[15:26:29] (IronBullet set modchat to +)
[15:26:33] %streams: now XD
[15:26:35] #IronBullet: /announce OU workshop starting
[15:26:45] #IronBullet: is dennis there?
[15:27:12] %streams: so littlelucario's team is shedninja stall
[15:27:14] %streams: http://pastebin.com/4SszfPDk
[15:27:21] #IronBullet: okay guys welcome to this OU workshop! streams, dennis and panther will be hosting it and hopefully joined by analytic later
[15:27:32] %Panther5001: ^_^
[15:27:33] littlelucario was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[15:27:39] %streams: oh
[15:27:40] +littlelucario: hi
[15:27:40] %streams: hello
[15:27:43] %Panther5001: hey
[15:27:47] +littlelucario: so basically i saw the wonder trio
[15:27:55] +littlelucario: i tried making another version with zap as a defogger
[15:27:59] +littlelucario: to amend the pinsir weakness
[15:28:10] +littlelucario: quag helps with like lum sd chomp etc.
[15:28:13] +littlelucario: chansey with zardy
[15:28:17] +littlelucario: and stuffs
[15:28:31] %streams: yea i really like defensive zap right now, as it can heatwave pressure bish to not switch into the defog
[15:29:17] %Panther5001: well quag also just straight up beats and bisharp not lacking SD as well, just to note
[15:29:22] +littlelucario: tbh i saw a version of this on ladder a while ago and put my own spin on it
[15:29:23] %streams: true
[15:29:33] %streams: but you dont really want to get knocked off either way
[15:29:54] %Panther5001: hmm aerial ace for m-heracross i assume
[15:30:03] %streams: i wondering what that was for as well
[15:30:18] %Panther5001: i was about to say that sub m-hera was rly threatening for you
[15:30:19] +littlelucario: yeah
[15:30:27] +littlelucario: m-hera 6-0s if i don't play doggie right
[15:30:27] %streams: let me do some calcs on how much it does
[15:30:35] +littlelucario: it does like 60ish
[15:30:36] +littlelucario: iirc
[15:31:02] %streams: 252 Atk Dugtrio Aerial Ace vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Heracross: 168-200 (55.8 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[15:31:08] %streams: yea given its not bulky
[15:31:23] +littlelucario: bulky mhera is still an issue
[15:31:27] %Panther5001: Well duggy is obvi for tran which you don't rly have a switch in for (quag doesn't like toxic), but i feel like some role compression with dugtrio can help here
[15:31:33] %streams: so although you have chansey, i think a steel type is appreciated
[15:31:36] %Panther5001: something that can maybe check tran and also help vs. mega hera
[15:31:46] +littlelucario: steel type for who exactly?
[15:31:51] %streams: for fairys
[15:31:56] %streams: like mega diancie
[15:32:06] +littlelucario: i can usually bp out of shed into doggie to trap
[15:32:15] %Panther5001: idk how i feel about adding a steel type tbh
[15:32:17] %streams: yea you have duggy, but it doesnt appreciate switching in
[15:32:34] %Panther5001: like chansey loses to taunt m-gard but if it's taunt you go shedninja
[15:32:42] %streams: yea
[15:32:45] %Panther5001: and chansey can beat all other variants if healthy
[15:32:46] +littlelucario: any non wisp garde loses to shed
[15:32:49] %Panther5001: ye
[15:32:59] %DennisEG◀: today is shop right ?
[15:33:02] %Panther5001: yea
[15:33:06] %streams: its going on right now XD
[15:33:12] %DennisEG◀: wait what
[15:33:14] %DennisEG◀: srly
[15:33:18] %streams: lol yea
[15:33:23] %streams: team is above
[15:33:24] %DennisEG◀: thought it was 2pm gmt-6
[15:33:30] %streams: 2pm cst
[15:33:41] %streams: http://pastebin.com/4SszfPDk here is the team
[15:34:03] %DennisEG◀: cool, guess we get confuse with ib in timeezone
[15:34:17] %streams: so anyway, a skarmory can deal with heracross
[15:34:24] #IronBullet: yeah sorry dennis i was confused as well haha
[15:34:28] +littlelucario: but who would i replace?
[15:34:54] %streams: id say zap tbh
[15:34:54] +littlelucario: for skarm
[15:35:02] %streams: run defensive defog
[15:35:06] +littlelucario: if i replace zap tornt becomes a huge issue
[15:35:15] %Panther5001: The issue with adding skarmory, however, is the fact that heatran becomes much more threatening, as you're going to have to rely on quag to pressure it, meaning you might switch into toxic, etc
[15:35:16] %DennisEG◀: are u guys doing something for LO exca ?
[15:35:28] +littlelucario: quag can wall cant it?
[15:35:34] +littlelucario: not sure if eq 2hkos
[15:35:34] %Panther5001: it 2hkos
[15:35:39] +littlelucario: rip
[15:35:40] %DennisEG◀: everything gets 2ko
[15:36:00] +littlelucario: i think i trap with dug then
[15:36:17] +littlelucario: i rely on dug for a lot
[15:36:21] %DennisEG◀: thats the only way, lose a mon for exca
[15:36:22] %streams: its doesnt get 2hko
[15:36:23] %Panther5001: i was going to say
[15:36:32] %streams: 252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 139-164 (35.2 - 41.6%) -- 81.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
[15:36:44] %Panther5001: im talking about switching into toxic for example
[15:37:06] %streams: well if its toxic, it cant stay in
[15:37:07] %Panther5001: but yea anyways, as it stands, m-heracross and lo drill seem to the the team's biggest issues
[15:37:12] %Panther5001: and tran to a smaller extent
[15:37:14] %streams: and you have heal bell
[15:37:40] %DennisEG◀: for me doggy is the weakeast link
[15:37:46] +littlelucario: huh
[15:38:02] +littlelucario: dug usually ends up trapping the biggest threats to the team
[15:38:15] %DennisEG◀: you cannot rely on stall on a trap mon to cover tran, lo drill, and apparently mega cross
[15:38:15] %streams: id say replace zap with skarm
[15:38:31] +littlelucario: well tran is covered by chansey+quag usually
[15:38:34] %DennisEG◀: defog skarm ?
