[16:43:28] Daniel Gimenes: I had a talk with my boss today and he asked me to wait untill tomorrow to get an answer
[16:43:35] Daniel Gimenes: I'll update you when I have news :)
[16:43:43] Axel Bouaziz: an answer to ?
[16:44:20] Daniel Gimenes: he told me that he can make a "counter proposal" (not sure if its the correct word)
[16:45:05] Daniel Gimenes: counter offer
[16:45:06] Axel Bouaziz: Yes it’s the correct word
[16:45:24] Axel Bouaziz: But as I told you, the offer is not quite important for us
[16:45:29] Axel Bouaziz: The most important is where you will go with us
[16:45:37] Axel Bouaziz: On the long term vision
[16:45:56] Axel Bouaziz: Salary is one thing, building a company with experienced people is another thing
[16:46:18] Axel Bouaziz: To give you an idea, at my previous company, when it started working well, a very good developer earned between 2500 and 4000 €
[16:46:30] Axel Bouaziz: With that kind of amount, you can live like a king in Brazil I think
[16:46:59] Axel Bouaziz: and after a certain moment of time in the company, we give all employees shares of the company
[16:47:01] Axel Bouaziz: on top of salary
[16:48:42] Daniel Gimenes: yeah, living cost in Brazil is a bit expensive (we have to pay one of the most expensive taxes of the world for everything)
[16:49:19] Daniel Gimenes: but yes, with 4k € I can really live like a king :D
[16:49:58] Axel Bouaziz: That the kind of pay everyone got when everything goes well
[16:50:15] Axel Bouaziz: and by going well I do not speak of going extremely well (like making 1M€ at 4/5 people)
[16:50:48] Axel Bouaziz: apart from this, every year, we give back selled stock to the team (i.e. everyone gets a bonus based on his shares stock)
[16:51:52] Axel Bouaziz: I’m sorry but I need to go right now, don’t hesitate to send me more questions Daniel :)
[16:52:41] Daniel Gimenes: great, for sure I'll consider all those things
[16:52:57] Daniel Gimenes: thanks, cya
[17:05:08] Axel Bouaziz: The best thing to consider imo is not the salary
[17:05:19] Axel Bouaziz: But the work itself :)
[17:05:44] Axel Bouaziz: Salary is an important thing, but with good work & good team always come good salary
[17:07:43] Daniel Gimenes: agree. I actually consider a lot those things (work, team, long term vision)
[17:08:08] Daniel Gimenes: but at the moment the salary is also a critical point for me
[17:09:30] Daniel Gimenes: as I said, I like my current company and job, and I'm motivated with my work and future vision, the only point that hurts me is the low salary
[17:10:27] Daniel Gimenes: of course I'm very very motivated and enthusiastic with the new job at Maestroo
[17:11:54] Daniel Gimenes: but I can't say that the greater financial return is not one of the main reasons
[17:14:53] Daniel Gimenes: I really see a lot of advantages in working with you guys, but the thing that makes me leave my current job is the low salary
[17:16:22] Daniel Gimenes: Well, I'll wait for his counter offer and think about what I'll do, then I'll update you as soon as possible
[17:37:15] Axel Bouaziz: I completely understand it
[17:37:39] Axel Bouaziz: I think the evolution is also a major point
[17:37:51] Axel Bouaziz: How do you see you in this company in 2/3 years ?
[17:38:06] Axel Bouaziz: Are you going to evolve the way you want ?
[17:38:17] Axel Bouaziz: Will you get the salary your deserve ?
[17:38:33] Axel Bouaziz: I think those questions are more than important regarding your questions ;)
[17:39:21] Axel Bouaziz: Even if their offer is a bit better in terms of salary, they will have a hard time trying to beat us in terms of long term evolution and salary evolution
[17:42:16] Axel Bouaziz: And that being said, I'm not even sure their offer will be better just in terms of financial compensation regarding commission we offer
[17:42:41] Daniel Gimenes: about the company itselt, I trust a lot it's mission/vision, I think in 2/3 years the company can easily reach millions, but I'm not sure how I see myself in the company in 2/3 years, as does not seems like they give much value to employees
[17:43:37] Axel Bouaziz: So why do you want to stay in a company that does not value your work ? I'm not sure to understand...
[17:44:35] Daniel Gimenes: I did not say that they do not value, but it seems like that
[17:44:58] Axel Bouaziz: I refer to your vision as I'm not part of the company lol
[17:45:10] Daniel Gimenes: I'll make sure of that tomorrow
[17:45:30] Axel Bouaziz: I hope this is not the case
[17:45:52] Axel Bouaziz: Not valuing right employees is the biggest mistake imo
[17:46:07] Daniel Gimenes: agreed
[17:46:18] Axel Bouaziz: Check with them
[17:46:25] Axel Bouaziz: Go back to us before taking a decision
[17:46:35] Axel Bouaziz: As I said, salary is not a problem for us
[17:46:51] Axel Bouaziz: If it's just a salary question, we can discuss it ;)
[17:47:35] Daniel Gimenes: great, I'll get in touch as soon as possible
[17:48:14] Axel Bouaziz: Thanks Daniel
[17:48:23] Axel Bouaziz: Havé à Nice evening !
[17:49:04] Daniel Gimenes: Good evening for you too :)