<ectospasm> So... should I pour a glass of scotch, or just go to bed?
<ectospasm> I've been up since 0353
<tincan> litterally or figuratively?
<Anastasius> Scotch. It's Friday.
<ectospasm> True enough
<ectospasm> But I can't remember what I have to do tomorrow
<Anastasius> kevinf311-lap agrees.
<kevinf311-lap> yep
<ectospasm> I dunno if I'm supposed to distribute coats to the homeless
<tincan> blarg
<tincan> i was scrolled up
<Anastasius> ectospasm: Is it still stupidly cold down there?
<ectospasm> 40°F, stupidly cold for a Deep South Alabama boy.
<Anastasius> That's bad enough.
<ectospasm> The high tomorrow is supposed to be in the 70s though.  Who knows?
<kitten> looky https://www.dropbox.com/s/yie1c6pf1yxfoan/2014-11-21%2022.32.18.jpg?dl=0
<Anastasius> It finally got above freezing here the other day, after a week without that.
<ectospasm> I do know it was 34F this morning
<ectospasm> It's 32F where my girlfriend lives.
<kitten> https://www.dropbox.com/s/md2eyj4cq233qm9/2014-11-21%2022.44.54.jpg?dl=0
<kitten> i almost finished it!!
<ectospasm> finished what?
* ectospasm can't be bothered to clickity click
<kitten> ectospasm: its a quilt top
<Anastasius> kitten: Very nice.
<ectospasm> I think Anastasius is onto something:  scotch it is!
<kitten> i just need to cut off the ends of the rows and stitch them on the other side
<oeuvre> hi kids
<oeuvre> 10F here :D
<orbit> 71.6F here
<orbit> cold rainy day. at least the thunderstorms have stopped.
<witeshark> hey oeuvre o/
<Anastasius> orbit: That's not bad for summer!
<oeuvre> how goes]
<witeshark> good, you?
<Anastasius> Or I guess it's not quite summer yet.
<ectospasm> "Scotch, scotch, scotch... I love scotch...."  -- Ron Burgundy
<orbit> another coupla weeks till summer starts.
<ectospasm> Heh, at my old job the Australian customers were some of the most ornery.
<ectospasm> I dunno if I've worked with any customers in Australia... We do have a lot of Australia ITFS
<ectospasm> Don't tell me you live in New Zealand, orbit?
<orbit> no?
<ectospasm> No you don't live in New Zealand, or no you won't tell me you do?
<Anastasius> She's 'stralian, mate.
<m00se> http://i.imgur.com/m698YsZ.gif
<ectospasm> See?  That's what meant!
<Anastasius> m00se: lol
<Anastasius> !kitten
<ubnotu> kitten has a kitty and isn't afraid to use it
<ectospasm> eggsactly
<m00se> lame
<m00se> fix it
<Anastasius> !-kitten
<ubnotu> kitten has no aliases - added by tcoppi on 2013-02-14 12:33:54
<Anastasius> !no, kitten is <reply>kitten has a kitty and isn't afraid to use it. http://i.imgur.com/m698YsZ.gif
<ubnotu> I'll remember that Anastasius
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<ectospasm> @np
<ubnotu> ectospasm: ectospasm is listening to "I Got You Babe" by Sonny & Cher [Greatest Hits]
<kitten> well thats adorable
<Anastasius> m00se: Did you happen to see that temporary Blacklist replacement series, whatever it is?
<ectospasm> "When I'm sad, you're a clown..."  -- Cher... You got that right, Cher.
<orbit> ahhh the last of Sunshine, so great.
<m00se> the president one?
<m00se> I think I caught it yea
<Anastasius> m00se: Yeah, Katherine Heigl? I didn't see it. Was wondering if it was worth the effort.
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<m00se> it was meh
<Anastasius> Hmm, figured.
<m00se> wimmin take charge bullshit
<Anastasius> I can't believe they blew Hawkeye's head off! That was cool.
<m00se> first role I think I've ever actually seen him do that I liked
<m00se> he's usually so.....irritating
<Anastasius> Hehe.
