[23:28:41] ItzViper482: munch is the only good sun counter
[23:28:52] ItzViper482: cause counter weather setters lose
[23:28:53] +Fiend Hound: i would say that that is wrong
[23:29:10] +Fiend Hound: snover sucks
[23:29:15] +Fiend Hound: hippo is p fine
[23:29:20] +Fiend Hound: licki exists!
[23:29:24] +Fiend Hound: munch is fine
[23:29:24] ItzViper482: i mean
[23:29:28] ItzViper482: im including viable mons
[23:29:30] ItzViper482: :P
[23:29:31] +Fiend Hound: amaura is fine but not durable
[23:29:41] +Fiend Hound: issue is all of those mons suck to use
[23:29:42] ItzViper482: hippo dies to like all bulba sets
[23:29:46] ItzViper482: and yeah they do!
[23:29:51] +Fiend Hound: yeah that's also a point
[23:29:54] ItzViper482: do u mind if i quote u on that lol
[23:29:58] +Fiend Hound: but they work
[23:30:01] +Fiend Hound: go for it
[23:30:08] +Fiend Hound: munchlax is a shit mon.
[23:30:18] +Fiend Hound: hippo is a mediocre mon you don't use
[23:30:32] +Fiend Hound: unless you have a sand fetish or are super scared of sun.
[23:31:22] +Fiend Hound: levi might disagree but he'd be wrong. sr + recovery isn't that good in the meta despite what you may think from how it looks on paper
[23:31:39] +Fiend Hound: if you want a fat ground mud is almost directly better
[23:31:44] +Fiend Hound: licki is awful
[23:32:23] +Fiend Hound: amaura is not that bad.
[23:32:38] +Fiend Hound: besides taking a lot from sludge and sr weak
[23:32:59] +Fiend Hound: and also how it is the most horrid defensive typing available
[23:33:25] +Fiend Hound: and it further hinds your team w/ hail, which while generally minor can lead to fun things like onix losing sturdy
[23:33:43] ItzViper482: it also doesnt want to eat a giga
[23:33:43] ItzViper482: lol
[23:33:47] +Fiend Hound: granted dual rock is generally shit but that's the example i have that is easy to display
[23:33:53] +Fiend Hound: yeah it drops to giga
[23:33:59] +Fiend Hound: was about to mention that
[23:34:13] +Fiend Hound: it also is v easy to pursuit trap[23:34:27] +Fiend Hound: if sun goes that route
[23:34:32] +Fiend Hound: and running bj or evio on it
[23:34:37] +Fiend Hound: makes it pretty meh
[23:34:49] +Fiend Hound: so you have no longevity
[23:35:00] +Fiend Hound: a-grimer is a mediocre sun counter
[23:35:20] +Fiend Hound: it doesn't really switch in and after a growth it generally loses
[23:35:37] +Fiend Hound: plus it is dammed it the sun team goes out of its way to be cool
[23:35:52] +Fiend Hound: ie forgoing dual chloro for like gastly
[23:35:59] +Fiend Hound: which isn't even a bad idea
[23:36:10] +Fiend Hound: and then you have to remember numel exists
[23:36:22] +Fiend Hound: which just goes to show that sun is moderately diverse
[23:36:36] +Fiend Hound: and that your fat shit doesn't counter
[23:36:47] +Fiend Hound: and offensively nothing really overwhelms sun
[23:36:55] +Fiend Hound: unless it gets a free turn.
[23:37:29] +Fiend Hound: and the way sun functions a lot of things fail to even overwhelm it
[23:37:45] +Fiend Hound: like fucking max speed shellder
[23:37:51] +Fiend Hound: doesn't work even if it boosts
[23:38:00] +Fiend Hound: carv / torchic need a free turn
[23:38:09] +Fiend Hound: all sd mons are outspeed and beaten
[23:38:18] +Fiend Hound: all smashers are generally fucked
[23:38:29] +Fiend Hound: our fat mons are like
[23:38:42] +Fiend Hound: ground / fairy / grass types
[23:38:48] +Fiend Hound: which drop to sun's coverage
[23:38:58] +Fiend Hound: or they are shitty normals!
[23:39:07] +Fiend Hound: or psns
[23:39:17] +Fiend Hound: which work, but is limited af
[23:39:51] +Fiend Hound: so yes
[23:39:55] +Fiend Hound: you are wrong
[23:40:03] +Fiend Hound: munch is not the best sun counter
[23:40:09] +Fiend Hound: because munch is garbage