cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:02 PM
@DG9 you're aware that neither the chomp replay or the ray replay are indicative of stakeout being a problem?
tegrof19 - Today at 7:02 PM
dg is aware of the fact that we're all useless because we don't agree
xd
DG9 - Today at 7:02 PM
really? cause you're the first person to say that
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:03 PM
and I kinda agree with sl that steelworker kart or belly kart both had a better mu than stakeout kart
man does sl have to be so condescending in his posts
tegrof19 - Today at 7:04 PM
but really who's more condescending, dg or sl
not that it matters
DG9 - Today at 7:07 PM
how am i condescending
please explain so i can improve my posts in the future!
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:09 PM
pls, you're having a shitty attitude right here
in the 2 replies you just did
ur post is cool tho
DG9 - Today at 7:09 PM
in the first one yes(edited)
the second one i wasnt having a shit attitude(edited)
but sl was an ass when he responded
so yes i was half an ass back in the first response
how was the second one a shitty attitude
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:11 PM
I could still see your points despite your attitude or whatsoever
but not everyone will understand your point
if you keep the same way tbh
:quag - Today at 7:11 PM
i tried to be nicer this time
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:11 PM
not trying to be rude or anything
DG9 - Today at 7:12 PM
i brought up different points but maintained the same idea
i dont expect everyone to understand the points either
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:14 PM
I mean stakeout is broken af on paper but it hasn't evolved to the point og being a huge problem yet aside from with pdon
DG9 - Today at 7:14 PM
@:quag the point of U-Turn on Pherosma is you are getting a free pivot while dealing big damage
weakening mons for other mons to sweep
that's like the only appeal to Pherosma
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:15 PM
pheromosa stall is just weird
:quag - Today at 7:15 PM
i mean at that point just run adapt or smth
DG9 - Today at 7:15 PM
that wasnt stall
and @:quag the v-create miss in the first replay didnt matter
and the only bad plays came from Semako, and since you posted replays with him in it, I figured I could post them too(edited)
:quag - Today at 7:16 PM
lemme calc
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:16 PM
Why dont you both stop your dis on each other(edited)
and actually try to
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:16 PM
scarf jolly don without ability
DG9 - Today at 7:16 PM
im not dissing him?
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:16 PM
okay then
DG9 - Today at 7:16 PM
lmao
:quag - Today at 7:17 PM
the main problem I have with that replay is
like
DG9 - Today at 7:17 PM
im arguing his points he made against me
whats the problem with that
is that not the point of having a viability thread
:quag - Today at 7:17 PM
the guy literally left his wincon in on diancie
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:17 PM
ik
DG9 - Today at 7:17 PM
they played before
he knew the diancie had uturn
:quag - Today at 7:17 PM
yeah but
DG9 - Today at 7:18 PM
draeg clicked that knowing he clicks uturn
:quag - Today at 7:18 PM
it doesn't really speak for the broken ness of stakeout
if you need to make plays like that
DG9 - Today at 7:18 PM
you dont need to
he did because he knew the play
he didnt have to make the play for stakeout to work
but he did which ended up making it a favorable situation
:quag - Today at 7:19 PM
if he mispredicted, he lost chomp
DG9 - Today at 7:20 PM
but he didnt
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:20 PM
^
:quag - Today at 7:20 PM
i don't agree with that play but
DG9 - Today at 7:20 PM
but it worked
:quag - Today at 7:20 PM
if he made it, wouldn't he deserve the win?
or at least that favorable position
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:21 PM
that played litteraly had no impact on the battle
he missed the next move
:quag - Today at 7:21 PM
it was high risk high reward
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:21 PM
so using that play as evidence of anything is not relevant
DG9 - Today at 7:21 PM
i dont know what you want me to do
are you wanting me to explain the god play of draeg
:quag - Today at 7:22 PM
smh
DG9 - Today at 7:22 PM
cause that's a complex mindset
:quag - Today at 7:22 PM
i have had enough of that guy and his shade
DG9 - Today at 7:23 PM
well there's the problem
you don't like the example I used cause it involves someone you dislike, and the reason I assume stems from the battle where you two met on the ladder and you said before the battle started something similar to: "let's see why you got drafted over me" then he proceeded to beat you and make a snide comment in response to your snide comment before the battle
:quag - Today at 7:25 PM
it wasn't that
it was this
turn 9
☆raegn: how did u even get that rank?
like who says that after they dodge a vcreate
DG9 - Today at 7:26 PM
he says that in response to Semako claiming that mattered
when it didn't
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:26 PM
what are you even trying to say anyway
:quag - Today at 7:27 PM
there was no reason to say that
DG9 - Today at 7:27 PM
was he supposed to just take Semako's shit then?
