  360.  
  361. ​[2:45]
  362. like I said both playing super utr
  363.  
  364. xiz [2:45 PM]
  365. tokzic i think is town but
  366.  
  367. ​[2:45]
  368. he needs to speak more
  369.  
  370. aragakiayase [2:46 PM]
  371. how do you read toxzic
  372.  
  373. ​[2:46]
  374. because I have no idea
  375.  
  376. ​[2:46]
  377. the only game I played with him was the anime north one
  378.  
  379. xiz [2:46 PM]
  380. its not really how i read him its what he says that tells
  381.  
  382. ​[2:46]
  383. and him getting confused lol
  384.  
  385. aragakiayase [2:46 PM]
  386. where yoshl hardclaimed wolf and toxzic refused to do shit and got mislynched
  387.  
  388. ​[2:46]
  389. getting confused = more town?
  390.  
  391. xiz [2:46 PM]
  392. well, that game was bullshit
  393.  
  394. aragakiayase [2:46 PM]
  395. yeah
  396.  
  397. ​[2:46]
  398. so it doesn't even count
  399.  
  400. xiz [2:47 PM]
  401. and no confused =/= town
  402.  
  403. ​[2:47]
  404. its how he reacts to confusion
  405.  
  406. ​[2:47]
  407. by confronting it or side stepping it
  408.  
  409. ​[2:47]
  410. idk why tokzic hasnt posted more but w/e
  411.  
  412. aragakiayase [2:47 PM]
  413. oh
  414.  
  415. xiz [2:47 PM]
  416. if i vote him its because i think he is town and he needs to speak more
  417.  
  418. aragakiayase [2:48 PM]
  419. I asked this earlier and I don't remember if you answered, but why do you think V is town
  420.  
  421. ​[2:48]
  422. last game his posts seemed super towny to me up until when I thought he slipped
  423.  
  424. ​[2:48]
  425. and he was wolf
  426.  
  427. xiz [2:48 PM]
  428. him shooting down dlgn's posts
  429.  
  430. ​[2:48]
  431. and telling them how flawed they are
  432.  
  433. ​[2:48]
  434. is towny to me
  435.  
  436. aragakiayase [2:49 PM]
  437. does he do that as a wolf
  438.  
  439. xiz [2:49 PM]
  440. it feels different
  441.  
  442. ​[2:49]
  443. im more relating it to V play like, two years ago
  444.  
  445. ​[2:49]
  446. okay so
  447.  
  448. ​[2:49]
  449. if you really wanna catch scum
  450.  
  451. ​[2:49]
  452. dont just read people based on their past
  453.  
  454. ​[2:50]
  455. read them based on the questions they ask and answer
  456.  
  457. ​[2:50]
  458. saying shit like "dlgn thoughts on rzr?" or whatever is dumb
  459.  
  460. ​[2:51]
  461. but its the questions like "If _______ does this, what does it mean for you based on _______ since you think this? Okay so if thats not true then this guy is town because of ___________"
  462.  
  463. ​[2:51]
  464. that might not make sense, but pretty much tl;dr adaptation of reads and always thinking of plan B
  465.  
  466. ​[2:51]
  467. find who doesn't think of plan B
  468.  
  469. ​[2:51]
  470. thats usually what i look for
  471.  
  472. aragakiayase [2:51 PM]
  473. people who lock in are always red flags
  474.  
  475. xiz [2:51 PM]
  476. no
  477.  
  478. aragakiayase [2:51 PM]
  479. or rather
  480.  
  481. xiz [2:51 PM]
  482. there is a difference
  483.  
  484. aragakiayase [2:51 PM]
  485. they get my attention
  486.  
  487. xiz [2:52 PM]
  488. i mean you can be confident and town
  489.  
  490. ​[2:52]
  491. it depends on what they do differently if they are wrong
  492.  
  493. aragakiayase [2:52 PM]
  494. but being unwilling to reevaluate
  495.  
  496. ​[2:52]
  497. is what I was getting at
  498.  
  499. xiz [2:52 PM]
  500. ya
  501.  
  502. aragakiayase [2:52 PM]
  503. did you get a chance to read dlgn's pastebin convo with dbp
  504.  
  505. xiz [2:53 PM]
  506. nop
  507.  
