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  1. [5/19/2015 12:14:25 AM] *** Seraph Basarab would like to add you on Skype
  2.  
  3. Hi Kelnon [J3B], I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
  4. [5/19/2015 12:45:38 AM] *** Kelnon [J3B] has shared contact details with Seraph Basarab. ***
  5. [5/19/2015 1:04:41 AM] Seraph Basarab: Hello how are you
  6. [5/31/2015 7:34:30 PM] Seraph Basarab: I think we should have a friendly discussion before this continues.
  7. [5/31/2015 8:10:42 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Is your plan to threaten me like Jan did to someone else?
  8. [5/31/2015 8:12:38 PM] Seraph Basarab: What? No. Where is this even coming from? We had one nice discussion before I joined brave and now you're acting like i'm the devil.
  9. [5/31/2015 8:13:05 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: When one of your directors makes real life threats to a corp mate of mine, I get less nice
  10. [5/31/2015 8:13:27 PM] Seraph Basarab: I find that highly unlikely. If that's true than I completely agree. That's messed up. Do you have proof of this?
  11. [5/31/2015 8:13:37 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: I do, but I'm on my phone
  12. [5/31/2015 8:14:31 PM] Seraph Basarab: That issue aside I believe you and I should talk.
  13. [5/31/2015 8:14:50 PM] Seraph Basarab: There's a lot of "I know a guy who knows a guy who told my friend X Y and Z about Seraph" going on.
  14. [5/31/2015 8:15:31 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: It's a game where information is paramount, so generally speaking, I too have heard things
  15. [5/31/2015 8:16:12 PM] Seraph Basarab: And I think there are some misconceptions and concerns to clear up. I like to speak directly and I hope you can do the same with me.
  16. [5/31/2015 8:17:23 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: I'm willing to listen. Regarding Jan, the proof was given at the cnm meeting. Lychton, the diplo team, and the ceos all agreed he should be on a coalition wide ban list due to it
  17. [5/31/2015 8:17:59 PM] Seraph Basarab: Is everyone aware of his PTSD?
  18. [5/31/2015 8:18:26 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: It was included in the logs as well
  19. [5/31/2015 8:18:54 PM] Seraph Basarab: So he got banned because he threatened someone or he threatened someone after he got kicked from corp?
  20. [5/31/2015 8:19:26 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: He was kicked before he threatened. He got coalition wide banning when he started making real life threats
  21. [5/31/2015 8:19:36 PM] Seraph Basarab: Why was he kicked initially?
  22. [5/31/2015 8:20:40 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: For doing things he was told not to and hiding relevant information intentionally
  23. [5/31/2015 8:20:51 PM] Seraph Basarab: What was he doing and what was he hiding?
  24. [5/31/2015 8:22:59 PM] Seraph Basarab: I thought we were speaking plainly.
  25. [5/31/2015 8:24:01 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Hid being a director in another corp, using the J3B name to push personal objectives after he was told not to
  26. [5/31/2015 8:25:16 PM] Seraph Basarab: He put a director alt in my corp to help me manage some things. But he never hid that from anyone. We even had a small meeting last night with alliance members explaining that. All he said about J3B was that he loves the corp, and that they produce capital ships for the alliance. How was he using it to push personal objectives?
  27. [5/31/2015 8:27:15 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: I don't have the logs in front of me, so the direct way I do not recall. The meeting last night where he said he was in our corp but was your guy completely was when the call was made to kick him
  28. [5/31/2015 8:28:57 PM] Seraph Basarab: He's my guy completely? What does that even mean?
  29. [5/31/2015 8:32:08 PM] Seraph Basarab: I mean there doesn't seem to be much justification here.
  30. [5/31/2015 8:35:09 PM] Seraph Basarab: This all really seems to simply hinge on your dislike of me.
  31. [5/31/2015 8:37:02 PM] Seraph Basarab: So I think that'd be an important matter to discuss perhaps before anything else. What exactly is your issue with me?
