thedeadlymoose	[18:28]	L2D	Dr_Leonard because I believe they have potential to become good
	thedeadlymoose	[18:28]	L2D	they just need some help
	thedeadlymoose	No they don't.
	Silber	dang
	Vertigo	Maybe it's cause I was left with the time for it eh.
	MacLeod	Here in the United States, we have a large population density than half a person per 100,000 square kilometers.
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose why not?
	thedeadlymoose	They have no potential to be good right now, because they actively do not wish to take the routes they'd need to take to become good.
	Silber	moose layin' down the hard tack
	thedeadlymoose	I even laid out to EdAWACS exactly what he (and they) could do to become good writers.
	thedeadlymoose	Nothin'.
	thedeadlymoose	They want adulation and status. They don't actually care about writing well.
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose yeah, I agree with you there
	Live2Die	currently they're shit]
	Live2Die	but I think they can change and become better
	MacLeod	Whonow>
	MacLeod	?
	thedeadlymoose	No, they cannot, Live2Die.
	Dr_Leonard	TheDeadlyMoose I agree with pretty much everything you've said
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	thedeadlymoose	To change, you have to actually /do literally anything to attempt to change/.
	Sharptoe	Why do I keep thinking New Mexico borders Nevada...
	thedeadlymoose	They have not. All they've done is copy shit from us, and then change the wording when we yell at them. If that.
	Dr_Leonard	TheDeadlyMoose a lot of their articles are, to be frank, in no way close to the standards here
	MacLeod	sharptoe: because everyone knows that arizona doesn't matter.
	Sharptoe	lol
	MrWrong	Anyone up for a draft review (1st tab) http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/mrwrong
	thedeadlymoose	Dr_Leonard: Which is sad given how low our standards actually are. They don't even want to try to hit THAT low bar
	e_e
	MacLeod	fun fact.
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	thedeadlymoose	I would be happy to help them if they had any desire whatsoever to try to become better. But they do not.
	Dr_Leonard	TheDeadlyMoose Haha, do you really think our standards are that low?
	thedeadlymoose	If they quit and promoted other people in their place, then maybe.
	Dr_Leonard	I mean, compared to that of publishing houses, of course
	Live2Die	Dr_Leonard yes, we are low
	thedeadlymoose	They being the people in charge, btw.
	MacLeod	there were proposals to have New Mexico and Arizona incorporated as a single States.
	MacLeod	*State
	thedeadlymoose	I dunno about you specifically, Live2Die. Haven't checked.
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose one of them is actively trying to change
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: Who?
	Silber	Dr_Leonard: our standards are high for following arbitrary rules of a format we made up but low in terms of actual narrative quality, IMO
	thedeadlymoose	Dr_Leonard: I don't /think/ our standards are that low. I /know/ they are that low.
	thedeadlymoose	Yes re: Silber
	Live2Die	From what I understand from my talks with him, Cad, even though he doesn't have the best ideas
	Dr_Leonard	Aye
	thedeadlymoose	They aren't as low as other creepypasta sites, though.
	Live2Die	and he never talks to the other admins
	MacLeod	We do have good standards regarding clinicality.
	Sharptoe	You know, since we actually have standards.
	MacLeod	It's my understanding that we outdo IRL institutions on clinical tone, actually.
	FiftyNine	Who are "they" you're talking about?
	Sharptoe	Kinda easy to be higher than none
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: I have seen no evidence of that, but maybe you're right. EdAWACS also expressed desire to change, and I spent hours talking to him, and... unsurprisingly, jackshit happened~
	Silber	MacLeod: "clinicality" being the arbitrary standards we make up, yeah
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose yeah
	thedeadlymoose	FiftyNine: Everyone who writes and runs for the site, with the caveat that I haven't read /everything/ there, so I could've missed some stuff that's good
	MacLeod	Silber: well, very few of the things we say are subjective.
