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  1. [2011-12-02 18:54:34] -->| YOU (Ironybot) have joined #golemquest
  2. [2011-12-02 18:54:34] =-= Topic for #golemquest is ``Current thread: http://goo.gl/coZQj | Disc Thread: http://goo.gl/p0wsG | Wiki: http://goo.gl/LB2hZ | Guns: http://goo.gl/LEhh5 | Guns Disc: http://goo.gl/7Tq3r | Dreamer: http://goo.gl/PeLnk || http://goo.gl/U3JE3''
  3. [2011-12-02 18:54:34] =-= Topic for #golemquest was set by ChicagoTed on Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:05:00 AM
  4. [2011-12-02 19:06:14] -->| mib_owya6x (cgiirc@Rizon-FEEBE4F2.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #golemquest
  5. [2011-12-02 19:20:57] * Samar drops a pin
  6. [2011-12-02 19:21:36] <MrTT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvQFnSnhg7U
  7. [2011-12-02 19:21:53] <MrTT> the US government has a message for you
  8. [2011-12-02 19:22:59] <MrTT> piracy causes child slavery
  9. [2011-12-02 19:23:31] <Ironybot> Well, I am glad to say that I have no need of that advertisement. "Don't buy counterfeits", they say, and I never do.
  10. [2011-12-02 19:23:37] <Ironybot> I get all my illegal goods for free online.
  11. [2011-12-02 19:23:41] -->| Guile (cgiirc@Rizon-7195BB4E.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #golemquest
  12. [2011-12-02 19:24:01] <Ironybot> Clearly I am doing my part to fight against crime.
  13. [2011-12-02 19:24:53] <Arkeus> lol
  14. [2011-12-02 19:25:17] <Guile> truly Irony, you are an inspiration to us all
  15. [2011-12-02 19:25:48] <Ironybot> Thank you. I try to be a model of proper action to my peers.
  16. [2011-12-02 19:36:15] <MrTT> nice one ironybot
  17. [2011-12-02 19:44:29] <BUTTZ> http://202.61.19.113/3d/CgiStart?page=Single
  18. [2011-12-02 19:44:37] <BUTTZ> Look at those little toilets!
  19. [2011-12-02 19:49:15] <MrTT> oh those crazy japanese
  20. [2011-12-02 19:50:44] <Guile> I hear they have toilet-cleaning robots over there now
  21. [2011-12-02 19:51:13] -->| Wutenheimer (~Wut@wut.wut.wut.wut) has joined #golemquest
  22. [2011-12-02 20:06:11] <Wutenheimer> dead in here eh?
  23. [2011-12-02 20:07:00] <Shifter35> You'ld need a Viking Lander to find life in this channel.
  24. [2011-12-02 20:19:08] -->| TheBeardiestBob (~Mibbit@Rizon-782A7F7C.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #golemquest
  25. [2011-12-02 20:19:15] <Arkeus> hey bob
  26. [2011-12-02 20:19:19] <Arkeus> internet pb yesterday?
  27. [2011-12-02 20:19:40] <Arkeus> bob god you must use that: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2070
  28. [2011-12-02 20:19:50] <TheBeardiestBob> It was windy enough that actual cables disconnected externally
  29. [2011-12-02 20:19:54] <TheBeardiestBob> There was little I could do.
  30. [2011-12-02 20:19:55] <Samar> sounds like shit Tesla would do.
  31. [2011-12-02 20:20:42] <Guile> TESLA has it in for bob.
  32. [2011-12-02 20:21:11] <Arkeus> Samar, Guile: look at link
  33. [2011-12-02 20:22:15] <Samar> I was referring to the link
  34. [2011-12-02 20:22:20] <Samar> if that was not clear
  35. [2011-12-02 20:22:25] <A_Mad_Oyster> Maybe Tesla doesn't like having his secrets revealed
  36. [2011-12-02 20:22:34] <Arkeus> Samar: ah
  37. [2011-12-02 20:22:54] <TheBeardiestBob> Tesla would refuse to use the name Gary: The first letter of that name is SUSPICIOUSLY ORB-LIKE
  38. [2011-12-02 20:23:10] <TheBeardiestBob> Tesla can deal with lower case letters of circular persusasion.
  39. [2011-12-02 20:23:16] <TheBeardiestBob> But CAPITAL LETTERS?
  40. [2011-12-02 20:23:19] <TheBeardiestBob> NAY!
  41. [2011-12-02 20:23:32] <Arkeus> lol
  42. [2011-12-02 20:23:35] <Arkeus> :D
  43. [2011-12-02 20:23:45] <Shifter35> Ahahaha, our eye man, tesla and big will love it.
  44. [2011-12-02 20:23:48] <Arkeus> So, liked Hisoka being awesome?
  45. [2011-12-02 20:23:51] <Ironybot> Tesla's mind has gone a bit curious since his ascension to a being of pure electricity.
  46. [2011-12-02 20:23:55] <TheBeardiestBob> Tesla HATES emoticons unless they're the square type.
  47. [2011-12-02 20:24:01] <Arkeus> square type?
  48. [2011-12-02 20:24:06] <Shifter35> :}
  49. [2011-12-02 20:24:15] <TheBeardiestBob> Have you never seen the square type emoticons?
  50. [2011-12-02 20:24:28] <Arkeus> btw bob, it will make me vote to run to iceland, but will Columbo appear?
  51. [2011-12-02 20:24:37] <Arkeus> i can't help but picture him helping adelat
  52. [2011-12-02 20:24:39] <Arkeus> *shudder*
  53. [2011-12-02 20:24:51] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: no, never heard of it
  54. [2011-12-02 20:25:15] <Shifter35> They were on my old school network.
  55. [2011-12-02 20:25:25] <Arkeus> OH
  56. [2011-12-02 20:25:28] <Arkeus> emoticons
  57. [2011-12-02 20:25:29] <Arkeus> right
  58. [2011-12-02 20:25:33] <Arkeus> yes, i saw them
  59. [2011-12-02 20:25:34] <TheBeardiestBob> http://www.wimp.com/buildingprojection/
  60. [2011-12-02 20:25:35] * Arkeus facepalm
  61. [2011-12-02 20:26:29] -->| MrazyCan (cgiirc@Rizon-A3D3D9F7.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #golemquest
  62. [2011-12-02 20:27:16] <MrazyCan> ahoy!
  63. [2011-12-02 20:27:24] <TheBeardiestBob> AVAST
  64. [2011-12-02 20:30:37] |<-- Arkeus has left irc.rizon.net (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  65. [2011-12-02 20:30:40] -->| Arkeus (~Arkeus@62A1D920.F48C0921.9F2BF9A8.IP) has joined #golemquest
  66. [2011-12-02 20:34:08] <TheBeardiestBob> Fun fact:
  67. [2011-12-02 20:34:21] <TheBeardiestBob> That mercury like substance on that reaper's arm stump?
  68. [2011-12-02 20:34:25] <TheBeardiestBob> That was Dimethylmercury
  69. [2011-12-02 20:34:38] <Dart666> would our MMMMMMM help us with organ graft?
  70. [2011-12-02 20:34:50] <TheBeardiestBob> In what sense Dar?
  71. [2011-12-02 20:34:51] <TheBeardiestBob> Dart?
  72. [2011-12-02 20:35:16] <Arkeus> making our body believe they 'belong' maybe
  73. [2011-12-02 20:35:16] <Guile> trick our body into not rejecting the graft
  74. [2011-12-02 20:35:16] <Dart666> in integrating it without the drugs
  75. [2011-12-02 20:35:47] <Ironybot> Dimethylmercury, the incredibly nasty neurotoxin? How was the Reaper not dead, when none of his charms were any kind of anti-poison?
  76. [2011-12-02 20:35:47] <TheBeardiestBob> Not unless you got to the point you were able to consciously manipulate those facets of bodily function you reference.
  77. [2011-12-02 20:35:53] <Guile> not that we'd really need a graft unless it was like a demon arm, and then we're venturing into 'losing humanity quite literally' territory
  78. [2011-12-02 20:36:10] <Arkeus> agree with guile
  79. [2011-12-02 20:36:10] <Guile> Irony: wat
  80. [2011-12-02 20:36:16] <Arkeus> more interested into learning flesh magic
  81. [2011-12-02 20:36:38] <Arkeus> i think with flesh magic ° red cap footwork + hummingbird spirit animal we might hae stable super speed
  82. [2011-12-02 20:36:44] <TheBeardiestBob> Because the mercury only applies when a wound that will be fatal is detected, and at that point, the Titancorp mindset is 'if you must die, kill every fucker that tries to take our companies shit from you while dying'
  83. [2011-12-02 20:36:51] <Dart666> didn't we want siren vocal cords?
  84. [2011-12-02 20:37:05] <Guile> I just want those illusion charms, plus enough blood magic to interface with Irony's Heart
  85. [2011-12-02 20:37:11] <TheBeardiestBob> He'd had it covering the stump for less than six minutes when he was killed.
  86. [2011-12-02 20:37:24] <Arkeus> Guile: you don't want to learn flesh magic?
  87. [2011-12-02 20:37:24] <Guile> I dunno what co call the basic version, but obviously SB's reflection of it would be called the Heart of Darkness
  88. [2011-12-02 20:37:37] <Guile> Eh. I wouldnt turn it down, but I wouldnt seek it out, either
  89. [2011-12-02 20:37:39] <Arkeus> ahah
  90. [2011-12-02 20:37:45] <TheBeardiestBob> And while it is immensely toxic-it is also one of those asshole style 'fuck you you won't know you're poisoned until it's too late' substances.
  91. [2011-12-02 20:37:58] <TheBeardiestBob> That can get you through latex, and most forms of conventional 'protective' wear
  92. [2011-12-02 20:38:05] <Guile> seems like the kinda thing that would strip our humanity more than most magics, Ark
  93. [2011-12-02 20:38:09] <Arkeus> Guile: well, flesh magic is one of our two bloodline
  94. [2011-12-02 20:38:10] <TheBeardiestBob> you need multilayered defenses to avoid corruption by that stuff.
  95. [2011-12-02 20:38:14] <Arkeus> not seeking it is kind og a waste
  96. [2011-12-02 20:38:23] <Ironybot> Also, given the fact that dimethylmercury is known to become a vapor when exposed to air and take months to kill people... are all the Triads horribly poisoned?
  97. [2011-12-02 20:38:29] <Arkeus> of course, i still think it's flesh magic depandent on the cannibalism concept
  98. [2011-12-02 20:38:44] <Dart666> don't care about humanity
  99. [2011-12-02 20:38:53] <Arkeus> Guile: nottalking baout amen making us a new body
  100. [2011-12-02 20:38:54] <Ironybot> I would guess that the presence of Sake around our neck would provide at least some protection for us.
  101. [2011-12-02 20:38:55] <Guile> welp... good to know, but they do have magic healers
  102. [2011-12-02 20:38:59] <Ironybot> And probably for himself.
  103. [2011-12-02 20:39:01] <Arkeus> talking about armas learning his own flesh magic
  104. [2011-12-02 20:39:06] <TheBeardiestBob> WHY YES IRONYBOT, of the surviving Triads, all the disciples save Go Ping and 60% of the survivors are poisoned
  105. [2011-12-02 20:39:46] <Guile> so Lo Fang wasnt exaggerating when he said he was gonna be busy
  106. [2011-12-02 20:39:46] <Arkeus> save go ping?
  107. [2011-12-02 20:39:48] <Arkeus> why?
  108. [2011-12-02 20:39:50] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: awesome
  109. [2011-12-02 20:40:00] <Arkeus> Now we must check if we are poisoned
  110. [2011-12-02 20:40:11] <Guile> ... how?
  111. [2011-12-02 20:40:16] <BUTTZ> Go Ping probably learned from the donneagas fight
  112. [2011-12-02 20:40:17] <Arkeus> and we might make lo fang pay the heavy price for healing his guy
  113. [2011-12-02 20:40:17] <Guile> what are the symptoms?
  114. [2011-12-02 20:40:20] <Arkeus> if we can
  115. [2011-12-02 20:40:22] <BUTTZ> And got himself some poison protection
  116. [2011-12-02 20:40:25] <TheBeardiestBob> Go Ping because he's actually smart enough to GET A POISON AND TOXIN RESISTING CHARM WHEN HE AGREES TO HELP SOMEONE HUNT A POISONOUS MONSTER
  117. [2011-12-02 20:40:27] <TheBeardiestBob> LOOK AT THAT
  118. [2011-12-02 20:40:38] <Arkeus> AAHAH
  119. [2011-12-02 20:40:41] <BUTTZ> Hi5
  120. [2011-12-02 20:40:42] <Arkeus> like we should have done
  121. [2011-12-02 20:40:48] <Arkeus> but we BROKE IT
  122. [2011-12-02 20:40:49] <Guile> oh, hey, maybe our Doony potion we accidentally injected ourself with was some help
  123. [2011-12-02 20:40:50] <Arkeus> :-(
  124. [2011-12-02 20:40:53] <Ironybot> We did, it was just more specialized because we're a cheapskate.