<m00se> something goodie-two-shoes about him that rubs me the wrong way
<Anastasius> Nod. The later years of M*A*S*H agree.
<m00se> I couldn't watch that show
<ectospasm> Alan Alda?
<Anastasius> mmhmm.
<ectospasm> OK
<spreadsheet> mash is great
<m00se> there was nothing comedic about it to me
<ectospasm> I thought you were talking about the Avengers character Hawkeye for a second
<spreadsheet> it was a great show
<m00se> ok
<Anastasius> Anyway, I still only watch The Blacklist for Spader. He's excellent.
<orbit> <3 Spader <3
<spreadsheet> it was like, well, you hated seinfeld and mash when you were a kid b/c you didn't get it
<spreadsheet> and then they become hilarious
<Anastasius> I still don't get Seinfeld. :(
<m00se> that might be true in your case
<spreadsheet> but you're old
<Anastasius> I mean I get it, it just doesn't amuse me.
<spreadsheet> oh
<ectospasm> meh, I was an adult when Seinfeld was on.  The only redeeming qualities of that show were Kramer and George
<m00se> seinfield is hit or miss
<orbit> Seinfeld really isnt that funny
<m00se> depends on who they feature in the episode
<spreadsheet> my universe has been destroyed
<m00se> kramer is hilarious to me
<spreadsheet> I don't know whether it was funny
<spreadsheet> but more like, entertaining
<spreadsheet> it's hard to describe
<spreadsheet> it wasn't dying of laughter funny
<spreadsheet> it was entertaining, like old simpsons
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<Anastasius> Occasionally I'll catch a rerun and I'll chuckle. I just didn't get the hype.
<m00se> none of those sitcoms are actually funny
<spreadsheet> what is your definiton of funny then
<witeshark> Anastasius, Seinfeld could never really hold my attention either; but all else by Larry David is excellent
<witeshark> IMO
<Anastasius> What is an actual funny sitcom?
<ectospasm> Get this, a girl at work claimed she needed a dictionary and asked me to use smaller words when talking (or jabbering) with her.  I wanted to slap her.
<m00se> bemusing occasionally but mostly after-work-alcoholic-recliner crap
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<Anastasius> witeshark: I can probably go along with that.
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<witeshark> Anastasius, Curb Your Enthusiasm
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<tincan> oeuvre: are ya there?
<orbit> and ... sunshine.
<Anastasius> orbit: :D
<Anastasius> Was it still good?
<orbit> oh yes.
<Anastasius> I probably need to rewatch that, it's been a few years now.
<m00se> what's the one with charlie sheen as the psychologist
<m00se> that one's marginally funny sometimes
<Anastasius> Anger Management.
<m00se> yea
<Anastasius> I've only seen maybe four or five eps of that one.
<Anastasius> Seems okay, I just never know when it's on.
<m00se> they seem to like to schedule it at 4 am
<ectospasm> Hmmm, I don't watch teevee shows anymore... I've only got hipster cable, and the only service I subscribe to is Amazon Prime
<m00se> it's on at 2:30am here
<Anastasius> D:
<m00se> I don't have cable
<m00se> fuck that shit
<m00se> I get 24 channels OTA and internet
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<ectospasm> I don't have any borrowed logins for any of the streaming services, so I really don't have much hipster cable.
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<m00se> you can put spanish moss posters up in your living room in oregon
<Anastasius> I have a feeling that might be a bit too humid and rural for my taste. :)
<oeuvre> tincan: hi
<m00se> humid - the place smells like one huge septic tank
<ectospasm> I saw a movie once set in Oregon.  I kinda liked the setting, so maybe you're onto something, m00se
<Anastasius> Western Oregon is quite nice.
<m00se> I lived there for 15 years - I can attest
<Anastasius> Near a coast. I like the coast.