	Live2Die	they're scared of change because of the chance that they'll lose people, because of their small userbase
	thedeadlymoose	[18:40]	MacLeod	It's my understanding that we outdo IRL institutions on clinical tone, actually. << That's only because we made up extra standards on clinical tone that don't exist in real life.
	thedeadlymoose	Aka, it's not actually real clinical tone.
	thedeadlymoose	It's made up stuff to sound good to us (but no one else).
	thedeadlymoose	Just bein' blunt there.
	Sharptoe	We're superclinical or something
	thedeadlymoose	Or, in some cases, to be fair--
	MacLeod	Not denying it, moose.
	Silber	Live2Die: well, getting out of the kiddie pool means you might drown, but it also means you get to swim instead of just wading up to your ankles
	thedeadlymoose	Some stuff that would be fine in real life, but isn't actually necessary.
	thedeadlymoose	And isn't better in any way.
	MacLeod	I mean, hell, we're a fiction site.
	thedeadlymoose	[18:41]	Silber	Live2Die: well, getting out of the kiddie pool means you might drown, but it also means you get to swim instead of just wading up to your ankles <<< +100
	Live2Die	yeah
	MacLeod	Why the hell would we be /completely/ realistic?
	Live2Die	they really should take some risks to actually get shit done
	MacLeod	Some fluff.
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	thedeadlymoose	[18:41]	Live2Die	they're scared of change because of the chance that they'll lose people, because of their small userbase << They have such a small userbase that it doesn't matter if they change at all. They have less than a dozen active members
	DevisedFantasy	Hallo
	Sharptoe	howdy
	MacLeod	hullo
	MrWrong	Hello
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: the other problem is that they don't know what they're doing, literally at all, so of course they're scared
	MacLeod	hullo>hello
	e_e	he_e;;p
	thedeadlymoose	But they also don't want to learn
	thedeadlymoose	They want to already have arrived
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose yeah
	Sharptoe	howdy = how do you do
	thedeadlymoose	hi DevisedFantasy
	Vertigo	MacLeod, atmosphere?
	Dr_Leonard	To be honest, Live2Die, I'm surprised CI wiki has lasted as long as they have
	Sharptoe	ergo sophistication
	Live2Die	hi DevisedFantasy
	Dr_Leonard	Hey DevisedFantasy :3
	FiftyNine	And the site in question is?
	MacLeod	"hullo" is the superior greeting.
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	DevisedFantasy	I have a draft here:http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/devisedfantasy
	Alexandra	DevisedFantasy has a draft guys!
	Live2Die	Dr_Leonard some people are dedicated, and some people have no idea why they stay
	Dr_Leonard	Live2Die /I/ have no idea why /anyone/ stays
	thedeadlymoose	Dr_Leonard: I'm not. It exists mainly because Caduceus socially climbed on the Wikidot community site, because they have hilariously, tragically low standards. So he continues to be active there
	MacLeod	is one person who has no idea why he stays.
	thedeadlymoose	Another reason why we need to get the fuck off wikidot
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	tahugamin	Dots are to non-dimensional imo
	Dr_Leonard	TheDeadlyMoose You'd be surprised they haven't all lost interest, though?
	MacLeod	.g ssss comic
	tahugamin	*too
	Alexandra	MacLeod: http://www.sssscomic.com/ -- Stand Still. Stay Silent - webcomic: "Nov 1, 2014 ... One SSSS year done, so many, many more to come! ... I believe this is the point where a webcomic matures from being a "new" comic, right?"
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose to be fair, Caduceus is good with people, wikidot code, and knows how to get shit done when told what to do
	thedeadlymoose	Dr_Leonard: They don't actually care about the content, they care about what little status they DO have
	Live2Die	but he isn't the best at making good choices on his own
	Dr_Leonard	Live2Die he's also 14 years old
	Live2Die	Dr_Leonard your point?