  125. [2011-12-02 20:40:58] <Arkeus> Guile: oh, cool
  126. [2011-12-02 20:40:59] <Dart666> i always thought of humanity as something to be overcome, rather then something to become attached to
  127. [2011-12-02 20:41:08] <Arkeus> Ironybot: well, it was better in some ways
  128. [2011-12-02 20:41:23] <TheBeardiestBob> Depends what your priorities are Dart
  129. [2011-12-02 20:41:24] <Guile> if its just our ability to lie, I'd be okay with losing it. But depending on what they mean by 'free will'...
  130. [2011-12-02 20:41:32] <TheBeardiestBob> Humanity can be handy, or suck majorly, depending.
  131. [2011-12-02 20:41:39] <Arkeus> My problem with completely using humanity is Belief
  132. [2011-12-02 20:41:45] <Arkeus> I don't want to lose that
  133. [2011-12-02 20:41:52] <TheBeardiestBob> losing, I think you meant, instead of using.
  134. [2011-12-02 20:41:59] <Arkeus> lol yeah
  135. [2011-12-02 20:42:01] <Arkeus> :-(
  136. [2011-12-02 20:42:14] <Arkeus> So, could sake heal his disciples?
  137. [2011-12-02 20:42:22] <Arkeus> we might be bale to make him pay the high price for that
  138. [2011-12-02 20:42:25] <TheBeardiestBob> Yes he could as it happens
  139. [2011-12-02 20:42:47] <Guile> here's a weird thought: depending on how magic and science interact with this 'losing humanity' thing, we could make ourselves sterile accidentally and not be able to create the clan
  140. [2011-12-02 20:42:52] <TheBeardiestBob> Be aware though-you have no idea that the mercury like substance was Dimethylmercury
  141. [2011-12-02 20:43:04] <Arkeus> bob: indeed
  142. [2011-12-02 20:43:14] <TheBeardiestBob> Lo Fang will become aware within a week
  143. [2011-12-02 20:43:22] <Guile> oh man, with Sake, our ability to play with poisonous gasses went up a few tiers
  144. [2011-12-02 20:43:29] <Arkeus> Though i think checking with Amen for poisons regularly on our body or people around us could help
  145. [2011-12-02 20:43:41] <Guile> not sterile, excuse me - just can't interbreed with humanity
  146. [2011-12-02 20:43:52] <Arkeus> Guile: doubt it
  147. [2011-12-02 20:43:54] <Arkeus> Dragon can
  148. [2011-12-02 20:43:59] <Arkeus> Doony probably can
  149. [2011-12-02 20:44:01] <Guile> "Hey Amen, poisoned yet?" "Nope." "Cool. Peace."
  150. [2011-12-02 20:44:05] <Arkeus> With flesh magic, we could
  151. [2011-12-02 20:44:07] <Arkeus> so i doubt it
  152. [2011-12-02 20:44:27] <Arkeus> Guile: more like "tell us if we get poisoned"
  153. [2011-12-02 20:44:51] <Arkeus> I guess the way to do it would be to make lo fang aware we have access to a great healer
  154. [2011-12-02 20:44:59] <Arkeus> too bad he didn't see Hllevi heal or something
  155. [2011-12-02 20:45:01] <Arkeus> <_<
  156. [2011-12-02 20:45:03] <A_Mad_Oyster> We'll need some major convincing to have Armas suddenly think of 'poisoning chances' without gaining xp at Paranoia
  157. [2011-12-02 20:45:41] <Guile> Lo Fang probably knows
  158. [2011-12-02 20:45:44] <Guile> given we healed his dudes
  159. [2011-12-02 20:46:18] <Arkeus> Guile: that was sarcasm
  160. [2011-12-02 20:46:59] <TheBeardiestBob> The interesting thing here is that this reveals to the players at least the the Valkonen ice-manipulation derived healing, at least the version Hillevi practices, cannot pick up poisons in the body, only actual existent physical damage
  161. [2011-12-02 20:47:15] <TheBeardiestBob> I phrased that poorly but I think you know what I mean there.
  162. [2011-12-02 20:47:22] <Arkeus> yeah
  163. [2011-12-02 20:47:36] <Arkeus> Unless she just did the basic one
  164. [2011-12-02 20:47:46] <Arkeus> and she has a more advanced version that is more taxing
  165. [2011-12-02 20:47:50] <Ironybot> Well, unless Lo Fang knows that, he might still bring up the matter to us, assuming that his own chakra tricks can't cure the poisoning. Which they might be able to, I suppose.
  166. [2011-12-02 20:47:52] <Guile> yesss.... this IS interesting
  167. [2011-12-02 20:47:58] <Guile> I wonder if Einrik knows this.
  168. [2011-12-02 20:48:02] <Guile> Hint, hint.
  169. [2011-12-02 20:48:30] <TheBeardiestBob> There is no advanced form within Orthodox Jaa Koura Kas Pin
  170. [2011-12-02 20:48:44] <Arkeus> Really? huh
  171. [2011-12-02 20:48:50] <Arkeus> what were those levels about, then?
  172. [2011-12-02 20:49:04] <Arkeus> (level 3 for Hillevi)
  173. [2011-12-02 20:49:08] <Wutenheimer> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/kids_suck_rage.html best kid
  174. [2011-12-02 20:49:34] <Ironybot> Speaking of things that companies want to have happen to their operatives when they're getting shot to bits, when it was posted in the discussion thread that the teleport bit with the heart would work- was that official confirmation, or just agreement with my theorizing and plans?
  175. [2011-12-02 20:50:27] <Arkeus> when was this posted?
  176. [2011-12-02 20:50:32] <TheBeardiestBob> Which bit of it? You had several ideas on that subject as I recall.
  177. [2011-12-02 20:50:41] <Arkeus> i rmemeber it not being posted, i mean, any confrmation
  178. [2011-12-02 20:50:53] <Arkeus> SB *noght*, if he shares all theirs shadows, be able to teleport all of them
  179. [2011-12-02 20:51:01] <Arkeus> but then we'll have a way for them to not die
  180. [2011-12-02 20:51:03] <Arkeus> might
  181. [2011-12-02 20:53:36] <TheBeardiestBob> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/bear_tounge.html
  182. [2011-12-02 20:53:46] <Ironybot> Specifically, I was referring to the idea that the heart's conceptual ability to move things about the body could, if it's built correctly, result in participating members being able to teleport throughout the company's "body", which is essentially also defined by the participating members- meaning that any of us could teleport to any of the others.
  183. [2011-12-02 20:55:28] <TheBeardiestBob> With the caveat of 'if it's built correctly' that you have there, yes. This would be an order of magnitude harder to accomplish above the 'basic' heart idea, though. This difference of crafting difficulty stacks with (include silja) (include SB) (Include Armas), all of which stack in an increasing, non-linear fashion.
  184. [2011-12-02 20:56:09] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: wouldn't it be easier for SB to teleport them instead?
  185. [2011-12-02 20:56:21] <Arkeus> i mean, it would drain him, but easier to do
  186. [2011-12-02 20:57:18] <Ironybot> By "include Armas", you mean "include Armas in a fashion which would consider him more than just any random member of the link", correct? That is, if we decide that he can just be one of the collective would it still be harder to include him?
  187. [2011-12-02 20:57:26] <Guile> We could start with the basic heart and improve functionality later?
  188. [2011-12-02 20:57:27] <TheBeardiestBob> correct Ironybot.
  189. [2011-12-02 20:57:43] <Wutenheimer> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/ThdOo.html
  190. [2011-12-02 20:58:00] <TheBeardiestBob> All of those include options I listed came with the assumption you were looking for some non-standard membership for the members in question.
  191. [2011-12-02 20:58:13] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: would it be possible to 'move' the heart later?
  192. [2011-12-02 20:58:17] <Arkeus> as in, in our train?
  193. [2011-12-02 20:58:27] <Arkeus> Also, about he SB question?
  194. [2011-12-02 20:58:43] <Arkeus> What would be different for Armas if he was a standard member?
  195. [2011-12-02 20:58:50] <Arkeus> I guess it would mess him up
  196. [2011-12-02 20:58:55] <Ironybot> I don't really think that this heart plan is the sort of thing you can slap upgrades on after the fact. My guess is that changing it would be difficult, except insofar as the heart would probably evolve and grow organically as the company itself evolves and grows, due to its conceptual nature.
  197. [2011-12-02 20:58:56] <Guile> How would the increased vitality work with the Heart, anyway? Would the other members have to shunt lifeforce or energy around to the weakened member, or would it simply be 'kill all of us or none of us die'?
  198. [2011-12-02 20:59:56] <Guile> And the teleport works by what we consider 'the company' to include? Members, building space... if we expand our premises later (rent an office or whatever), would that be included?
  199. [2011-12-02 20:59:59] <Shifter35> Likely the former, also lifeforce bleed-outs would possibly occur...
  200. [2011-12-02 21:00:05] <BUTTZ> We should ask Amen to guide us to the swimming pool
  201. [2011-12-02 21:00:57] <Guile> "Well, I must say Amen, the blood fountain is fairly inspired. And the waterfall is quite classy." "Thank you, master."
  202. [2011-12-02 21:00:59] <Ironybot> The company as far as the heart is concerned will likely only include people and things linked to the heart, or possibly also things over which those who are linked to the heart can definitively claim magically binding ownership.
  203. [2011-12-02 21:01:49] <Ironybot> But if we just rent an office there's not really a very strong or reliable link between the company and that, you know?
  204. [2011-12-02 21:02:03] <BUTTZ> So wait, if we're linking SB to the heart then isn't it...
  205. [2011-12-02 21:02:08] <BUTTZ> ...a Heart of Darkness?
  206. [2011-12-02 21:02:14] <Arkeus> Yep
  207. [2011-12-02 21:02:22] <Guile> Also, here's a random thought I had today regarding Border bloodline. If we had a coat with a bunch of square-ish patches cut out, and then back at HQ had a bunch of windows lined up that the russians could poke their guns through... could we bend space so that they're firing from out of our coat?
  208. [2011-12-02 21:02:24] <Arkeus> Ironybot: that's why i am talking about a Train
  209. [2011-12-02 21:02:35] <BUTTZ> Better stay off the Thames then
  210. [2011-12-02 21:03:28] <Guile> *Armas just standing there* *activates Border* *Armas suddenly looks like a gun-porcupine*
  211. [2011-12-02 21:03:54] <Guile> Possibly after someone says something like "You and what army" or "He's not even armed!"
  212. [2011-12-02 21:04:20] <Shifter35> Dude, remember that guy in One Piece that did that?
  213. [2011-12-02 21:04:56] <MrTT> the amulet of gouldur in skyrim sucks balls
  214. [2011-12-02 21:04:59] <Guile> One Piece is that kind of show. But remind me - is that the Capone ripoff guy?
  215. [2011-12-02 21:05:00] <MrTT> much ado about nothing
  216. [2011-12-02 21:05:14] <MrTT> it was made up to be this epic uber amulet that made him the most powerful mage in the land
  217. [2011-12-02 21:05:25] <MrTT> then his sons murdered him for it and each took a fragment of it and it made them super powerful
  218. [2011-12-02 21:05:29] <Shifter35> Ehh, probably.
  219. [2011-12-02 21:05:32] <MrTT> it took massive casualties to kill them
  220. [2011-12-02 21:05:34] <MrTT> and seal it
  221. [2011-12-02 21:05:50] <Guile> Where he's carrying around his entire army, and then they pop out of him and regain full size?
  222. [2011-12-02 21:05:50] <MrTT> ... its an amulet that, when fully assembled, gives +30 HP, +30 mana, +30 stamina
  223. [2011-12-02 21:05:58] <TheBeardiestBob> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/Train_Escape.html
  224. [2011-12-02 21:06:09] <Shifter35> Yep.
  225. [2011-12-02 21:06:11] <Guile> ah, the break between narrative and gameplay
  226. [2011-12-02 21:06:27] =-= Shifter35 is now known as Shifter35away
  227. [2011-12-02 21:06:50] <Guile> most determined man to ever avoid a speeding ticket, bob
  228. [2011-12-02 21:06:53] <MrTT> also, dragon shouts are shitty as hell
  229. [2011-12-02 21:07:01] <MrTT> not nearly as good as real spell
  230. [2011-12-02 21:07:13] <MrTT> dragon rend is shitty as hell forcing a dragon to land, thats it
  231. [2011-12-02 21:07:30] <MrTT> and dragon souls are useless save for learning dragon language... which dragons already know so why do they eat each other's souls?
  232. [2011-12-02 21:08:26] <MrTT> and you never really learn it just gives you 1 word per soul which equals shouts
  233. [2011-12-02 21:08:26] <MrTT> also everyone and his dog seems to be able to use dragon shouts
  234. [2011-12-02 21:08:26] <MrTT> from ulfric to 90% of random deurgar in the crypts
  235. [2011-12-02 21:08:26] <TheBeardiestBob> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/you-just-noticed.html
  236. [2011-12-02 21:10:14] <MrTT> ... that is terrible bob...