[15:38:39] %streams: yea dfog defensive
[15:38:43] +littlelucario: defog skarm over zap ill try
[15:38:55] %streams: cause bb can ohko heracross
[15:38:56] %Panther5001: That does assist with hera and drill
[15:39:01] %streams: and still deal with pinsir
[15:39:09] %Panther5001: id go defensive tho as shed+chansey is fine for gard
[15:39:14] +littlelucario: toge is an issue isn't it
[15:39:17] %Panther5001: and most diance run max attack now anyways
[15:39:25] %streams: lol i said defensive XD
[15:39:29] %Panther5001: oh my bad
[15:39:35] %streams: haha no worries
[15:39:35] +littlelucario: without zap doesn't toge like win at tp
[15:39:56] %DennisEG◀: we need toxic somewhere if we're replacing skarm> zap
[15:40:00] %streams: agreed
[15:40:03] %DennisEG◀: to deal with any varient of talon
[15:40:07] %streams: you can run rocks on duggy
[15:40:13] %streams: and toxic on chansey
[15:40:14] +littlelucario: we can run toxic>fake on sab
[15:40:20] +littlelucario: wait actually
[15:40:25] +littlelucario: dug doesn't need ace if im using skarm
[15:40:29] %Panther5001: yea
[15:40:31] %streams: yea thats what i was thinking
[15:40:36] %DennisEG◀: ok that's it then
[15:40:42] +littlelucario: helmet or lefties?
[15:40:46] %DennisEG◀: shed
[15:40:48] %streams: yea
[15:40:52] %streams: for stall do shed
[15:40:52] %Panther5001: shed for sure
[15:41:11] +littlelucario: roost bb defog ww im assuming
[15:41:18] %streams: yea
[15:41:18] %Panther5001: yea
[15:41:29] %DennisEG◀: is this the first squad ?
[15:41:32] %streams: yep
[15:41:38] +littlelucario: toge seems like an issue
[15:41:39] +littlelucario: np toge
[15:41:47] +littlelucario: since we just lost zapdos
[15:42:12] %streams: best chance would be to kill it with duggy
[15:42:20] %Panther5001: I'd go toxic over fake out just to note. You don't rly need to mega on fairies cause you got shed+chansey (just to agree with what was previously said)
[15:42:21] +littlelucario: i suppose
[15:42:57] +littlelucario: the team is p talon weak since it relies on quag to check
[15:43:01] +littlelucario: so id say that make sense
[15:43:04] %Panther5001: whirlwind on skarm can help as well with rocks up for toge at least
[15:43:10] +littlelucario: yeah
[15:43:24] %Panther5001: so i'd go whirlwind in the last slot for skarm
[15:43:35] +littlelucario: yeah i always run ww skarm unless im like super bisharp wek
[15:43:37] +littlelucario: weak*
[15:44:01] %Panther5001: true, maybe toxic on quag then
[15:44:14] +littlelucario: wait
[15:44:25] +littlelucario: opposing msab
[15:44:29] +littlelucario: seem really annoyin
[15:44:42] +littlelucario: i know that's standard for stall but still
[15:44:50] +littlelucario: i have to burn it with quag p much
[15:45:00] %streams: if they dont have toxic, quag sets up on it
[15:45:09] %Panther5001: Yea
[15:45:23] +littlelucario: fair enough
[15:45:24] %Panther5001: and honestly adding a t-flame or tran for sableye just opens more problems
[15:45:31] +littlelucario: yeah obviously
[15:45:37] +littlelucario: thanks for help
[15:45:38] +littlelucario: :]
[15:45:43] %Panther5001: like removing defog, or repopening the m-heracross weakenss, but i digress
[15:45:55] %streams: so Panther you wanna give the next team?
[15:46:25] %Panther5001: I only got one message so far :(. you can go ahead ima call upon the people for more teams
[15:46:33] %streams: alright
[15:46:35] %Panther5001: anything else you wanna add for this team though streams?
[15:46:38] %Panther5001: before we move on?
[15:46:44] %streams: naw it looks good to me
[15:46:48] %Panther5001: Cool, agreed
[15:46:51] +littlelucario: ty guys :]
[15:46:52] +littlelucario: ~~just rate xtrashine ho, it's the most common team in the world~~
[15:46:56] %Panther5001: np man
[15:47:13] %DennisEG◀: Panther5001 didnt even ask me if wanna add something :c
[15:47:17] %Panther5001: omg
[15:47:23] %Panther5001: my bad
[15:47:26] %Panther5001: i was about to!!
[15:47:27] %streams: so the next team is given by swe
[15:47:31] %DennisEG◀: hahaha good
[15:47:40] %streams: http://pastebin.com/TKXhFGW4 mega diancie ou
[15:47:41] %Panther5001: alright myb
[15:48:26] %DennisEG◀: somebody do the voice/devoice
[15:48:28] %DennisEG◀: than
[15:48:35] %DennisEG◀: Quite Quiet or IronBullet
[15:48:50] #IronBullet: got it
[15:48:56] (littlelucario was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[15:48:59] swe was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[15:49:03] %Panther5001: hello
[15:49:09] +swe: hello
[15:49:30] %streams: alright swe, so right off the bat, physical diancie is the best set right now
[15:49:46] +swe: ive been trying spa and atk
[15:49:52] +swe: so i can ohko garde
[15:49:58] %Panther5001: nah run max attack to 2hko spdef skarm
[15:50:09] %streams: max attack diamond storm 2hko just about everything yea
[15:50:11] %Panther5001: yea
[15:50:12] %Panther5001: lol
[15:50:16] %Panther5001: and heatran im pre sure
[15:50:40] %streams: 248 Atk Mega Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 181-214 (46.8 - 55.4%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[15:50:45] %streams: its close
[15:50:48] %DennisEG◀: first ive notice is the real weav/kyub weakness
[15:50:49] %streams: but ep does a lot
[15:51:03] %DennisEG◀: and thundy
[15:51:12] %Panther5001: yea rotom is the only real swtch in
[15:51:15] %Panther5001: which isnt a switch in
[15:51:16] %Panther5001: lol
[15:51:24] %streams: you could run av tang for thund
[15:51:34] %streams: but weavile is such a threat
[15:51:50] %streams: regardless
[15:52:00] %DennisEG◀: av force you to run full sPD which leave the team vulnerable to physical threats
[15:52:13] %streams: i was thnking if you go av go rh lando
[15:52:16] %Panther5001: you could just go
[15:52:30] %Panther5001: scarf lando which helps revenge kill thundy
[15:52:44] %Panther5001: Cause you'd only need EP to lure and 2HKO ferro and clef
[15:52:49] +swe: so scarf landot yes?