  508. ​[2:53]
  509. where is that
  510.  
  511. aragakiayase [2:53 PM]
  512. in thread but he also PMed me
  513.  
  514. ​[2:53]
  515. http://pastebin.com/0L55D35F
  516. Pastebin
  517. dlgn / dbp dms - Pastebin.com (8KB)
  518.  
  519.  
  520. ​[2:54]
  521. he said that makes him think dbp is very strong town
  522.  
  523. ​[2:54]
  524. I didn't read it too closely but I didn't see anything particularly interesting
  525.  
  526. ​[2:54]
  527. and dbp hasn't done much
  528.  
  529. xiz [2:54 PM]
  530. who was the other claim to dlgn
  531.  
  532. ​[2:54]
  533. besides rzr
  534.  
  535. aragakiayase [2:55 PM]
  536. wait claim?
  537.  
  538. xiz [2:55 PM]
  539. [8:20]
  540. I thought that you were a homeless guy, and you were trying to find your partner
  541.  
  542. ​[8:20]
  543. And then you got 2 responses, leading you to doubt one of them: rzr
  544.  
  545. aragakiayase [2:55 PM]
  546. I have no idea
  547.  
  548. ​[2:55]
  549. brb 15 min
  550.  
  551. aragakiayase [3:03 PM]
  552. back
  553.  
  554. xiz [3:05 PM]
  555. hi
  556.  
  557. aragakiayase [3:06 PM]
  558. oh I think the two responses thing is hypothetical?
  559.  
  560. ​[3:06]
  561. I don't think dbp knows whether or not dlgn got two claims
  562.  
  563. ​[3:06]
  564. or if rzr even claimed
  565.  
  566. ​[3:06]
  567. but that is a possible reason for dlgn scumreading rzr
  568.  
  569. xiz [3:08 PM]
  570. there is something very important that is telling about that phrase that i linked
  571.  
  572. ​[3:08]
  573. if you can figure out what you are locked town for me
  574.  
  575. aragakiayase [3:08 PM]
  576. this? https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FUXLM34/p1449345317000174
  577. Vincexiz
  578. [8:20]
  579. I thought that you were a homeless guy, and you were trying to find your partner
  580.  
  581. ​[8:20]
  582. And then you got 2 responses, leading you to doubt one of them: rzr
  583. Dec 5th at 2:55 PM
  584.  
  585. xiz [3:08 PM]
  586. ye
  587.  
  588. aragakiayase [3:20 PM]
  589. i feel like this gives a clue about dbp's alignment but idk yet
  590.  
  591. xiz [3:21 PM]
  592. think outside the box
  593.  
  594. ​[3:21]
  595. or betteryet outside the game
  596.  
  597. aragakiayase [3:30 PM]
  598. oh hold on i think I remember something
  599.  
  600. ​[3:30]
  601. time to go dig
  602.  
  603. ​[3:30]
  604. i think charu said something similar
  605.  
  606. aragakiayase [3:40 PM]
  607. i thought of this post but meh http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?p=4380411#post4380411
  608. TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live) The Werewolf Game
  609.  
  610. aragakiayase [4:14 PM]
  611. idk I'm not seeing it I'll let it stew
  612.  
  613. aragakiayase [5:21 PM]
  614. i pastebined our convo because dbp was asking but i forgot about this sorry :disappointed: https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FUXLM34/p1449344282000066
  615. Vincexiz
  616. this is gonna be scumread so hard but unless its super dire im waiting for everyone to pm me first
  617. Dec 5th at 2:38 PM
  618.  
  619. xiz [5:58 PM]
  620. if grad flips scum you are lock clear for me
  621.  
  622. aragakiayase [6:05 PM]
  623. Why are you willing to lock clear me in these situations
  624.  
  625. ​[6:06]
  626. As town I will very strongly townread people but my tinfoil is always too strong
  627.  
  628. xiz [6:06 PM]
  629. because xiz reasons
  630.  
  631. aragakiayase [6:07 PM]
  632. Hmmm
  633.  
  634. aragakiayase [6:38 PM]
  635. oh i see why cause i read thread ll
  636.  
  637. xiz [6:39 PM]
  638. eeey gj
  639.  