  32. [5/31/2015 8:55:43 PM] Seraph Basarab: Yeah there's no real life threat here.
  33. [5/31/2015 8:56:05 PM] Seraph Basarab: He said he knew people in the sense that he understood how they thought. Any tiny bit of context shows exactly that.
  34. [5/31/2015 8:56:10 PM] Seraph Basarab: What sort of game are you playing here?
  35. [5/31/2015 9:05:46 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: So in the time it took me to pick up a Sponsee, you have turned this into a nonfriendly conversation.
  36.  
  37. There is no game. And if you think that is where what he said ends, then he has played you. Either way, I'm done with this conversation.
  38. [5/31/2015 9:22:52 PM] Seraph Basarab: Then what did he say?
  39. [5/31/2015 9:24:14 PM] Seraph Basarab: I'm simply asking for you to provide proof. I don't think there's anything unfriendly about that.
  40. [5/31/2015 9:30:57 PM] Seraph Basarab: Not to be unfriendly but I feel as if you haven't been able to address any of the major questions/issues brought up which makes me wonder even more.
  41. [5/31/2015 10:21:47 PM] Seraph Basarab: Is this a refusal or are you unable?
  42. [5/31/2015 11:39:15 PM] Seraph Basarab: Listen I'm trying to work out the issue and solve this problem. Surely you're interested in doing that much.
  43. [6/1/2015 7:05:04 PM] Seraph Basarab: I'm going to ask one more time and then I'll simply address you no more as I don't wish to bother you any further. Are you willing to speak with me or not? I'll take silence as a negative answer as well.
  44. [6/1/2015 7:19:35 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: What is it that you wish to talk about?
  45. [6/1/2015 7:20:36 PM] Seraph Basarab: I hear you're not a fan of mine. Why not? The first time we spoke you were extremely friendly.
  46. [6/1/2015 7:22:03 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Not being a fan and not trusting you aren't the same thing. I'm indifferent towards you. I don't trust you.
  47. [6/1/2015 7:22:33 PM] Seraph Basarab: Well you referred to me in some fairly unkind terms. It feels like a bit more than indifference.
  48. [6/1/2015 7:23:34 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: The exact term you heard from Jan was plutonium. Because everywhere you go, shit seems to go sideways
  49. [6/1/2015 7:23:57 PM] Seraph Basarab: wow who said that? Where have I gone and what shit has gone sideways?
  50. [6/1/2015 7:25:23 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Who says that is not relevant. Your hand and your toon are not always in the same place
  51. [6/1/2015 7:25:43 PM] Seraph Basarab: Okay...? Well where have I been that caused "shit to go sideways?"
  52. [6/1/2015 7:25:50 PM] Seraph Basarab: Or where was my hand? Whatever that means
  53. [6/1/2015 7:26:08 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Dralethgate for instance.
  54. [6/1/2015 7:26:17 PM] Seraph Basarab: Right...what did I do there?
  55. [6/1/2015 7:28:06 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: You are trying to operate on a level of trust with me and then want to act like you had no involvement there. My sources say different. If you want to claim you didn't, there is no reason to give you a trail back to someone who claims you did.
  56. [6/1/2015 7:28:25 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Because it is, at this point, either false, or unprovable.
  57. [6/1/2015 7:28:25 PM] Seraph Basarab: I didn't claim anything. Im asking you what you think I did.
  58. [6/1/2015 7:28:47 PM] Seraph Basarab: Ok here's what I did.
  59. [6/1/2015 7:29:29 PM] Seraph Basarab: I had a conversation with Nonnak Severin, who was Draleth's "successor." in that discussion he said he was infiltrating Brave. I gave the logs to Lychton and Patriot to expose Nonnak, Draleth and Anna. I supported Lychton and I supported Brave against people who had bad intentions for Brave.