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: He's also a 13 or 14 year old who befriends trolls, and runs a ripoff site of the major site on their network
	Sharptoe	tahugamin: points are non dimensional, dots are debatable
	thedeadlymoose	He's incredibly immature
	Live2Die	true
	Dr_Leonard	Live2Die he's not even old enough to join SCP wiki
	MacLeod	Now see, if/when we do get around to moving off of wikidot, I'm volunteering my services.
	tahugamin	Sharptoe: Dots, points
	tahugamin	same diff
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	Vertigo	I'm also not sure what institutions you guys are referring to if their "clinical tone" is less prevalent but it depends on which one you're dealing with and how sophisticated they are of course. Overall they just keep things academic and a lot is implied, and beyond that "rules" are gonna depend on their policy, i.e. depend on the depth of administration and thus their size.
	Live2Die	Dr_Leonard age doesn't matter if you can act older and be more responsible than your actual age
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	Live2Die	at least on wikidot
	Live2Die	here is of course a different matter
	MacLeod	You know what, I have people to email.
	MacLeod	I'mma bounce outta IRC.
	DevisedFantasy	Doesn't that apply to the internet in general?
	MacLeod	I'll see y'all later.
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: Seriously, the number of trolls who go make friends with him is hilarious. He has zero standards. And he claims that people that young shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, which if true means they shouldn't be in any semi-professional role
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	thedeadlymoose	Vertigo: What do you mean?
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose yeah, that is true
	Dr_Leonard	Live2Die but he doesn't
	Dr_Leonard	From what Moose has described
	Dr_Leonard	Bye MacLeod.
	thedeadlymoose	Vertigo: Just saying that what we think is clinical tone is /partially/ something we basically pulled out of our butts
	tahugamin	Who're we talkin bout?
	thedeadlymoose	Vertigo: and partially not
	thedeadlymoose	tahugamin: I'm just talking to Live2Die
	AndarielHalo	I just use the clinical tone the way I talk formally in RL
	tahugamin	Oh, kay.
	Live2Die	tahugamin underage user who runs an unofficial spin-off site
	tahugamin	AndarielHalo: thats cuz u suk :U
	AndarielHalo	NO U
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose yeah, he's not the best admin
	tahugamin	nop
	Vertigo	thedeadlymoose, I mean that all academia have unspoken rules passed to them from the moment they start writing papers. Whatever rules apply beyond that in terms of format, what gets covered in a report, terminology etc. depends on either the institution and the sector they're in.
	tahugamin	/u/
	Dr_Leonard	Live2Die TheDeadlyMoose is absolutely right about them caring about status but not content - they've got a Facebook account, a Twitter account, and God knows what else... even with less than ten members
	AndarielHalo	leaving aside individual words and such which I upgrade into jibbering for tone
	AndarielHalo	No sur, U
	Live2Die	and to be fair, he does need a shitton of more experience before even becoming staff on a site that wants to grow
	tahugamin	AndarielHalo: No, u
	AndarielHalo	ewe
	Dr_Leonard	AndarielHalo the Shoggoth <3
	tahugamin	SHeep
	Live2Die	but he's the best we got until he either grows up or replace him, and he seems to want to change that
	Vertigo	Those unspoken rules aren't very convoluted, and if you're dealing with smalltime institutions, e.g. small independent consultancies, they can veer off track because there's really no one to answer to and their clientbase may not care.
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: That's the thing, though. The entire site exists solely to gain status by ripping off the Foundation while not having to live up to our quality standards
	tahugamin	The black goat of the woods with a thousand young!
	thedeadlymoose	it has literally no other point
	Dr_Leonard	Live2Die I doubt he wants to change it. That would mean handing over his "position" as moderator of a rip-off site with less than ten active members
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: I'm willing to believe he can change, but right now see no evidence of it. When he turns 15 (or says he does) in August (I think), he'll have another chance. If he wants help, I'll try to make sure he gets it.
	thedeadlymoose	But I don't know if he wants it.