  640. aragakiayase [7:59 PM]
  641. off topic but who is afrobean
  642.  
  643. xiz [7:59 PM]
  644. an old vet player
  645.  
  646. ​[7:59]
  647. his policy
  648.  
  649. ​[7:59]
  650. lynch all liars
  651.  
  652. aragakiayase [7:59 PM]
  653. oh
  654.  
  655. xiz [8:01 PM]
  656. im playing osu pm me if u need
  657.  
  658. aragakiayase [8:01 PM]
  659. ok
  660.  
  661. ​[8:01]
  662. this guy is literally a zenith alt
  663.  
  664. ​[8:01]
  665. not actually but the similarities are everywhere
  666.  
  667. xiz [8:02 PM]
  668. i had the same thoughts
  669.  
  670. aragakiayase [9:17 PM]
  671. dbp and v just voted you
  672.  
  673. xiz [9:20 PM]
  674. lol why because im playing osu
  675.  
  676. aragakiayase [9:20 PM]
  677. from V
  678.  
  679. ​[9:20]
  680. im not im voting xiz beecause he feels like he pocketed me and his reads have the veneer of fabricationm
  681.  
  682. ​[9:20]
  683. and dbp because there was a kitb
  684.  
  685. ​[9:20]
  686. now you're top wagon
  687.  
  688. xiz [9:21 PM]
  689. idk im not gonna die today
  690.  
  691. ​[9:21]
  692. so w/e
  693.  
  694. ​[9:21]
  695. let em
  696.  
  697. aragakiayase [9:21 PM]
  698. i want gradiant dead
  699.  
  700. ​[9:21]
  701. over dlgn
  702.  
  703. xiz [9:21 PM]
  704. then do something about it
  705.  
  706. aragakiayase [10:06 PM]
  707. bro we didn't kill you
  708.  
  709.  
  710. ----- Today December 7th, 2015 -----
  711. aragakiayase [5:46 PM]
  712. if toxzic is wolf who do you think his partners are
  713.  
  714. xiz [5:49 PM]
  715. that is a very good question lol
  716.  
  717. ​[5:49]
  718. ill go down the list i guess
  719.  
  720. ​[5:49]
  721. v - he is the only person that is realizing i am real, from what i said (and ill be posting that a sec... if you havent read what V and I said last night you really, really should)
  722.  
  723. ​[5:50]
  724. i thought maf initially but hes town because of the thought to change
  725.  
  726. ​[5:51]
  727. dlgn - he voted me at a really, really weird time (look when he did) also he refuses to think that im not the real hobo which he even openly admited. However, in the back of my mind im afraid he is town
  728.  
  729. ​[5:51]
  730. charu - hasnt done shit. He said he wasnt paying attention then wants me dead for wanting gradiant dead and not looking at anything else. I'd say wolf.
  731.  
  732. ​[5:51]
  733. Xelnya - I thought town d1 for how hard he was trying but then all of a sudden he did a 180 day 2. His positioning has been weak, his votes especially at the end of d1 was uncalled for. Wolf.
  734.  
  735. ​[5:52]
  736. i dont really think that dbp is a wolf. i think he just wants me dead so he can get revenge on how i shit on him last game i played with him to be hoenst
  737.  
  738. aragakiayase [5:52 PM]
  739. I can't find your log with V can you link me
  740.  
  741. xiz [5:53 PM]
  742. do you mean slack, or the stuff i posted in thread which made him change his opinion me
  743.  
  744. ​[5:53]
  745. *opinion of me
  746.  
  747. ​[5:53]
  748. i can do both
  749.  
  750. ​[5:54]
  751. brb fried rice
  752.  
  753. aragakiayase [5:54 PM]
  754. both
  755.  
  756. ​[5:55]
  757. so before I look more closely at your list here's where I'm at with you
  758.  
  759. ​[5:55]
  760. I had a pretty strong townread on you early d1 because of tone, your aggressive quick pushes on people, and multiple mindmelds
  761.  
  762. ​[5:55]
  763. once the 3 claims came out, I pretty much gave botchi a pass for the same reason you are (even if it's not airtight)
  764.  
  765. ​[5:56]
  766. I was pretty sure you were town which by poe would leave me with toxzic but there were a few problems with that
  767.  