[15:52:52] %streams: id say weavile is a much larger threat
[15:52:54] %Panther5001: which heatran checks anyways
[15:52:59] %streams: so id hold off on the svarf
[15:53:03] %Panther5001: it is but that's just a small change i'd do
[15:53:04] %DennisEG◀: i was thinking a bulkier DD lando with yache 8 HP / 176 Atk / 92 Def / 232 Spe
[15:53:07] %Panther5001: hmm
[15:53:11] %streams: yea i like yache
[15:53:13] %Panther5001: oh yea
[15:53:18] %streams: that deals with weavile
[15:53:24] +swe: so change that?
[15:53:29] %DennisEG◀: it lures weav and thundy
[15:54:21] %streams: and given you are dual dance, the stuff taken out of attack wont matter to much
[15:54:25] %DennisEG◀: althought scarf isnt bad too, cuz the team really needs speed
[15:54:29] %DennisEG◀: for threats like zam
[15:54:43] %Panther5001: my thinking exactly
[15:54:53] %Panther5001: This doesn't pertain to Weavile. But I feel that latias>latios is better here. Specs keldeo and thunderus are issues as well, so I feel that this team rly likes the extra special bulk
[15:54:55] %streams: ice shard does a lot to scarf though
[15:55:05] %streams: but i agree with latias
[15:55:20] %Panther5001: and scarf lando helps vs mega man a lot
[15:55:35] %Panther5001: cause then it won't be volt switching on your heatran, etc if you bring it in
[15:55:51] +swe: ok, so latias? and scarf lando?
[15:55:58] %Panther5001: scarf or yachi
[15:56:01] %Panther5001: both work here imo
[15:56:10] %DennisEG◀: id say 60
[15:56:16] +swe: what do you guys think?
[15:56:25] %DennisEG◀: 60% scaarf 40% yache
[15:56:26] %DennisEG◀: tbh
[15:56:30] %Panther5001: Yachi helps specifically deal with weavile; however, scarf helps in terms of revenge killing thunderus, mega mac, zam
[15:56:43] %DennisEG◀: i like speed on that team
[15:56:49] %streams: id say scarf is overall better for a ladder stand point
[15:57:22] %Panther5001: so like quake, rock slide, u-turn and knock/explosion,filler
[15:57:24] %Panther5001: for example
[15:57:38] +swe: for landot?
[15:57:41] %Panther5001: yea
[15:57:50] %Panther5001: what do you guys like for the last slot?
[15:57:54] +swe: is double dance better?
[15:57:55] %streams: knock
[15:58:10] %Panther5001: your team really needs the speed imo
[15:58:15] +swe: but i suppose scarf and double dance dont work
[15:58:34] %streams: littlelucario pointed this out to me
[15:58:36] %streams: 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 8 HP / 92 Def Yache Berry Landorus-T: 338-400 (105.2 - 124.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
[15:58:40] %Panther5001: and to me lol
[15:58:53] %DennisEG◀: swe you can found the scarf set here
[15:58:56] %DennisEG◀: !smogdex landot
[15:58:56] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/landorustherian">XY Landorus-Therian analysis</a>, brought to you by <a href="https://www.smogon.com">Smogon University</a></div>
[15:59:00] %Panther5001: you still live an ice shard scarf, but still
[15:59:12] %DennisEG◀: we need something for kyub
[15:59:14] %Panther5001: yea
[15:59:16] %DennisEG◀: like asap
[15:59:34] %streams: im thinking replace heatran or thang
[15:59:37] %Panther5001: And weavile if we can
[15:59:37] %streams: tang
[15:59:59] %streams: we could go breloom, although ice does a number
[16:00:11] %streams: sp probably not
[16:00:11] +swe: i already have 3 ice weekness
[16:00:14] %Panther5001: I'm thinking tangrowth. I mean rotom+lando+sp.def tran should be fine as a core
[16:00:18] +swe: latios, tang, lando
[16:00:37] %Panther5001: losing tran makes cm clef solo this team bar latias since we're not doing EP lando
[16:00:39] %DennisEG◀: tang and tran are crucial there, they cover so many threats. Bish, Clef, and lopu
[16:00:41] %streams: i couldnt see a scizor not doing any negative things to the team
[16:01:01] %Panther5001: Hmm
[16:01:40] %streams: i just dont know what to replace
[16:01:42] %Panther5001: A more support scizor could work here. Can check weavile, non HP Fire K-B
[16:01:55] %streams: well non mega is really only good sd or band
[16:02:17] %streams: cause rotom is needed for talon, but tang is for the things given before
[16:03:01] %streams: i guess you can deal with talon in other ways
[16:03:05] %Panther5001: I mean non mega helps vs. kyurum, weavile and removing growth for it means that bisharp becomes more of an issue (as mentioned by dennis) which scizor can help with somewhat if we do superpower
[16:03:23] %DennisEG◀: i really thing rotom is the less useful here
[16:03:27] %streams: i agree
[16:03:31] %DennisEG◀: we have tran + diancie for talon
[16:03:37] %DennisEG◀: think*
[16:03:38] %streams: yea i was about to say
[16:03:48] %streams: you have to play around more
[16:04:03] +swe: so no scizor?
[16:04:10] %DennisEG◀: no
[16:04:15] +swe: ok
[16:04:17] %Panther5001: well im on the fence about that tbh but if no one else agrees then no
[16:04:46] %DennisEG◀: non mega zor hasnt the bulk tbh
[16:05:16] %Panther5001: I was just calcing and yea now that i see the calcs scizor doesn't work
[16:05:44] %streams: only mega sciozr is good bulky
[16:05:57] %Panther5001: alright, we were saying about rotom?
[16:06:06] %streams: that its the thing to replace
[16:06:45] %DennisEG◀: the only mon that could help is keldeo tbh over rotom
[16:07:14] %streams: you could do an av metagross im thinking
[16:07:17] %Panther5001: I was thinking that or conkedlurr (don't kill me)
[16:07:25] %Panther5001: if we do gross it has to be bp tho
[16:07:49] %streams: yea
[16:07:52] %DennisEG◀: gross could help but still weav is a pain
[16:08:02] %Panther5001: Honestly thoughts on conk?
[16:08:10] %Panther5001: can revenge kill weavile, also kyurum
[16:08:13] %DennisEG◀: unless colbur metagross (ban me please)
[16:08:21] %streams: yea dont do that XD
[16:08:25] %Panther5001: ?