<ectospasm> Yeah, coast is key
<oeuvre> the IT people at my mom's work are morons. gave her an i7 with 8GB RAM, but put... 7 32 bit on it
<ectospasm> d'oh
<orbit> lol
<m00se> oeuvre why don't you go to work for them
<m00se> set them straight
<witeshark> in another life, ima be a shark *what a shock*
<witeshark> *clink*
<ectospasm> I dunno, working for morons doesn't sound like a good plan, they will despise you
<orbit> given windows 7 support ends in another 2 months - why would they be installing that anyway
<m00se> HPPA probably
<ectospasm> Win7 support ends that soon?
<oeuvre> m00se: i should
<ectospasm> seems awfully fast
<oeuvre> orbit: lol uwt
<m00se> win7 support doesn't end in 2 months
<oeuvre> ^
<witeshark> well there
<orbit> Microsoft is warning customers that the end is soon coming for Windows 7 in much the same way it came for Windows XP earlier this year. Microsoft will end free mainstream support for Windows 7 on January 13, 2015.
<m00se> they just stopped selling it 2 weeks ago
<orbit> ahuh?
<witeshark> well there's a 64 bit 7, innit?
<oeuvre> end of *maintstream* support
<m00se> yea we'll see
<orbit> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/lifecycle
<ubnotu> Title: Windows lifecycle fact sheet - Windows Help (at windows.microsoft.com)
<oeuvre> end of support is... 2020
<m00se> just like they stopped xp support 15 times after their initial announcement
<orbit> "End of support refers to the date when Microsoft no longer provides automatic fixes, updates, or online technical assistance"
<witeshark> hehehehe
<oeuvre> it'll still be updated until 2020 so
<ectospasm> ...and one of their major cash cows continues to die
<orbit> directly contradicts what their own website says
<m00se> that's never happened before
<oeuvre> considering XP was supported 2001-2014... 7 will be 2009-2020
<m00se> shocking
<oeuvre> so, 11+ years for one OS is quite a long time.
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<witeshark> oeuvre, win95 FTW
<orbit> if you have a business and you're not already planning to get out of win7, then you're doing it wrong.
<witeshark> and NO NOT win98 SE
<ectospasm> I cut my teeth on DOS 3.x
<oeuvre> ye
<Anastasius> I cut my teeth on Milk Bones.
<ectospasm> or was it 5.x?  I honestly can't remember
<oeuvre> orbit: LOOOOOOOOOL
<ectospasm> Anastasius: Milk Bones can be quite tasty!
<oeuvre> so many businesses are still on XP
<oeuvre> forget about 7 :P
<m00se> and hospitals
<ectospasm> Talk to my Indian customers running eyeBeam
<oeuvre> ^
<orbit> i dont know any businesses on xp, but okay
<oeuvre> i know a bunch, so
<oeuvre> hospitals like m00se said, educational institutions, stores...
<orbit> more fool them, i guess
<oeuvre> ATMs
<ectospasm> I know of at least ONE business that completed their migration *TO* XP only a year or two ago!
<oeuvre> though xp embedded is supported until 2019
<Anastasius> Gotta agree with that, XP probably still has dominance in the business world.
<oeuvre> anyways
<orbit> Ana: maybe in shitty businesses with no IT
<ectospasm> I think they saw the writing on the wall, and they planned another migration to Win7
<tincan> oeuvre: check PMs
<oeuvre> i am off to ebd for it has been a long busy week
<oeuvre> but first i should see tincan's pm
<ectospasm> That doesn't mean you can stop drinking, oeuvre
<oeuvre> i don't drink alcohol
<ectospasm> *clink*
<tincan> oeuvre: its worth it :)
<Anastasius> ectospasm: I'm with you. *clink*
<orbit> if you're not renewing your hardware every 3 years, and constantly patching and re-evalutating your software, you're doing yourself a disservice.  Microsoft has had the writing on the wall about their changing policies for a long time.  businesses either need to come to terms with that or move to another OS.
<witeshark> oeuvre, night then
<ectospasm> Get a Mac, brah!
<Psyxerces> Assuming you have the cashflow to handle a fleet rolloever every three years.