  768. ​[5:56]
  769. first I hadn't looked at toxzic closely and I still haven't had a chance
  770.  
  771. ​[5:56]
  772. 2nd you also did some really scummy shit that I still hard defended you for
  773.  
  774. ​[5:56]
  775. so now if you flip scum dbp and dlgn will try to kill me immediately
  776.  
  777. ​[5:57]
  778. there was a lot of scummy behavior that I don't want to focus on right now
  779.  
  780. ​[5:57]
  781. my main question is this: why, if you are a PR, didn't you immediately push back on toxzic if you cleared botchi the way you did?
  782.  
  783. ​[5:57]
  784. I kind of get the "lynch me and we'll find a wolf that way" but why not save yourself and just get the wolf immediately?
  785.  
  786. xiz [5:57 PM]
  787. back
  788.  
  789. aragakiayase [5:58 PM]
  790. also it might be in thread but what prompted your turnaround
  791.  
  792. ​[5:58]
  793. from "lynch me I'm fucked anyway" to your more town behavior again?
  794.  
  795. xiz [5:58 PM]
  796. at the time, (this is 15 min before phase end) i didnt know who it was, and trusted tokzic at the start so without thinking and said "kill botchi kill botchi"
  797.  
  798. ​[5:59]
  799. then after the lynch, i stepped back and realized that not until later that i was wrong
  800.  
  801. ​[5:59]
  802. also, you really should read what i said with v, which ill link after this
  803.  
  804. ​[5:59]
  805. because it explains it
  806.  
  807. ​[5:59]
  808. I fabricated the whole giving up thing
  809.  
  810. ​[5:59]
  811. the reason for that was for people to pressure me, and try to kill me
  812.  
  813. aragakiayase [5:59 PM]
  814. dbp and dlgn pressured you very hard
  815.  
  816. xiz [5:59 PM]
  817. specifically, those who are sitting back and would throw out the random vote, or rnadom 1 liner
  818.  
  819. ​[6:00]
  820. to see what i can get from that
  821.  
  822. aragakiayase [6:00 PM]
  823. but they didn't fit that description
  824.  
  825. xiz [6:00 PM]
  826. really, it was mostly v accusing me
  827.  
  828. ​[6:00]
  829. read back, he was the one that hogged the whole thread
  830.  
  831. aragakiayase [6:00 PM]
  832. no dbp/dlgn went pretty ham in slack
  833.  
  834. ​[6:00]
  835. although I don't know how much of it was substantial
  836.  
  837. xiz [6:00 PM]
  838. oh
  839.  
  840. ​[6:00]
  841. to be honest
  842.  
  843. aragakiayase [6:00 PM]
  844. vs "xiz did this he's definitely a wolf"
  845.  
  846. xiz [6:00 PM]
  847. i didnt read slack then
  848.  
  849. aragakiayase [6:00 PM]
  850. I think most of it was the latter
  851.  
  852. xiz [6:00 PM]
  853. let me link you the stuff with v
  854.  
  855. aragakiayase [6:01 PM]
  856. I was tinfoiling hard at the time and defended you
  857.  
  858. ​[6:01]
  859. so now dbp has stuck in his head xiz/AA xiz/AA xiz/AA
  860.  
  861. ​[6:01]
  862. he might say he's reevaluating but from some stuff he said I can tell he's still set
  863.  
  864. xiz [6:01 PM]
  865. http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=143368&page=52
  866.  
  867. post 1032 to 1046
  868. Page 52- TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live) The Werewolf Game
  869.  
  870. ​[6:01]
  871. read those 14 posts
  872.  
  873. ​[6:02]
  874. i mean once tokzic flips scum then you will be cleared in my book
  875.  
  876. ​[6:02]
  877. because if you were scum you could easily not talk to me
  878.  
  879. ​[6:02]
  880. like, what most people have been doing
  881.  
  882. aragakiayase [6:02 PM]
  883. lol
  884.  
  885. ​[6:02]
  886. I want to be thorough
  887.  
  888. ​[6:02]
  889. although I haven't talked to charu yet
  890.  
  891. ​[6:02]
  892. oh good you answer the question about your plan
  893.  
  894. ​[6:02]
  895. because I was going to ask that
  896.  
