[23:33:37]	Keileon	Zio want to dev plantworld?
[23:34:29]	Ziolang	Hmmm
[23:34:50]	Keileon	Main things:
[23:34:55]	Keileon	1. Name is needed
[23:35:04]	Ziolang	finishing a movie atm, but I can in and out methinks
[23:35:08]	Keileon	2. Giant ribcage in a very ruined city
[23:35:26]	Keileon	3. Shadow suggested it have a shared backstory with Rinul's creation
[23:36:06]	Ziolang	>inb4 giant ribcage is some kind of deity
[23:36:10]	Keileon	oh god
[23:40:31]	Keileon	idk I think we need more planets with megafauna
[23:40:33]	Ziolang	So then... before or after Rinul burned out?
[23:41:01]	Starr	Celaflora counts as one
[23:41:11]	Starr	goes back to drawing faces
[23:41:18]	Keileon	Mmm
[23:41:32]	Keileon	Before, maybe
[23:42:41]	Ziolang	Wait did Rinul burn out in Drei?
[23:42:45]	Ziolang	So many questions
[23:44:00]	Keileon	Yes, its burning out has nothing to do with its destruction
[23:44:55]	Ziolang	k
[23:47:10]	Ziolang	Rinul would have been put in its dimensional pocket in all timelines then; did they come out of it in drei or remain therein?
[23:47:15]	Ziolang	[shadow?]
[23:48:03]	|<--	Starr has left irc.paradoxirc.net (Quit: A new future is mine for the carving, to staunch the bleeding with ashes.)
[23:54:36]	Keileon	I think they stay in but have more access to the outside
[23:56:22]	Ziolang	It would make sense. Actually they could utilize it to remain a hidden threat against the Vodera
[23:56:27]	Keileon	^
[23:57:11]	Ziolang	The Vodera would probably be aware that there's another player to supplying the resistance, but not sure where they are
[23:57:21]	Keileon	...
[23:57:23]	Keileon	. . .
[23:57:30]	Keileon	Would they know /what/ they are?
[23:57:36]	Ziolang	Possibly
[23:57:43]	Keileon	Because if that's the case
[23:57:56]	Ziolang	Depends on how much they knew about them before they joined the resistance
[23:58:00]	Keileon	And a bunch of Vodera find a random teenaged Ereva on Plantword...
[23:58:52]	Ziolang	There's a lot more danger to that than you might think... possibly
[23:58:58]	Ziolang	I've been theorizing
[23:59:21]	Keileon	???
[23:59:37]	Ziolang	If Hirasu has truly attained true symbiotic mastery with Vorpal
[23:59:54]	Ziolang	He could, in theory, be anywhere there is Vorpal
[00:00:01]	Keileon	Oh god
[00:00:06]	Keileon	I see where this is going
[00:00:13]	Ziolang	If they knew Ereva were the race of the hidden planet
[00:00:22]	Ziolang	He might pay a personal visit
[00:00:58]	Ziolang	Or channel power to the Vodera that are there at least
[00:01:19]	Keileon	So maybe the plot behind the plantworld 1x1 is that the Vodera try to vorpalize Aryn and otherwise let her get back home?
[00:01:54]	Ziolang	This depends on how much the Vodera know about Rinul
[00:03:04]	Keileon	Although the mental image of Hirasu coming in person to plantworld when Aryn is there (aryn, the girl who implied Tiran needed fashion tips) is... welll...
[00:03:08]	Ziolang	Actually, if they knew the Ereva were from that world, Hirasu would probably provide double play, convincing Aryn she evaded capture and make it "safely" bak to Rinul
[00:03:16]	Keileon	^
[00:03:37]	Ziolang	Ultimately leading Hirasu directly to a power player
[00:03:45]	Ziolang	All because a little girl had a tantrum
[00:03:52]	Keileon	LOL
[00:04:43]	Ziolang	shadow you gonna be up much longer? here at all?
[00:05:37]	Shadow	I'm here
[00:06:07]	Ziolang	I need a better idea of what their connection in creation would entail
[00:07:18]	Ziolang	I'd imagine they shared a solar system, then Rinul burned out. Possibly plant world's high-mana concentration was drawn upon to help fuel the dimensional bubble phenomenon
[00:08:05]	Shadow	No concrete thoughts for that; but I do think that the two planets could be linked in one way or another, causing Rinul's collapse
[00:08:20]	Ziolang	Ohey
[00:09:21]	Ziolang	What if Rinul was actually a mining planet for Plant world? Perhaps mineral-material type stuff was scarce there so they managed to get to Rinul and gained all their resources from mining colonies eventually leading to its collapse?
[00:10:08]	Ziolang	something like that at least
[00:10:20]	Keileon	That would imply they've been spacefaring as long or longer than the other two main resistance planets ._.