<witeshark> !mac
<ubnotu> brah, get a mac --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ZnwvyAk8k
<Anastasius> !bra
<ubnotu> Hey Mac, get a bra
<witeshark> hahahahahaha
<oeuvre> realistically, orbit many businesses cba'd to update their hardware and software every 2-3 years. the money they'd spend on that is not condusive t
<oeuvre> also dis rugrats LOL
<oeuvre> tincan: childhood ruined
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<orbit> Psyxerces: if that's not in your business planning, and budgets, then your business isnt run properly.
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<witeshark> win95
<oeuvre> who is orbit to tell me how to run my business
<orbit> Psyxerces: sadly, many businesses dont treat IT or their own hardware/software properly.
<witeshark> come one say it
<Psyxerces> Its education - not business, and its competing calls on finance.
<oeuvre> if it were up to me, i would buy orbit's business and force everyone to use Windows 95.
<witeshark> ^
<orbit> i dont have a business.
<witeshark> there ya go
<witeshark> orbit, shhhhhhh
<oeuvre> well, that's none of my business if you got a business or not
<oeuvre> :D
<witeshark> that's not the point
<Psyxerces> I have several computers on win8.1, but until the majority fo the fleet supports 8.1, with 4-5 yo hardware there is no point in upgrading the 10% that do support it and getting a mixmatched fleet
<orbit> geezus christ, 4-5 year hardware. when you can write it off with tax anyway.
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<orbit> do.not.understand.
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<tincan> also found this oeuvre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfX4c6Z4uwE     1 mil views :P
<ubnotu> Title: The Powerpuff Girls Innuendo - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
<oeuvre> 4-5 year old hardware is still very very useful
<Psyxerces> Governement & Education.
<oeuvre> tincan: that video i made
<ectospasm> Most organizations view IT expenditures as cost centers, not profit centers.  It's just a cost of doing business, they only see the value in it when it's not there or it fails
<oeuvre> the ppg inuendo one
<tincan> oeuvre: i know :P
<oeuvre> that's my youtube channel.
<witeshark> oeuvre, yeah! makes good servers
<orbit> oeuvre: in business, it really isnt worth bothering with.
<tincan> oeuvre: thats why i posted it to you
<oeuvre> k orbit mr. self proclaimed expert
<m00se> IT is a pain in the ass everyone but pencilheads loathe in business
<oeuvre> i will dump milions of money
<orbit> oeuvre: and certianly not 4-5 yo servers, power usage alone makes it a waste
<oeuvre> and then retrain people
<oeuvre> besides
<oeuvre> toss in an SSD in a 5 year old system.... and some RAM
<oeuvre> more than likely it will fel like a brand new system.
<orbit> that's fine for a home system.
<ectospasm> orbit: but upfront costs scare many managers from making that decision, especially if they're in an equilibrium with the old equipment
<oeuvre> even business systems too, not servers.
<orbit> if you're buying it in a business, you would have been buying it with a 3 year support contract.
<orbit> and that's due to the way taxation works.
<Psyxerces> Yes - lets add SSD's and Ram to a fleet that we are trying to get funding to replace, and let them choose the cheap way out.
<ectospasm> orbit: not necessarily
<orbit> after  3 years, you've depreciated it
<orbit> it's basically worthless as far as tax is concerned.
<ectospasm> I had a boss who bought all of his equipment second hand off eBay
<m00se> hospitals don't pay tax
<orbit> and you're unliekly to get support from the hardware vendor.
<ectospasm> Of course, 80 percent of it was shite, but I couldn't convince him of that.
<oeuvre> orbit: you buy anything new, the second you use it, it depreciates
<oeuvre> a new car, a new computer, clothes, etc.
<orbit> i dont think you understand what i'm saying
<oeuvre> oh i do
<oeuvre> for tax purposes and such
<oeuvre> and warranty, support etc.
<Psyxerces> orbit: In an ideal world, where everyone listened to the people that maintained their ICT Fleet, then all servers workstations would be on a four year warranty / lease rollover.