[16:08:33] %streams: and after some calcs conk can handle both of them
[16:08:34] %streams: if av
[16:08:41] %Panther5001: It can if AV
[16:08:46] %Panther5001: but has to be av
[16:09:04] %DennisEG◀: id say nice twist except it get 2hko by icicle crash
[16:09:27] %Panther5001: True but at least you have a way to revenge kill weavile now
[16:09:29] %streams: that is true, but im not seeing a better option
[16:09:41] %Panther5001: keldeo can work as well though
[16:09:54] %streams: it would need to be scarfed
[16:09:54] %Panther5001: you'd just be stuck revenge killing kyurum
[16:10:00] %streams: otherwise kyurem beats it
[16:10:06] %streams: if it is also scarfed
[16:10:06] %DennisEG◀: LO rest talk keldeo could work
[16:10:10] %streams: hmm
[16:10:12] %Panther5001: omg rest talk
[16:10:13] %Panther5001: yes
[16:10:20] %Panther5001: strongly agreed there if we do keldeo
[16:10:38] %streams: 20 Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 328-387 (101.5 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
[16:10:39] %streams: (328, 333, 335, 341, 343, 348, 351, 356, 359, 364, 367, 372, 374, 380, 382, 387)
[16:10:50] %streams: just need to hope to get the right sleep talk
[16:11:02] %Panther5001: Or just play around if scarfed k-b
[16:11:09] %Panther5001: and if not you just revenge kill it
[16:11:26] %streams: with a ground and fairy, scarf is decently easy to play around
[16:12:07] %Panther5001: So either rest talk keldeo or AV conk in the last slot then. Let's keep the discussion rolling. I think both work here tbh
[16:12:21] %Analytic: I just woke up
[16:12:25] %Analytic: Hello guys
[16:12:27] %Panther5001: hey
[16:12:28] %streams: hello
[16:12:50] %Analytic: What's the team we're discussing about
[16:12:54] %streams: so to catch you up, we have an issue with weavile and kyurem
[16:12:59] %streams: but one slot to beat the to
[16:13:00] %streams: two
[16:13:09] %Panther5001: streams, dennis, thoughts on keldeo or conk?
[16:13:19] %Panther5001: that's what we have to consider i feel
[16:13:33] %Analytic: Someone link the pb to the team please
[16:13:38] %Panther5001: http://pastebin.com/TKXhFGW4 here
[16:13:47] %Panther5001: original team
[16:14:05] %streams: im getting updated
[16:14:15] %Analytic: Hmm
[16:14:17] %streams: http://pastebin.com/TdjJ1p1k
[16:14:21] %streams: updated
[16:14:39] %streams: so our thoughts are either rest talk keldeo or av conk over rotom
[16:14:47] %streams: to deal with weavile and kyurem-b
[16:15:01] %Panther5001: Littlucario also mentioned klefki
[16:15:08] %streams: eh
[16:15:11] %streams: looses momentum
[16:15:13] %streams: a lot of it
[16:15:16] %Analytic: I think Rotom-W is the most expendable here
[16:15:27] %streams: yea we had thought that too
[16:15:29] %Analytic: We alr have Tangrowth for Sand builds
[16:15:46] %Analytic: Diancie+Heatran for flying resists
[16:15:48] %streams: just not sure if we are going keldeo or conk over it foe weavile and kyurem weakness
[16:15:50] %Panther5001: yea that's been agreed upon. his reasoning was that we have no hazard weak mons and m-diance, and kelfki checks both. just thought i'd mention it
[16:16:43] %streams: i think if we go keldeo, that would be yet another thundurus weakness
[16:17:02] %Panther5001: I mean latias+scarf lando helps with that, but true
[16:17:05] %Analytic: We have scarf lando+lati to check
[16:17:14] %Analytic: And it doesnt set up on much
[16:17:33] %streams: well mix thundy is on the rise, and that beats lati
[16:17:38] %Analytic: Latias is evd to survive +2 HP Ice
[16:17:44] %Analytic: Hmm
[16:17:57] %streams: 68 Atk Life Orb Thundurus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Latias: 237-281 (74.2 - 88%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[16:18:07] %Analytic: Well I mean in terms of non choice scarfers vs Thund
[16:18:19] %Analytic: It's p hard to deal with anyway
[16:18:43] %streams: agreed
[16:18:49] %Analytic: Plus if I'm not wrong, Tang can live an HP ice and sleep powder back
[16:18:51] %streams: but i still think conk is better in this cast
[16:18:59] %streams: ill calc
[16:19:03] %streams: mix thundy or na?
[16:19:29] %streams: 252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 244 HP / 48 SpD Tangrowth: 265-312 (65.9 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
[16:19:44] %Analytic: That's not bad really
[16:20:00] %Analytic: 3 checks, 4 if you count Heatran
[16:20:07] %streams: well answers yea
[16:20:08] %Analytic: 1 solid answer in Lati
[16:20:15] %Analytic: One great revenger in Lando
[16:20:16] %Panther5001: Yea thundy is not too much of an issue honestly
[16:20:24] %streams: so are you going towards keldeo?
[16:20:37] %streams: i mean im good with either
[16:20:43] %Analytic: I'd think so
[16:21:00] %Panther5001: I'm split. But keldeo offers more to the team instead of just checking weavile/conk
[16:21:01] %streams: both worked, but i suppose we do have thundy answers
[16:21:03] %DennisEG◀: theres not much we can do tbh
[16:21:16] %DennisEG◀: team have answer for everything
[16:21:24] %streams: yea i agree. adding keldeo is probably the closest we can get
[16:21:25] %DennisEG◀: switching or revenge killer
[16:21:40] %Analytic: Definitely
[16:21:47] %streams: so i guess thats it for that team
[16:21:57] %Panther5001: yea i have nothing else to add
[16:22:24] +swe: so i go keldeo for?
[16:22:31] %Panther5001: over rotom
[16:22:33] %streams: rest talk keldeo > rotom
[16:22:42] +swe: whats the set?
[16:22:46] %Panther5001: !analysis keldeo
[16:22:46] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/keldeo">XY Keldeo analysis</a>, brought to you by <a href="https://www.smogon.com">Smogon University</a></div>
[16:22:46] %Analytic: Why resttalk
[16:22:56] %streams: for longevity
[16:23:00] %Analytic: We have a Tang for Bish
[16:23:11] %Analytic: Heatran checks Weav to an extent
[16:23:19] %Analytic: I dont think it's necessary
[16:23:40] %streams: 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 307-361 (79.5 - 93.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[16:23:51] %Analytic: Heatran also beats Sciz which means Keld needs to worry only about Weav
[16:23:56] %Panther5001: I mean rocks and having a standard keldeo
[16:23:59] %Panther5001: should be fine
[16:24:03] %Panther5001: thinking about it more
[16:24:08] %DennisEG◀: weav and kyub
[16:24:09] %streams: so specs?