[00:10:46]	Shadow	And the biggest plothole is that they'd have breached Rinul long before then
[00:10:51]	Ziolang	Not necessarily, not if they had manacles or some other mana-type link between the planets
[00:11:23]	Ziolang	How do you mean breached? Who?
[00:11:24]	Shadow	Ah, point taken. Actually, let's suppose, both planets originally had "twin" Manacles to them
[00:11:42]	Ziolang	oh?
[00:11:46]	Keileon	Which immediately makes Aryn getting there less complicated
[00:12:04]	Shadow	I mean originally. Current Rinul wouldn't... probably.
[00:12:08]	Keileon	o
[00:12:14]	Keileon	Well like
[00:12:28]	Keileon	It would make sense if Rinul and Plantworld had that link
[00:12:48]	Keileon	Plantworld refugees need to get to Rinul somehow, too
[00:12:56]	Ziolang	Current rinul might still have residual links, but I doubt they'd be naturally functional
[00:13:09]	Ziolang	Until plantworld refugees reopen it?
[00:13:14]	Keileon	^
[00:13:46]	Shadow	"residual links"
[00:13:53]	Ziolang	They would probably close them again very shortly after though
[00:14:08]	Ziolang	So Aryn would have a tiny window if this was how we did it
[00:14:28]	Keileon	Which is why Aryn jumps the gun and decides to go through before it's too late to choose
[00:14:40]	Keileon	Which means Rowan would have to be right on her tail
[00:15:18]	Ziolang	Yeah, Shadow, I have no idea if that's how it would even work. I just figured some kind of... footprint? would be left in the link's place
[00:16:15]	Shadow	First, we should probably avoid stretching the suspension of disbelief by saying that both planets had twin Manacles, then Rinul collapsed, and somehow manages to restore an identical Manacle with the same link? And even then, that the traces of the link would survive for /however long/ it took for Rinul to reform?
[00:16:24]	Shadow	We're talking geological time here
[00:17:05]	Keileon	We're also talking a really highly advanced race, but point taken
[00:17:18]	Ziolang	makes sense.
[00:17:36]	Shadow	"highly-advanced" is a plothole of its own, unless they got wiped out
[00:17:47]	Ziolang	Well not necessarily advanced if Rinul was their mining world. They'd've lost their resources for that
[00:17:56]	Keileon	The thing is that Plantworld refugees (and Aryn/Rowan) can't cross the gap in space by traditional spacetravel means
[00:17:59]	Ziolang	When Rinul burned out
[00:18:21]	Keileon	... Does... does this mean Plantworld people are Ereva?
[00:18:26]	Keileon	Or related?
[00:18:32]	Ziolang	All their great cities would mostly be in shambles due to lack of resources to maintain them over the great time span
[00:18:46]	Ziolang	Possibly, but I'd like to think not for some reason
[00:19:09]	Keileon	I think the most that we should do with that is distant relatives
[00:19:35]	Keileon	Not actual Ereva, but maybe keep the similar animal ears and tails
[00:19:36]	Shadow	I'd like to say related for the sake of establishing another animalpeople race. Not Ereva, though. Ereva evolved from the specific circumstances of Rinul's bubble
[00:19:47]	Keileon	Yeah basically
[00:20:35]	Ziolang	yeah
[00:21:01]	Keileon	Canine/feline like Ereva or some other creature to maintain a difference?
[00:21:44]	Keileon	For some reason I see these people as being mainly feline
[00:24:09]	Shadow	But well, there's... a problem with this. Timescale. The timescale is too big. Whatever happened to Rinul that also affected Plantworld, it couldn't have been the same civilization. A predecessor to /current/ plantworld inhabitants, perhaps
[00:24:15]	Shadow	But not the same civilization
[00:24:33]	Keileon	Oh, no doubt
[00:25:00]	Ziolang	Aye
[00:25:10]	Keileon	What I'm thinking is that the ancestor was on both worlds, The Thing happened, the ones on Rinul became Ereva and the ones on Plantworld became... something
[00:26:38]	Ziolang	As noted, if we went the "mining til burnt out" route, they're technobabble resources would be gone and they'd probably have a planet-wide collapse of society as they were forced to revert to more """"""primitive"""""" means. Or something...
[00:27:14]	Shadow	Here's my take: Plantworld and Rinul were sister planets linked by twin Manacles until *something* happened on Rinul, something on the level of an extiction event that led to its collapse. Plantworld is not affected as severely, and instead "resets"
[00:27:30]	Ziolang	Rinul does The Thing taking some folks with it and voila, two different worlds with the same ancestors
[00:27:52]	Ziolang	>*something*
[00:28:06]	Shadow	No specifics
[00:28:07]	Ziolang	loving the somethings in our developments =x
[00:28:22]	Shadow	But the general idea is there
[00:28:56]	Keileon	Following up with Shadow, maybe the Thing cut the link between the Manacles and the not!Ereva were /forced/ to evolve on their own. Then come the Vodera invasion and they try to reestablish the link out of necessity for getting a new ally?
