DREDD discussing HK killing their Caps in their C6 ISK hole

December 7, 2016

Mr Glaser [8:38 AM]
@winter sorry for loss, however did you notice that the Dread Pilot had never been used in a kill...ever. wow, that means they have cap pilots sitting around to use when they feel like it!

Random Guy [8:38 AM]
That means that they made that toon specifically to log off in Freya

Agonist X [10:24]
Should bait the freya dread.
How stupid could this guy be coming back in another nid to bash the same poco
Is their thought
Little do they know our lady has a team behind er
Kinda like the rev bait the other day

Winter [10:26]
It's being discussed heavily at the moment

Agonist X [10:26 AM]
I'd commit to logging off in a t3c or a hic there for a few days
Can caps be brought into freya?
Or just built there?

Winter [10:28 AM]
They can be brought in, but only through dynamic ls and ns connections

Agonist X [10:29 AM]
Ok, let me know what you guys need. I have a t2 cap killing nag somewhere
Down to play any role in this vengeance

Mr Glaser [11:13 AM]
@random that is scary, but very good point. That means HK believe that it's in their best Operational Plans to keep Alliance C6 ...tooned for future kills or even worse an eventual  eviction plan. What numbers have they fielded on tgat hole in the past engagements with us? Just Cap Hit Squads or larger attention to their corp mates?

Jesse, The One and Only [11:14 AM]
Up to 12
but those 12 aren't camping

Random Guy [11:14 AM]
They fielded 74 dreads in the eviction of dropbears
last year

Mr Glaser [11:15 AM]
I mean I know they place everyone else on their, Kill List, but do they have a hunger for us, specific?

Mr Glaser [11:16 AM]
That is disconcerting for sure.

Agonist X [11:16 AM]
Also, I remember drop bear eviction. Wasn't this in Brave days?

Jesse, The One and Only [11:16 AM]
@random he meant in freya

Winter [11:16 AM]
Haha, yeah

Jesse, The One and Only [11:16 AM]
against us
and the answer is 12

Mr Glaser [11:17 AM]
Yep, I understood in both comments...if they got posed or focused on us......

Jesse, The One and Only [11:17 AM]
1 of the 12 has been on no other kill after the Nag/Nid loss

Random Guy [11:17 AM]
Which is very scary

Mr Glaser [11:18 AM]
I respect them enough to not want to be on their.....list if you will.

Jesse, The One and Only [11:18 AM]
4 of last nights pilots were on no other kills in the past week

Mr Glaser [11:19 AM]
I would fight to death with all assets but just saying.

Jesse, The One and Only [11:19 AM]
So at least 4 are camping in there, possibly 5. Who knows how many in the past 12 hours showed up.

Mr Glaser [11:20 AM]
Ok so they know it's our line of ISK credit if they wanted to stop our income chain.

Jesse, The One and Only [11:20 AM]
There are a lot of points left to speculation. And because of that, it's hard to say what the right call is.

Mr Glaser [11:20 AM]
That makes WH sense

Jesse, The One and Only [11:21 AM]
I personally think they are just farming the KMs. But that is still a problem.

[11:22]
But I know that at least 2 of last nights ships were scanned in.

Mr Glaser [11:22 AM]
Yep, I'm still figuring out or trying at least to the aid that was rendered from their leadership related to Dead Star....from their POV.

Jesse, The One and Only [11:23 AM]
I don't think it's related.

Mr Glaser [11:23 AM]
Then connecting US to tgat sequence of events.

[11:24]
See my law enforcement background says....connect it..my instincts are going off like mad

Winter [11:24 AM]
Krono just found a wormhole with HK citadels

Mr Glaser [11:25 AM]
Fort or astras?
Probably doesn't matter....lol

Winter [11:26 AM]
Correction, they are Hole Control. lol

Creed Moor [11:28 AM]
Well, if they are going to take more of an interest in us, than we should start on our intel prep of the battlefield so we know how they operate and what their pressure points would be since head to head we would have a lot of difficulties with them.

Mr Glaser [11:28 AM]
@jesse oh and I'm not saying we are something to WH space, but HK designated us...as a larger enity then we actually are. That bothers me most moving forward with HK  counter strategies. :anguished:

Degerzith [11:52 AM]
Do we want to fight them?