  897. xiz [6:03 PM]
  898. last time i spoke with charu was july 19th 2014 in slack
  899.  
  900. aragakiayase [6:03 PM]
  901. lmfao
  902.  
  903. ​[6:03]
  904. why did toxzic claim hobo to you?
  905.  
  906. ​[6:03]
  907. he claimed publicly
  908.  
  909. xiz [6:03 PM]
  910. he claimed to me before he made it public
  911.  
  912. aragakiayase [6:03 PM]
  913. oh
  914.  
  915. xiz [6:03 PM]
  916. i said to wait till d2 to claim
  917.  
  918. ​[6:03]
  919. and he then made a big post about it
  920.  
  921. ​[6:04]
  922. its in our chat logs where i think i go "oh, you posted already"
  923.  
  924. ​[6:04]
  925. "i would have waited" or something like that
  926.  
  927. ​[6:04]
  928. ill be honest
  929.  
  930. aragakiayase [6:04 PM]
  931. lol the circle of xiz
  932.  
  933. xiz [6:04 PM]
  934. ill be sad if charu is a wolf because he hasnt tried all game
  935.  
  936. ​[6:05]
  937. NOBODY GOT THAT REFERENCE
  938.  
  939. ​[6:05]
  940. ive been out of twg on ffr too long
  941.  
  942. aragakiayase [6:05 PM]
  943. so you acted green at first which is why you were a wolf
  944.  
  945. ​[6:05]
  946. and now you've acted red because you were blue
  947.  
  948. ​[6:05]
  949. but now you're back to green...?? jk it doesn't matter
  950.  
  951. xiz [6:05 PM]
  952. lol wat
  953.  
  954. ​[6:05]
  955. i act red -> blue = this game
  956.  
  957. aragakiayase [6:06 PM]
  958. i was joking it was dumb
  959.  
  960. xiz [6:06 PM]
  961. oh okay lol
  962.  
  963. aragakiayase [6:07 PM]
  964. so I actually thought of a scenario where only one hobo is real out of the 3 claims
  965.  
  966. ​[6:07]
  967. but I didn't consider a villager fakeclaiming
  968.  
  969. ​[6:08]
  970. I thought maybe two wolves could have claimed
  971.  
  972. ​[6:08]
  973. but that would be suicide
  974.  
  975. ​[6:09]
  976. ok so onto your list
  977.  
  978. ​[6:09]
  979. I think V is town as well, his posting has been very towny (not very detailed but lol)
  980.  
  981. ​[6:09]
  982. he did something similar last game as a wolf but it was very sporadic
  983.  
  984. ​[6:09]
  985. and only when pinged
  986.  
  987. ​[6:09]
  988. although there may have been IRL circumstances stopping that
  989.  
  990. ​[6:09]
  991. what sells his towniness for me
  992.  
  993. ​[6:09]
  994. is his confidence regarding the kids zone
  995.  
  996. ​[6:10]
  997. because it would be so easy for that to go wrong as a wolf
  998.  
  999. ​[6:10]
  1000. also the fact that he's willing to flip his read on you
  1001.  
  1002. xiz [6:10 PM]
  1003. there is no reason why two wolves would sacrifice themselves for a blue they cant lynch
  1004.  
  1005. aragakiayase [6:10 PM]
  1006. a wolf would likely hop on the dbp/dlgn train of thought and steamroll you
  1007.  
  1008. ​[6:10]
  1009. yeah so 2 wolves claiming doesn't make sense
  1010.  
  1011. xiz [6:10 PM]
  1012. also my town thing doesn't either since no nightkill
  1013.  
  1014. aragakiayase [6:11 PM]
  1015. but a room closed?
  1016.  
  1017. xiz [6:11 PM]
  1018. what do you mean
  1019.  
  1020. aragakiayase [6:11 PM]
  1021. I think I misunderstood the no nightkill thing
  1022.  
  1023. ​[6:11]
  1024. how does that make your town thing not work?
  1025.  
  1026. xiz [6:12 PM]
  1027. there is no way that tokzic could be town here, and trying to take a bullet by fake claiming blue, when wolves cant kill anyone rightout
  1028.  
  1029. aragakiayase [6:12 PM]
  1030. oh yeah
  1031.  
