Duck of Wessex Strikes Again, Part 3

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NeoMetric - Today at 8:40 AM
But you have to convince them, I can set up the meeting etc but I wont be doing the leg work for it
That'll just make a lot of unnecessary animosity
If you care to that is, right
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:40 AM
Now, aren't they established in their own place as far as LiF is concerned?
NeoMetric - Today at 8:41 AM
I won't play without my core group of friends, and currently they're upset. I'm easy to forgive and move on as long as I feel respected.
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:41 AM
Would making amends be for the purpose of the future, like CoE, only?
NeoMetric - Today at 8:41 AM
Militarily it'll probably help on LiF but that'll take some strong persuasion. CoE is definitely doable but it all depends on how you come across ot them
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King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:42 AM
Kaylem was hoping to invite them to join him in Launceston in LiF. If that's far fetched I'll just reach out to them for a future in CoE with a buried hatchet.
NeoMetric - Today at 8:42 AM
He extended that to me and I told him the same thing.
I'll only be apart of my own identity moving forward
Which is also why in LiF im not in the guild TFO, i'm in a smaller guild called SCCo (Silver Crow Company). Same guild as TFO but in-game mechanics wise im separate
I'll only be apart of my own identity
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:44 AM
Ironmoor and Vanzan's barony to be separate in CoE?
NeoMetric - Today at 8:44 AM
No in CoE i'll be the sole lead as Baron
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:44 AM
Oh, good. What did he spring $550 for?
NeoMetric - Today at 8:44 AM
To learn alpha 1 with me and to have his own house etc
I plan on mastering CoE like i mastered LiF
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:45 AM
Isn't that a baron package though, at $550?
NeoMetric - Today at 8:45 AM
Correct
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:45 AM
But you're going to merge parcels of land?
NeoMetric - Today at 8:45 AM
Either own two barony's or he'll be a mayor in my barony
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:46 AM
Mayor versus baron is just a matter of taking a charter from the duke.
NeoMetric - Today at 8:46 AM
Ah, well either or he's getting it to learn CoE with me in Alpha 1
that was the original purpose
The other bells and whistles like the equipment etc, he's already agree'd to be apart of Knoxville
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:47 AM
It's cool stuff for sure. The count package is pretty sweet.
NeoMetric - Today at 8:47 AM
I'd have bought count if it was available
only 200$ more
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:47 AM
Yeah...
NeoMetric - Today at 8:48 AM
But from what i've seen was offered
IT wasn't anything more in-game for character
Just designing stuff
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:48 AM
Just that title. Yeah, you still get the manor and everything with the barony.
NeoMetric - Today at 8:48 AM
But my heirarchy will be pretty close related to Wessex, for obvious reasons
Rather than military ranks for the garrison like Wessex has i took a traditional approach
The only actual military ranks are the leading ones, Lieutenant, Captain, Commander. The rest are just skillsets
But im sure you don't care to talk about that. The bulk of what we discussed were the issues at hand. All I ever wanted was to be given the respect i felt like i earned over my career with wessex
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:51 AM
Ah, if you only knew what esteem I held you in.
I truly do respect talent, but more than that, the ability to think objectively. It's so rare.
And I knew you had it.
I recognized that being the one to think practically and with precision when very often others think irrationally could sometimes lead to the habit of assuming you were always right by default. People call that "bluntness", but that's quite different than the ability to think clearly and directly itself.
NeoMetric - Today at 8:57 AM
Thats why Vanzan left PRosperity when he met me
He constatly says "Regardless of how blunt you are or how much of a dick, so far you've never been wrong" lol
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:58 AM
Right. Insight matters.
NeoMetric - Today at 8:58 AM
But thats also why I go out of my way constantly to makre sure my guys are properly represented and their emotions are dealt with proplery
properly* regardless of how it makes me look
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 8:58 AM
Diplomacy about it is a bonus, but separate - window dressing.