  237. [2011-12-02 21:10:21] <MrTT> iam not really bothered by my own body
  238. [2011-12-02 21:11:19] <Guile> I wear my body like an ill-fitting, cheap suit
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  240. [2011-12-02 21:12:53] <BUTTZ> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/Cat_Bird_Battle.html
  241. [2011-12-02 21:13:21] <Arkeus> well
  242. [2011-12-02 21:13:27] <Arkeus> i should have internet in 5 hrs or so
  243. [2011-12-02 21:13:31] <Arkeus> GLORIOUS DAY
  244. [2011-12-02 21:14:21] <BUTTZ> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/icecream-tattoo.html
  245. [2011-12-02 21:14:26] <BUTTZ> I don't even know
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  247. [2011-12-02 21:15:27] <MrTT> his ice cream says brrr
  248. [2011-12-02 21:15:36] <Wutenheimer> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/mlk-inception-top.html
  249. [2011-12-02 21:16:05] <BUTTZ> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/Asian_Otter.html
  250. [2011-12-02 21:16:49] <Guile> I dont pretend to understand how this works, but I think that makes you racist, Buttz. Maybe us too, for watching
  251. [2011-12-02 21:17:09] <BUTTZ> No no, they're just both surprised
  252. [2011-12-02 21:17:19] <Guile> new DKA, bitchin'
  253. [2011-12-02 21:17:26] <Arkeus> a long while ago
  254. [2011-12-02 21:17:42] <Arkeus> [22:17:15] <Arkeus> fuck yeah new dka <== 6hrs ago
  255. [2011-12-02 21:18:16] <Ralith> dka?
  256. [2011-12-02 21:18:29] <Arkeus> Drag king Armas
  257. [2011-12-02 21:18:36] <Ralith> o.O
  258. [2011-12-02 21:19:51] <Guile> Are you saying you arent a little curious, now that we know Amen can make us ANY kind of clothes, Ralith?
  259. [2011-12-02 21:20:08] <BUTTZ> You better word that one reaaaal carefully
  260. [2011-12-02 21:20:17] <Guile> I think from now on our outfits should get progressively more... festive.
  261. [2011-12-02 21:20:17] <Ironybot> One other point of consideration about the heart that I've been thinking on. It has been suggested in two different ways to have a person (or part of a person) act as the heart rather than externalizing it; both Armas and Silja were brought up as options. My concern for this is that it then is likely to become extremely hazardous to send those people into combat. Armas might be able to...
  262. [2011-12-02 21:20:17] <Ironybot> ...regrow his own heart if his chest gets blasted out at this point, but if it's got a huge complex magical artifact implanted in it, then I really don't think it's safe to assume that he can regrow THAT. And it would certainly cause some kind of communications disruption.
  263. [2011-12-02 21:20:42] <BUTTZ> Oh my god we should make a little dress for Silja
  264. [2011-12-02 21:20:44] <Arkeus> Huh
  265. [2011-12-02 21:20:53] <BUTTZ> And then give her blood-eyes
  266. [2011-12-02 21:20:56] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i ... actually think it may be possible to tie it to romaov
  267. [2011-12-02 21:20:59] <Arkeus> INCREDIBLY complex
  268. [2011-12-02 21:21:03] <Arkeus> but it might be possible
  269. [2011-12-02 21:21:15] <Guile> Yeah, not Armas. Silja seems to have a little promise as control tower, just because she's got nothing better to do and we dont really want to risk her in battle now ANYWAY
  270. [2011-12-02 21:21:33] <Ironybot> At the same time, it's much more difficult for an enemy to capture the heart as long as we have it tied into a person directly, for obvious reasons. I just think that we might need to keep whoever we tie into it 100% away from combat, generally.
  271. [2011-12-02 21:21:47] <BUTTZ> A perfect use for Arkvad!
  272. [2011-12-02 21:21:50] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i think we should tie it to our border train
  273. [2011-12-02 21:21:52] <Ironybot> But Silja is going to turn into a terrifying combat beast after she finally becomes person-ish again.
  274. [2011-12-02 21:22:00] <Arkeus> yeah
  275. [2011-12-02 21:22:05] <Arkeus> If she doesn't go be a nun
  276. [2011-12-02 21:23:27] <Ironybot> Making her the heart and then keeping her out of combat will mean massively underutilizing her potential there... unless, of course, we tie her in using a method that somehow links her consumptive abilities into all those who are part of the link, in which case we might be able to somehow let everyone feed Silja remotely- and have the company's collective magics and conceptual strengths grow...
  277. [2011-12-02 21:23:27] <Ironybot> ...stronger because of it. That might be worth the loss of her direct combat power.
  278. [2011-12-02 21:23:57] <Guile> so, I have now discovered the phenomenon of narcocorrido. Lyrics about blood and death and glorifying drug cartels, sounds like mariachi music
  279. [2011-12-02 21:24:02] <Guile> This is going to be a fun concert
  280. [2011-12-02 21:24:18] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Well, keep in mind we might also be able to tie our border rez to her
  281. [2011-12-02 21:24:33] <Arkeus> So that she rez with the heart if it gets destroyed
  282. [2011-12-02 21:24:39] <BUTTZ> Why can't SB be the controller again?
  283. [2011-12-02 21:24:39] <Arkeus> OTOH, i prefer not tying it to a person
  284. [2011-12-02 21:24:45] <Arkeus> but to a Domain
  285. [2011-12-02 21:24:53] <Ironybot> We don't have Border magic and I am STILL not terribly inclined to get it. Because of this, I am discounting any and all plans for the heart which demand having it.
  286. [2011-12-02 21:24:57] <Arkeus> BUTTZ: ooooh
  287. [2011-12-02 21:24:59] <Guile> or if we just tie in the 'idea' of feeding via her, we could have them feed whaitiroi
  288. [2011-12-02 21:25:11] <Wutenheimer> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/yo-dawg-hates-meme.html
  289. [2011-12-02 21:25:47] <Ironybot> What Domain are you thinking you'd want to tie it to, Arkeus?
  290. [2011-12-02 21:25:57] <BUTTZ> Orange
  291. [2011-12-02 21:26:07] <Guile> As I understand it Buttz, SB is going to make his own shadow reflection of the Heart, which will grant him the shadow-volume of 18 people
  292. [2011-12-02 21:26:19] <Guile> the house?
  293. [2011-12-02 21:26:19] <Arkeus> Ironybot: there is a few different options
  294. [2011-12-02 21:26:33] <Arkeus> if we get a real house later, we could tier it to it then
  295. [2011-12-02 21:26:46] <Arkeus> possibly making a estate half in the nevernever faster
  296. [2011-12-02 21:26:51] <Arkeus> (than usual)
  297. [2011-12-02 21:27:01] <Arkeus> or we could tie it to the demi-plane in our eye
  298. [2011-12-02 21:27:10] <Arkeus> but this time, not make it about our eye
  299. [2011-12-02 21:27:22] <Arkeus> so that even if the eye gets destroyed the demi plane stays
  300. [2011-12-02 21:27:25] <BUTTZ> Hey you all should play this game: http://altitudegame.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6904
  301. [2011-12-02 21:27:25] <Arkeus> (and the heart)
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  303. [2011-12-02 21:27:34] <BUTTZ> Because it's planes and pew pew pew
  304. [2011-12-02 21:27:40] <Ironybot> As far as making Shadowbro the center, that would leave us with our company's most important and vulnerable asset well-concealed from most attacks... but it would also leave it incredibly exposed to strikes from an angle in which we have only a single asset, Shadowbro himself.
  305. [2011-12-02 21:28:10] <Guile> Cornelius could basically gut our entire company in one strike
  306. [2011-12-02 21:28:20] <Ironybot> It's not difficult to imagine an enemy sending a hit squad of shadowfiends or what have you at us, and we couldn't stand against them if they only had to get past Shadowbro and then seize the heart.
  307. [2011-12-02 21:28:24] <Arkeus> Ironybot: keep in mind SB would share all the shadows
  308. [2011-12-02 21:28:43] <TheBeardiestBob> It would rather vastly expand Kuvasielo's magic pool with the 'he is now twenty odd shadows' legion-like thing
  309. [2011-12-02 21:28:47] <Ironybot> That increases his volume, meaning potential power and intelligence. It doesn't make him superpowered immediately or somehow invincible.
  310. [2011-12-02 21:28:50] <Guile> which I dont really remember what that does for him
  311. [2011-12-02 21:29:08] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: expand as in 'make it even bigger'
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  313. [2011-12-02 21:29:22] <Arkeus> so not onyl would he get stronger from 20+ shadows, but also from hearT?
  314. [2011-12-02 21:29:23] <Arkeus> mmh
  315. [2011-12-02 21:29:33] <TheBeardiestBob> Both in potential and the immediate-moreso the former.
  316. [2011-12-02 21:29:36] <A_Mad_Oyster> MMM-/HMMM/! POWER!
  317. [2011-12-02 21:29:40] <MrTT> bah... got a mission to change store ledgers in skyrim... of the hags cure in markath... bothela does not sleep
  318. [2011-12-02 21:29:45] <Ironybot> My understanding is that eventually he'd become utterly terrifying and able to go toe-to-toe with serious bruisers with the upgrade, but not immediately- and "not immediately" in this sense means "he'll need years of practice".
  319. [2011-12-02 21:29:49] <MrTT> she is standing next to the ledger 24 hours a day
  320. [2011-12-02 21:29:54] <MrTT> and can see me even when i am invisible
  321. [2011-12-02 21:29:57] <TheBeardiestBob> And his primary issue right now is that he is still too inefficient in his spellwork to properly use a limited power supply-and exhausts himself frequently.
  322. [2011-12-02 21:30:08] <Arkeus> Ironybot: the heart will be a secret anyway at first
  323. [2011-12-02 21:30:34] <Ironybot> We can't keep it a secret, because we can't make it without outside help unless we want to give Amen stupidly huge amounts of latitude.
  324. [2011-12-02 21:30:35] <Arkeus> Also, SB will grow much faster, and will be much more efficient at hiding
  325. [2011-12-02 21:30:40] <TheBeardiestBob> There is a simple-ish solution, Ironybot
  326. [2011-12-02 21:30:45] <TheBeardiestBob> well, two, actually.
  327. [2011-12-02 21:30:49] <Arkeus> Having always a russian at smet's would mean SB could alwaysB= BE there
  328. [2011-12-02 21:30:54] <Arkeus> which means he can't be assailed
  329. [2011-12-02 21:30:55] <Arkeus> anyway
  330. [2011-12-02 21:31:07] <A_Mad_Oyster> Ironybot is from the future.
  331. [2011-12-02 21:31:15] <A_Mad_Oyster> Or he has a level 12 R trait
  332. [2011-12-02 21:31:20] <Ironybot> I wish.
  333. [2011-12-02 21:31:30] <A_Mad_Oyster> How else would he know so much?
  334. [2011-12-02 21:31:37] <TheBeardiestBob> One would be perfect dark rooms the shadows can languor in, with the rooms designed to invest magical energy into the shadows, and 'pump up' the gross magical stamina of the SB legion
  335. [2011-12-02 21:31:45] <Ironybot> Bob could be secretly feeding me secrets.
  336. [2011-12-02 21:31:53] <TheBeardiestBob> Two would be getting more people within the group.
  337. [2011-12-02 21:32:33] <Arkeus> oh riht, i needed to ask
  338. [2011-12-02 21:32:42] <Arkeus> would it be possible to induct people after the heart is done?
  339. [2011-12-02 21:32:54] <MrTT> could we farm creatures of shadow and then shadowbrow could feed on them to replensih his magic stock?
  340. [2011-12-02 21:33:47] <Ironybot> Both of those seem like they would only give him sheer power to work with. Admittedly I don't have precise values here, but my impression is that even with just us and the Russians, he'll have raw power aplenty after the heart goes active- my real concern is that he's still no master of using it. We ourselves are evidence that raw power doesn't always win.
  341. [2011-12-02 21:35:09] <Arkeus> There is no way for it to be perfect
  342. [2011-12-02 21:35:10] <Ironybot> Admittedly, we could probably have Amen give Shadowbro a near-instant download of shadow magic knowledge to help with that.
  343. [2011-12-02 21:35:18] <Arkeus> it's just a matter of making it better
  344. [2011-12-02 21:35:18] <Ironybot> That's using Amen again, though.
  345. [2011-12-02 21:35:27] <Arkeus> Ironybot: we can't
  346. [2011-12-02 21:35:28] <A_Mad_Oyster> Using Amen isn't that bad
  347. [2011-12-02 21:35:31] <Ironybot> Oh?
  348. [2011-12-02 21:35:32] <Arkeus> Amen told us he wasn't allowed
  349. [2011-12-02 21:35:49] <Ironybot> I must have missed that. Where, specifically, did he say that?
  350. [2011-12-02 21:36:01] <Arkeus> We asked him about information on magic
  351. [2011-12-02 21:36:06] <Arkeus> he is only allowed to teach orally
  352. [2011-12-02 21:36:33] <Arkeus> I might have dreamt it, but pretty sure it was there somewhere
  353. [2011-12-02 21:36:36] <Arkeus> bob: am i wrong?
  354. [2011-12-02 21:36:41] <Guile> if skill will come slowly as he works at it, regardless, we might as well take the power boost
  355. [2011-12-02 21:36:42] <Ironybot> Amen says a lot of things, and much of the time what he says and what we think he says are not strictly in line with one another. I would prefer to reread the exact text of his statement.