  1032. xiz [6:12 PM]
  1033. there is no reason to why someone would fake claim in this setup as a green
  1034.  
  1035. aragakiayase [6:12 PM]
  1036. so fakeclaiming as town doesn't help save blues
  1037.  
  1038. xiz [6:12 PM]
  1039. nop
  1040.  
  1041. ​[6:12]
  1042. well wait
  1043.  
  1044. ​[6:12]
  1045. UNLESS
  1046.  
  1047. ​[6:12]
  1048. lets say that i was hidden
  1049.  
  1050. ​[6:13]
  1051. and i wanted you to out as the blue
  1052.  
  1053. ​[6:13]
  1054. and to hide in a specific area
  1055.  
  1056. ​[6:13]
  1057. wait no
  1058.  
  1059. aragakiayase [6:13 PM]
  1060. well
  1061.  
  1062. xiz [6:13 PM]
  1063. nvm i dont think that would work
  1064.  
  1065. aragakiayase [6:13 PM]
  1066. you could get wolves to target that area?
  1067.  
  1068. ​[6:13]
  1069. but you'd have to pass that info to a specific person you thought was wolfy
  1070.  
  1071. ​[6:13]
  1072. but even then they could have their partner do it
  1073.  
  1074. ​[6:13]
  1075. so it doesn't really work
  1076.  
  1077. xiz [6:13 PM]
  1078. the chances of that are so minimal
  1079.  
  1080. ​[6:13]
  1081. and i doubt tokzic could do that
  1082.  
  1083. aragakiayase [6:14 PM]
  1084. who were you going to seer if toxzic hadn't taken the booth
  1085.  
  1086. xiz [6:14 PM]
  1087. v lol
  1088.  
  1089. ​[6:14]
  1090. i questioned it until last night
  1091.  
  1092. ​[6:14]
  1093. when we were talking in thread
  1094.  
  1095. ​[6:14]
  1096. then i knew he was town
  1097.  
  1098. ​[6:14]
  1099. pretty much what tokzic did was prevent a seering from happening
  1100.  
  1101. ​[6:15]
  1102. well wait wolves cant use it right?
  1103.  
  1104. aragakiayase [6:15 PM]
  1105. but didn't he seer dbp?
  1106.  
  1107. ​[6:15]
  1108. no they can
  1109.  
  1110. xiz [6:15 PM]
  1111. or can they
  1112.  
  1113. ​[6:15]
  1114. oh
  1115.  
  1116. ​[6:15]
  1117. shit
  1118.  
  1119. ​[6:15]
  1120. then that seering could be anything
  1121.  
  1122. aragakiayase [6:15 PM]
  1123. he seered dbp correctly but if he's a wolf that doesn't help
  1124.  
  1125. ​[6:15]
  1126. the seering tells us nothing except that he atcually used the booth
  1127.  
  1128. ​[6:15]
  1129. unless he lolguessed
  1130.  
  1131. xiz [6:15 PM]
  1132. yea
  1133.  
  1134. ​[6:15]
  1135. i doubt he used it on a teammate
  1136.  
  1137. ​[6:16]
  1138. because when tokzic flips wolf, people will go to dpb next out of instinct
  1139.  
  1140. ​[6:16]
  1141. but thats usually what dumb town do
  1142.  
  1143. aragakiayase [6:16 PM]
  1144. wait why will people go to dbp next
  1145.  
  1146. xiz [6:16 PM]
  1147. because he was the seer target, and people might think he is a partner with tokzic getting a free ride
  1148.  
  1149. ​[6:16]
  1150. pretty much it can go either way
  1151.  
  1152. aragakiayase [6:16 PM]
  1153. oh but
  1154.  
  1155. xiz [6:16 PM]
  1156. but people lynching dpb based on that logic is flawed and stupid
  1157.  
  1158. aragakiayase [6:16 PM]
  1159. the reason people were saying dbp would be clear
  1160.  
  1161. ​[6:16]
  1162. actually no if toxzic flips scum dbp is clear
  1163.  
  1164. ​[6:17]
  1165. UNLESS
  1166.  
  1167. ​[6:17]
  1168. here are the two scenarios
  1169.  
  1170. ​[6:17]
  1171. if toxzic is scum
  1172.  