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:00 AM
It's an advantage to have both, though.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:01 AM
Thats also why vanzan and I Work well together
I'll do the directness and strong leadership he'll represent me when I piss people off and make relations
It's agood bond and thats why I hold him in such high regards, even if its to make afool of myself on his behalf to make sure he feels represented
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:02 AM
That's exactly what I wanted him to have done for me.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:03 AM
The difference between me and you though is evne with my busy work schedule I still took the time to give that strong overbearing presence of leadership for my guys. There were a bunch of things going on in the background that I personally failed to deal with because I was transitioning to a new job
But when I decide to take a leading role, everyone knows it and i'll command the respect the position deserves
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:04 AM
I was quite active in the time leading up to that incident. But "my guys" were supposed to be my immediate delegates - you, Vanzan, him, the cabinet.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:05 AM
Azzerhoden was viewed as the second to you, being the chancellor the position was for HR and PR
He failed on both fronts fantastically
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:05 AM
Perhaps.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:06 AM
I get you don't agree on that and that's fine. However I've been there plenty of times to hear him go "Diplomacy isnt really my thing" and any issue brought up to him prior to you he said "because" literally that was it
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:06 AM
I say perhaps because the results might speak for themselves, and a case certainly could be made.
If he was abrupt like that, I could have stood to have heard about that.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:07 AM
But, I also take responsibility for this because i drilled the heirarchy into my guys
and to respect it
So to go up the respective chain of command and be whole heartedly let down was probably soul crushing for their expectations
and the hype i put on it on LiF YO
A thing they all told me after leaving was
"We dont blame you for recruiting us to a broken guild"
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:08 AM
lol Geez.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:08 AM
I was caught off guard by that too
i was like wooah
first off
and then heated arguments pursued
So there were a lot of small things leading up to this
I'd have stayed after they all left if Azzerhoden stopped being so damn petty towards me and we had these talks sooner
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:09 AM
He was still petty even at the end?
NeoMetric - Today at 9:10 AM
Yea I wrote in the garrison "Don't do any missions etc without my direct consent"
and he immediately chimed in "Even if I okay it? OR manus?"
That wasnt the point of my original statement
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:10 AM
Did he do that in front of everyone?
NeoMetric - Today at 9:10 AM
In the garrison chat
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:10 AM
Ew..
That's petty.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:11 AM
I mean he did have his perks as a baronet, i just think you hyped up the wrong person
Thats my 2 cent,s cant undo it
and really shouldnt undo it for the time he spent as a dedicated clerk
But he was just that, a dedicated clerk
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:12 AM
Hm. That aspect of the chancellor.
When I came back to Wessex and saw that he had gotten it geared up for LiF all without me, I thought he was acting as defacto duke, so I lorded him out of appreciation.
And out of being impressed, in point of fact.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:15 AM
Really all he did was clerk work on the forums and even then I had to make spreadsheets because it was so slow for being updated
Thats how I got perms on the forums. Was so I could just do it lol
Got tired of asking people to do it for me
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:15 AM
You underrepresented yourself, you know. I had no idea you did all this kind of stuff.
And when my first day in the game, there was what I found to be a petty issue over who would have the honor of leading the entourage, I made assumptions about who the "level heads" were.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:17 AM
That was a spat between Altus trumping Vanzan who has been my military right hand man this entire time
Altus sat on his hands the entire time then decided Manus is here lts impress
As i said, before you showed up
Altus was rarely on, i think like twice
Azz only showed up to spar and do PVP when I set it all up for him on LiF YO
KAylem used to show up for pvp but stopped
I designed that entire training camp and made it on the life is roleplay server, i did the representing and guild recruitment. I populated the ts3 (had to persuade altus to give me perms on that ts3 as well because there were so many people there but no one had perms)
And then helped set up and re-secure the Wessex discord (Thats how I got perms there too)
I didnt just ask to get perms everywhere it came up as was relevant and just stayed
I say re-secure because when azz was making ranks he messed up the order and how the perms worked for lower tier ranks(edited)
it let people give them admin ranks and see all channels
But, I also dont like to talk about myself lol, I like to let my actions do it for me
This is all after the fact that I thought someone would've told you
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:20 AM
They told me your star traits like your ability to lead on the battlefield and your personal combat prowess.