  356. [2011-12-02 21:36:57] <Arkeus> i would agree with you
  357. [2011-12-02 21:37:01] <Guile> So have him teach orally
  358. [2011-12-02 21:37:28] <Arkeus> Guile: given how SB can think faster, and could think even faster if he had more shadows, yes
  359. [2011-12-02 21:37:31] <Guile> If we're doing reasonably safe stuff that day, SB can stay behind in the mansion and Amen can teach him
  360. [2011-12-02 21:37:36] <TheBeardiestBob> What you may wish to consider, Ironybot, is that in some cases overwhelming brute force can be all one needs. It certainly isn't foolproof, but it covers quite a bit.
  361. [2011-12-02 21:37:43] <Arkeus> OTOH, i don't think we oculd make SB suddenyl stronger than Amen in shadow magic
  362. [2011-12-02 21:37:55] <Guile> Amen can only talk so fast, though, unless we wanna get into mindtalk shenanigans
  363. [2011-12-02 21:38:08] <Arkeus> Even if we do the heart and shadow heart plan in SB, it's pretty obvious we'l have enemies who could threaten us
  364. [2011-12-02 21:38:21] <Arkeus> it's just a matter of planning ahead to make sure we still have our chances
  365. [2011-12-02 21:38:26] <Guile> well, duh. we can't out-bruteforce a dragon or anything
  366. [2011-12-02 21:38:29] <TheBeardiestBob> Also, having your shadow become THE MUSCLE would make for quite an ace in the hole
  367. [2011-12-02 21:38:34] <Arkeus> After all, bob is GOOD at making us have fights where we are the weaker one
  368. [2011-12-02 21:38:44] <TheBeardiestBob> especially if the ramifactions of achieving that status makes it a legion shadow.
  369. [2011-12-02 21:39:00] <Arkeus> not sure what you mean
  370. [2011-12-02 21:39:10] <Arkeus> ramification makes it a legion shadow?
  371. [2011-12-02 21:39:24] <Arkeus> does 'legion shadow' means something else than 'having more than one shadow'?
  372. [2011-12-02 21:39:31] <Ironybot> Oh, I definitely agree with that, Bob. But I'm thinking that putting nothing but the overwhelming brute force of a single being between any raiders and our company's heart wouldn't be as wise as keeping it in the same realm that we have the most assets available to protect it, which is to say, the physical. Admittedly, there are also far more assets which others have in the physical realm...
  373. [2011-12-02 21:39:31] <Ironybot> ...which might be deployed to seize it, so that's hardly foolproof.
  374. [2011-12-02 21:39:59] <Arkeus> Ironybot: keep in mind what i said, too
  375. [2011-12-02 21:40:00] <MrTT> I jkust like being legion
  376. [2011-12-02 21:40:06] <MrTT> legion is always superior
  377. [2011-12-02 21:40:12] <Arkeus> About having a russian in smet's always
  378. [2011-12-02 21:40:18] <Arkeus> so he could always bring the heart back there
  379. [2011-12-02 21:40:21] <Arkeus> whenever he wants
  380. [2011-12-02 21:40:25] <TheBeardiestBob> legion is just 'fuckton of shadows' in this context yes.
  381. [2011-12-02 21:40:51] <Guile> *Shadowbro tries to mime 'So Boss, do yous wants me to break their legs?'*
  382. [2011-12-02 21:40:56] <TheBeardiestBob> Ah, thought of an appropriate comparison
  383. [2011-12-02 21:41:20] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: so i don't understand what you mean, by achieving that status making it a legion shadow. Shouldn't it be making it a legion shadow make it achieve that status?
  384. [2011-12-02 21:41:22] <MrTT> Ironybot, why do you think SB will be the only thing that stands between an enemy and the heart?
  385. [2011-12-02 21:41:29] <Arkeus> lol Guile
  386. [2011-12-02 21:42:10] <Guile> if we moved the Heart itself into shadow, TT
  387. [2011-12-02 21:42:14] <Ironybot> Because the context which I'm still referencing for this conversation was the discussion of making a person/their heart function as the company's heart rather than externalizing it in an object.
  388. [2011-12-02 21:42:32] <Arkeus> Ironybot: about what i said
  389. [2011-12-02 21:42:35] <Guile> Itd be protected from conventional threats - which it already would be, with Amen guarding it
  390. [2011-12-02 21:42:41] <Guile> ... more or less.
  391. [2011-12-02 21:42:45] <Arkeus> If SB is the heart, it means we just need ot have a russian at smets
  392. [2011-12-02 21:42:46] <TheBeardiestBob> And I have a comparison for you Ironybot et all:
  393. [2011-12-02 21:42:48] <Ironybot> Shadowbro was brought up as a possibility, which would make him the company's heart, and we have no assets in place which can protect him other than himself and Amen.
  394. [2011-12-02 21:42:50] <Arkeus> as SB = every shadow
  395. [2011-12-02 21:42:51] <Arkeus> s
  396. [2011-12-02 21:42:59] <Arkeus> as long as a russian is sae, SB issafe
  397. [2011-12-02 21:43:01] <Guile> do tell, bob
  398. [2011-12-02 21:43:31] <TheBeardiestBob> If you put SM in with at least twenty shadows to work with and do this heart properly, even without other members you would be looking at a shift in SM's power pool from around your level to around Hillevi's.
  399. [2011-12-02 21:43:34] <MrTT> Lets say that the heart is an object inside the eye
  400. [2011-12-02 21:43:42] <MrTT> all someone has to do is rip out armas eye and he has it
  401. [2011-12-02 21:43:57] <MrTT> seems easier then to pin down a legion of shadow
  402. [2011-12-02 21:44:54] <MrTT> did you mean SB Bob?
  403. [2011-12-02 21:45:12] <TheBeardiestBob> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/philosoraptor-photoshop.html
  404. [2011-12-02 21:45:16] <Ironybot> How much larger is Hillevi's power pool than ours? My impression was that since our winter bloodline is five times the theoretical mortal maximum, though with a certain amount of it tied up in buffering, we're up there with the average Valkonens in terms of raw power and just lack the training and general competence to use it as well as they do.
  405. [2011-12-02 21:45:31] <Arkeus> MrTT: unless we make the demi-plane not affixed to our eye anymore
  406. [2011-12-02 21:45:50] <MrTT> like... say, the demi plane within shadowbro?
  407. [2011-12-02 21:45:51] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Hillevi is stronger than he average valk
  408. [2011-12-02 21:45:56] <Arkeus> maybe not markky level
  409. [2011-12-02 21:45:59] <Arkeus> but not far, iirc
  410. [2011-12-02 21:46:13] <Arkeus> MrTT: or our soul
  411. [2011-12-02 21:46:17] <TheBeardiestBob> Ironybot: In terms of raw power, something around an un-cthulu Einrik, Helmi or the twins, mayhap. Not Markku or Hillevi
  412. [2011-12-02 21:46:29] <TheBeardiestBob> Hillevi is a fucking magic tank
  413. [2011-12-02 21:46:31] <Ironybot> I did not realize that Hillevi was above average. When was this discussed?
  414. [2011-12-02 21:46:38] <Arkeus> Ironybot: hints
  415. [2011-12-02 21:46:40] <MrTT> if we make SB the demiplane its most safe
  416. [2011-12-02 21:46:42] <Arkeus> lots of hints in quest
  417. [2011-12-02 21:46:43] <MrTT> well second most
  418. [2011-12-02 21:46:57] <TheBeardiestBob> it's not been directly discussed because it's a sensitive issue within the Valk family
  419. [2011-12-02 21:46:57] <MrTT> the most safe is a physical object in the mansion with amen having orders to let noone tamper with it
  420. [2011-12-02 21:47:03] <MrTT> of course then there is the danger of amen himself
  421. [2011-12-02 21:47:12] <Guile> Hillevi can beat us in just about anything we could potentially be matched up in, unless that contest is 'trolling' or 'being savvy about modern cities'
  422. [2011-12-02 21:47:25] <Arkeus> or lying to ourself
  423. [2011-12-02 21:47:38] <Guile> Yes, we would win a lying contest hands-down
  424. [2011-12-02 21:47:51] <Ironybot> I disagree rather strongly with that. I would bet on Armas in a no-limits attempt to kill one another, so long as they didn't start within visual range.
  425. [2011-12-02 21:48:22] <Arkeus> Well, Armas is really good at cheating
  426. [2011-12-02 21:48:28] <Guile> Right, right. I just mean, she's faster, stronger, bigger, possibly more experienced in combat, can heal, can pull ice tricks out of her well-shaped arse...
  427. [2011-12-02 21:48:41] <Guile> more experienced with magic, too, probably
  428. [2011-12-02 21:49:00] <Ironybot> In fact, even if they did start within visual range Armas might be able to pull through. He's a dodgy fuck.
  429. [2011-12-02 21:49:12] <Guile> Not enough against a Valkonen, Irony
  430. [2011-12-02 21:49:21] <TheBeardiestBob> I forgot this http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/gary-oak-cheerleading-team.html
  431. [2011-12-02 21:49:25] <Arkeus> Unsure. right now it would be hard
  432. [2011-12-02 21:49:31] <Arkeus> in a couple of days, who knows
  433. [2011-12-02 21:49:41] <Arkeus> If we have teleport, it changes stuff, for exmaple
  434. [2011-12-02 21:49:46] <Arkeus> and then there is sake and SB
  435. [2011-12-02 21:49:58] <Guile> if she's as good as the twins - and probably smarter, all things considered - then she can catch us if we try a stand-up fight, sooner or later
  436. [2011-12-02 21:50:02] <Guile> they could, after all
  437. [2011-12-02 21:50:05] -->| Shifter35 (~Scrambled@Rizon-123E7EB9.lns7.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #golemquest
  438. [2011-12-02 21:50:33] <TheBeardiestBob> The problem is you have no experience with how her 'fuck it, wreck everything' usage of her power compares to her 'No collateral damage, please please no unnecessary force' approach her father imposed on her.
  439. [2011-12-02 21:51:22] <Guile> by 'imposed' do you mean with her being our ward, we could tell her to go hog-wild?
  440. [2011-12-02 21:51:52] <Guile> or is her being our ward not equal her being a lesser clanmate to the Head? Or was it just a promise?
  441. [2011-12-02 21:52:18] <Arkeus> Guile: bob gave us a plan for that
  442. [2011-12-02 21:52:51] <TheBeardiestBob> You can't tell her to do it and in most circumstances she would in all likelyhood refuse.
  443. [2011-12-02 21:52:53] <Guile> I mean, if we can tell her "Unleash Fimbulwinter", then the Doony plan becomes 'how do we lure him outside of Istanbul so she can turn him into a fishscicle'
  444. [2011-12-02 21:52:57] <TheBeardiestBob> But I know her character motivations
  445. [2011-12-02 21:52:59] <Ironybot> This discussion has moved me to bring up a topic that I had previously discarded as likely infeasible given the return: Can anyone think of any way, any way at all, that we could get Hillevi into this heart plan without Markku murdering us for it?
  446. [2011-12-02 21:53:13] <Guile> I cannot, Irony
  447. [2011-12-02 21:53:14] <Guile> Alas
  448. [2011-12-02 21:53:33] <Guile> Shared blood might accidentally induct all the russians into the Valkonen bloodline
  449. [2011-12-02 21:53:33] <Arkeus> Pretty much
  450. [2011-12-02 21:53:35] <TheBeardiestBob> Watching an ep, then starting update
  451. [2011-12-02 21:53:47] <Arkeus> And, yeah, bob told us how to 'help' hillevi
  452. [2011-12-02 21:53:51] <Arkeus> BY TROLLING
  453. [2011-12-02 21:53:54] <TheBeardiestBob> There IS a way to pull it off. That's what I shall leave you with
  454. [2011-12-02 21:53:58] <Guile> Time to Fallout. I last stopped right outside REPCONN, so thatll be fun
  455. [2011-12-02 21:53:59] <TheBeardiestBob> Ponder it carefully.
  456. [2011-12-02 21:54:07] <Arkeus> Basically
  457. [2011-12-02 21:54:14] <Dart666> could we give bloodline to the heart?
  458. [2011-12-02 21:54:18] <Guile> Make her care about us, then die? That sort of thing?
  459. [2011-12-02 21:54:19] <Arkeus> Bob told us that if we manage to have Hillevi like us for another year or so
  460. [2011-12-02 21:54:24] <Guile> I think there was some talk of that, Dart
  461. [2011-12-02 21:54:27] <Arkeus> and not have her know about our rez abilities
  462. [2011-12-02 21:54:34] <Arkeus> or forget about hwat einrik implied
  463. [2011-12-02 21:54:41] <Arkeus> we could do a Obi-Wan
  464. [2011-12-02 21:55:00] <Dart666> i would suggest a blood/flesh one
  465. [2011-12-02 21:55:25] <Guile> Well, more specifically, I think bob said something about being able to share bloodlines among those who are attached to the heart
  466. [2011-12-02 21:55:31] <Arkeus> Having SB for heart might give us all some shadow and some ice magic
  467. [2011-12-02 21:55:33] <Guile> the russians could get a shadow of our power, basically
  468. [2011-12-02 21:55:36] <MrTT> do we even WANT her to go from "please not collatoral damage" to "wrest everything"?