  1173. ​[6:17]
  1174. there's the movie stalker stuck in the movie theater
  1175.  
  1176. ​[6:17]
  1177. and the wolf who closed the room
  1178.  
  1179. ​[6:17]
  1180. so if dbp was actually in the dino den then there's no way he's wolf
  1181.  
  1182. ​[6:17]
  1183. but if he's a wolf too
  1184.  
  1185. xiz [6:17 PM]
  1186. i was in the dd
  1187.  
  1188. ​[6:17]
  1189. also
  1190.  
  1191. aragakiayase [6:17 PM]
  1192. then toxzic could easily have said he was in the dd
  1193.  
  1194. ​[6:17]
  1195. when dbp was actually in the AC control room
  1196.  
  1197. ​[6:17]
  1198. and no one can verify
  1199.  
  1200. ​[6:17]
  1201. so yeah it doesn't help us
  1202.  
  1203. ​[6:17]
  1204. and I'm going to post that because people are clearing dbp because of it
  1205.  
  1206. xiz [6:17 PM]
  1207. good idea
  1208.  
  1209. ​[6:18]
  1210. does my logic and my plan make sense to you now, in regards to what i did and why?
  1211.  
  1212. aragakiayase [6:19 PM]
  1213. yes
  1214.  
  1215. ​[6:19]
  1216. but I feel like it wasn't successful
  1217.  
  1218. ​[6:19]
  1219. at least in baiting people out
  1220.  
  1221. xiz [6:19 PM]
  1222. it could have been really successful but it steered out of control fast
  1223.  
  1224. aragakiayase [6:19 PM]
  1225. people piled on you too fast
  1226.  
  1227. xiz [6:19 PM]
  1228. When in doubt, lynch Xiz
  1229.  
  1230. aragakiayase [6:19 PM]
  1231. you were at L-2 at one point only 1.5 hours after day started
  1232.  
  1233. xiz [6:20 PM]
  1234. It would not have passed
  1235.  
  1236. ​[6:20]
  1237. i remember v saying "someone add more pressure on him" in slack
  1238.  
  1239. ​[6:20]
  1240. also i had a vote on myself
  1241.  
  1242. ​[6:20]
  1243. oh shit i still do
  1244.  
  1245. aragakiayase [6:20 PM]
  1246. lmao
  1247.  
  1248. ​[6:20]
  1249. ok I was going through your list of people but I got sidetracked
  1250.  
  1251. ​[6:20]
  1252. dlgn is pretty null for me still
  1253.  
  1254. ​[6:21]
  1255. he had some really scummy behavior early on
  1256.  
  1257. ​[6:21]
  1258. with the whole opening, demanding that hobos claim to him, and insistence that people have to townread him or they're bad/scum
  1259.  
  1260. ​[6:21]
  1261. but I talked to him a bit in slack and he seemed pretty towny
  1262.  
  1263. ​[6:21]
  1264. he seemed like he wanted people to not be wrong
  1265.  
  1266. ​[6:21]
  1267. at the same time, that comes off to me as wanting everyone to see his perspective though
  1268.  
  1269. ​[6:21]
  1270. also his insistence that people townread him is gross to me
  1271.  
  1272. ​[6:22]
  1273. I'm also pretty null on charu, I was originally scumreading him for not doing shit (also nwo that you mention it tunneling on the gradiant phrase is bad too)
  1274.  
  1275. ​[6:22]
  1276. but someone pointed out that at the time there were too many people not doing shit to scumread everyone doing that
  1277.  
  1278. ​[6:22]
  1279. xel/charu/gradiant/storn
  1280.  
  1281. ​[6:23]
  1282. maybe even roundbox to an extent because I still feel like he's mostly filler
  1283.  
  1284. xiz [6:23 PM]
  1285. https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FUXLM34/p1449530554000189
  1286.  
  1287. ^ You mixed up charu and xel here
  1288. Ethanaragakiayase
  1289. I'm also pretty null on charu, I was originally scumreading him for not doing shit (also nwo that you mention it tunneling on the gradiant phrase is bad too)
  1290. Today at 6:22 PM
  1291.  
  1292. ​[6:23]
  1293. xel tunneled on gard
  1294.  