  60. [6/1/2015 7:29:33 PM] Seraph Basarab: Where exactly was my crime?
  61. [6/1/2015 7:30:23 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: My source has you doing more than that with the apis post situation. Has you trying to play both sides
  62. [6/1/2015 7:30:52 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Mostly in regards to mass crunching of the apis to extract information
  63. [6/1/2015 7:31:30 PM] Seraph Basarab: Why would I play both sides? I hated Anna since bombers bar and I have no love for Nonnak. I had no idea who Draleth was.
  64. [6/1/2015 7:31:38 PM] Seraph Basarab: Do you have actual evidence or proof?
  65. [6/1/2015 7:32:01 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: I have a source who has provided me consistently reliable information.
  66. [6/1/2015 7:32:28 PM] Seraph Basarab: Well I have a source that says you're actually a lizard person trying to take over the world. That doesn't have any relevance unless you provide proof.
  67. [6/1/2015 7:33:13 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: It's why I don't post everywhere why I don't trust you. My source also pegged Anna as CFC months before actual proof emerged.
  68. [6/1/2015 7:33:33 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Which, I do have my hands on for that
  69. [6/1/2015 7:34:01 PM] Seraph Basarab: Okay well how am I suppose to address evidence and proof I can't see>
  70. [6/1/2015 7:34:12 PM] Seraph Basarab: I mean what exactly is my angle in all this then?
  71. [6/1/2015 7:35:05 PM] Seraph Basarab: I mean "I have proof you did a crime...but I can't tell you what the proof is...but you're still going to jail." Literally all my whats
  72. [6/1/2015 7:35:24 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: It's a simple "I don't trust you"
  73. [6/1/2015 7:35:33 PM] Seraph Basarab: No I get that. but what is your proof for this?
  74. [6/1/2015 7:36:04 PM] Seraph Basarab: Here's the deal. you don't have anything. I know for a fact you don't have anything. So if you want to discuss your concerns and what those may actually be...cool. If you want to make things up, there's nothing we can do about that.
  75. [6/1/2015 7:36:10 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Does lack of trust require proof? My source has been consistantly good.
  76. [6/1/2015 7:36:19 PM] Seraph Basarab: you dont have any source kel
  77. [6/1/2015 7:36:25 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: K
  78. [6/1/2015 7:36:31 PM] Seraph Basarab: Proof or shh
  79. [6/1/2015 7:36:33 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: You're free to believe what you want
  80. [6/1/2015 7:36:43 PM] Seraph Basarab: You have ZERO evidence of anything
  81. [6/1/2015 7:36:45 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Why burn a source for your ammusement?
  82. [6/1/2015 7:36:55 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: It serves me no good
  83. [6/1/2015 7:36:57 PM] Seraph Basarab: You don't have to name any names.
  84. [6/1/2015 7:36:58 PM] Seraph Basarab: Just say what I did
  85. [6/1/2015 7:37:39 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Mostly in regards to mass crunching of the apis to extract information
  86. [6/1/2015 7:37:53 PM] Seraph Basarab: What does that mean?
  87. [6/1/2015 7:38:14 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: It means that, specifically, I've been brought that you crunched Brave API data for the former N3
  88. [6/1/2015 7:38:30 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: By the same guy who brought me Anna being a CFC spy
  89. [6/1/2015 7:38:51 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: At a certain point, I trust that guy. He's provided consistantly good data for years
  90. [6/1/2015 7:39:06 PM] Seraph Basarab: For n3? I'm an N3 spy now?
  91. [6/1/2015 7:39:17 PM] Seraph Basarab: How exactly would i crunch said APIs for N3?
  92. [6/1/2015 7:39:20 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Do I think you're a N3 spy? No
  93. [6/1/2015 7:39:30 PM] Seraph Basarab: Then why would I crunch APIs for N3...