Gladrian Kildenmor [12:10 PM]
Why not?

Agonist X [12:13 PM]
I wouldn't want to force the fight really, we're not all really badass spartans
I'd have to take a vacation for a proper multi day battle lol

Draconus Crepari [12:14 PM]
we have an issue with Freya?

Agonist X [12:14 PM]
Well winter lost a nid last night
But their dread pilot involved had no prior kills which means he was created for that hole
And others had no weekly activity until yesterday, cloaked sabres and such
So kinda spooky

Draconus Crepari [12:16 PM]
were the players on both kills?
the ones on the 25th and yesterday

Agonist X [12:17 PM]
Not sure, I haven't been researching just summarizing what I've read in slack up to now. I'm sure one of our zkill warriors can check.

Draconus Crepari [12:17 PM]
to me it could just mean the dread pilot finished training

Agonist X [12:25 PM]
@draconuscrepari no other kills at all, to be ready with a dread there seems interesting to me. But maybe it's just tinfoil going around. I'm not a wormhole pro by any means.

spacegump [12:27 PM]
Basically the pattern so far has been anchored around POCO bashing in Freya. They hit targets of opertunity. I think the POCO timers allow them to coordinate their attacks. On our end we have not been all hands for the POCOs so they see that and know it's a kill.  Regardless, we can't continue to have Freya operated how it is now with that sort of threat in the hole.

spacegump [12:27 PM]
They have cloaked sabers that bubble the shit out of you
Then they bring something else in.

Madtoaster Prime [12:28 PM]
WUT

spacegump [12:29 PM]
The times I have seen them in there I have not seen probes or anything and they tried to jump me on a gas site then I died at the hole in a frigate a couple of times.
They scan down the hole and BM it and and sit cloaked.

Den Peng [12:48 PM]
Should all be logged off in the system before someone bashes the poco then pounce

Degerzith [12:48 PM]
would be pretty cool to set a trap.

Agonist X [1:42 PM]
I have a friendly citadel anchored near amarr (maybe 5 jumps) that hits 90% of provi if we ever wanna blops, could even get some additional blops pilots staged there. Thinking of using that when I start blops fleets.

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Madmax5334 [3:31 PM]
Personally, it would be in our best interests to not push much on HK.  They can muster more forces than we can at this time.  Minor fights with them are acceptable, but if they really wanted us gone, I don't think they'd have an issue doing it.

Agonist X [3:32 PM]
We're a sov alliance now anyway mwahahaha

Madmax5334 [3:32 PM]
Meh.  A hole in the middle of nowhere until someone wants it.

Agonist X [3:33 PM]
I'm being sarcastic
I feel like avenging a cap and killing their spies in one of our home holes is reasonable and classified as defense, not pushing on them. Pushing would be to go and try to RF all the shit in their system while they're asleep

spacegump [3:44 PM]
Personally if you see them and fight and gf that shit they will gf back and fuck off. But realistically, they havent done anything crazy. They have a whole camped where people go and Yolo caps. And they didn't even drop on our pve fleet. (edited)
So pushing them is an escalation we don't want. Now trying to bait them in Freya seems like a perfectly reasonable thing but it will also draw more attention to a hole we don't need attention in.
So the moral of the story is don't hit their shit and don't draw shit to us

Jesse, The One and Only [3:45 PM]
Once again. @spacegump nailed it.

Kronovestan [3:48 PM]
@spacegump: so we're just going to hide from them? Oh that's Dredd's motto I forgot.

Jesse, The One and Only [3:54 PM]
We very rarely run and hide. Haha

Rhinoscerous Terona [4:54 PM]
@krono when have we ever run and hid, lol? Even in this situation nobody said anything about running away, just that it's not a good idea to poke at them. If they drop on us again then obviously we'll try to fight them as best we can, just like we always do, but we shouldn't go out of our way to attack their shit or piss them off to get "revenge" for a perfectly fair kill.

Rhinoscerous Terona [5:00 PM]
In fact, in many cases we've fought to the very last man even when we could (and probably should) have run and hid.

spacegump [6:47 PM]
@krono we have some retarded level of investment in that hole and incurring that wrath means we lose it