"Page 7, Post #1":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=7#posts-6400040

I point out how games won't be badged if they're not rated highly, since the "community as a whole" likes them. I also pointed out how that sucks, but it's how the system works.

"Page #8, Post #2":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=8#posts-6411671

I reply to a quote about indy developers getting no love by pointing out that Race The Sun was badged and front paged.

"Page #9, Post #3":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=9#posts-6420184

I reply to Senekis93, sarcastically pointing out that Kongregate is a business.

"Page #9, Post #4":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=9#posts-6420633

I point out how energy-based games don't seem to be doing very well (in my opinion). I use Zynga as an example of that, since Zynga is doing badly.

Sources for my Zynga reference:

"#1":http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/facebook-zynga-intel-mobile_n_1983493.html?utm_hp_ref=technology - "#2":http://www.technologyreview.com/news/429637/zynga-may-be-in-slumps-ville-but-social-games-are/ - "#3":http://www.decryptedtech.com/news/zynga-bets-the-farm-on-farmville-2

So, I was making an off hand comment. I won't even get into EA or Zynga's stock.

"Page #10, Post #5":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=10#posts-6425183

Make an off-hand comment about how no one would defend a proposed system.

"Page #11, Post #6":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=11#posts-6450948

Again, an off-hand comment about Senekis93 making an apparent Cracked.com reference.

"Page #11, Post #7":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=11#posts-6454733

This is when I actually start getting fairly active in the discussion, 11 pages in. I point out how the front page ads are pretty reasonable.

"Page #12, Post #8":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6468895

I point out how it's been a while since MMOs were badged.

"Page #12, Post #9":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6469905

Respond to Pykrete about "silent majority".

"Page #12, Post #10":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6470376

Point how how no MMO is on the first page of /badges, and point out the 3 reasons why it's not really a big deal.

"Page #12, Post #11":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6470624

Ask wattro why he wants to dwell on the past.

"Page #12, Post #12":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6471334

Ask you for evidence.

"Page #12, Post #13":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6471361

Make my observation about ratings.

"Page #12, Post #14":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6471393

Point out there's no different then people that rate a game highly just because of who made it (see: Flipline).

"Page #12, Post #15":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6471412

Again, quoting Senekis93 and sarcastically pointing out how Kongregate is a business.

"Page #12, Post #16":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/261944-mmos-are-ruining-kongregate?page=12#posts-6475161

I tell you that I'm waiting, after you had posted twice since I asked you for evidence.

So, you're totally right. My 16 posts are actually 30. The +6 pages of the thread that I didn't comment on at first, doesn't count. My 16 posts is not 5.31% of the thread, it's actually the +30 posts and is over 10% of the entire thread!

Let's look at the content of my posts now, shall we? Since we've already established that you've completely overexaggerated the quantity of my posts, let's examine the quality.

Number of posts completely off-topic: 1 (#6) - 6.25%
Number of posts pointing out that Kongregate is a business: 2 (#3, #12) - 12.5%
Number of posts making off-handed remarks/comments/observations: 7 (#1, #2, #4, #5, #8, #10, #12) - We might disagree on the defintion of off-hand remarks, but it cannot be argued that my posts are neither detailed or lengthy. - 43.75%
Number of posts that are responding to what someone else said: 3 (#9, #11, #16) - 18.75%

Okay, now that we've looked at that, let's look at the rest of your post and analyse that.

<blockquote>all attacking anyone who dares to challenge our glorious MMO overlords.</blockquote>

I'd like to see a URL to a post of mine where I do this. I didn't come across any of my posts where I attacked anyone, at all. I think the closest thing that can be interpreted as attacking, I guess, is when I said that no one would defend the system. I'm also pretty sure that the poster even acknoledged that; so, if anything, I'm agreeing, not attacking. I'm confused here, please clear this up.

<blockquote>It’s circumstantial, but this is the god damn internet, and you post like you have an agenda.</blockquote>

Really? I do? I missed that also. Please walk me through that.

<blockquote>I could just as easily ask you to prove that you aren’t a viral marketer or a developer.</blockquote>

I've missed the part, completely, where you feel like I'm a marketer or an (MMO?) developer. Please walk me through your train of thought that made you reach this conclusion. I'm very curious as to how you decided this.

<blockquote>I could see you being a realist who’s tired of responding to stupid kids complaining, but these are legitimate complaints from a good part of the userbase.</blockquote>

I'm definitely a realist. I'm a student of business, so I can't but "see it through Kongregate's perspective":http://www.kongregate.com/forums/1-kongregate/topics/279110, even a little bit. Yeah, the complaints have been pretty stupid. Not the people making them, but the bitching complaints. Why do I think they're stupid? Well.

<blockquote>You’re just dismissing everything, like we should be happy to see Berserk and other shitty games like it on the front page thirty times.</blockquote>

Well, I'm not dismissing them, I'm being realistic. I'm pointing out that these developers are working 100% within the systems Kongregate has in place. I pointed out that ratings get static very quickly (usually with approximately 5,000 rates), so having a large number of ratings isn't quite necessary. Have I pointed out alternatives? Absolutely not! But that's only because I can't think of any.

What alternatives have you suggested? :)

<blockquote>Kongregate has the right to put it on the front page. We have the right to complain or move to another site.</blockquote>

When did I ever say otherwise? Just as much as you have a right to complain, I have a right to post my opinions as well. But, actually. Funny thought, do we even *really* have a right to complain? Or do we just think we do? ;)