:quag - Today at 7:27 PM
he could just say "it didn't kill"
???
DG9 - Today at 7:27 PM
Semako then tried to respond to draeg saying that though claiming it changed something in the battle
when it didnt
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:28 PM
am i the only one who has hard time deriving points from your conversation
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:28 PM
blame sl
DG9 - Today at 7:28 PM
so when something didnt matter, but a big deal was being made of it, draeg responded questioning how he got that high on the ladder
i dont get how this is relevant
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:29 PM
because apparently stakeout is not good because the ppl who use it make snarky comments on ladder
but the thing is dg9, is stakeout chomp really worth running over standard adapt?
:quag - Today at 7:30 PM
well you were the one who said that i disliked that guy because of our fight on the ladder
it was the replay
DG9 - Today at 7:30 PM
its the same concept lol
that was to sl42 not motherlove
:quag - Today at 7:30 PM
either way pdon could've clicked ice hammer etc
DG9 - Today at 7:30 PM
and motherlove, idk if it is worth running over adapt, but the fact that it makes you question is noteworthy
:quag - Today at 7:31 PM
stakeout did not reliably win in that replay
DG9 - Today at 7:31 PM
what pdon couldve clicked ice hammer?
:quag - Today at 7:31 PM
yeah lots of pdon run that
DG9 - Today at 7:31 PM
no i mean
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:31 PM
standard adapt chomp
DG9 - Today at 7:31 PM
what pdon are you talking about
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:31 PM
can ohko zyggy after rock
:quag - Today at 7:31 PM
the one that used vcreate
DG9 - Today at 7:31 PM
why does that matter
:quag - Today at 7:32 PM
it matters because it's another instance where
draegn put his chomp at risk
paid off but
DG9 - Today at 7:32 PM
again
why does it matter
:quag - Today at 7:33 PM
it doesn't really show stakeout being broken
DG9 - Today at 7:33 PM
that draeg makes god plays
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:33 PM
he's not running ice hammer, they battled before, he most likely knows the set
etc etc
:quag - Today at 7:33 PM
the plays are why he won
not stakeout
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:33 PM
cteam etc etc
DG9 - Today at 7:33 PM
so there's the point
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:33 PM
csteam eruption teambuilding etc etc
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:34 PM
bruh, cmon
lemme grab the replay again
because if he knows the set it's not a play, it's a safe move
and the first play did not matter
because he didn't get a hit off
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:34 PM
post it her
let me see what was going on
DG9 - Today at 7:34 PM
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-589298966
knowing he didn't have Ice Hammer vs don makes the replay make all that more sense
the only drawback of going for Draco in either of those situations is if he went Diancie
and why would any sane human go Diancie
:quag - Today at 7:36 PM
what kind of dumb scarf pdon doesn't have ice coverage
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:37 PM
What the fuck
is this dual stakeout team
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:37 PM
dual stab / trick / pivot
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:37 PM
or is pdon tinted/
?
:quag - Today at 7:37 PM
you need to beat ray
DG9 - Today at 7:37 PM
idk if he wants me dropping his sets in here
cultured hypocrite - Today at 7:37 PM
dual stakeout would be redundant as fuk
RNGIsFatal - Today at 7:37 PM
okay about that v create miss
252 Atk Groudon-Primal V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Garchomp-Mega: 135-159 (32.1 - 37.8%) -- 94% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Garchomp-Mega: 148-174 (35.2 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
even if it was hit it didnt matter
with life orb recoil
it would still live
DG9 - Today at 7:38 PM
exactly