  94. [6/1/2015 7:39:41 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: I think you took advantage of the trust situation created with Lychton and were able to piece together API data fopr them
  95. [6/1/2015 7:39:56 PM] Seraph Basarab: How would I get API data?
  96. [6/1/2015 7:40:05 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Dralethgate mass leaking of apis
  97. [6/1/2015 7:41:07 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Like I said earlier:
  98. [6/1/2015 7:41:09 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Because it is, at this point, either false, or unprovable.
  99. [6/1/2015 7:41:25 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Which leaves me in a situation where I either trust a source that has been consistantly good
  100. [6/1/2015 7:41:33 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Or ignore them
  101. [6/1/2015 7:44:36 PM] Seraph Basarab: Ok so the story goes that I took leaked APIs and "crunched" them and then sent them to N3? You have no evidence or proof of this, just going off what your buddy told you cause he pegged Anna as CFC (captain obvious intelligence officer you got there)
  102. [6/1/2015 7:44:53 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Draleth leaked, you crunched
  103. [6/1/2015 7:45:07 PM] Seraph Basarab: I dont even know what the fuck "crunched" is. I can barly figure out how to update my media player.
  104. [6/1/2015 7:47:23 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Meh, source could be wrong. Still would rather trust a source that has given me far more than Anna (however, since I've been open about the Anna intel, so it's a good go to for that one) than someone who has a director trying to strongarm his way through the brave requirements. When those you consider "top guys" don't even want to play by the simple rules, it makes believing bad things about you personally much easier
  105. [6/1/2015 7:48:05 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Anyway, I'm hoping into thew shower now
  106. [6/1/2015 7:48:27 PM] Seraph Basarab: Here's the thing Kelnon. I have friends and I have enemies. If enemies talk to you and say shit about me, you're going to have a bad opinion of me. I'm all open for talking things out but you're going to have to do a little bit of work here and discern the truth from the bs.
  107. [6/1/2015 7:49:12 PM] Seraph Basarab: And Im not trying to strong arm anything
  108. [6/1/2015 7:49:57 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Jan did with alt corps into brave. You would have to talk to Tackly on that one. He refused that exceptions would not be made for him
  109. [6/1/2015 7:50:39 PM] Seraph Basarab: I'm not Jan. Ok?
  110. [6/1/2015 7:51:24 PM] Seraph Basarab: I mean you're speaking incoherently here. First you claim everywhere I go, goes to shit. You can't provide any examples. Then I am accussed of crushing APIS, whatever that is, and now this.
  111. [6/1/2015 7:53:35 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: You asked why I don't trust you
  112. [6/1/2015 7:53:43 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: I gave you my reasons
  113. [6/1/2015 7:54:04 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: The company you keep, the actions you allegedly too part in
  114. [6/1/2015 7:54:09 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Took*
  115. [6/1/2015 7:54:10 PM] Seraph Basarab: Right and now I'm telling you why you're wrong. Let's put things in perspective here and you can go take your shower. You claim I was crunching APIs for N3...but you have no proof or evidence of any kind for this. You claim your source is so great because it pegged Anna as CFC months before it was known...yet which side were you on during the coup? We have evidence of that.
  116. [6/1/2015 7:55:02 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: You're threatening evidence of something I openly admit? Well damn, that puts me in such a bind. Oh wait.
  117. [6/1/2015 7:55:10 PM] Seraph Basarab: Wow nobody is threatening anything
  118. [6/1/2015 7:55:21 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Providing evidence to you burns a source.
  119. [6/1/2015 7:55:30 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: I have no reason to burn him.
  120. [6/1/2015 7:56:08 PM] Seraph Basarab: What is it with you J3B guys and threats. Is that the trigger word here? Im just stating facts. You supported the coup. You yourself said you knew anna was CFC FOR MONTHS. You were on his side during the coup. What does that make you?
  121. [6/1/2015 7:56:30 PM] Seraph Basarab: And you want to talk about trust?