[00:28:59]	Ziolang	So you're suggesting they've both been inhabited from the start with some kind of common ancestral origin until Rinul goes blip
[00:29:40]	Ziolang	Then like Kuda said they evolve onward seperately based on circumstance
[00:29:44]	Ziolang	...
[00:29:46]	Ziolang	........
[00:29:48]	Ziolang	......................
[00:30:07]	Ziolang	Could Rinul theology have some kind of connection to The Thing?
[00:30:16]	Keileon	I was wondering about that
[00:30:22]	Keileon	Maybe like
[00:31:30]	Ziolang	Hey did I ever make a wiki page for that?
[00:31:35]	Keileon	Plantworld, as the home planet of Erevan ancestors, with its high Mana concentration, may as well be seen as Alma
[00:31:39]	Keileon	http://manaverse.zejroleplaying.org/index.php?title=User:Keileon/Rinul
[00:31:54]	Ziolang	oooh it's in stasis
[00:31:57]	Ziolang	gotcha
[00:32:21]	Keileon	Plantworld is Alma. Rinul is Diala.
[00:33:49]	Ziolang	Interesting
[00:34:47]	Ziolang	Ok plant world needs a name
[00:34:50]	Keileon	^
[00:34:54]	Ziolang	Plant!World is driving me nuts
[00:35:47]	Ziolang	Planet Lanes
[00:35:50]	Keileon	http://fantasynamegenerators.com/planet_names.php
[00:35:53]	Keileon	shrugs
[00:35:56]	Ziolang	Where veryone gets an odd nickname
[00:36:02]	Ziolang	*everyone
[00:36:11]	Keileon	LOL
[00:36:29]	Keileon	LMAO I immediatey got "Dialia"
[00:36:34]	Keileon	*immediately
[00:36:50]	Ziolang	lol
[00:37:22]	Keileon	Loistea's an option
[00:37:25]	Ziolang	>Rinul sounds like Renewal
[00:37:31]	Shadow	./literally/ why not just call it Alma. Rinul is Rinul to Ereva, but Diala to Plantworld's. Names got muddled in translation to mythology
[00:37:34]	Ziolang	"Subscription"?
[00:37:37]	Keileon	LOL
[00:37:39]	Keileon	LMAO
[00:38:05]	Ziolang	I was literally thinking the same thing, Shadow
[00:38:07]	Keileon	Shadow because we already have another thing called Alma don't we?
[00:38:11]	Ziolang	Or rather, naming it after Alma
[00:38:20]	Ziolang	-after, +similar to
[00:38:54]	Ziolang	"Amla" =x
[00:38:58]	Keileon	lol
[00:39:05]	Ziolang	Lama
[00:39:11]	Keileon	Llama
[00:39:14]	Ziolang	^
[00:39:25]	Shadow	Maybe, maybe not. It's one of the things that are on the chopping block
[00:39:26]	Ziolang	Welcome to late night dev
[00:39:26]	fryborg	[Jake] There's a "Carl" joke in there, somewhere
[00:39:46]	Ziolang	Carl is a boravel joke
[00:39:48]	Keileon	Carl was originally the god of planet Llama
[00:39:53]	Ziolang	LOL
[00:40:16]	Ziolang	You have just claimed the top reference of the day
[00:40:21]	Ziolang	10/10
[00:40:43]	Keileon	Well I mean it was Eeb's reference I just picked up on it
[00:41:17]	Ziolang	>mfw not sure if you realize that it's a Jimmy Neutron joke
[00:41:25]	Keileon	it is
[00:41:48]	Keileon	but I'm saying that Eeb made the reference first
[00:41:58]	Ziolang	oooh gotcha
[00:42:16]	Ziolang	shrugs and blames late night dev
[00:42:23]	Ziolang	Anyway planet name pls
[00:42:37]	Keileon	almia
[00:42:40]	Keileon	we pokemon now
[00:42:55]	Ziolang	Almris
[00:43:08]	Keileon	Oh I like that
[00:43:24]	Ziolang	I feel like I've used that name somewhere...
[00:46:49]	Ziolang	Hm, don't see it anywhere. Strange, it feels really familiar
[00:46:56]	Keileon	It does
[00:47:06]	Keileon	Maybe it's someone's surname
[00:47:56]	Ziolang	Nah, it sounds like something I'd've used for an MTG card or something
[00:48:02]	Ziolang	But I'm not seeing it anywhere
[00:48:03]	Ziolang	idk
[00:49:25]	Ziolang	I'm just gonna go ahead and say feel free to use it for Plant!world if we want it
[00:49:31]	Keileon	k