[16:24:17] %Analytic: I'd say so
[16:24:19] %Panther5001: for weavile at least
[16:24:30] +swe: whats the set?
[16:24:37] %streams: i mean the team is pretty solid. to really be sure id just do testing
[16:24:56] %streams: and scald, hydro, secret sword, icy wind
[16:25:01] %Panther5001: it's in the analysis i linked above
[16:25:25] +swe: so resttalk or specs
[16:25:33] %streams: so are we gonna do 1 or 2 more teams than build with the core we got ready?
[16:25:38] %streams: and specs
[16:25:41] %Panther5001: I got a few more messages
[16:26:04] %Panther5001: Cools i'll post the next one if we're good
[16:26:11] +swe: ty for help guys
[16:26:17] %streams: alright. IronBullet, we are moving on to the next rate
[16:26:19] %Panther5001: np bud
[16:26:23] %streams: and no problem man =)
[16:26:23] +swe: wait rotom yes?
[16:26:32] %streams: yes keldeo over rotom
[16:27:01] %Panther5001: Posting next team. This is by AnishSomani http://pastebin.com/9PT9yw29
[16:27:22] +swe: i guess
[16:27:28] +swe: its time for my voice to be gone
[16:27:29] +swe: lel
[16:28:19] #IronBullet: okay
[16:28:23] %Panther5001: Thanks for participating swe
[16:28:23] (swe was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[16:28:28] AnishSomani was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[16:29:03] +AnishSomani: i built the team around specs hydreigon
[16:30:01] +AnishSomani: + a volt turn, and i used infernape to deal with darks and set rocks
[16:30:19] %streams: so right off the bat, surf latios is an issue
[16:30:26] %streams: id go spdef rachi over scarf
[16:30:34] +AnishSomani: ok
[16:30:36] %Panther5001: Also Azumarill is really annoying here
[16:30:42] %Panther5001: run 44 speed on rotom
[16:30:44] %Panther5001: to help outrun it
[16:30:58] +AnishSomani: k
[16:31:54] +AnishSomani: so with that taunt ape or keld?
[16:32:04] %streams: so you have 0 answers to a scarf drill
[16:32:41] %Panther5001: honestly
[16:32:45] %Panther5001: since you have sp.def rachi now
[16:32:55] %DennisEG◀: dont think eq latios is necessary when we have rotom
[16:32:56] %Panther5001: i feel that mach punch>rocks and rocks on rachi helps
[16:33:35] +AnishSomani: i just had it for like beam tran and i dont have split on wahs
[16:33:50] %streams: im thinking we may replace nape for a drill answer
[16:34:09] +AnishSomani: rest talk keld?
[16:34:41] %streams: eq still does a lot
[16:34:43] +AnishSomani: or should i go with somehting like tnagrowth (a little scared of darks then)
[16:34:45] %streams: over 50%
[16:34:59] %Panther5001: and keld
[16:35:17] NEW CHATROOM: ratemyteam
[16:35:25] %Panther5001 ✔✔: omg
[16:35:38] @gradeagarchomp: well
[16:35:52] %streams: what a time for this XD
[16:36:04] %streams: anyway i was gonna say do scarf keldeo
[16:36:12] %Panther5001 ✔✔: team pastebin again http://pastebin.com/9PT9yw29 that we were looking at
[16:36:15] +AnishSomani: yeah k
[16:36:29] %Panther5001 ✔✔: i don't like keldeo here tbh
[16:36:36] %Panther5001 ✔✔: just makes azu so much more threatening
[16:36:39] %streams: i mean tang,
[16:36:49] +AnishSomani: scarf tang?
[16:36:49] %streams: let me do calcs on tang with a +2 bish
[16:36:52] %streams: no rh tang
[16:37:00] %Panther5001 ✔✔: oh we're doing tang?
[16:37:05] %streams: maybe
[16:37:07] %streams: let me do calcs
[16:37:10] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Okay
[16:37:31] %streams: yea tang does well against it
[16:37:55] %Panther5001 ✔✔: weavile though is more annoying now with scarf rachi gone
[16:38:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh is there a work shop or something
[16:38:07] @gradeagarchomp: yes
[16:38:22] +AnishSomani: yeah weavile was why i didnt go tang directly
[16:38:25] %streams: if you would get on skype you would know that sado
[16:38:27] %Analytic: Tang is a god lol.
[16:38:34] %Analytic: It lives Icicle Crash
[16:38:35] %DennisEG◀: i think rotom is enough for azu
[16:38:46] %Analytic: Also, we have Rotom for a one time check
[16:38:53] %Panther5001 ✔✔: i guess with the speed for azu it helps
[16:39:16] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ill wait til the next team to join in since it looks like there was a reset just now
[16:39:46] %Panther5001 ✔✔: i feel that hp fire tan is needed
[16:39:57] %streams: eq tang lures heatran
[16:40:02] %Panther5001 ✔✔: cause relying on rotom to burn scizor is bit iffy
[16:40:10] %Panther5001 ✔✔: we got eq latios already
[16:40:40] %streams: well i dont think eq lati is needed is the thing
[16:40:46] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I feel that+rotom should be sufficient to wear down heatran
[16:41:12] %streams: with eq tang, you lure tran, and still beat bish
[16:41:21] %streams: and then you can spam with hydreigon
[16:41:31] %Panther5001 ✔✔: but then why Eq lati?
[16:41:34] %Panther5001 ✔✔: and eq tangrowth
[16:41:43] %streams: im saying replace the eq lati
[16:41:51] %streams: with surf or something
[16:41:52] %Panther5001 ✔✔: oh myb
[16:42:01] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I feel that hp fire is needed tbh
[16:42:03] +AnishSomani: id need hp fire for zor prob
[16:42:09] %Panther5001 ✔✔: i agree
[16:42:13] %streams: well you have rotom
[16:42:24] %Panther5001 ✔✔: +2 bug bite kills
[16:42:32] %Panther5001 ✔✔: if it's offensive and SDs on the switch
[16:42:34] +AnishSomani: and wash needs recovery
[16:42:46] +AnishSomani: can get worn down by conitinous u turns
[16:42:55] %streams: +2 beats tang as well
[16:42:57] +AnishSomani: even by the def spread
[16:43:11] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Either HP Fire tangrowth or latios is needed here
[16:43:17] %Panther5001 ✔✔: with 1 heatran lure in Eq lati or tan
[16:43:24] %Panther5001 ✔✔: but i mean knock off tan
[16:43:30] %Panther5001 ✔✔: is nice for heatran anyways
[16:43:35] %Panther5001 ✔✔: as it removes its only means of recovery
[16:43:44] %streams: run hp fire on lati then
[16:43:44] %Panther5001 ✔✔: meaning it's not switching into lati/hyda as easily
[16:44:33] %streams: but why knock the tran
[16:44:44] %streams: when you can just damage it so much
[16:44:48] %streams: its useless
[16:45:10] %Panther5001 ✔✔: No. It removes its leftovers on the switch thus making it unable to check latios and hydreigon as easily.