  469. [2011-12-02 21:55:45] <MrTT> I mean... collatoral damage is kinda BAD THING
  470. [2011-12-02 21:55:51] <Guile> Not when she's in Istanbul, but its nice to have the option
  471. [2011-12-02 21:55:55] <Arkeus> MrTT: it would be bth
  472. [2011-12-02 21:56:02] <Arkeus> wreck everything without collaterals!
  473. [2011-12-02 21:56:03] <Ironybot> The heart can't get a bloodline. It's a conceptual heart of the company, built of the heartsblood and souls of all those in the company. In one sense it has no bloodline- but in another sense, it has ALL the bloodlines of everyone in the company.
  474. [2011-12-02 21:56:04] <Arkeus> :p
  475. [2011-12-02 21:56:26] <Ironybot> How exactly its magics will shake out because of that I'm not certain yet.
  476. [2011-12-02 21:56:36] <Guile> random Hillevi query: why does she not like Camella? Is it too egocentric to think its because of us?
  477. [2011-12-02 21:56:39] <Arkeus> probably a roll
  478. [2011-12-02 21:56:49] <Arkeus> and having SB the heart might REALLY enhance everyone
  479. [2011-12-02 21:56:56] <Arkeus> especially as SB will get stronger
  480. [2011-12-02 21:57:02] <Arkeus> whihc might make us stronger
  481. [2011-12-02 21:57:12] <Ironybot> Shadowbro will get vastly stronger regardless of whether he's the heart or not.
  482. [2011-12-02 21:57:30] <Ironybot> He can be given the shadows of all participating without actually making him the heart, after all.
  483. [2011-12-02 21:57:31] <Shifter35> And Valk would be rather fringe-usage combat-wise.
  484. [2011-12-02 21:57:45] <Arkeus> fridge usage is good
  485. [2011-12-02 21:57:56] <A_Mad_Oyster> Mmmh, Valk ice Fridge
  486. [2011-12-02 21:58:00] <A_Mad_Oyster> Nothing ever spoils
  487. [2011-12-02 21:58:00] <Arkeus> Shifter35: shadow magic too
  488. [2011-12-02 21:58:11] <Shifter35> Indeed, it is lovely to have when Sciencing.
  489. [2011-12-02 21:58:35] <Dart666> would be possible to give bloodlines sculpting soul sculping?
  490. [2011-12-02 21:59:13] <Dart666> through soul sculpting*
  491. [2011-12-02 21:59:26] <MrTT> i just had a horribly bad idea
  492. [2011-12-02 21:59:35] <MrTT> join amen into the company heart
  493. [2011-12-02 21:59:58] <MrTT> just think of the possibilities... for horrorible things to go wrong
  494. [2011-12-02 21:59:59] <Shifter35> Oh lordy you know what his bloodline is like.
  495. [2011-12-02 22:00:04] <Dart666> since it is possible to force a bloodline with chakras
  496. [2011-12-02 22:00:13] <MrTT> oh and do so whith SB being the center
  497. [2011-12-02 22:00:43] <Guile> Everyone dies. Forever.
  498. [2011-12-02 22:00:50] <Guile> That golden blood is scary.
  499. [2011-12-02 22:00:52] <MrTT> i was thinking more along the line of amen now being able to act through each of of the members of the group essentially giving him an out
  500. [2011-12-02 22:00:58] <Dart666> i think having the center as a separated thing would be beter
  501. [2011-12-02 22:01:09] <MrTT> not to mention most likely a port into the mind of each member
  502. [2011-12-02 22:01:11] <Ironybot> What exactly do you mean by "force"? My impression was that extensive use of chakras results in very, very weak bloodlines in the user's children, nothing more.
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  504. [2011-12-02 22:02:21] <Arkeus> Ironybot: nah
  505. [2011-12-02 22:02:29] <MrTT> I am still for the SB as heart idea
  506. [2011-12-02 22:02:32] <MrTT> go go legion!
  507. [2011-12-02 22:02:35] <Arkeus> iirc, you can make yourself ahvea bloodline in yourself
  508. [2011-12-02 22:02:45] <Arkeus> the problem is that having a perfect bloodline take forever
  509. [2011-12-02 22:02:49] <Arkeus> and Armas had two of them
  510. [2011-12-02 22:02:55] <Arkeus> lucky bastard
  511. [2011-12-02 22:02:55] <Guile> yes. generations
  512. [2011-12-02 22:03:07] <Guile> not just lucky - not supposed to happen
  513. [2011-12-02 22:03:22] <Guile> unless Im misremembering
  514. [2011-12-02 22:03:27] <MrTT> armas didn't have a perfect bloodline
  515. [2011-12-02 22:03:30] <MrTT> he had a blank bloodline
  516. [2011-12-02 22:03:35] <MrTT> there is a difference
  517. [2011-12-02 22:04:11] <Arkeus> MrTT: he had two perfect blank bloodlines
  518. [2011-12-02 22:04:15] <MrTT> his biggest assest is the divine soul graft that lets him steal other fully formed bloodline
  519. [2011-12-02 22:04:16] <Ironybot> Blank bloodlines aren't exactly common either. Considering how easy it is to aspect them...
  520. [2011-12-02 22:04:29] <Arkeus> Well, having ONE blank bloodline can happen via ressuregence and ancestors
  521. [2011-12-02 22:04:36] <Arkeus> two? well, nor really
  522. [2011-12-02 22:04:39] <MrTT> its not that easy... armas can aspect them via eating because he has a cannibal goddess graft
  523. [2011-12-02 22:05:02] <MrTT> and didn't we get told by einrik how blank bloodlines can occur with resurgence?
  524. [2011-12-02 22:05:13] <MrTT> like... magic family, had a muggle child, muggle child has a child with blank...
  525. [2011-12-02 22:05:14] <Arkeus> Ironybot: from what i understand blank bloodline are the results of prefeect bloodlines slowly becoming unaspected through generations
  526. [2011-12-02 22:05:17] <Arkeus> and then coming back
  527. [2011-12-02 22:05:22] <Dart666> SB doesn't need to be the center to become a legion
  528. [2011-12-02 22:05:22] <MrTT> I don't understand what you mean by "perfect blank" thou8gh
  529. [2011-12-02 22:05:25] <MrTT> a blank is a blank
  530. [2011-12-02 22:05:32] <Ironybot> Speaking of our cannibal goddess, I read in the discussion thread that she might fall in love with us? What is our opinion on this?
  531. [2011-12-02 22:05:39] <Arkeus> i mean that our blank is from perfect bloodline
  532. [2011-12-02 22:05:49] <Arkeus> not just a half assed one
  533. [2011-12-02 22:05:50] <mib_owya6x> A very bad idea
  534. [2011-12-02 22:05:58] <Arkeus> Vey Bad IDea
  535. [2011-12-02 22:06:00] <MrTT> more likely our blanks are from the soul surgury something did on us
  536. [2011-12-02 22:06:05] <MrTT> Sexy idea
  537. [2011-12-02 22:06:11] <MrTT> waifu!
  538. [2011-12-02 22:06:24] <mib_owya6x> And yes
  539. [2011-12-02 22:06:29] <mib_owya6x> Hillevi is ridiculous
  540. [2011-12-02 22:06:46] <mib_owya6x> I'd love to see Labombard's face after a spar with her in full Loup Garou mode
  541. [2011-12-02 22:07:00] <BUTTZ> <MrTT>and didn't we get told by einrik how blank bloodlines can occur with resurgence?
  542. [2011-12-02 22:07:02] <BUTTZ> No, we didn't
  543. [2011-12-02 22:07:19] <MrTT> oooh
  544. [2011-12-02 22:07:20] <BUTTZ> He told us that a DORMANT bloodline could be woken up by mixed blood
  545. [2011-12-02 22:07:20] <Guile> http://www.youtube.com/user/ERB#p/a/f/2/zn7-fVtT16k
  546. [2011-12-02 22:07:33] <MrTT> we should totally arrange a spar between labombard and hilevi
  547. [2011-12-02 22:07:34] <MrTT> :P
  548. [2011-12-02 22:07:36] <BUTTZ> So like if the Winter line was dormant, the Summer line woke it up
  549. [2011-12-02 22:07:37] <MrTT> that would fucking rock
  550. [2011-12-02 22:07:43] <Ironybot> It's on our to-do list.
  551. [2011-12-02 22:07:43] <mib_owya6x> MrTT Armas had that idea
  552. [2011-12-02 22:07:48] <BUTTZ> He ALSO told us that blank bloodlines are REALLY RARE
  553. [2011-12-02 22:08:12] <BUTTZ> So yeah, Armas is like a quintuple freak or something
  554. [2011-12-02 22:08:20] <MrTT> but the question we are arguing is... where do blank bloodlines come from
  555. [2011-12-02 22:08:25] <Ironybot> We just haven't had the time to get around to it recently. And honestly, with the Triads in their current trouble situation I suspect that Labombard would be reluctant to burn the required power for a real spar.
  556. [2011-12-02 22:08:44] <BUTTZ> Either a divine gift, a wizard gift, or you get your bloodline cleared by somehow surviving a NN strike
  557. [2011-12-02 22:08:51] <BUTTZ> Those are the three ways we know of
  558. [2011-12-02 22:09:02] <mib_owya6x> His requirements for restoration are significantly more lax than our own apparently
  559. [2011-12-02 22:09:13] <mib_owya6x> I recall mention of ground beef
  560. [2011-12-02 22:09:22] <mib_owya6x> Armas wishes he could get away with ground beef
  561. [2011-12-02 22:09:25] <Ironybot> I wouldn't think that wizards or gods would give blank bloodlines rather than aspected ones as a gift.
  562. [2011-12-02 22:09:28] <MrTT> I would imagine that what REALLY happened is that whatever put the soul bomb in armas
  563. [2011-12-02 22:09:37] <Ironybot> But I suppose there's no real technical reason that they couldn't.
  564. [2011-12-02 22:09:40] <BUTTZ> Ironybot it is my understanding that they can if they want
  565. [2011-12-02 22:09:41] <MrTT> put it there
  566. [2011-12-02 22:09:44] <MrTT> or at least blanked it
  567. [2011-12-02 22:09:55] <MrTT> maybe took existing dormant bloodlines and blanked them
  568. [2011-12-02 22:09:57] <mib_owya6x> At least I recall Mrazy saying here that he used ground beef, could be fucking with us though
  569. [2011-12-02 22:10:06] <MrTT> maybe took one existing bloodline, blanked it, and added the other
  570. [2011-12-02 22:10:09] <Arkeus> Yeah, wizards can make blank bloodline
  571. [2011-12-02 22:10:12] <BUTTZ> It had to be a Winter entity, they left the summer bloodline alone
  572. [2011-12-02 22:10:13] <Arkeus> would take them weeks htough
  573. [2011-12-02 22:10:19] <Arkeus> and, well, lots of efforts
  574. [2011-12-02 22:10:28] <MrTT> which justifies putting a soul bomb
  575. [2011-12-02 22:10:32] <MrTT> a god is more likely though
  576. [2011-12-02 22:10:35] <Ironybot> Armas said in-quest that Labombard had claimed to him to be ground-beef and regenerated, but Labombard never actually told him that in-quest as far as I know.
  577. [2011-12-02 22:10:35] <MrTT> since they are quick about it
  578. [2011-12-02 22:10:39] <BUTTZ> Uh
  579. [2011-12-02 22:10:44] <BUTTZ> No they weren't MrTT
  580. [2011-12-02 22:10:52] <BUTTZ> There's a whole month and change missing from Armas' memory
  581. [2011-12-02 22:11:06] <BUTTZ> From just before he joined the Marines
  582. [2011-12-02 22:11:17] <MrTT> that would be just the right amount of time for a wizard to do it
  583. [2011-12-02 22:11:26] <mib_owya6x> Ah no I'm saying Labombard mentioning using ground beef as an energy source to regenerate with
  584. [2011-12-02 22:11:28] <BUTTZ> A San Diego wizard
  585. [2011-12-02 22:11:39] <mib_owya6x> He was put through a meat grinder
  586. [2011-12-02 22:11:42] <MrTT> maybe a wizard somewhere was experiment and made dozens of people like that
  587. [2011-12-02 22:11:48] <mib_owya6x> That was something revealed here
  588. [2011-12-02 22:11:50] <BUTTZ> Doubt so
  589. [2011-12-02 22:11:55] <MrTT> as s/he was working towards building something
  590. [2011-12-02 22:11:59] <MrTT> like, a practitioner army
  591. [2011-12-02 22:12:04] <Ironybot> Ah. That... so what, he can draw on flesh to regenerate? Or eat it?
  592. [2011-12-02 22:12:20] <mib_owya6x> Something like that
  593. [2011-12-02 22:12:43] <Ironybot> A wizard can get a practitioner army far more easily by just making a pile of Contracts than by meticulously grafting bloodlines into people.
  594. [2011-12-02 22:12:57] <MrTT> true
  595. [2011-12-02 22:13:04] <Ironybot> My impression is that they can pretty much put together a Contract at the drop of a hat.
