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Lesta Nediam LNC2018-03-30 1135 +Nathan Flasher Plant Based Nihilist
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+Nathan Flasher Plant Based Nihilist __ Two serious questions: 1) Is it possible to be healthy without eating a vegan diet? 2) Why doesn't _every_ leading expert in heart disease promote a whole foods vegan diet? After all, there are _zero_ leading experts in heart disease who promote cigarette smoking - not even occasionally. So why isn't it equally unanimous with regard to vegan diets in 2018?


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2018-03-30 1145

+Nathan __ Some meat can be beneficial to the human body whereas no cigarettes are ever beneficial to the human body. Do not sacrifice facts and reality in order to propagandise an otherwise worthwhile cause. People must come to veganism for the right reasons and not ever for the wrong reasons.


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2018-03-30 1150

+Nathan __ Let me word that more precisely: All cigarette smoking causes harm to the body whereas not all meat consumption causes harm to the body.


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2018-03-30 1315

+Nathan __ That may be so but it isn't the issue being discussed. The issue is the notion that consuming animal meat is inherently *bad* for humans (like smoking cigarettes are inherently bad for humans). Certainly, eating animal meat is necessarily bad for the unfortunate animals destined for consumption. But, it is not _necessarily_ bad for the people who are destined to consume them. If we are to be precise - and we need to be precise - then we are not being completely honest if we claim that eating animals is unhealthy.

If we want to solve the problem that veganism draws attention to, then we need to stop misrepresenting reality. Telling lies, half-truths, and misrepresenting reality for the "greater good" is not acceptable.

It is possible to have an unhealthy animal-inclusive diet just as it is possible to have an unhealthy animal-exclusive diet (the very reason for the "Blaire White" video). And, just as it is possible to have healthy animal-exclusive diet it is possible to have a healthy animal-inclusive diet. But, of course, an animal-inclusive diet (even where animal meat is eaten once a week) unavoidably requires a living hell on Earth for animals because there is no such thing as "animal friendly farming" and there can never be such a thing. That is a euphemism we should work to break down but we do not need to lie, tell half-truths, or misrepresent reality to do it.

We cannot reasonably or realistically expect people to stop consuming animal meat on the grounds of health - though nor do we have to. If we want a world where Earth is not a living hell for animals (that is a world I want - don't you?), then we need to focus on real and practical solutions to the problem. If you go back and take the time to read my longer message to you on our other thread you will know what that solution is. Just read what I wrote without the assumption I am your "enemy".

By all means apply your thinking skills to debate what I have proposed. I welcome it. There is a role for "ethical activism" (explaining why it is wrong to needlessly farm and consume animals), but when it comes to the overall solution it is not nearly as essential as people like "Ask Yourself" make out (most people will _never_ think twice about where the food on their plate comes from).


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2018-03-30 1320

+Hurricane Rosey __ If you are talking to "Chris Ashford", sure. If you are talking to me, then you are out of line.


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2018-03-30 1400

+Hurricane Rosey __ Cheers for the clarification and I apologise for having asked as I did!


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