[16:45:40] %streams: 0 Atk Tangrowth Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 272-324 (70.4 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[16:45:40] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I mean EQ is fine now since we have HP Fire on lati
[16:45:51] %streams: no need to knock when you can just do that much to it
[16:46:27] +AnishSomani: 0 Atk Tangrowth Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Bisharp: 144-170 (53.1 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO this may be an issue
[16:46:34] +AnishSomani: so i need to sleep to win
[16:46:34] %Panther5001 ✔✔: So are options are to keep EQ on lati and run knock+HP Fire on growth, or do HP Fire on lati and EQ on growth
[16:46:55] %streams: well eq would replace hp fire
[16:47:00] %Panther5001 ✔✔: ofc
[16:47:01] %streams: so it would still have knock
[16:47:11] %streams: so sleep, knock, eq, and leafstorm
[16:47:42] +AnishSomani: and id have to conserve the sleep powder and if i miss its gg
[16:47:53] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Well hydra takes +2 sucker
[16:48:05] +AnishSomani: what about weavile?
[16:48:08] %streams: but why when tang just eq the thing for a lot
[16:48:17] %streams: and yea its the weavile issue again XD
[16:48:30] %Panther5001 ✔✔: growth still eats an icicle crash
[16:48:37] %Panther5001 ✔✔: and rotom is a 1 time check
[16:48:42] %Panther5001 ✔✔: but yea not disagreeing there
[16:49:29] %Panther5001 ✔✔: But I feel that we're kinda going in circles here. We removed ape to better handle drill but increased our vulnerability to weavile, it's always a give and take.
[16:50:00] %streams: we could replace latios
[16:50:12] %streams: and not worry about hazard removal, since we have no rock weakness
[16:50:20] %streams: (suggested by littlelucario)
[16:50:38] %Panther5001 ✔✔: He mentioned azu which i like tbh
[16:50:40] +AnishSomani: what fi i replace wash for lando t and then make rachi toxic or something
[16:50:50] %streams: you need wash
[16:51:05] %streams: i think an azu over lati would work fine
[16:51:10] +AnishSomani: for what?
[16:51:18] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I agree completely, helps vs weavile
[16:51:21] %Panther5001 ✔✔: so you can run tangrowth
[16:51:34] %streams: yea
[16:51:55] %Panther5001 ✔✔: dennis, analytic, thoughts on this?
[16:52:11] +AnishSomani: but id have to rely on azu for keld then
[16:52:20] %Analytic: Elecs annoy you to hell and back then
[16:52:26] %Analytic: Also Keld
[16:52:36] %Analytic: Manaphy p much wins too
[16:53:47] %streams: i mean we fix one thing and get another
[16:53:50] +AnishSomani: m dia sorta checks talon
[16:53:54] +AnishSomani: and torn
[16:54:03] +AnishSomani: so wash isnt so necessary there
[16:54:53] %streams: offensive mega scizor is a huge issue as well
[16:55:01] %Panther5001 ✔✔: we covered this tho
[16:55:03] +AnishSomani: yeah but if i add kedl
[16:55:20] %streams: keldeo over azu?
[16:55:24] %streams: yea that could work
[16:55:34] %Panther5001 ✔✔: yea
[16:55:40] %Analytic: Imo
[16:55:43] +AnishSomani: then kedl is a issue
[16:55:49] %Analytic: Since we have Tang
[16:55:51] +AnishSomani: im saying keld > tangrowth
[16:55:56] %Analytic: Why do we need rotom
[16:56:02] %Analytic: Id say Keld over Tom
[16:56:08] %streams: without rotom we lose to zard x
[16:56:15] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: rotom isnt a zard x check tho
[16:56:21] %streams: you are right
[16:56:26] %Panther5001 ✔✔: lol
[16:56:26] %streams: but it can twave for diancie
[16:56:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh its twave
[16:56:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ill just go back to being quiet
[16:56:44] %Analytic: Diancie checks anyway though
[16:56:47] %Analytic: Unlless Eq
[16:56:57] %streams: the dual status rotom is specifically for zard x
[16:57:11] %streams: i wouldnt take the risk of getting rid of rotom
[16:57:24] %Analytic: Idk, how does rotom do vs +1 dclaw
[16:57:31] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: not good
[16:57:36] %Analytic: Exactly
[16:57:42] +AnishSomani: 60% iirc
[16:57:52] %streams: +1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Dragon Claw vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 175-207 (57.7 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[16:58:03] %streams: good enough to twave
[16:58:19] %Analytic: Hmm
[16:59:13] +AnishSomani: how does a lati keld lando rachi m dia dreigon sound
[17:00:11] +AnishSomani: loses to azu
[17:00:19] %streams: so the largest issue here
[17:00:34] %streams: is that whatever we replace, another gaping problme comes
[17:01:37] +AnishSomani: maybe tb on lati might helps vs it
[17:02:49] %streams: so i think the best idea is to use what we have, and give rachi a lure move
[17:03:00] %Panther5001 ✔✔: we're sp.def rachi right?
[17:03:09] %streams: right now
[17:03:54] %streams: what we have so far
[17:03:57] %streams: http://pastebin.com/5XVZk43u
[17:04:22] %streams: tbh i tang deals with keldeo
[17:04:39] %streams: i think we could add like icy wind to rachi
[17:04:52] %Panther5001 ✔✔: or body slam tbh
[17:04:56] %streams: yea
[17:05:01] %streams: over hw
[17:05:02] %Panther5001 ✔✔: to paralyze keldeo here (lemme calc something)
[17:05:23] +AnishSomani: then wash struggles without recovery or support
[17:05:40] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I think u-turn is fine to eliminate and run in hyda
[17:05:40] %streams: wash already didnt have recovery outside of lefties
[17:05:47] %Panther5001 ✔✔: over flash cannon
[17:05:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well the thing about phys def tang
[17:05:56] +AnishSomani: yeah but i could hw into it
[17:05:58] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: is that its 2hko by specs hydro
[17:06:20] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Azu is as well, sadly.