  596. [2011-12-02 22:13:05] <MrTT> the motive just doesn't add up
  597. [2011-12-02 22:13:18] <MrTT> but making a contract causes them to lose that particular ability
  598. [2011-12-02 22:13:19] <Shifter35> Unless he wanted to make a super-portotype for something.
  599. [2011-12-02 22:13:27] <mib_owya6x> And here we run into our problem
  600. [2011-12-02 22:13:28] <Arkeus> Ironybot: yeah
  601. [2011-12-02 22:13:29] <MrTT> and only one person can be invested with a particular wizard power via contracty
  602. [2011-12-02 22:13:33] <mib_owya6x> We'd know more if we'd investigate
  603. [2011-12-02 22:13:33] <Arkeus> and if the wizard dies, the guy dies
  604. [2011-12-02 22:13:37] <MrTT> no
  605. [2011-12-02 22:13:46] <MrTT> if the wizard die the contract power disappears
  606. [2011-12-02 22:13:48] <MrTT> the person doesn't die
  607. [2011-12-02 22:13:51] <mib_owya6x> But we're not nearly powerful enough to handle investigating this issue
  608. [2011-12-02 22:13:53] <Arkeus> yes, he dies
  609. [2011-12-02 22:13:57] <Shifter35> Somewhere there may be a Spring/Autumn hybrid.
  610. [2011-12-02 22:14:00] <Ironybot> We haven't actually seen the real motive yet. As far as we know, what the person who put the soul bomb into Armas wants Armas to do is... approximately what he's doing right now.
  611. [2011-12-02 22:14:05] <Arkeus> and more than one person can get a contract from a wizard
  612. [2011-12-02 22:14:06] <TheBeardiestBob> No Arkeus, he doesn't. The fuck you smoking.
  613. [2011-12-02 22:14:37] <MrTT> ark, not a single person disputed that... i said that he can only give the same power once
  614. [2011-12-02 22:14:52] <MrTT> ti would be a different power per contracted person
  615. [2011-12-02 22:14:59] <Ironybot> Because, recall our earlier discussion, Armas' traits started spiking massively after the quest started, meaning that logically there's a reason they started spiking, which given that he's only got the one massive memory hole probably goes back to the same damn thing.
  616. [2011-12-02 22:15:28] <MrTT> they started spikng when he started actively pursuing the supernatural
  617. [2011-12-02 22:15:43] <MrTT> thats all
  618. [2011-12-02 22:15:45] <Ironybot> So if his blank bloodlines were a result of the memory hole, and his Traits are a result of the memory hole, and the soul bomb is a result of the memory hole... someone wanted a sleeper agent with a certain powerset, I guess.
  619. [2011-12-02 22:15:45] <Arkeus> much more
  620. [2011-12-02 22:15:50] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: huh, really?
  621. [2011-12-02 22:15:55] <Arkeus> interesting, i was sure he did
  622. [2011-12-02 22:16:08] <MrTT> ironybot, it would all make sense except for the fact that the bloodlines are blank
  623. [2011-12-02 22:16:24] <Arkeus> i don't think the bloodline is a direct result
  624. [2011-12-02 22:16:29] <MrTT> wait
  625. [2011-12-02 22:16:31] <MrTT> ... what if
  626. [2011-12-02 22:16:33] <Arkeus> i think our summer bloodline would have been there sort of
  627. [2011-12-02 22:16:37] <Arkeus> and OG carried our winter one
  628. [2011-12-02 22:16:50] <Arkeus> maybe OG was interested to do so because of the bomb, though
  629. [2011-12-02 22:16:50] <MrTT> what if ... no nevermind it wouldn't work
  630. [2011-12-02 22:17:04] <MrTT> I was thinking someone was trying to make armas into a NN strike magnet
  631. [2011-12-02 22:17:14] <MrTT> and he had his bloodlines blanked by an NN strike during testing
  632. [2011-12-02 22:17:16] <Ironybot> The dual blank bloodline is a severe anomaly. With magic, there are no coincides, we've been told- thus we can probably assume that all Armas' major anomalous features share a common root.
  633. [2011-12-02 22:17:25] <Arkeus> yep
  634. [2011-12-02 22:17:52] <MrTT> maybe
  635. [2011-12-02 22:18:01] <Shifter35> And have we had somebody with good souldsenses that we trust have a look at us?
  636. [2011-12-02 22:18:07] <Ironybot> Do we actually know that Armas' bloodilnes were blank prior to the first nevernever strike hitting him? Did we even know/think about bloodlines, then?
  637. [2011-12-02 22:18:18] <MrTT> maybe armas suffered a natural NN strike which awoke his two dormand but aspected bloodlines... then blanked them and armas somehow survived
  638. [2011-12-02 22:18:26] <MrTT> and was then picked up for research
  639. [2011-12-02 22:18:30] <Ironybot> Is it possible that he had aspected bloodlines and the strikes blanked them on us?
  640. [2011-12-02 22:18:34] <mib_owya6x> In character?
  641. [2011-12-02 22:18:35] <MrTT> and let go with new memories an a soul bomb
  642. [2011-12-02 22:19:16] <MrTT> @Ironybot, when was the first NN strike in relationship to whaitiri?
  643. [2011-12-02 22:19:20] <MrTT> before or after?
  644. [2011-12-02 22:19:22] <Ironybot> If he suffered a natural nevernever strike, he'd almost certainly have died.
  645. [2011-12-02 22:19:35] <Ironybot> I would need to go look it up.
  646. [2011-12-02 22:19:42] <MrTT> the theory that the first in quest NN strike blanked armas' bloodlines is sound
  647. [2011-12-02 22:19:54] <MrTT> that makes more sense
  648. [2011-12-02 22:20:21] <Arkeus> nah
  649. [2011-12-02 22:20:25] <Arkeus> it would have killed us
  650. [2011-12-02 22:20:28] <MrTT> someone makes armas into a sleeper agent with two aspected bloodlines... or maybe takes someone with existing bloodlines and works in the bomb and who knows what
  651. [2011-12-02 22:20:33] <MrTT> what are you talking about
  652. [2011-12-02 22:20:38] <MrTT> armas survived 3 strikes in quest
  653. [2011-12-02 22:20:45] <Arkeus> Because htey were dormant
  654. [2011-12-02 22:21:13] <MrTT> and they can be blanked by NN strike while being dormant
  655. [2011-12-02 22:21:36] <Arkeus> dormant bloodline are blanked, iirc
  656. [2011-12-02 22:21:37] <Ironybot> Whaitiri chomped our soul two in-game days before the nevernever strikes started hitting us, according to our handy timeline of the first thread.
  657. [2011-12-02 22:21:42] <Arkeus> like BC's
  658. [2011-12-02 22:21:51] <Ironybot> Speaking of that, we should really make timelines of the later threads at some point.
  659. [2011-12-02 22:22:02] <Arkeus> yeah, we should
  660. [2011-12-02 22:22:15] <MrTT> where do you get your info that all dormant bloodlines must also be blanked
  661. [2011-12-02 22:22:23] <MrTT> and how does a bloodline become dormant
  662. [2011-12-02 22:22:30] <Arkeus> what you said earlier
  663. [2011-12-02 22:22:35] <MrTT> if not for the process i described (magicless born to active family)
  664. [2011-12-02 22:22:45] <MrTT> what you said earlier when bob said you were wrong and smoking stuff ark?
  665. [2011-12-02 22:22:47] <Arkeus> or generations being unused
  666. [2011-12-02 22:22:50] <Arkeus> or things we don't know
  667. [2011-12-02 22:23:00] <Ironybot> Big Crazy has a dormant bloodline? I thought his only magic was his spirit animals.
  668. [2011-12-02 22:23:07] <Arkeus> Ironybot: he has one
  669. [2011-12-02 22:23:12] <Ironybot> Which season?
  670. [2011-12-02 22:23:12] <Arkeus> dormant, so not activated
  671. [2011-12-02 22:23:14] <Arkeus> summer
  672. [2011-12-02 22:23:25] <Arkeus> we must make him a cannibal
  673. [2011-12-02 22:23:27] <Arkeus> :p
  674. [2011-12-02 22:23:38] <MrTT> or hook him up with some savoy blood
  675. [2011-12-02 22:23:51] <MrTT> lol if both armas and BC get savoy bloodline
  676. [2011-12-02 22:23:55] <MrTT> then teleport hunt savoy
  677. [2011-12-02 22:24:07] -->| Shot__ (~chatzilla@C7DEDBDF.98D1E179.166E94FC.IP) has joined #golemquest
  678. [2011-12-02 22:24:14] <Ironybot> ...we totally could. Whaitiri's a Summer goddess, gods can muck with bloodlines...
  679. [2011-12-02 22:24:32] <MrTT> our cannibalism is based on whaitiri graft though
  680. [2011-12-02 22:24:40] <MrTT> and she was fiercely against giving another
  681. [2011-12-02 22:24:45] <MrTT> saying she never done so before and never will again
  682. [2011-12-02 22:24:52] <Arkeus> she doesn't need to
  683. [2011-12-02 22:25:02] <MrTT> then how?
  684. [2011-12-02 22:25:04] <Ironybot> She doesn't have to give him part of her soul, just aspect his Summer bloodline to gain power from nomming people.
  685. [2011-12-02 22:25:19] <MrTT> oh... that would work but it wouldn't be nearly as good as ours
  686. [2011-12-02 22:25:21] <Ironybot> It's within her sphere as a cannibal goddess.
  687. [2011-12-02 22:25:37] <MrTT> and ours is currently rather weak
  688. [2011-12-02 22:25:42] <MrTT> in of itself
  689. [2011-12-02 22:25:53] <Wutenheimer> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/broken-soda-machine.html fuck i love bear
  690. [2011-12-02 22:25:57] <MrTT> it provides awesome ability of aspecting winter bloodline
  691. [2011-12-02 22:26:04] <Ironybot> Weak my ass, we've got a mainline connection to a god. That's cash, right there, even if it gave us literally no power whatsoever.
  692. [2011-12-02 22:26:17] <MrTT> yes
  693. [2011-12-02 22:26:22] <MrTT> it has some nice benefits
  694. [2011-12-02 22:26:27] <Arkeus> Flesh magic
  695. [2011-12-02 22:26:29] <MrTT> thing is... BC has only one slot
  696. [2011-12-02 22:26:30] <Arkeus> it's not weak at all
  697. [2011-12-02 22:26:38] <MrTT> oh you are right, we just don't know how to use is
  698. [2011-12-02 22:26:38] <Arkeus> but we never learned or tried to use it
  699. [2011-12-02 22:26:39] <MrTT> duh
  700. [2011-12-02 22:26:44] <Arkeus> yep
  701. [2011-12-02 22:27:05] <MrTT> the regen, the winter aspecting... all that stuff is PASSIVE automatic use while being totally ignorant of the bloodline
  702. [2011-12-02 22:27:12] <MrTT> so its actually beastly strong
  703. [2011-12-02 22:27:19] <MrTT> the... quick healing is an active use we invented
  704. [2011-12-02 22:27:39] <Ironybot> I got the impression somewhere that our Summer bloodline is actually currently passive use only.
  705. [2011-12-02 22:27:42] <Wutenheimer> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/parking-motivational.html is funny because corvettes are the poor mans supercar
  706. [2011-12-02 22:28:02] <Ironybot> The quick healing is a hybrid winter/summer power, which we know because Armas is an anomaly.
  707. [2011-12-02 22:28:03] <Guile> We hunt him like Van Pelt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nylU-5d4bqU
  708. [2011-12-02 22:28:05] <Arkeus> Ironybot: we got it too
  709. [2011-12-02 22:28:11] <Arkeus> because we didn't really try
  710. [2011-12-02 22:28:31] <Arkeus> and then bob talked a week ago or so about how we should try to learn it
  711. [2011-12-02 22:28:54] <Ironybot> We should really call up Whaitiri one of these days and have a chat.
  712. [2011-12-02 22:28:55] <Arkeus> so Whaitiri (because she gave it to us) or Amen (because he knows markedly more about flesh magic than whaitiri)
  713. [2011-12-02 22:29:08] <Arkeus> Bob said Amen > Whaitiri for teaching us our bloodline
  714. [2011-12-02 22:29:30] <Ironybot> Doesn't matter, we've got a pile of things to chat with Whaitiri about.
  715. [2011-12-02 22:29:49] <Arkeus> Yeah
  716. [2011-12-02 22:30:18] <Ironybot> And getting Amen to teach us things is likely to be like pulling teeth.
  717. [2011-12-02 22:30:47] <Arkeus> We need a starting point, yes
  718. [2011-12-02 22:30:57] <Wutenheimer> http://picsthatdontsuck.com/web/spongebob-chrome.html
  719. [2011-12-02 22:33:38] <Guile> not sure we wanna talk to whaitiri until we rebuild the mere. letting her symbol of power be broken doesnt speak well of us
  720. [2011-12-02 22:33:45] <Ironybot> Other matters. On soul shaping, I am wondering how long it will be before we can shape up our soul some spirit claws and kill people at range by shredding their souls.