	Vertigo	The only thing I do notice about SCP in terms of writing style and such, is that terminology is often in lay terms. Which is good tbh, since it lets you appeal to a mainstream audience.
	thedeadlymoose	Vertigo: Yes
	Silber	The best thing about the CI wiki is how close they are to the in-universe Chaos Insurgency.
	thedeadlymoose	[18:48]	Live2Die	but he's the best we got until he either grows up or replace him, and he seems to want to change that <<< Utter nonsense. You know what you can do? Write CI stuff for the SCP wiki. To our standards.
	Live2Die	Dr_Leonard I fully believe that he will do that if it's the best for the site
	Tecnicolor	Silber That makes a lot of sense
	Dr_Leonard	Silber Immature, boorish and bumbling?
	thedeadlymoose	I mean, fuck, Slate Thunder is an appallingly written wall of text with a few cool details, and that's +100. Maybe +200?
	thedeadlymoose	It's not the highest goddamn bar.
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose I was talking about administration, not content
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	Live2Die	the content is shit
	Vertigo	Some informal banter in logs isn't bad, it adds to the atmos, but I recall one SCP about some creature (name escapes me) where an escape and pursuit was logged that read like the transcript of a DragonballZ episode.
	Live2Die	and they have shit standards that need to change fast
	AndarielHalo	.sea slate thunder
	Alexandra	AndarielHalo: Briefing on SLATE THUNDER (Chaos Insurgency Orientation)(Rating:138) - http://www.scp-wiki.net/slate-thunder
	Vertigo	IMO I'd avoid the shit out of that.
	Silber	Dr_Leonard: they're enthusiastic and want to do what the SCP Foundation does, but don't want to have to follow its restrictive rules, so they try to do their own lesser version that looks sillier than they think it does
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	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: I could make a website on wikidot right now, post a giant picture of a piece of poop, and I'd be an administrator
	thedeadlymoose	You have no 'we'
	tahugamin	http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/146951/3487159-0341107031-Dark-.jpg
	Sharptoe	I think they heard the term "chaos" and ran with it.
	Dr_Leonard	Silber I believe the irony is lost on them
	Vertigo	Beyond that, if anything's gonna merit criticism in terms of realism, it's a lack of field-specific jargon and standardization.
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose and if he wanted that then the site would have gone to hell a lot faster
	Vertigo	Appeals better to a broad audience, but less realistic.
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	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: It's already in hell.I'm saying our spinoff chat rooms have more activity than the CI wiki
	Tecnicolor	thedeadlymoose Isn't their wiki linked in our wiki?
	Tecnicolor	thedeadlymoose I remember entering their wiki once through ours
	thedeadlymoose	No. Or it should not be.
	Live2Die	yeah, no
	Sharptoe	Forums only, IIRC
	thedeadlymoose	It's not a community, it's a few users who can't hack it on the SCP wiki and a few people who feel sorry for them, and some trolls and banned users from our site
	Live2Die	it isn't nearly close enough
	Sharptoe	As in somebody posted a link in the forums
	thedeadlymoose	Tecnicolor: Probably because CI users keep spamming links to the CI site on the forums before we make them stop
	thedeadlymoose	Again, they want status
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose thank god for banning the users that were trolls
	Dr_Leonard	It's like an internet shantytown
	thedeadlymoose	Status above all
	Sharptoe	thedeadlymoose: isn't that basically how the CI is thought of in universe by many people?
	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: Not all of 'em. I haven't checked recently
	Live2Die	thedeadlymoose actually, yes
	Live2Die	every single troll that came into CI from SCP was banned
	thedeadlymoose	Sharptoe: No...?
	thedeadlymoose	Not at all
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	thedeadlymoose	Live2Die: Damn. Well, at least that's a plus.
	Live2Die	unless I'm missing something, which I might be
	Sharptoe	I worded that poorly.
	thedeadlymoose	That would have to be very recent, though.
	thedeadlymoose	Like, this month.
	ShipShapeSpino	Hello!