[17:06:21] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I think
[17:06:24] %streams: Sado
[17:06:25] %Panther5001 ✔✔: lum berry azu
[17:06:26] %streams: no it isnt
[17:06:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: 252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 48 SpD Tangrowth: 213-252 (52.7 - 62.3%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
[17:06:33] %streams: oh wiat
[17:06:37] %streams: you said hydro
[17:06:40] %streams: i thought you said scald
[17:06:44] %streams: lol im dumb
[17:06:46] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I think lum berry azu is our only option here tbh
[17:06:53] %Panther5001 ✔✔: without spending 10 more minutes on this
[17:07:16] %streams: but u-turn over flash i agree with
[17:07:29] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: why phys def tang here tho?
[17:07:32] %Panther5001 ✔✔: ye, and body slam on rachi (yellow magic is always now)
[17:07:47] %Panther5001 ✔✔: or fire punch for m-scizor
[17:07:49] %streams: its for scarf drill
[17:07:59] %Panther5001 ✔✔: and bisharp
[17:08:14] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Thoughts on lum azu?
[17:08:33] %streams: not sure if i like it
[17:08:41] %streams: takes away from aq late game
[17:08:47] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Significantly helps vs keldeo
[17:08:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well scarf drill is quite rare and u do have azu for it anyways
[17:08:57] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: spdef seems better here to take on things like keld and thundy tbh
[17:09:11] %streams: not like azu can switch in though
[17:09:22] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Hmm sp.def lum berry works here if we wanna check keld
[17:09:42] %streams: but spdef still deals with bish
[17:10:02] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I'm really thinking azu needs lum berry though. The ability to clean late game is cool but having a keld switch in is more important
[17:10:13] %streams: its a one time switch though
[17:10:29] %streams: spdef tang switches in
[17:10:35] %streams: so with that we can run band
[17:10:41] %Panther5001 ✔✔: o i like that
[17:10:49] %streams: and that is also the best i think we could get the team
[17:11:23] %Panther5001 ✔✔: agreed
[17:11:54] %Panther5001 ✔✔: OK so anything else we want to add concerning this team?
[17:12:16] +AnishSomani: no not reallyu
[17:12:19] %streams: well unfortunaly i gtg. sorry guys
[17:12:23] %streams: ill see you later
[17:12:30] %streams: let me know how the rest of this goes
[17:12:44] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Alright later
[17:12:47] %streams: thanks for letting me help host IronBullet
[17:13:22] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Later streams, alright, are we alright with going to the next team?
[17:17:25] %Panther5001 ✔✔: AnishSomani you there?
[17:17:30] +AnishSomani: yeah
[17:18:00] %Panther5001 ✔✔: alright cool (answered in pms), fakestreet has a team
[17:18:40] %Panther5001 ✔✔: xFakestreet's team: http://hastebin.com/alafugener.md
[17:18:40] #IronBullet: okay
[17:18:45] (AnishSomani was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[17:19:23] xFakestreet was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[17:19:26] #IronBullet: oh also
[17:19:33] %Panther5001 ✔✔: What's up?
[17:19:37] gradeagarchomp was promoted to Voice by IronBullet.
[17:19:44] #IronBullet: grats GAG :D
[17:19:46] %Panther5001 ✔✔: whoah nice
[17:19:48] +xFakestreet: Gratz GAG
[17:19:51] +xFakestreet: Gaga!
[17:20:01] %Panther5001 ✔✔: is it gaga cause lady gaga?
[17:20:02] %Panther5001 ✔✔: i assume so
[17:20:05] +xFakestreet: No
[17:20:20] +xFakestreet: Its gaga because typo, and then me and glommer took the piss for like a week
[17:21:04] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Alright
[17:22:25] +xFakestreet: Want me to explain then?
[17:22:29] %Panther5001 ✔✔: go ahead
[17:23:43] +xFakestreet: Well. It's yet another diancie team. But I wanted to pair it with another under appreciated threat in OU. Volcarona, the hazard protection and ability to lure in physical steels / volcs ability to bring in talonflame makes them a solid offensive pairing
[17:24:00] +xFakestreet: I also wanted to try out a very fast rotom spread, Latios Lando because I have no imagination
[17:24:27] %Panther5001 ✔✔: lol
[17:24:34] @gradeagarchomp: thanks ib
[17:24:42] @gradeagarchomp: i always get promoted
[17:24:42] @Ryoma NAgare: ay my nigga Fakestreet
[17:24:47] @gradeagarchomp: when i'm afk
[17:24:48] +xFakestreet: And choosing the last mon I needed something that could take dracos / somewhat bait mega gardevoir and generally help with physical attackers
[17:24:50] @gradeagarchomp: ffs
[17:24:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lol GaG
[17:24:55] +xFakestreet: Chople because Guck Fardevoir
[17:25:23] +xFakestreet: Originally I had sharpen over protect on diancie but it was a little bit too yolo
[17:25:25] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: fakestreet have u considered hwish latias>latios to give the team some longevity and volcarona a second chance to sweep?
[17:25:54] +xFakestreet: I really like that idea, thanks
[17:26:20] %Panther5001 ✔✔: omg i was about to recommend roost>hp ground
[17:26:20] +xFakestreet: I'd sorta veered away from easing latias for the last few builds. But I can see it working out well here
[17:26:33] %Panther5001 ✔✔: but HW helps with that as I mentioned it to check scizor easier
[17:26:35] +xFakestreet: using*
[17:26:45] %Panther5001 ✔✔: yea def
[17:26:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: roost isnt all that good on volc imo, and hp grounds nice to lure some of its usual checks like tran and zard x
[17:27:12] +xFakestreet: I went with HP ground because diancie can weaken it easily with diamond storm
[17:27:17] +xFakestreet: Once it knows I have HP fire
[17:27:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
[17:27:40] %Panther5001 ✔✔: True, but has serperior been an issue?
[17:27:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: thats what i usually tend to do on those teams
[17:27:49] +xFakestreet: I was actually 6-0d By LO serp
[17:27:55] +xFakestreet: if they have rocks I just die xD
[17:27:57] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Yea
[17:28:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hp rock is kinda threatening, and if they have rocks up its like ew
[17:28:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: another thing to watch out for is bisharp
[17:28:20] +xFakestreet: Bisharp is the rason my rotom is so fast
[17:28:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
[17:29:06] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: its not the worst weakness its just something to watch out for really
[17:29:15] +xFakestreet: Ok
[17:29:20] %Panther5001 ✔✔: I might consider zaptos>lati for defog. Losing HW sucks but it helps in terms of serperior and bisharp.