  721. [2011-12-02 22:34:06] <Arkeus> 'our'
  722. [2011-12-02 22:34:10] <Arkeus> we know we can?
  723. [2011-12-02 22:34:11] <Ironybot> Well, we might want to give her a heads-up as to our plans for reconstituting it as a stupidly powerful artifact.
  724. [2011-12-02 22:34:17] <Arkeus> oh, oyu mena spirit attack
  725. [2011-12-02 22:34:18] <Arkeus> yeah
  726. [2011-12-02 22:34:28] <Arkeus> Ironybot; yeah, she'll like that
  727. [2011-12-02 22:34:35] <Ironybot> We know that we can replicate spirit animal abilities, and that predator spirits can shred souls, so... yes, we know we can.
  728. [2011-12-02 22:34:41] <Arkeus> she'll also like it if we talk to her about giving her the doony's soul
  729. [2011-12-02 22:34:49] <Ironybot> Is that our plan for it?
  730. [2011-12-02 22:34:57] <Arkeus> that's my plan
  731. [2011-12-02 22:35:39] <Ironybot> Do we know that it's within our capability to bind it? It took what, 2% of our maximum power to bind a heavy but mundane mortal. The Doonongaes' soul is likely to be far, far more difficult to manipulate- it might be impossible even if we're on a full tank.
  732. [2011-12-02 22:35:57] <mib_owya6x> It depends on how much we need to do
  733. [2011-12-02 22:35:57] <Arkeus> Ironybot: that's why i want to talk to whaitiri first
  734. [2011-12-02 22:36:00] <Ironybot> Admittedly, we might not need to manipulate it much if we've got the upgraded mere on hand and can just stab it.
  735. [2011-12-02 22:36:03] <Arkeus> sell up the doony's soul to her
  736. [2011-12-02 22:36:11] <Arkeus> with her help, we certainly can
  737. [2011-12-02 22:36:12] <Guile> Its been around since pre-history. That kind of soul weight is almost certainly more than our x3 maximum limit
  738. [2011-12-02 22:36:30] <mib_owya6x> In this case we're dealing with a field we've never done actually
  739. [2011-12-02 22:36:32] <Arkeus> Guile: 3x limit is for eating
  740. [2011-12-02 22:36:34] <Guile> and I think the mere will take significantly longer than einrik can hang around Istanbul
  741. [2011-12-02 22:36:34] <mib_owya6x> A proper tribute
  742. [2011-12-02 22:36:34] <BUTTZ> I don't think we should let on to Riker that we've got a set of off-the-books mercs yet
  743. [2011-12-02 22:36:35] <Arkeus> not for binding
  744. [2011-12-02 22:36:42] <Arkeus> and i am talking baout having whaitiri help us bind it
  745. [2011-12-02 22:36:45] <Arkeus> then we give it to her
  746. [2011-12-02 22:36:49] <Guile> and I'd rather have Einrik for the battle
  747. [2011-12-02 22:36:53] <BUTTZ> We want to be on the books, lest we become deniable assets
  748. [2011-12-02 22:37:04] <MrTT> i think the ideal would be amen teaches whaitiri
  749. [2011-12-02 22:37:07] <MrTT> and then whaitiri teaches us
  750. [2011-12-02 22:37:21] <Arkeus> i think it would be the worst
  751. [2011-12-02 22:37:27] <Guile> If we are 'on the books' wouldnt we have to give up working for triad/contract work?
  752. [2011-12-02 22:37:32] <BUTTZ> Nah
  753. [2011-12-02 22:37:33] <Arkeus> i REALLY don't want Whaitiri to have contacts with Amen
  754. [2011-12-02 22:37:36] <Ironybot> I'm pretty sure that we are deniable assets regardless. Anything magic-powered is essentially off the books.
  755. [2011-12-02 22:37:43] <BUTTZ> We'd just have to learn creative accounting
  756. [2011-12-02 22:37:45] <BUTTZ> to hide the money
  757. [2011-12-02 22:37:46] <MrTT> amen is hostile and deceitful
  758. [2011-12-02 22:37:51] <BUTTZ> Actually we need to learn that ANYWAY
  759. [2011-12-02 22:37:58] <MrTT> whaitiri is much more familiar with the bloodline itself
  760. [2011-12-02 22:38:11] <MrTT> amen knows ridiculously more about fleshcraft
  761. [2011-12-02 22:38:20] <MrTT> but if he taught her she could teach us reliably
  762. [2011-12-02 22:38:23] <Ironybot> Ah, speaking of accounting- paying our mercenaries. What are our plans for that?
  763. [2011-12-02 22:38:28] <MrTT> and he could teach her everything instantly
  764. [2011-12-02 22:38:35] <MrTT> since as a goddess she is native to NN
  765. [2011-12-02 22:38:36] <BUTTZ> We pay them in meat!
  766. [2011-12-02 22:38:43] <MrTT> lolno
  767. [2011-12-02 22:38:45] <MrTT> money
  768. [2011-12-02 22:38:51] <BUTTZ> Money hidden in meat
  769. [2011-12-02 22:38:53] <MrTT> look up what titancorp pays
  770. [2011-12-02 22:39:00] <Ironybot> Are we going to try to pay them per-time, or per-mission? If per-mission, do they get a fraction of client pay or a standard pay issued by us regardless of what if anything the client gives us?
  771. [2011-12-02 22:39:10] <BUTTZ> Here's what I think we ought to do
  772. [2011-12-02 22:39:24] <MrTT> i am betting there is a group of things here
  773. [2011-12-02 22:39:32] <mib_owya6x> For quest purposes per mission sounds easier to manage
  774. [2011-12-02 22:39:36] <MrTT> pay per time + hazard pay + bonus on missions
  775. [2011-12-02 22:39:44] <BUTTZ> We pay them a small stipend, and mission bonuses based on hazards they encounter and how well they did.
  776. [2011-12-02 22:40:01] <MrTT> small relative to the whole paycheck not to pay people make overall
  777. [2011-12-02 22:40:07] <BUTTZ> The mission bonuses are obviously where most of their money will come from
  778. [2011-12-02 22:40:07] <MrTT> PMCs get paid well
  779. [2011-12-02 22:40:16] <BUTTZ> The stipend is just so they have reliable income for whatever
  780. [2011-12-02 22:40:18] <MrTT> Exactly buttz
  781. [2011-12-02 22:40:41] <Ironybot> I'm only really familiar with engineering contractors, but for that it's usually standard to charge clients about three times what employees are paid. Our overhead costs are significantly higher, so I don't think we should be passing along more than 20-25% of our income to our forces directly.
  782. [2011-12-02 22:40:51] <Ironybot> Obviously we're giving them benefits out the wazoo, though.
  783. [2011-12-02 22:41:05] <BUTTZ> "You guys get Amen to make you any clothes yet?"
  784. [2011-12-02 22:41:11] <MrTT> I was one told that my school was paying 200$/hr for a pair of ITs
  785. [2011-12-02 22:41:17] <BUTTZ> Actually I bet they've been avoiding talking to Amen at all
  786. [2011-12-02 22:41:26] <MrTT> well I asked them how much they make
  787. [2011-12-02 22:41:28] <MrTT> of it
  788. [2011-12-02 22:41:29] <BUTTZ> Because creeeeepy motherfucker!
  789. [2011-12-02 22:41:32] <MrTT> and it was under 20
  790. [2011-12-02 22:41:50] <MrTT> that being said... an IT is not a PMC
  791. [2011-12-02 22:42:01] <MrTT> especially not one in a tight knit group
  792. [2011-12-02 22:42:08] <BUTTZ> MrTT did you ever watch that Guns for Hire documentary?
  793. [2011-12-02 22:42:09] <MrTT> that you need to trust
  794. [2011-12-02 22:42:16] <MrTT> whic one?
  795. [2011-12-02 22:42:26] <BUTTZ> The one with the dudes in Iraqistand
  796. [2011-12-02 22:42:42] <MrTT> no
  797. [2011-12-02 22:42:52] <BUTTZ> http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/guns-for-hire-afghanistan/
  798. [2011-12-02 22:42:58] <BUTTZ> They were naming prices in there
  799. [2011-12-02 22:42:58] <MrTT> sorry, i just can't hold it anymore
  800. [2011-12-02 22:43:03] <MrTT> i gotta run and buy some chocolate
  801. [2011-12-02 22:43:04] <MrTT> later
  802. [2011-12-02 22:43:15] <BUTTZ> I never knew chocolate addiction was real
  803. [2011-12-02 22:43:21] <TheBeardiestBob> Line of argument: 'You may not be getting paid as much as you could, but look at the healthcare and housing-not to mention the home security!
  804. [2011-12-02 22:43:32] <Shifter35> It's opiate-type BUTTZ
  805. [2011-12-02 22:43:50] <Wutenheimer> http://www.wimp.com/amazonpackage/ I TOLD YOU ABOUT THEM CONVEYERS BRO, I TOLD YOU
  806. [2011-12-02 22:44:15] <BUTTZ> "Not to mention you get to live with me! That's worth extra, even if we were all living in a tent!"
  807. [2011-12-02 22:44:42] <BUTTZ> "Just ask Camella about when we shared that little apartment."
  808. [2011-12-02 22:44:52] <Arkeus> lol
  809. [2011-12-02 22:45:22] <Ironybot> "All the supernatural critters liked her more because she had my smell."
  810. [2011-12-02 22:45:43] <Arkeus> :D
  811. [2011-12-02 22:45:52] <Guile> Good thinking, you two! We'll disguise our PMC as our harem
  812. [2011-12-02 22:45:56] <Guile> theyll never see it coming
  813. [2011-12-02 22:46:00] <Arkeus> lol
  814. [2011-12-02 22:46:05] <Arkeus> Drag King Armas indeed
  815. [2011-12-02 22:46:06] <BUTTZ> I'm not even using my brain!
  816. [2011-12-02 22:46:29] <TheBeardiestBob> >mfw wtf's going on in here
  817. [2011-12-02 22:46:39] <Arkeus> lol
  818. [2011-12-02 22:47:10] <Shifter35> We totally should get the drag-queen Meat of Champions then.
  819. [2011-12-02 22:47:32] <BUTTZ> "I'm going to eat your heart out, Ru Paul!"
  820. [2011-12-02 22:48:35] <Wutenheimer> so uh
  821. [2011-12-02 22:48:48] <Wutenheimer> why are we insistant on going illegal pmc?
  822. [2011-12-02 22:48:54] <BUTTZ> I don't think we are
  823. [2011-12-02 22:48:59] <BUTTZ> We're just not ready to go legal yet
  824. [2011-12-02 22:49:00] <Wutenheimer> why not get in contact with aldat
  825. [2011-12-02 22:49:04] <Ironybot> Anyway, the way I'm looking at this, the company's going to provide ammo for everyone, weapons for everyone if they need replacements or we want upgrades, living arrangements, vehicles, magic items, extremely valuable training, delicious food, stupidly awesome magic powers, new clothing, healthcare that includes things like limb replacement and potentially resurrection, and lifelong...
  826. [2011-12-02 22:49:04] <Ironybot> ...friendships that will never, ever, ever go away no matter how much they want to escape. Even after they retire we'll still have a chunk of their soul and thus have them ensconced comfortably in our mind-net.
  827. [2011-12-02 22:49:25] <Ironybot> All that is expensive as fuck, and honestly I have no idea how much money we'll even have left to pay everyone afterward.
  828. [2011-12-02 22:49:46] <Arkeus> when all those are done they would be in our clan
  829. [2011-12-02 22:49:51] <Arkeus> but before that, they should be paid
  830. [2011-12-02 22:50:22] <Guile> I like the way you think. The russians will be 80 and we'll still be popping around when we get bored
  831. [2011-12-02 22:50:33] <BUTTZ> Why should they get old?
  832. [2011-12-02 22:50:46] <BUTTZ> If we do the heart thing won't they benefit from our bloodlines too?
  833. [2011-12-02 22:50:48] <Guile> I said theyd be 80, not that they'd be geriatric
  834. [2011-12-02 22:50:53] <BUTTZ> Oh ok
  835. [2011-12-02 22:50:59] <Wutenheimer> http://www.wimp.com/strangertypes/ OH LAWDY SO CREEPY
  836. [2011-12-02 22:51:26] <Wutenheimer> armas needs to do this
  837. [2011-12-02 22:51:32] <Guile> Dunno if they'll benefit from our whaitiri-granted stuff, although I DO hope the Heart would turn them into Whaitiri lay brothers
  838. [2011-12-02 22:51:35] <Wutenheimer> and creep the FUCK out of the kid
  839. [2011-12-02 22:51:43] <BUTTZ> Do this? He needs to teach the Redcaps how to do this!
  840. [2011-12-02 22:51:46] <Wutenheimer> so the kid will NEVER TRUST A STRANGER
  841. [2011-12-02 22:52:09] <Ironybot> Interesting point to bring up with the heart and agelessness. If everyone in the company gets to stay in the prime of their life, and none of us are going to die unless we all die... we'll probably be around for a very, very long time.
  842. [2011-12-02 22:53:01] <BUTTZ> I'm glad to see that there's no "Arcade Cabinet Trap" stranger there.
