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  3. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  5. I HAVE stopped threatening you in all ways and made it clear that it never had anything to do with your religious background.
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  9. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  12. jevvs said the following:
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  14. Didn't we already agree that your anger was illegitimate two weeks ago? And no, there was definitely a death threat in there.
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  16. Also, if you don't mind me asking, what kind of action am I asking for in my journal? I'm pretty sure it was something along the lines of "Moleman has to stop threatening me with death for being Jewish."
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  19. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  21. I did NOT publicly threaten to kill you in the journal, and while excessive, it was obviously not without reasons for me being legitimately angry.
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  23. You are clearly calling for action to be taken against me in your journal.
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  27. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  30. jevvs said the following:
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  32. I'm sorry, but did I ask my followers to kill you? Why do you think that me exposing your death threat is worse than you making it?
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  35. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  37. You are wrong. We are on equal terms at BEST. You HAVE personally attacked and defamed me just like I did you. I removed my attacking journal, and now you must do the same. I am not demanding a public apology from you, therefore you cannot demand it from me.
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  41. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  44. jevvs said the following:
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  46. Aside from a minor violation of Godwin's Law? Yes.
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  50. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  52. So are you claiming you've done nothing wrong? Yes or No?
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  55. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  58. jevvs said the following:
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  60. I haven't publicly attacked nor defamed you. I responded to a death threat with evidence that you've continually harassed me over things you've prejudged me to have done.
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  62. Your embarrassment over your own wrongdoing doesn't mean that my report of your wrongdoing is defaming.
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  65. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  67. You publicly attack and defame me, and wish to continue doing so.
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  69. Are you implying that you do not believe yourself to have done anything wrong?
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  72. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  75. jevvs said the following:
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  77. And which wrongs would those be? Did I ask someone to kill you? Did I say I would dance on your grave? Did I refuse service to "your kind?"
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  80. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  82. What about the wrongs YOU'VE committed? You seem to be asking more of me than I am of you.
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  86. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  89. jevvs said the following:
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  91. This isn't a sincere apology.
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  93. You're not expressing remorse for the wrongs you've committed, but for "grouping" me with people whom you feel justified in doing the same wrongs. That isn't the apology I requested from you.
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  95. Further, your sincerity seems more dishonest by directly expressing that you're trying to make a deal. That's probably how you see things, but remember that I asked you specifically to apologize for the death threat.
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  97. Please be serious.
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  100. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  102. There, I did it.
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  106. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  109. jevvs said the following:
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  111. And that's reason enough for you to withhold a public apology for a death threat? "Drawing attention to my circle?"
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  113. You'll have to remind why "my circle" is relevant to you publicly apologizing to me. If someone else wronged you, it's not my business, and I'm not asking you to apologize to them.
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  116. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  118. Publicly acknowledging you would draw attention to your circle.
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  122. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  125. jevvs said the following:
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  127. 1. It's pronounced "Jeeves."
  128. 2. My avatar didn't stop you from writing your since-deleted journal asking your friends to kill me. Why would it stop you from taking that request back?
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  130. I honestly don't understand what you mean by my avatar being "exploitative" or my name being "indicative of trolling associations," but I'd wager that it means you're still discriminating against me.
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  132. It's funny; isn't that the behavior you apologized for? Prejudging me to be a vicious cyberbeast to be hunted like a coyote? Granted, you've defanged your words, but I can see the hate.
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  135. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  137. I do not want attention drawn to this fiasco. That is why I won't mention you in a journal, especially considering your highly exploitative avatar and name that is clearly indicative of trolling associations.
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  141. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  144. jevvs said the following:
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  146. You lost me at the part where you said asking for a public apology is being a dick.
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  149. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  151. Just stop being a dick and remove the damn thing.
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  155. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  158. jevvs said the following:
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  160. Well, since it seems like I've just reproven my point, I'll repeat my offer to remove my journal entry.
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  162. If you post a public apology for what you've done in your journal, I'll remove my journal entry. However, your apology must be sincere, and it must address all the evidence I've shared in my journal. I also expect a specific apology for the death threat.
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  164. I would also appreciate an apology for you calling me a troll, though I'm not prioritizing that since you aren't demanding my death for it. Still, keep in mind that what just happened was what got us into this mess.
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  168. jevvs said the following:
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  170. This sounds like the kind of claim that would be backed up with evidence if it were true. Perhaps you should ask your friends to kill me again.
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  172. I'm disappointed that our conversation is taking this turn.
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  175. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  177. You joined specifically in response to the initial drama surrounding me and have explicitly associated with the more severe cyberbullies. You WERE a troll when you joined, at the very least. If you truly wish to become a legitimate user, you ought to disassociate yourself from your initial ways on this site.
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  180. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  183. jevvs said the following:
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  185. Really? This again?
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  187. Moleman, I have more evidence of you being an anti-Semite than you have of me being a troll, or a cyberbully, or a monster, or someone of an unwelcome kind.
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  189. Do you really want to have another conversation for which you'll have to apologize? Don't forget how and why this conversation started.
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  192. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  194. You ARE a troll. That much is a FACT.
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  198. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  201. jevvs said the following:
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  203. When you write a word down and read it, erasing the paper doesn't erase the message. You haven't told anyone that I'm not a cyberbully/monster/unwelcome kind/troll/et cetera.
