Sibel E. Boston: prep for Police State? Raw draft TXT dump

Guys, it's been a crazy week,

with lots of misinformation,
misunderstanding, and misreporting

over the complexities of
the Boston Bombing case.

And every time a new fact emerges,

it leaves me with more questions
than answers.

So to help me gain some insight, earlier I was joined by Sibel Edmonds,

editor of Boiling Frogs Post

and founder of National Security
Whistleblowers Coalition.

I first asked her if, after a decade
of civil liberties erosions,

we should be surprised at all to the call
to suspend the suspect's rights.

And here is what she had to say:

Oh, not at all. We've been climbing up
the latters towards the police state.

In fact, we have been operating
within the...

all the police state characteristics.

If you look at it from the illegal eavesdropping;

to the illegal detentions;
to Guantánamo;

to the Patriot Act; to, now, CISPA:
I mean, it's just been going upwards.

And it's been going upwards relentlessly.

Talk about these suspects
and how the FBI alleges they found them,

which was through crowdsourced photos,

and then a video captured
from a department store.

What does it say about
the surveillance state in general

if it's not making us any safer

and it can't prevent things like this
from happening?

Uh, right: but more than that, first of all...

It shows the ineffectiveness; but by saying that, I don't want to validate

all this contradicting, conflicting,
and false information

that's been pouring from the government
and the US mainstream media.

So I have been trying
to keep the two separate,

because that's exactly what
the government wants,

and that is for the Americans
to concentrate

on the fear factor and the terror
instead...

I have been looking through my website

and through the articles and analysis
we have been putting out there

on the validity of information, period.

And that is, what we have been hearing;
what we have been reading;

what we have been watching:

both the mainstream media
and a lot of the quasi-alternative media,

in terms of the facts surrounding
this latest incident in Boston.

Well, let's talk about what the facts are
that they do allege that the have.

The FBI alleges that they have a video
showing the suspects

dropping a backback
and slowly walking away,

yet we've been shielded
from seeing the video

that's supposedly the unequivocal link
proving their guilt.

I mean, why do you think this is?

Well, as I emphasized before,
I keep emphasizng three words;

and that is: conflicting, contradicting,
and also false information.

Because if you start putting
all the information

that is pouring in right now,
you will see that.

For example, later FBI came out
and they said that, OK,

they got this information
from the foreign government...

-- now we know that foreign nation
was Russia --

...in mid- to late-2011.

Then we look at the information
coming out

from people who knew the suspects,

and they're talkiung about three
to five years, period.

So that doesn't add up in terms of FBI

claiming that these people were placed
on their radar

once they got the tip -- intelligence tip -- from the Russian government.

So, that is false.
And if it is false, why is it false?

Also, I have been reading carefully,

and I know she has
some problems with language,

but the suspect's mother is talking about
this ongoing relationship for 3-5 years,

and she's describing
some of the conversations.

For example, on one hand,
the government people telling the brothers

that they know that they are decent,
they are good people,

and then turning around and saying,

"But we are watching you,
and you can be dangerous."

A lot of...

that sounds just like a classic
intelligence community

recruitment approach
which you would see.

It's the same thing with the confession.

You know how they get two suspects,
they separate them,

and they go to one, and they want one
to basically testify against another?

They say, "Well, what you committed,
we know you didn't mean that,

and on the other hand you can be
facing 30 years in jail."

This is how they get people,
suspects, to talk;

and is exercised by
the police departments as well.

So that, itself, is very,
very interesting.

And the other thing
that nobody's talking about

is whether the previous relationship
between the so-called suspects

and the government -- US government --
was it really the FBI?

Because from what I'm gathering
from the people I speak with...

-- and these are retired veteran
FBI analysts and agents --

it is not within their MO

and it sounds more like
the agency in question

actually was the CIA, because CIA has been
carrying out operations in that region,

in Russia, Caucasus...
-- also Central Asia --

...but Dagestan area and Chechnya.

And I want to get into that specifically,

which is what you just wrote about
on Boiling Frogs Post,

but I also wanted to talk about
the reaction.

And of course, what you're saying:

it is... a lot of questions remain
about this case.

And I just have to see
so many people bloodlusty,

trying to demand that
these people's rights are taken away.

I mean, what happened
o "innocent until proven guilty?"

I mean, let's see the proof!

We're the ones who sponsored
this spectacle:

this medis spectacle
and this military spectacle.

Don't we have to right to see the evidence
that they allege they have?

But let's talk about
the military shutdown of Boston.

I mean, in the hunt
for these two suspects,

they shut down the city,
told people not to leave their homes,

employed thousands of police
as well as paramilitary troops

with armored tanks in the streets.

And on top of that, Israeli police
were shipped in

to, even, help with the investigation.

Sibel, was all of this merited
to find one man?

Well, as we all know...
-- your viewers, you yourself --

...we know that it didn't.