<orbit> have you done many IT procurements and worked with teh finance dept on that? :/
<oeuvre> the amount of people who don't maintain their stuff... is oeuvre whelming
<orbit> Psyxerces: every place i've workeed has done exactly that.
<oeuvre> so realistically this 3 year update plan will never happen
<oeuvre> in many places
<Psyxerces> Yes - Business.   Not education that is often scrimping for money everywhere.
<orbit> more fool them.
<oeuvre> Psyxerces: i guess it's time for orbit to come back down to earth
<ectospasm> "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
<oeuvre> ^\
<orbit> oeuvre: i can only relate my experiences where i've worekd.
<orbit> and in the country i am
<oeuvre> same here broseph
<ectospasm> Only the largest and most languid organizations can have policies that match "the ideal"
<Psyxerces> We get a computer, plan for replacement in 4 years once the warranty expires, and then you get cashflow issues - maybe next year.
<Psyxerces> We try for a rolling lease, spreading the cost out, but then get govt funding that says no lease, so you have to buy.
<tincan> friend worked at a print shop where the vinyl cutter was connected to a win 95 machine. plenty ofpeople dont update there stuff untill its way to late
<orbit> ectospasm: poppycock
<oeuvre> tincan: win 95 ftw
<orbit> tincan: no arguments there, but that doesnt make it 'right'
<ectospasm> You think 95% business have a well defined IT plan?  Really?
<tincan> orbit: im assuming it required some softwarefrom a company that doesnt exist any more
<orbit> ectoplasm: no idea. never worked in regular business. butbusinesses that have IT as their core - i'd fucking hope so.
<oeuvre> this conversation is dumb
<kitten> oeuvre: https://www.dropbox.com/s/md2eyj4cq233qm9/2014-11-21%2022.44.54.jpg?dl=0
<Psyxerces> But to say you should update to 8.1 because its there?  bullshit.  We deliberately haven't pushed it out even to the computers that do support it to maintain consistency of platform across 500+ devices.
<ectospasm> orbit: you didn't specify that
<oeuvre> no one is going to change their opinions and just stick to their guns anyways
<orbit> ectoplasm: *shrug* i can only relate *my* experiences. and if businesses outside that arent doing it - more fool them.  cant imagine why they get taken to the cleaners by IT support groups.
<ectospasm> Most of these either have some kid out of school doing things, or they have somebody that works on contract basis
<oeuvre> kitten: dem quilts
<oeuvre> nice job!
<Anastasius> Let's all get drunk and play ping-pong!
<ectospasm> Yeah, I must be tired or drunk (or both).  I'm dropping my articles like crazy!
<tincan> Anastasius: lets play strip chess!
<Anastasius> tincan: Ya think?
<Psyxerces> And then to say that we don't appropriately attempt to manage the fleet - when we maintain both Apple Software Update Servers, Caching Servers, WSUS Servers with a custom package deployment pushing out Adobe Flash, Java, Shockwave, and even come in out of hours to apply critical zero day patches our Domain Controllers is insulting.
<ectospasm> Bishop take Queen... from behind!
<orbit> hawt
<Anastasius> "Oooooh myyyy!" - George Takei
<tincan> Anastasius: 1 article of clothing for pawns, 2 for hat, pony, and tower, and 3 for king and queen!
<ectospasm> heh, the guy at the chinese buffet who said to me,"More water?" sounded like George Takei
<ectospasm> I didn't get a good look at his face
<ectospasm> But I figure it was close enough
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<Anastasius> tincan: Okay, can I get in my winter gear? Thermals, shirt, hat, coat, gloves?
<ectospasm> Which reminds me.  My girlfriend has a thing for gay guys... George Takei, Neil Patrick Harris
<tincan> Anastasius: only if we play outside in the snow
<Anastasius> tincan: That would end terribly, with frostbite.
<ectospasm> I say,"We can get in a threesome:  I take you, you take him, and he takes me!"  I think she feigns offense at that, but I'm not entirely sure.
<oeuvre> k bye
<Anastasius> ectospasm: lol