[17:29:34] +xFakestreet: And scizor
[17:29:37] %Panther5001 ✔✔: yea
[17:29:50] %Panther5001 ✔✔: which means that it's much easier to justify HP ground on volc
[17:30:00] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well
[17:30:06] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: zapdos isnt the best bisharp check
[17:30:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and losing lati makes u weaker to thundurus
[17:30:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: of course, theres knock off thundy but diancie can kinda handle it (sorta)
[17:31:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: also losing lati means u suddenly become a lot weaker to keldeo
[17:31:25] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Yea, chople ferro can t-wave it, but true
[17:31:53] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: also regarding serp
[17:31:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: a lot of serp are sub seed now adays
[17:32:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: which lati walls
[17:32:07] %Panther5001 ✔✔: good point
[17:32:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: kinda
[17:32:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ish
[17:32:47] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: its still kinda shaky but works
[17:33:07] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Yea true, i'd go surf latias though for heatran, and run roost on volc
[17:33:21] %Panther5001 ✔✔: helps to lure tran while still having the ability to check serp and scizor easier
[17:33:25] %Panther5001 ✔✔: i feel that could work
[17:33:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i dont really see how heatrans an issue tho
[17:34:04] %Panther5001 ✔✔: it's not really, but it's nice to lure it with lati
[17:34:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we've got hp ground volc, rotom-w, and diancie wears it down with repeated diamond storms since its invested in phys atk
[17:34:12] %Panther5001 ✔✔: im saying remove HP groun
[17:34:14] %Panther5001 ✔✔: ground
[17:34:17] %Panther5001 ✔✔: for roost
[17:34:21] %Panther5001 ✔✔: to help vs. serp and scizor
[17:35:21] %Panther5001 ✔✔: are you saying that we don't need surf if we remove hp ground?
[17:35:35] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: no i didnt see that u said replace hp ground
[17:35:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so thats why i was confused
[17:35:41] %Panther5001 ✔✔: oh ok my bad
[17:35:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: another option could be scarf rachi>ferro or something
[17:36:18] %Panther5001 ✔✔: yea this team's kinda slow
[17:36:23] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: which means healing wishes :3
[17:36:29] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and no need to run latias
[17:36:37] +xFakestreet: Bisharp and weavile stick out as problems once we do that.
[17:36:49] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: true
[17:37:03] %Panther5001 ✔✔: esp bisharp
[17:37:16] +xFakestreet: Keldeo?
[17:37:23] +xFakestreet: If we run scarf rachi
[17:37:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: that could work
[17:37:29] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Yea
[17:37:37] +xFakestreet: Although that makes the keldeo switchin rotom
[17:37:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if so id definitely say hp electric
[17:37:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait keldeo replaces what?
[17:37:46] +xFakestreet: Which is ew
[17:37:56] +xFakestreet: latias in this case :/
[17:37:57] +xFakestreet: Which isnt good
[17:38:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ud lose defog
[17:38:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: u could do
[17:38:06] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: scarf rachi>ferro and keld>rotom
[17:38:16] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: u lose an azu switch in but thats what tbolt lati could be for
[17:38:39] %Panther5001 ✔✔: yea i agree with that
[17:38:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: with hp electric keld maybe as an option
[17:38:54] +xFakestreet: Not bad
[17:39:08] +xFakestreet: Hp elec kinda needed to bait gyara etc
[17:39:22] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah i was mostly looking at gyara
[17:39:31] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: in general waters for volc
[17:39:40] +xFakestreet: Yeah because we dont have giga drain
[17:39:45] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mhm
[17:39:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: or passho (which is run with giga drain usually anyways)
[17:40:11] +xFakestreet: Yeah, but then gotta power through heatran
[17:40:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: volc suffers from that issue, so its really team dependent on what coverage u run
[17:40:57] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: on volc that is
[17:40:57] +xFakestreet: yeah
[17:41:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think thats it really, anything else u guys see?
[17:42:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: the team looks absurdly fun not gonna lie oo
[17:42:21] %Panther5001 ✔✔: No, I think that's about it. I have nothing else to add.
[17:42:25] %Panther5001 ✔✔: you love volc don't you lol
[17:42:33] +xFakestreet: You're welcome to try it
[17:42:38] +xFakestreet: See if you can put your own spin
[17:42:43] +xFakestreet: So what do we have to end on>?
[17:43:04] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: scarf rachi>ferro, hp elec keld>rotom, tbolt on lati?
[17:43:10] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: am i missing anything
[17:43:12] +xFakestreet: As or Os?
[17:43:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: os
[17:43:23] +xFakestreet: Ok,
[17:43:31] +xFakestreet: Item on keld, specs is so boring xD
[17:43:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ~~expert belt if u wanna be a rebel~~
[17:43:59] +xFakestreet: I miss ebelt keldeo in gen 5
[17:44:26] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Any of the boosting plates works here as well if you don't wanna run specs (though I would)
[17:44:41] +xFakestreet: Just because we have HP elec
[17:44:48] +xFakestreet: Feels like we wanna make use of it
[17:45:30] +xFakestreet: We could even go full P2 and run Thunder Latios ~~then miss on a Slowbro~~
[17:45:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: like if u dont wanna be locked into a move use ebelt since this team wouldnt wanna use lo cuz keld is our dark check
[17:45:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: with 2 psychics on the team
[17:45:56] %Panther5001 ✔✔: or splash/fighting plate
[17:45:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: omfg
[17:46:03] %Panther5001 ✔✔: :]
[17:46:22] +xFakestreet: Fist* plate
[17:46:23] +xFakestreet: But yeah
[17:46:26] +xFakestreet: I wanna try belt
[17:46:29] +xFakestreet: because heat
[17:46:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: okay sure, personally id use specs but belts cool >w<
[17:46:47] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: is that it?
[17:46:52] %Panther5001 ✔✔: from my end, yea
[17:47:03] +xFakestreet: Yeah, I think so. We kept volc and Diancie the same?
[17:47:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
[17:47:11] %Panther5001 ✔✔: roger
[17:47:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: anyways panther is that the last team?
[17:47:19] %Panther5001 ✔✔: That is
[17:47:19] +xFakestreet: You wanna take this for a spin Sado?
[17:47:25] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: nah i need a nap
[17:47:50] %Panther5001 ✔✔: Thanks for everyone who helped out today and for those who submitted teams. That's it for the workshop!
[17:48:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh do u need a mod chat off
[17:48:48] +xFakestreet: We dropped roost on latios right?
[17:48:53] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i would drop psyshock
[17:48:59] +xFakestreet: Ok
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