  122. [6/1/2015 7:56:37 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Someone who was told during the coup that Lquid would be in charge.
  123. [6/1/2015 7:56:48 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Which is exactly what it made me
  124. [6/1/2015 7:57:11 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Lychton and I have had a long chat about why I participated. He is fine with me and my position.
  125. [6/1/2015 7:57:17 PM] Seraph Basarab: It made you someone who chose to work with someone you yourself knew was CFC "for months."
  126. [6/1/2015 7:57:36 PM] Seraph Basarab: Meanwhile my crime is SUPPOSEDLY "crunching" APIS for a coalition that hasn't existed on any relevant level for months.
  127. [6/1/2015 7:57:51 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: It existed when the claim was relevant.
  128. [6/1/2015 7:57:55 PM] Seraph Basarab: A claim you can't even verify and you have no evidence for. Do you see how your position isn't a very strong one?
  129. [6/1/2015 7:58:34 PM] Seraph Basarab: Next time you feel like doubting my loyalty, just remember you were on the coup side while I was trying to gain support for Lychton.
  130. [6/1/2015 7:58:43 PM] Seraph Basarab: Never forget that.
  131. [6/1/2015 7:58:43 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: A claim that I won't verify to you nor provide you evidence of, correct.
  132. [6/1/2015 8:00:02 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: If nothing else, this conversation has given me enough to know how I will be voting when the vote is called
  133. [6/1/2015 8:00:24 PM] Seraph Basarab: Like there was any doubt in your mind.
  134. [6/1/2015 8:01:32 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: There wasn't after the second time I talked to you. The rate at which you go to anger and lashing out when people don't agree with you is more than enough to know
  135. [6/1/2015 8:01:49 PM] Seraph Basarab: We can talk on TS if you want to hear how calm I am.
  136. [6/1/2015 8:02:27 PM] Seraph Basarab: Bottom line is you betrayed Brave and worked along side someone you yourself claimed knew was a CFC spy. And now you are accussing me of disloyalty with no proof to show.
  137. [6/1/2015 8:02:59 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: Kelnon [J3B] - Today 18:58
  138. > A claim that I won't verify to you nor provide you evidence of, correct.
  139. [6/1/2015 8:03:09 PM] Seraph Basarab: Yes so no evidence.
  140. [6/1/2015 8:03:59 PM] Kelnon [J3B]: K, you feel free to believe what you want. I'll be sure to spread the message to the other ceos that if they support the coup, you believe it was because they hate brave.
  141. [6/1/2015 8:04:43 PM] Seraph Basarab: Nobody said that. I just thought it was ironic that a traitor would accuse someone else of dishonesty with no evidence when they willingly worked along side a known CFC spy.
  142. [6/1/2015 8:05:21 PM] Seraph Basarab: And you could have spoken with me before all this weeks ago. "Hey...here's the info I got. Is this true? Here's the proof. What can you answer to that?"
  143. [6/1/2015 8:05:24 PM] Seraph Basarab: very nice calm simple
  144. [6/1/2015 8:05:56 PM] Seraph Basarab: I know for a fact I didn't do any sort of API crunching. I didn't like N3. My alliance (SYJ) was fighting a war against N3 in Aridia through 2014.
  145. [6/1/2015 8:06:33 PM] Seraph Basarab: I've had unwavering loyalty for Brave both through the first attempted coup and the one that was almost successful.
  146. [6/1/2015 8:06:40 PM] Seraph Basarab: Even before actually joining.
  147. [6/1/2015 8:06:52 PM] Seraph Basarab: And you have....? Some guy you supposedly trust telling you something you can't verify.
  148. [6/1/2015 8:07:33 PM] Seraph Basarab: I mean you're either being fooled or you're being willfully dishonest and malicious. Those are the only possibilities because I never worked for N3.
  149. [6/1/2015 8:07:59 PM] Seraph Basarab: And what does "crunching API's even do? Tell N3 where Brave stockpiled all their Atrons? Come on.