  1295. ​[6:23]
  1296. well not tunneled
  1297.  
  1298. aragakiayase [6:23 PM]
  1299. did I? https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FUXLM34/p1449528689000008
  1300. Vincexiz
  1301. charu - hasnt done shit. He said he wasnt paying attention then wants me dead for wanting gradiant dead and not looking at anything else. I'd say wolf.
  1302. Today at 5:51 PM
  1303.  
  1304. xiz [6:23 PM]
  1305. actually, he swapped at the last sdecond
  1306.  
  1307. ​[6:23]
  1308. oh
  1309.  
  1310. aragakiayase [6:23 PM]
  1311. both didn't do shit in d1
  1312.  
  1313. ​[6:24]
  1314. xel actually did more than charu
  1315.  
  1316. xiz [6:24 PM]
  1317. charu wants ME dead for ME targeting gradiant
  1318.  
  1319. aragakiayase [6:24 PM]
  1320. yes
  1321.  
  1322. ​[6:24]
  1323. but he's focusing on the "we killed gradiant phrase"
  1324.  
  1325. ​[6:24]
  1326. when that's not even incriminating
  1327.  
  1328. ​[6:24]
  1329. I interpreted as more like
  1330.  
  1331. ​[6:24]
  1332. "wow I can't believe we killed gradiant"
  1333.  
  1334. ​[6:24]
  1335. what the correct interpretation is irrelevant at this point
  1336.  
  1337. ​[6:24]
  1338. but he's tunneled onto something that isn't conclusive
  1339.  
  1340. ​[6:25]
  1341. he's failing to reevaluate things
  1342.  
  1343. ​[6:25]
  1344. dlgn pointed out some post of his though that sounded super towny to him
  1345.  
  1346. ​[6:25]
  1347. let me find it
  1348.  
  1349. ​[6:26]
  1350. http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?p=4380571#post4380571
  1351. TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live) The Werewolf Game
  1352.  
  1353. ​[6:26]
  1354. it was here, I think the series of responses to rzr's reads posts
  1355.  
  1356. ​[6:26]
  1357. I'm still unsure about charu though
  1358.  
  1359. ​[6:26]
  1360. because he says some weird things
  1361.  
  1362. ​[6:26]
  1363. like last game he had this very intentional phrase that he said to ymia who was town
  1364.  
  1365. ​[6:27]
  1366. everyone thought he was scum and he flipped doctor
  1367.  
  1368. ​[6:27]
  1369. xelnya on the other hand I think is definitely wolf
  1370.  
  1371. ​[6:27]
  1372. as you said he did a 180, and I asked him about it. he said that he's had work and also that OOT means that I can't accurately gauge his amount of work that he's putting in
  1373.  
  1374. ​[6:28]
  1375. and then on top of that he said "
  1376. they have no idea how I am being in pms and stuff
  1377.  
  1378. ​[4:01]
  1379. It would take a town discussion full throttle to get that cleared and we'd see that coming I think"
  1380.  
  1381. ​[6:28]
  1382. it sounds super wolfy that he's basically saying "no one can verify my work done unless everyone talks about it so you can't use that as a reason to question me"
  1383.  
  1384. ​[6:33]
  1385. dlgn is dumb
  1386.  
  1387. ​[6:33]
  1388. but that doesn't lean me either way
  1389.  
  1390. xiz [6:34 PM]
  1391. i dont know what do do about him
  1392.  
  1393. ​[6:34]
  1394. also
  1395.  
  1396. ​[6:34]
  1397. you know who has been even more UTR then charu and xel
  1398.  
  1399. ​[6:34]
  1400. is roundbox lol
  1401.  
  1402. aragakiayase [6:34 PM]
  1403. I was going to mention that
  1404.  
  1405. ​[6:35]
  1406. he's said a lot of stuff
  1407.  
  1408. xiz [6:35 PM]
  1409. i couldnt possibly be more null on him
  1410.  
  1411. aragakiayase [6:35 PM]
  1412. but it's not content
  1413.  
  1414. xiz [6:35 PM]
  1415. ^
  1416.  
  1417. aragakiayase [6:35 PM]
  1418. most of what he says is setup
  1419.  
  1420. xiz [6:35 PM]
  1421. he is a good person to look at later
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