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zondag 3 februari 2013
20:53 - lwf: hi
20:53 - this.XKLL: hello, I'm Casual on etf2l and I thought I'd contact you in regard of my plugin
20:53 - lwf: oh
20:54 - lwf: okay?
20:54 - this.XKLL: uhm since I think I overreacted a bit on etf2l I thought that maybe we could work something out that would help everyone
20:54 - lwf: sounds interesting
20:55 - this.XKLL: first, I'm going to assume there's manual work involved in banning the people setting their fov setting outside of the valve restricted range?
20:55 - this.XKLL: (since your banlist mentions an admin name and not 'CONSOLE' or w/e)
20:56 - lwf: yes. in fact, i considered stopping because it was too much work. for a long time there were only a few players doing it so they were warned and such. lately however there has been a huge increase in popularity.
20:56 - this.XKLL: well
20:56 - this.XKLL: I've seen you guys use SMAC on your pub servers
20:56 - this.XKLL: you can configure smac to automate this checking
20:57 - lwf: i know, i disabled smac banning, though admins has been pushing for me to enable it
20:57 - lwf: just commented out that function. like to go through the log and verify everything we can.
20:57 - this.XKLL: well, I just wanted to suggest using its convar checker to kick people for fov_desired outside [75,90] range
20:57 - lwf: but it has increased all over
20:58 - this.XKLL: (since it works automatically there would be no reason to ban people, just a friendly request to change back if they want to play on your server)
20:58 - this.XKLL: (documentation: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showpost.php?p=1561689&postcount=3 )
20:58 - this.XKLL: smac_addcvar fov_desired between kick 75 90
20:58 - this.XKLL: in your server.cfg
20:59 - this.XKLL: should auto kick everyone who has it outside that range
20:59 - lwf: indeed
20:59 - lwf: and i assume then you won't modify the plugin to fake cvar values?
20:59 - this.XKLL: yes
20:59 - lwf: i didn't expect that from you at all
20:59 - lwf: in fact i expected it would have been patched many months ago
21:00 - lwf: i've already seen the code for faking it
21:00 - this.XKLL: well, I thought about it but reconsidered because I'm trying to help out the competitive community
21:00 - this.XKLL: and there would be no point in trying to get people to run something that can easily be considered and actual cheat
21:00 - this.XKLL: far better would be to just talk about all concerned parties to come to a solution everyone can agree with
21:01 - lwf: sounds resonable
21:01 - lwf: i found a problem with the 75 to 90 range though
21:01 - lwf: tried that before
21:01 - this.XKLL: oh?
21:01 - lwf: the range is funny you see
21:01 - lwf: the engine limits at 75 to 90
21:01 - lwf: however, the cvar is 20 to 90
21:02 - lwf: so you can set it to lower than 75 with a fully legit client
21:02 - lwf: but it will be limited to 75 in practice
21:02 - this.XKLL: didn't know that, sec
21:02 - lwf: found that out the hard way
21:03 - this.XKLL: yeah the server clamps it to 75; 90
21:03 - lwf: another problem with unclamping fov is amby zooming
21:03 - this.XKLL: well, since it would just kick it wouldn't be a huge problem
21:03 - lwf: true
21:03 - this.XKLL: yeah but that's been in the game since launch
21:03 - lwf: didn't think about that
21:03 - this.XKLL: and never 'fixed' either
21:03 - this.XKLL: (I'm assumking you mean scripts to toggle between 75-90)
21:03 - this.XKLL: (for a quick small zoom)
21:04 - lwf: no, that's fine
21:04 - lwf: i mean toggling between say, 20 and 90
21:04 - lwf: or 20 and whatever
21:04 - lwf: which isn't possible without unclamping, but the cvar will be stored anyway
21:04 - lwf: and as such, detected by smac, even though it may or may not do anything
21:05 - this.XKLL: my plugin actually only increases the upper bound
21:05 - this.XKLL: so you could adjust the lower bound for smac to kick to 20
21:05 - lwf: i reported it valve anyway, not fixed of course
21:05 - this.XKLL: (or just tell people to update their script to make it say 75)
21:08 - lwf: if you don't mind me asking, why help (whatever our ideas about what helping is) the comp scene?
21:08 - lwf: bad conscience for the damage to pubs?
21:08 - this.XKLL: nah
21:09 - this.XKLL: I just have all the knowledge of how source engine / client works
21:09 - this.XKLL: might as well get some positive rep by making plugins for them
21:11 - lwf: i can understand that. i don't know the history of it but i presume p-rec could have started out similarly.
21:12 - this.XKLL: well, I did help orange a bit when it came down to fixing the old outdated sdk
21:12 - this.XKLL: (and provided fixes for when an update broke it)
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22:12 - lwf: anyhow, about your proposal. not sure if i said it, but it sounds good, i'll ask what the rest of the team (s3 basically) thinks
22:12 - this.XKLL: alright
22:12 - lwf: i've held you up for a while
22:12 - this.XKLL: 's ok, I like to talk to interesting people
22:12 - this.XKLL: and honestly I didn't expect it to go like this :p
22:18 - lwf: someone asks; why? just so you can claim nobody gets banned by using it?
22:18 - lwf: i will make it so nonetheless
22:18 - this.XKLL: I'm upset that people are getting banned for it and I'm (somewhat) responsible
22:19 - this.XKLL: while I have the power to prevent that I'd rather work something out that helps everyone
22:19 - this.XKLL: (because of the whole trying to play nice because I don't want to publish a 'cheat' for comp players to use)
22:20 - this.XKLL: also because it allows me to claim I'm a responsible adult
22:20 - this.XKLL: :p