  150. [6/1/2015 8:08:25 PM] Seraph Basarab: Christ I thought you actually had a legitimate issue. This is such a joke.
  151. [6/1/2015 8:10:58 PM] Seraph Basarab: I would like to have a meeting with you and whatever other directors of the alliance would like to come so we can actually discuss this and move on.
  152. [6/1/2015 8:32:46 PM] Seraph Basarab: I would like an answer to that request as soon as possible so that we may solve this internally as quietly as possible.
  153. [6/2/2015 2:29:33 AM] Seraph Basarab: That's unfortunate.
  154. [6/2/2015 4:53:46 AM] Seraph Basarab: where did he say he was going to track someone down and kill them? Was it in that chatlog because I cannot find it.
  155. [6/2/2015 4:53:59 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: I said he could track them down
  156. [6/2/2015 4:54:06 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: Which is exactly what he said
  157. [6/2/2015 4:54:10 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: Nobody said kill
  158. [6/2/2015 4:54:14 AM] Seraph Basarab: did he say that? where?
  159. [6/2/2015 4:54:41 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: This has literally been a conversation for days
  160. [6/2/2015 4:54:53 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: I'm not doing it again
  161. [6/2/2015 4:54:54 AM] Seraph Basarab: Well I mean if you make things up, yeah it's going to be discussed.
  162. [6/2/2015 4:55:15 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: I didn't make things up, I literally took what he said as "I can track you down"
  163. [6/2/2015 4:55:27 AM] Seraph Basarab: in the logs?
  164. [6/2/2015 4:55:39 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: That's exactly how I took what he said
  165. [6/2/2015 4:55:45 AM] Seraph Basarab: OHHHH
  166. [6/2/2015 4:55:51 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: And he gloated that he knew it would be taken as a threat
  167. [6/2/2015 4:55:52 AM] Seraph Basarab: thats how you TOOK what he said...but he never said that actually
  168. [6/2/2015 4:56:09 AM] Seraph Basarab: "I know the reactions. Because I know J3B. And I know people."
  169. [6/2/2015 4:56:13 AM] Seraph Basarab: That was the correct line.
  170. [6/2/2015 4:56:37 AM] Seraph Basarab: Quite a bit different than "I can track you down"
  171. [6/2/2015 4:57:10 AM] Seraph Basarab: That's kind of messed up that you would mislead a room full of people about what was said.
  172. [6/2/2015 4:57:32 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: The line your looking for is that he's in intel of some sort and he knows that will be taken as a threat
  173. [6/2/2015 4:58:01 AM] Seraph Basarab: Yeah because people are looking to take things a certain way. And he isn't in intel. he WAS in intel.
  174. [6/2/2015 5:01:14 AM] Seraph Basarab: I mean you guys are REALLY reaching for this. And you're just shoving it through in a bad manner
  175. [6/2/2015 5:01:54 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: Coalition blacklisted for threatening a member. I was far from the only person who read those logs and took what he said as a real life threat
  176. [6/2/2015 5:02:24 AM] Seraph Basarab: Sure when you create the narrative even the most absurd things can be reasonable. Group think is a funny thing.
  177. [6/2/2015 5:02:42 AM] Seraph Basarab: And if you presented the information even half as dishonestly as you did on comms tonight, it isn't surprising.
  178. [6/2/2015 5:03:05 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: It was agreed that it was a threat by the coalition. I'm not going to treat it as something else
  179. [6/2/2015 5:03:18 AM] Seraph Basarab: Was lychton there?
  180. [6/2/2015 5:03:35 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: Yes. And he agreed it was a threat
  181. [6/2/2015 5:04:29 AM] Seraph Basarab: Its funny when I asked Iakpop if he felt it was a threat he pleaded the fifth.