This actually provided the oportunity,
or self-created opportunity,

for the government to test
their martial law scenarios,

which they have been, again,
building towards.

And this is what we have been doing
as a government.

Since 9/11, this is what, exactly,
we have been doing.

We have been putting in place everything
to get to that state. And unfortunately,

with the reaction we got
from the majority in Boston:

people readily complying,
people gripped by fear factor saying,

"Yes: come and search our house
without any warrants,"

or, "Lock down our city,"
or, "shut down our stores,"

it gets really scary seeing that, well,
I guess the government has already proved

that the Americans and the country
is ready for the next stage.

And for me, that is the scariest aspect

of the civil liberties and the freedom
that we used to have,

and the state of those freedoms:

the state of those freedoms today,
and where the next stage is...

-- which, I believe, it has
already approached.

Yeah: the reaction of this: so complacent

with this military-style crackdown
and shutdown of a city.

I mean, really shows the establishment
so excited about justifying

their militarization of local police
forces over the last decade,

perpetuating these wars for profit,

saying, "Look: terrorism's a real threat."

And this is... yeah, like you said:
I mean, it's almost like practice

for what's gonna happen
when a bigger, real event...

-- or, I'm not saying
that this isn't real --

but, what's gonna happen when
something bigger happens on our soil?

And that's really something
that we should be questioning.

Let's move on to your article
that your wrote.

The interesting twist, of course, is that
these two brothers are Chechen.

It kind of doesn't fit into that whole
narrative that we've been hearing.

But, as you just outlined,

US operations have been grooming
terrorists for a while in that region.

I mean, outline what the US has been doing

to foster this kind of extremism
in Chechnya, and why.

I can tell you from first-hand experience and information,

because a lot of people...
-- those people who know me --

...most of those people know
that I have been gagged,

and the State Secrets Privilege has been
invoked in my case multiple times.

The biggest reason
for the State Secrets Privilege

had to do with the operations,
and investigations,

and documents that I became aware of
that covered the time period 1996-2002...

-- this is about February, 2002 --

that dealt with US covert operations
in that region:

Central Asia and Caucasus.

Both US CIA, but also with NATO
and through proxy nations:

one of them, our partner
-- NATO partner -- Turkey.

And this has been in effect
since the fall of the Soviet Union.

But we -- the American government --
through our military...

-- CIA operations, military operations --

we have been creating, arming, training,
directing various factions

within the region: Central Asia
and Caucasus.

And that includes the area of
Chechnya and Dagestan.

A lot of weapons that gets
to be shipped to Turkey,

it is shipped there with the intention...

they call it "false end-user certificate."

The recipient may appear "Turkey,"
but actually the weapons are smuggled

and taken to the rebels in Chechnya,

other Islamic factions within Central Asia
-- in Kyrgyzstan, in Tajikistan --

and again, we have been doing this
since the 1990s.

I know that the Russian government
is fully aware of this.

In fact, if you look at the news from Russia...

-- even in Turkey, even some of the
European countries,

but we never get to see those here
within the US mainstream media --

talking about when the Russian operations
capture or kill some of these radicals,

or the rebels, or whatever
you want to call it:

up until recently, our nation called them
the "freedom fighters,"

as we did with the mujahideens
in Afghanistan,

with the Chechens and those rebels.

They recovered foreign passports,

and some of these people are part
of the military in Turkey.

So, this information has been out,

but it has been consistent blackout
on this information in the United States,

with the US mainstream media.

Up until recently...
-- and they are still there --

...there there is a Chechen lobby group.

It's called the American-Chechen...
American Friends...

that was established by...

if you look at the names of the people
who own this lobby and operate this lobby,

you're looking at James Woolsey from... the former CIA director;

you are looking at people like
Bruce Jackson,

former military intelligence officer

and then, later, the President
of US Committee on NATO.

You're looking at Frank Gaffney;

you're looking at Richard Perle...
-- the infamous Richard Perle --

...people like Michael Ledeen,

You look at... it's not even a nation, OK?

This is part of Russia;
this is Russian territory,

and they establish this large,
flashy lobby group for Chechnya.

I mean, people should stop and say,
why the former Director of the CIA,

and Ledeen... what is this with Chechnya?

Well, this is, again, part of what we have
been doing, our government has been doing,

and has intentions of doing
even more in that region.

And now, lo and behold,
with the mainstream media,

out of the blue we start...

the American public gets to hear
the words "Chechnya" and "the Caucasus,"

and now the hot terror cells being there:

it's is just amazing
to witness that unfold

when we have known about this
for nearly 20 years.

It seems like that's
the trend, Sibel (laughs)

And you know, one government's terrorist
is another government's freedom fighters

when they know how to use them
to their political advantage.

Thank you so much for coming out and
breaking down some of the rhetoric,

and just some of the background
of this really complex issue.

Sibel Edmonds, thanks so much.

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