a polite discussion

[09:25 PM]  [V]sheep Aquanim : should I respond to you in the thread about the installer bug... ? or is it just gratuitous provocation because you have no technical point to add to the subject... and in the end, its so painful to agree with my technical points that you prefer to focus on the tone?
[09:26 PM]  Anarchid you shouldn't take that bait
[09:27 PM]  Anarchid but fwiw i agree that aquanim is jumping on cached thoughts
[09:27 PM]  Anarchid (probably, anyway)

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[11:01 PM]  Aquanim @[V]sheep I indeed have no technical points to add to the subject, pretty sure I said as much
[11:01 PM]  Aquanim I just object to your attitude
[11:02 PM]  Aquanim if you want something fixed, sarcasm and mockery isn't the way to see it get done
[11:03 PM]  Aquanim which is pretty much what I told you last time
[11:04 PM]  Aquanim I don't even have an opinion about the technical issue
[11:05 PM]  Orfelius [15:04]  Aquanim if you want something fixed, sarcasm and mockery isn't the way to see it get done@ hasnt this worked before?
[11:05 PM]  Aquanim pretty sure it didn't get him everything he wanted
[11:06 PM]  Aquanim and it certainly didn't make him many friends
[11:06 PM]  Anarchid well that specific post had a significantly atypical sarcasm/tech ratio and ellipsis/text ratio
[11:07 PM]  Aquanim in what way?
[11:07 PM]  Aquanim atypically high?
[11:07 PM]  Anarchid atypically low
[11:07 PM]  Anarchid only 6 ellipses or so for a4 of text
[11:07 PM]  Anarchid also it was very precise and detailed on tech parts and i couldn't find anything that could be interpreted as attacks on people rather than code analysis
[11:07 PM]  Aquanim all of the "someones" is what you're looking for
[11:07 PM]  Aquanim he's gotten more subtle about it, I'll give him that
[11:08 PM]  Anarchid yes, but then you jump interpreting what totals out as useful feedback as another dramawhore, simply based on inertia
[11:08 PM]  Anarchid surely, sheep has tanked his image sufficiently for that to happen, but that's still not a valid response if you want to avoid tanking your own image too
[11:09 PM]  Aquanim yeah well
[11:10 PM]  Aquanim perhaps your image is more realistic now
[11:11 PM]  Orfelius its just linguistics
[11:11 PM]  Aquanim what is?
[11:12 PM]  Aquanim and what would that even mean?
[11:20 PM]  [V]sheep Aquanim : see... if instead of focusing on petty stuff, you go to the thread and ask "what are the plans for steam release" with the intent to know "for how long will this bug affect new players"... and if schedule isn't clear, push for a fix for this installer problem... in order not to risk losing more players
[11:21 PM]  [V]sheep or you'd like us to fight?
[11:21 PM]  Aquanim ask yourself this
[11:22 PM]  Aquanim are you doing this because you want to see zerok be successful, or are you doing it because you want to prove you're right
[11:22 PM]  [V]sheep Aquanim : are you doing this to make friends ?
[11:22 PM]  Aquanim doing what?
[11:22 PM]  Aquanim arguing with you?
[11:22 PM]  Aquanim probably not
[11:23 PM]  Aquanim I think my odds of convincing you to alter your behavior are low but worth a shot
[11:23 PM]  Aquanim the point is this
[11:23 PM]  Aquanim expressing anger at licho or whoever in your posts is completely counterproductive to the purpose of improving the game
[11:23 PM]  Aquanim even if he's wrong
[11:24 PM]  Anarchid i think that post was more "enabling fix by finding cause" than "expressing anger"
[11:24 PM]  Aquanim perhaps, but the latter part was there in some degree
[11:24 PM]  Anarchid idk how it was intended, but effectively it is
[11:24 PM]  Aquanim and it should not be there at all
[11:25 PM]  Anarchid woudln't it be nice if people always said what they meant and did that unambiguously, clearly, and succinctly
[11:26 PM]  Aquanim I imagine the point you're trying to make is that it is an unattainable goal
[11:27 PM]  Aquanim being unattainable to achieve a perfect result does not mean that we shouldn't even try
[11:27 PM]  Orfelius [V]sheep are you a some kind of quality control guy irl?
[11:27 PM]  Orfelius IT quality control
[11:27 PM]  Anarchid sure, i meant rather that i share your sentiment with caveat that you can't expect people to magically do it, and in order for them to even be slightly better you have to manipulate them
[11:28 PM]  Anarchid actually people never understand you anyway, so you shuold always manipulate people anyway, that's what evolution optimized us for too
[11:28 PM]  Anarchid except with less "anyway"
[11:29 PM]  Anarchid tldr you also need a carrot!
[11:30 PM]  Aquanim okay the tl;dr makes a lot more sense
[11:30 PM]  Aquanim I imagine someone else can find a carrot
[11:34 PM]  Aquanim to clarify:
[11:34 PM]  Aquanim I am not offended by disagreement with developers or anyone else with regard to any technical or design issue
[11:36 PM]  Aquanim I am offended by someone setting out to score "points" against or simply to annoy people who put in a fair bit of work for my amusement
[11:37 PM]  Aquanim keep comments about bugs/issues/whatever constructive, don't talk about the people who made the errors but rather talk about the errors themselves, and there will be no problem
[11:37 PM]  [V]sheep Aquanim : fair point...
[11:37 PM]  [V]sheep so just think twice... and try go gather more information