  843. [2011-12-02 22:53:55] <BUTTZ> Because sometimes I do that. I see a kid messing with a game that's in demo mode and I just stick some quarters in it and let them go to town, and I go do whatever it was I was doing. Usually getting food or something.
  844. [2011-12-02 22:57:34] <TheBeardiestBob> http://www.wimp.com/fireextinguishing/
  845. [2011-12-02 22:58:20] <BUTTZ> The earliest commercial fire extinguishers were just disposable glass bulbs
  846. [2011-12-02 22:58:33] <Ironybot> Can we return the discussion to the fact that Bob said there's a way we could get Hillevi in the heart net without having Markku murder us? This demands collective brainstorming, because the reward from it is high.
  847. [2011-12-02 22:58:49] <BUTTZ> Duh Irony
  848. [2011-12-02 22:58:50] <BUTTZ> Marry her
  849. [2011-12-02 22:58:56] <BUTTZ> God you're thick
  850. [2011-12-02 22:58:57] <Ironybot> ...
  851. [2011-12-02 22:59:14] <Ironybot> Is Markku actually inclined to LET us marry her? Armas is still random mongrel man.
  852. [2011-12-02 22:59:18] <BUTTZ> http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/7/0/5/0/9/ar120344637490507.jpg
  853. [2011-12-02 22:59:33] <BUTTZ> Markku can't actually handle her that well, in case you didn't notice
  854. [2011-12-02 22:59:34] <Ironybot> I mean, a friend, sure, but he's pretty fucked up.
  855. [2011-12-02 22:59:34] <TheBeardiestBob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up07KXvMQa4&feature=player_embedded#!
  856. [2011-12-02 23:00:14] <TheBeardiestBob> Japan, as ever being... strange
  857. [2011-12-02 23:01:04] <BUTTZ> Oh man I remember this one
  858. [2011-12-02 23:01:09] <BUTTZ> from like, 2002
  859. [2011-12-02 23:02:22] <Ironybot> He can't handle her that well, it's true. But... hrm. I had basically chalked up marrying Hillevi as being exceedingly difficult, if it were feasible at all, just because Armas himself is obviously not the greatest of guys. Though admittedly Markku may not have discerned that quite as much as, say, Einrik did.
  860. [2011-12-02 23:02:35] <Wutenheimer> lolwut
  861. [2011-12-02 23:02:47] <TheBeardiestBob> Okay, actually starting update
  862. [2011-12-02 23:03:30] <Wutenheimer> onry japan
  863. [2011-12-02 23:04:29] <Arkeus> yay
  864. [2011-12-02 23:04:59] <MrTT> blech
  865. [2011-12-02 23:05:04] <MrTT> nasty american chocolates
  866. [2011-12-02 23:05:11] <MrTT> reminds me why i so rarely eat chocolate
  867. [2011-12-02 23:05:27] <MrTT> in NY i stumbled across an asian store that sold the german brand Kinder chcolate
  868. [2011-12-02 23:05:32] <MrTT> I haven't eaten it since israel
  869. [2011-12-02 23:05:50] <MrTT> or occasional rare venture to a speciality store
  870. [2011-12-02 23:06:08] <MrTT> had a bar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder_Chocolate
  871. [2011-12-02 23:06:14] <MrTT> and that one with the humps... mmm so good
  872. [2011-12-02 23:06:15] <Shifter35> Heh, buying that stuff is worth the weird looks you get from kids.
  873. [2011-12-02 23:06:18] <MrTT> so i had to have more now
  874. [2011-12-02 23:06:30] <MrTT> but all they had in kroger was disgusting american chocolate
  875. [2011-12-02 23:07:06] <MrTT> best i could do was some jelly belly jelly beans, skinny cow icecream bar, and some ferrero rocher
  876. [2011-12-02 23:07:11] <MrTT> not even close but will have to do
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  878. [2011-12-02 23:08:12] <MrTT> shifter
  879. [2011-12-02 23:08:16] <MrTT> where do you buy kinder bars
  880. [2011-12-02 23:08:21] <MrTT> and why do kids give you funny looks?
  881. [2011-12-02 23:08:58] <Shifter35> Because the Kinder bars are marketed as a kid's treat quite a bit in Australia.
  882. [2011-12-02 23:08:58] <BUTTZ> The name literally means "kid's chocolate" doesn't it?
  883. [2011-12-02 23:09:17] <Shifter35> Pretty much Buttz.
  884. [2011-12-02 23:09:42] <BUTTZ> I knew that semester of Spanish would pay off!
  885. [2011-12-02 23:10:22] <Shifter35> Still, we have Aldi, Big W with their surplus imported Belgian and Belly flops from surplus stores that sell foreign candy.
  886. [2011-12-02 23:10:31] <MrTT> actually kinder literally means "children"
  887. [2011-12-02 23:10:42] <BUTTZ> The Jelly Belly factory is awesome
  888. [2011-12-02 23:10:47] <MrTT> presumably it is so delicious because it is made of children
  889. [2011-12-02 23:10:52] <BUTTZ> They have a fucking SHRINE to Ronald Regan inside it.
  890. [2011-12-02 23:10:53] <mib_owya6x> Is that the equivalent of licking a giant spiral colored lollipop?
  891. [2011-12-02 23:10:59] <BUTTZ> Like a no-shit entire wall
  892. [2011-12-02 23:11:07] <MrTT> wow, really?
  893. [2011-12-02 23:11:09] <MrTT> that is awesome
  894. [2011-12-02 23:11:19] <BUTTZ> With pictures of him, eating jelly beans and being the president
  895. [2011-12-02 23:11:49] <Wutenheimer> NIGGA GON FISHIN
  896. [2011-12-02 23:11:52] <BUTTZ> Ronald Regan, patron saint of jelly beans.
  897. [2011-12-02 23:12:32] <mib_owya6x> Don't they have a portrait of him made out of jelly beans?
  898. [2011-12-02 23:12:43] <MrTT> when ronald regan goes home from a long day of fixing the economy and making us all prosper, he needs to relax. And nothing relaxes him more then the refreshing taste of delicious jelly beans
  899. [2011-12-02 23:12:46] <BUTTZ> Yeah that's in the factory packing area mib
  900. [2011-12-02 23:13:01] <BUTTZ> With the other giant portraits and jelly bean art
  901. [2011-12-02 23:13:37] <BUTTZ> It's right over where they keep their sugar stocks if I remember correctly
  902. [2011-12-02 23:22:55] <MrTT> is it... a mountain of suhar?
  903. [2011-12-02 23:23:32] <Shifter35> Just a huge silo that is kept cool.
  904. [2011-12-02 23:25:17] <MrTT> :(
  905. [2011-12-02 23:25:38] |<-- MrazyCan has left irc.rizon.net (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  906. [2011-12-02 23:25:44] <Shifter35> :P
  907. [2011-12-02 23:31:29] <BUTTZ> It's just a bunch of pallets and shelves
  908. [2011-12-02 23:42:14] <BUTTZ> http://www.wimp.com/catsmind/
  909. [2011-12-02 23:43:52] <BUTTZ> http://www.wimp.com/drinkingdriving/
  910. [2011-12-02 23:48:07] <Guile> Just came back and caught up on convo. I am now imagining Armas teaching his kids to never trust anyone, ever
  911. [2011-12-02 23:48:24] <Guile> roping in Big Crazy, Lammy, Camella, SM - just about everyone
  912. [2011-12-02 23:48:51] <Ironybot> Speaking of not trusting people, I have high hopes for the heart plan re: Armas' rampant paranoia.
  913. [2011-12-02 23:49:34] <Ironybot> Even if he starts totally losing it, it will take a VERY high level of paranoia before he stops trusting people whose very souls are linked to him.
  914. [2011-12-02 23:49:35] <mib_owya6x> I think Armas would spot a pedophile and crack open his copy of To Serve Man
  915. [2011-12-02 23:49:54] <Guile> or our paranoia becomes so powerful we micromanage everything involved with the heart, and our paranoia poisons the russians, causing them to distrust us and each other
  916. [2011-12-02 23:49:58] <Guile> it all ends in tears
  917. [2011-12-02 23:50:01] <BUTTZ> Man we have to get the redcaps a copy of that short story
  918. [2011-12-02 23:50:02] <Guile> and death
  919. [2011-12-02 23:50:05] <BUTTZ> They'll get a kick out of it
  920. [2011-12-02 23:50:19] <Ironybot> I don't think that our paranoia is strong enough to infect and corrupt like two dozen other people.
  921. [2011-12-02 23:50:29] <Guile> not YET
  922. [2011-12-02 23:50:48] <Guile> But then, the Heart plan isnt right around the corner to implement, either. Level 7 paranoia, here we come.
  923. [2011-12-02 23:50:56] <Arkeus> Ironybot: bob did say it was more likely than we thought that the russians would all become 'exhibitionsists' because of armas
  924. [2011-12-02 23:51:04] <Arkeus> though maybe it wasn't quite the term he used
  925. [2011-12-02 23:51:31] <Ironybot> I thought that was because when your choices are not having sex or having sex while people in your head know about it, you learn to like being watched.
  926. [2011-12-02 23:51:41] <BUTTZ> What, we're going to end up with 18 naked people shooting AKMs and tapping into the Belief that being naked in battle makes you more invincible?
  927. [2011-12-02 23:51:52] <Arkeus> :D
  928. [2011-12-02 23:52:13] <Guile> just imagine if two of the russians have sex with each other during the heart plan! we get both sides of the action
  929. [2011-12-02 23:52:25] <Guile> I wonder if it would be split-screen co-op mode, or...?
  930. [2011-12-02 23:52:54] <mib_owya6x> It'd be an odd experience for both parties involved as well
  931. [2011-12-02 23:53:01] <BUTTZ> I WANT ONE OF THESE: http://www.wimp.com/sphericalmachine/
  932. [2011-12-02 23:53:09] <BUTTZ> Hell I want a whole fleet of them
  933. [2011-12-02 23:53:17] <BUTTZ> I'll set them up to shine bright lights at people
  934. [2011-12-02 23:53:30] <Guile> and then there's the fact that one of the two could be in the other participant's brainpan, effectively having sex with themselves
  935. [2011-12-02 23:53:35] <BUTTZ> This will be way better than the dog-poop bomb
  936. [2011-12-02 23:53:35] <Guile> and critiquing their own performance
  937. [2011-12-02 23:54:05] <Guile> There arent even TERMS for the psychological disorder we can inflict on each other with magic
  938. [2011-12-02 23:54:31] <mib_owya6x> We need to stick a psychologist in the heart
  939. [2011-12-02 23:54:39] <mib_owya6x> And watch him go slowly insane trying to deal with everyone
  940. [2011-12-02 23:54:53] <Guile> BAM! We can now offer therapy as part of the healthcare plan
  941. [2011-12-02 23:54:54] <Arkeus> i really want to fin a way to include weasel wine in this
  942. [2011-12-02 23:55:08] <Guile> because being horrendously drunk makes everything better
  943. [2011-12-02 23:55:32] <mib_owya6x> You know
  944. [2011-12-02 23:55:33] <Guile> that spherical flying thing is awesome. Attach rotor blades, turn it into a decapitation machine/assassination tool
  945. [2011-12-02 23:55:34] <Ironybot> It's already included indirectly, sorta. As long as we have Sake in the link, he'll be able to power himself up while everyone else draws on his power, I think.
  946. [2011-12-02 23:55:43] <mib_owya6x> We neglected an important specialization for a Russian
  947. [2011-12-02 23:56:13] <Guile> weasel wine is non-physical, isnt it? Its a purely mental, magical form of inebriation
  948. [2011-12-02 23:56:20] <Guile> that should spread through the Heart
  949. [2011-12-02 23:57:02] <Ironybot> Though from what I recall, we still haven't determined if or how to get Sake in the link at all. His current body is just a possessed one, not really something we can link in through its heartsblood.
  950. [2011-12-02 23:57:55] <Guile> The body effects the mind through hormones, dopamine, adrenaline and such. Seems like the body should likewise effect the spirit
  951. [2011-12-02 23:58:08] <Guile> what binds Ramidreju body should effect Sake
  952. [2011-12-02 23:58:38] <mib_owya6x> You know next time we get an outfit we need to specify Sake finally get tiny glasses for him to adjust on his snout
  953. [2011-12-02 23:59:04] <mib_owya6x> As per Shadowbros suggestion
  954. [2011-12-02 23:59:27] <BUTTZ> Tiny glasses and a little librarian outfit
  955. [2011-12-02 23:59:41] <Ironybot> I think he needs cufflinks.
  956. [2011-12-02 23:59:43] <TheBeardiestBob> You mean a sock to sleep in.
  957. [2011-12-02 23:59:49] <TheBeardiestBob> so he pokes out, bespectacled
  958. [2011-12-02 23:59:52] <TheBeardiestBob> and berates you
  959. [2011-12-02 23:59:53] <Guile> he needs a victorian outfit
  960. [2011-12-02 23:59:56] <TheBeardiestBob> then you fall over
  961. [2011-12-02 23:59:58] <Guile> tophat, monocle, cravat
  962. [2011-12-03 00:00:01] <TheBeardiestBob> just because fuck you, weasel powers
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