They didn't say how you did all that legwork. Perhaps it's less glamorous and all.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:21 AM
Probably in their eyes, who knows. I did some crazy stuff in combat tho that was pretty fun in LiF YO
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:21 AM
But it conveys a whole bunch of other information about how much so and so must love the clan and so forth.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:22 AM
I mean I would play with all the big guilds, BLood Pact alliance, FU (before FU formed), etc etc
And I put wessex on the Do not attack list, bartered neutrality
Then NA and EU was annoucned and i got fucked cus all the main big guilds were EU lol
so i redid it for NA with BV, maples, prosperity. helped them on YO servers through combat so they had that comradery with me
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:22 AM
That always sucks.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:23 AM
Like FU never attacked us when I was in hyperion, never had issues and I had enough pull and contacts to avoid the minor issues we'd have from time to time
On LiF:YO to gain favor with Maples (Ardent maples now) one of the founding and biggest guilds of FU
We had a war on a server called Feudal Realms, and we were hands down winning
took over the entire map was gonna be us vs maples now
I called it off as a draw out of respect to maples this was just before MMO happened
Pissed off all my guys, said my ego and pride got in the way, i was scared etc didnt matter
Maples would remember i chose a friendly end to a conflict to save face for both groups
Shortly after that Brando freaked out and said to stop all fighting on LiF:YO to avoid conflict with guilds on the MMO (Ironically)
and that killed the rest of the golden age of recruiting
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:27 AM
Heheh...You know, Brando sometimes is pretty shortsighted.
I don't agree with everything he does.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:27 AM
Take that moment right there that i described, and add countless other ones i've done since the dawn of LiF:YO to garner favor
Like i had one ace in the hole i cant use now because they know i left hyperion
Kingdom of Aberon, a decent sized EU guild
all made NA alts solely for me as an ace in the hole naked zerg support for us
if we were ever hands down losing
thats like 30 EU people
Never mentioned it to people before to avoid it leaking
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:29 AM
Yeah...Brando's kneejerk about "fighting" in the YO overlooks all the sheer networking and contact and respect going on.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:29 AM
But, take all that, that my guys have seen me do
and constantly do
And give all that credit to azz infront of them lol
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:30 AM
Well, I wish they had cut me some slack. I didn't know all this stuff. Even to this very moment.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:31 AM
But you're starting to see why they got so heated so quickly
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:31 AM
I do, I do.. I just don't see how they would assume that meant I was deliberately slighting you.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:31 AM
I mean when you get a mob riled up and they talk amongst themselves
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:31 AM
Or, I don't see how they would be justified in thinking that...I'm aware that people just do that, though.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:31 AM
they come to terms they can rationalize
Mob mentality is a crazy thing
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:32 AM
It's really the only enemy in games like this.
That's all you have to manage.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:33 AM
Yea, and I do when im in combat. HR sides of it Vanzan can do. However the dynamic with me and vanzan is he'll come to me with alot of issues bothering him and i'll settle them for him with him knowing and seeing it
Usually publicly to give him the most feeling of relief
However due to my bluntness and generally tact-less approach to humor feelings when they left to go make TFO they wanted Vanzan to lead
Which upset all my core guys but humored the crafters etc
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:34 AM
But you're the guy for CoE, hands down, right?
NeoMetric - Today at 9:34 AM
If i say im leading, im leading
Zero tolerance otherwise
Just like for SCCo, Silver Crow Company. I lead that regardless of peoples feelings. It is small and generally inactive but if I get them online we'll win fights.