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  205. Granted, I don't think anyone has tried to kill me on your behalf just yet, but the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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  208. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  210. There was never any damage. Link me some examples of people other than me attacking you.
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  214. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  217. jevvs said the following:
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  219. It certainly isn't. Your friend made a similar baseless claim.
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  221. Under deviantArt Etiquette (see the link below), my journal entry is considered "Discouraged Commentary." It's not strictly prohibited, but discouraged. When writing it, I felt that all of my claims were substantiated with the evidence I presented, and I also felt that it would raise awareness of your anti-Semitism, and thus published it thinking it could do good for the dA community.
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  223. My offer for removing my journal entry stands: if you make the same people who you asked to kill me aware of your apology towards me while explaining the things that I wrote about, I'll remove it. I appreciate the apology you've already given me, but I don't think it will do much good if you don't undo the damage you've done.
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  226. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  228. I've apologized to you. That is enough. Your journal is in violation of site rules.
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  232. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  235. jevvs said the following:
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  237. I'm more than willing to remove it, but whether I do or not depends on you.
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  239. If you post a public apology for what you've done in your journal, I'll remove my journal entry. However, your apology must be sincere, and it must address all the evidence I've shared in my journal. I also expect a specific apology for the death threat.
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  241. I have no interest in keeping my entry up if you can prove you're not the anti-Semite I thought you are, but I do have an interest in building and keeping my spotless reputation.
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  244. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  246. Are you going to remove the journal or not?
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  250. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  253. jevvs said the following:
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  255. See, Moleman, here's the problem: you're trying to say that your categorical death threat against me and my friends is my fault because you didn't know that I wasn't doing whatever it is that warrants you taking someone's life. You might write unkind words about someone too if one called "your kind" unwelcome, called you a monster, and then asked people to hunt you. My peers have won awards for doing just that.
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  257. As for your claim that I'm smearing you, I'd like to ask you to review the words you've kindly shared with me. Since I still can't tell if you've read my journal entry, I'll do it for you:
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  259. * You said I'm "clearly" a troll for reappropriating a racist caricature and backed this claim up with nothing
  260. * You told me that "my kind" is not welcome on your pages and prevented me from responding
  261. * You asked your friends to kill me and you're now criticizing me for defending myself
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  263. What would you have gathered from what you've told me?
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  266. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  268. Obviously, your journal twists facts heavily to make me look bad. All the horrible things you quote me as saying with the implication that I'm referring to Jews were actually directed toward cyberbullies; that is, pure, unrepentant cyberbullies, which I'm now starting to see you might not fall under after all.
  269. Again, I always perceived you as a cyberbully from the fact that you came from 789Chan, but I do acknowledge that you technically never outright harassed me until I directly called you out first.
  270. I'm, again, sorry for overreacting.
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  273. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  276. jevvs said the following:
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  278. Well, I suppose that would make us even if I only wanted you to withdraw your call for the death of my friends and me and to include slightly fewer negative stereotypes in your lore, but I don't find that satisfying; judging from your one-word description of my journal as "awful," I don't think all of our problems would be resolved.
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  280. Would you care to discuss why my journal entry is awful? Dysphemistic title aside, I did my best to account for the whole truth in it. I do agree that the events I described are terrible, but one wouldn't call Night awful, would they?
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  282. Nevertheless, I do appreciate you withdrawing your fatwa. I'm still not sure what I did to be 'called out'. The only other words exchanged between us that I didn't include in my journal entry were my suggestion that you include a content warning on that thing you were arguing about in IRC, but I don't remember the details. I think you mentioned being attacked by goths or something.
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  285. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  287. I deleted the journal at the explicit advice of Dlausactor6373. The Joiemgaw hero character is part of a set I'd been planning for a while, and I wanted to expand on them anyway, since they are one of the chief neutral factions in my setting and make a lot of the technology, etc. And now that he's done, I really do think he's turned out to be one of the favorite characters of mine, though the same can also be said for the other two "superheroes" that he shares his picture with.
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  289. Anyway, all I'm really asking of you is to delete that awful journal. Then I'd call us even.
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  293. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  296. jevvs said the following:
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  298. Oh, so we do share mutual leverage! Truth be told, I never expected you to read my journal entry since you blocked me without reason. I won't dwell on that since that's no longer in effect.
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  300. I'm not sure how I feel about proving you wrong (I think it was Ta-Nehisi Coates who recently wrote an essay about lowered expectations as modern prejudice), but I suppose that an impression of civility can't hurt.
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  302. In any case, I'm interested in what motivated you to delete your threatening journal entry and add a Joiemagaw hero to your universe. Do you have a response to my journal entry? I don't know what dlausactor6373's stake in our affairs may be, but he didn't explain your motivation for making this "deal;" we mostly discussed my motive and whether or not I was at fault.
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  304. P.S. I wasn't aware of the Joiemagaw hero. By blocking me, you must have removed yourself from my watch list.
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  307. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  309. That, and I deleted the call-out journal.
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  313. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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  316. jevvs said the following:
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  318. Something like that. I received a message from someone asking me to "strike a deal" with you. I don't know what kind of "deal" he's expecting, but I'm assuming he's been in contact with you and you already have something you want to tell me.
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  321. Moleman9000 said the following:
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  323. I've been told that you'd like to make peace.
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  326. Visit my Awesome Video Channel at http://www.youtube.com/user/molemanninethousand !
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