	Live2Die	possibly
	Sharptoe	howdy
	Decibelle	sounds like the ci wiki has a problem with administration and the power there, in which case youd have to change from the top down
	tahugamin	ShipShapeSpino: You!
	ShipShapeSpino	wat
	Decibelle	even with good content if the problem is with the people running it whats the point
	tahugamin	Pfah. >:I
	Live2Die	I just know that I haven't seen any users on the userlist that are banned from the SCP
	Dr_Leonard	Decibelle is correct
	Live2Die	aside from cad, who is underage
	ShipShapeSpino	oh did i win the game
	Decibelle	actually i worded that poorly
	AndarielHalo	it sounds like the biggest problem the CI Wiki has is very few users
	Cyclopian	Uggh, I have a lot of fragments of ideas floating around in my head that I think I can create an SCP from, but I have no idea how to pull everything together. Ever feel like that?
	tahugamin	ShipShapeSpino: /or did you/
	Live2Die	AndarielHalo basically
	ShipShapeSpino	oh no....
	Dr_Leonard	Live2Die does CI have the same age restrictions as SCP?
	AndarielHalo	everything else is secondary to that
	Live2Die	with so little users, they can afford to run as they do
	ShipShapeSpino	likely not since i quit through the middle
	Sharptoe	Dr_Leonard: no
	Silber	thedeadlymoose: the CI /is/ usually portrayed as people who decided the Foundation's rules were too restricting, so they create their own Foundation knockoff that does the same stuff without all the restrictions and standards in the way
	Decibelle	Live2Die: where the hell do you even find the list of staff on the ci wiki
	Live2Die	Dr_Leonard no
	Dr_Leonard	AndarielHalo they could have a thousand users, and the content would still be shit
	Sharptoe	The admin is underage for this site
	Decibelle	ive been searching for like 20 minutes
	Dr_Leonard	Ah
	Decibelle	and i cant find it
	AndarielHalo	That would then be their primary problem
	Live2Die	Decibelle the noted members link from the guides
	AndarielHalo	but right now, it's their secondary problem to having almost no members
	Dr_Leonard	mmm
	ShipShapeSpino	by the way, i finished my first draft of "the music box" its really rough, so please feel free to read and give me good feedback!
	ShipShapeSpino	http://scpsandbox2.wikidot.com/shipshapespino
	Sharptoe	If it's gonna die, let it die
	Live2Die	yeah
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	Decibelle	Live2Die: i literally can not find it
	Decibelle	x.x
	Live2Die	Decibelle on sex
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	Live2Die	dec*
	Live2Die	sec*
	Live2Die	gdi
	Sharptoe	rofl
	Sharptoe	dem typos
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	AndarielHalo	Nod
	Live2Die	Decibelle http://falchionvalley.wikidot.com/noted-members staff bios, written in terrible english
	Live2Die	aka written by ed
	Live2Die	not to bash on him, but he does have bad english
	Decibelle	...thats not even on the same 0x1dsite0x1d
	Decibelle	no wonder i couldnt find it
	Live2Die	it's linked from the new users guide
	Dr_Leonard	.au ed
	Alexandra	Dr_Leonard: Did you mean regedit, judgedeadd, or Archfeared? With 27 more authors matching your query.
	Dr_Leonard	huh
	Decibelle	http://ci-wiki.wikidot.com/site-rules oh here
	Dr_Leonard	.au edawac
	Alexandra	Dr_Leonard: EdAWACSdenyY has written 1 SCPs and 0 tales. They have 74 net upvotes with an average rating of 74. Their most recent article is SCP-1690(Rating:74)
	Decibelle	the text blended in so well with the background
	Dr_Leonard	scp-1690
	Alexandra	Dr_Leonard: SCP-1690 (Sentimental Sushi Man with a Wasabi Sculpture, Originally written by EdAWACSdenyY, rewritten by Zyn, Rating:+74) - http://scp-wiki.net/scp-1690
	Live2Die	Decibelle yeah, that probably should be fixed