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:36 AM
Well, after all you've done, and the obvious heart you invested in Wessex, even though being on to your own banner now -
because of the way CoE works, with baronies and counties being part of the composition of duchies,
if you park near us, you'll still be a (duchy of) Wessex man.(edited)
NeoMetric - Today at 9:37 AM
There are several things riding on that however. For me to be satisified with that Azz cant have literally any say towards me or my guys. If he does know i simply wont recognize it
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:38 AM
Well, Azz will be in his own county.
There's 24 counties to fill in a duchy.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:38 AM
And two, the respect between me and you has to be visible and ongoing. If secondhand chats and behind the scenes go without me involved  know my tolerance for it a second time around wont be as high.
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:38 AM
He'll either be in my home county Elba, or in another nurturing his baron pack.
You and me direct chat, man. That's all we ever had to do.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:39 AM
As I said, before leaving and everyone telling me 'I bled wessex too man' and all this other stuff. None of them went out on their own and slowly built a pvp crew of elitists and turned that into a guild over the course of 2-3 years lol
All in the name of someone they never met
So I still think i was the only true wessex guy to leave and it took days to think it over
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:41 AM
Yes. That seems to be the case.
lol "I bled Wessex too, mannn"
NeoMetric - Today at 9:41 AM
Yea that always bothered me when they said that stuff then immediately followed it up with "we dont blame you for recruiting us to a broken guild"
Those two dont go hand in hand. Wessex wasnt and isnt a broken guild. This iteration was unfortunate with who lead it
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:43 AM
Yes, the design should be considered separately from the personalities involved at any given time.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:43 AM
Thats how i viewed it. Why i said My only issues with hyperion are You and Azzerhoden
However we're bridging that gap now, Azzerhoden I don't care to
I've seen his functions, he's not even humble enough to try to sit down to talk it out
You admitted mistakes made, lack of info and the miscommunication that plagued this split. Azzerhoden wont see it that way because i've already seen how he viewed mistakes he's made in the past
Im a relatively easy guy to have forgive and move on as long as I feel righted and respected
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:47 AM
If that's the case with Azz, you need never even deal with him. Duchies are that big.
Otherwise, shakes hands we'll see what happens.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:48 AM
I'll let the guys know later tonight when most of them are on (It's currently 10am, they'll all be on around 6-7pm)
And shoot you a message probably for some meeting to happen Saturday
Unless you'll be available for sometime tonight
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:50 AM
I've been up all night tonight...haha... But I should be around tonight too. :wink:
NeoMetric - Today at 9:50 AM
Sure, i'll let you know later today then whats goin on. The hardest one to convince will be Vanzan
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:50 AM
Yikes, I am sure.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:50 AM
He felt the most passionate about his let downs and "betrayals"
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:52 AM
Well, hopefully you got a sense of where I was coming from on that, and can downplay the exaggerations like me saying he had a dark life and such things.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:53 AM
I don't want to do any of the leg work because know if I speak too much before hand it'll come across as me trying to sales pitch it. It'll strike alot close to home if the whole expectations/hopes/direction comes from you
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:53 AM
Alright.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:54 AM
I'm not gonna just let it derail obviously but I'm hoping you can leave a lasting new impression and the ball is in your court to put your best foot forward
since I told you alot of what was ailing him
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:54 AM
I am certainly one who can forgive.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:55 AM
Well definitely dont come across as you forgiving. He did what he did passionately. It may have been a slight to you but he wont see that at first and its best I cross that bridge after the meeting
And just like anything done passionately, they always think they're right
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:55 AM
I mean I won't get defensive and try to prove a point.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:56 AM
Good good, i've got high hopes for this meeting it'll also further convince me too so there's that
Anyways go get some sleep. Plenty of time for more virtual politics later
King Manus Dei of Hyperion - Today at 9:56 AM
Hah, right.
Okay, you too.
NeoMetric - Today at 9:56 AM
Cya