  182. [6/2/2015 5:05:15 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: Because he doesn't need to answer to you. He answered to alliance leadership when he was asked if he felt threatened. You are not someone he needs to talk about the threat with, especially when you have shown that yuuou will support that person regardless
  183. [6/2/2015 5:07:22 AM] Seraph Basarab: I know Jan's intent and the likelyhood that that was an actual threat is complete nonsense. You don't like me, and you don't like me being involved with Brave so you're simply doing this to make things difficult. That's all it is, just politics.
  184. [6/2/2015 5:10:10 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: You have this mistaken notion that we answer to you and must provide everything we have to you personally. I was indifferent on you until the last few days. I definitely felt like you were involved in shady things, but indifferent. Now, I for sure have a very negative opinion of you. Jan, on the other hand, made a threat. It's like guns in school, I don't take them lightly just because someone "totally wouldn't do it for real" or whatever your excuse for him is.
  185. [6/2/2015 5:11:04 AM] Seraph Basarab: What he said wasn't even grammatically a threat. And you have been shit talking me since I joined. Don't even pretend like all of the sudden now you have a poor opinion of me.
  186. [6/2/2015 5:11:18 AM] Seraph Basarab: You're a habitual liar.
  187. [6/2/2015 5:11:45 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: Shit talking since you joined? My opinion of you steadily dropped until this point, where it bottomed out
  188. [6/2/2015 5:12:27 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: But like I said, I don't answer to you. The Lychton? I have literally read him the logs you've asked for on you.
  189. [6/2/2015 5:13:08 AM] Seraph Basarab: You've read him the logs I've asked him on me? What?
  190. [6/2/2015 5:13:38 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: You keep asking for my proof on you. I don't answer to you. I have no inclination to provide them to you.
  191. [6/2/2015 5:14:13 AM] Seraph Basarab: That was a conversation 6 hours ago
  192. [6/2/2015 5:14:19 AM] Seraph Basarab: You're just switching to other things now
  193. [6/2/2015 5:14:39 AM] Seraph Basarab: What the hell is API crunching anyway?
  194. [6/2/2015 5:14:51 AM] Seraph Basarab: Most people seemed to say that it means "going through data"
  195. [6/2/2015 5:15:02 AM] Seraph Basarab: Is that what I did?
  196. [6/2/2015 5:17:25 AM] Seraph Basarab: Just trying to get the definition since you got the reddit post deleted asking what "API crunching" is
  197. [6/2/2015 5:18:56 AM] Kelnon [J3B]: I don't answer to you, and almost every conversation you bring is aggressive. Therefore, take my silence from this point as an answer to any of your questions. I'm done with the conversation.
  198. [6/2/2015 5:19:30 AM] Seraph Basarab: This got aggressive when you were insulting people behind their backs. I tried to talk to you like a man for weeks.
  199. [6/2/2015 5:19:47 AM] Seraph Basarab: I simply asked what API crunching was.
  200. [6/2/2015 5:21:08 AM] Seraph Basarab: But yeah go ahead and hide =/
  201. [6/2/2015 5:25:34 AM] Seraph Basarab: If you want to talk straight and solve this high school gossip drama you've cooked up I'm all ears. If you want to hide behind nonsense, it's not going to resolve anything.
  202. [6/2/2015 5:26:03 AM] Seraph Basarab: Got you to quote Forest Gump but damn I can't get a straight answer on you for a legitimate question.
  203. [6/2/2015 5:26:11 AM] Seraph Basarab: #middlemanagement
  204. [6/2/2015 4:44:56 PM] Seraph Basarab: [5/31/15, 12:24:53 PM] Iakopo Nara [J3B]: I didn't take it as a threat was more of a question hence the question mark
  205.  
  206. Well that kind of makes it clear. He didn't take it as a threat....gg?
  207. [6/2/2015 9:09:58 PM] Seraph Basarab: We're having a meeting.
  208. [6/2/2015 9:10:26 PM] Seraph Basarab: We're down in Diplomatic Immunity General
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