#Earth: ~ws new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
#Earth: ~ws add Gourgeist-Super
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super added
#Earth: ~ws add Mantine
@BB-8-NU: Mantine added
@yogurtbear: sub mantine?
#Earth: i really like sub mantine compared to the defog set
@yogurtbear: y
@erisia: so this would probably be semi stall then
@yogurtbear: yeh
@yogurtbear: full stall is hard without quag
@yogurtbear: we need a SR that can recover hp imo
 Fragmented: solrock/lunatone/torterra
@yogurtbear: miltank, arch and ferro (kinda)
@yogurtbear: hmm
@yogurtbear: I actually like solrock
 Fragmented: there's also kecleon
@yogurtbear: kec is meh
 Fragmented: i like miltank for the heal bell to get rid of status
@yogurtbear: solrock gives a second ground resist and momentum with bp
#Earth: that could be cool
@Evann: WAIT DO PEOPLE USE SOLROCK NOW
@Evann: LOL FINALLY
@yogurtbear: kinda
 Fragmented: eternally made it cool
@yogurtbear: brb
  Eternally: I heard solrock and came in
  Eternally: are we using it
#Earth: probably
#Earth: and Evann solrock sorta got hyped
#Earth: a little
@Evann: i leave for 2 weeks and the whole tier gets thrown to shit
@Eternally: ~~I got it ranked and im writing the analysis for it~~
@Evann: tauros suspect / jynx s rank / solrock used
#Earth: lmao
#Earth: alright so uh
#Earth: solrock would be cool as yogurtbear suggested
#Earth: but maybe we could find something else
#Earth: what do you guys think
 Fragmented: we go with that first?
#Earth: most likely
#Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine
#Earth: Eternally help!
  diarrhee: audino mega
@erisia: i mean we could go full stall
@Eternally: Are we full stall or semi
@erisia: with haze / defog / scald / toxic mantine
 0NI /: " Gourgeist Stall Workshop "
 0NI /: full stall .
@erisia: only thing is how does full stall deal with xatu
 Fragmented: dragon tail
 0NI /: sliggoo
 0NI /: curse ?
@yogurtbear: back
#Earth: wb
@yogurtbear: what's new?
#Earth: nothing
@yogurtbear: ah
#Earth: i'd like something for subnp jynx yoo
#Earth: *too
@Eternally: lol yogurtbear
@yogurtbear: that's why I think we should go semi tbh
@yogurtbear: :3
@Eternally: we can use Metang
#Earth: yeah, i like metang
#Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine
#Earth: is anybody against metang
 0NI /: mag check >>> sliggoo
@yogurtbear: sliggoo straight counters mag tbh
@yogurtbear: but I don't wanna rely on too many nfe evo pokes
#Earth: we would need something to take
 0NI /: semi stall with yama
 0NI /: ?
#Earth: these
#Earth: knock offs
  LERU: colbur gourgeist
 0NI /: audino mega
 0NI /: Earth
#Earth: audino mega is a cool idea
 0NI /: audino / mantine / gourgeist / sliggoo / metang / weezing ?
  brimson bhin: If you're using gourg you should probs make some cool spikes semi stall build imo
@yogurtbear: n oni, viv eats us hard
@Eternally: well there's only one way to solve that yogurtbear
@Eternally: van bivillon
@yogurtbear: y
#Earth: ~ws add Metang
@BB-8-NU: Metang added
#Earth: anybody against this
@erisia: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine / Metang
 0NI /: need mag check and knock off check
 0NI /: :
@erisia: metang for rocker sounds decent
@erisia: mega audino seems like an obvious choice
 0NI /: gourgeist / mantine / metang / audino mega / sliggoo
 0NI /: :x
@yogurtbear: I like metang because it beats jynx tbh
@yogurtbear: with bullet punch
@erisia: !learn metang, skill swap
@yogurtbear: rip
@erisia: !learn bronzor, skill swap
@Eternally: !learn metang, psych up
@yogurtbear: bronzor is way too passive tho
@erisia: ngl but skill swapping xatu could be cool
  brimson bhin: It's stall lmao
#Earth: !learn gourgeist-xl, skill swap
#Earth: :P
@erisia: stealth rock / toxic / psywave / skill swap
@erisia: also that's true
@yogurtbear: I still like metang to beat jynx
#Earth: same
@yogurtbear: i think vig as a wincon would be interesting
@yogurtbear: but, it'd **have** to run a dark type move on stall
 Fragmented: yama
 Fragmented: knock off
@yogurtbear: hm
 Fragmented: we could run bulky malamar?
#Earth: what do you mean by bulky
 Fragmented: max sp.def max hp
@yogurtbear: max hp/spd
 0NI /: spdef
 Fragmented: or is that considered standard
@yogurtbear: standard
#Earth: that's standard
@yogurtbear: atm
@Eternally: thats the only malamar set
#Earth: any other malamar set
#Earth: is trash
@yogurtbear: ^
 0NI /: vivillon 6-0 .
#Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine / Metang
 Fragmented: i like a heal beller in a stall team, but thats just me
 0NI /: audino mega
@yogurtbear: m-aud seems nice
 0NI /: altaria / sliggoo
 0NI /: need mag check
 0NI /: :/
@yogurtbear: m-aud checks it well enough
 Fragmented: audino could work as a secondary win con with calm mind
 0NI /: o
 0NI /: miltank spdef thick fat
 0NI /: heal bell
 0NI /: with weezing toxic spikes ?
@yogurtbear: actually
 0NI /: http://puu.sh/q2BNx/d068495e1b.png
@yogurtbear: circle throw throh seems nice for phazing
@yogurtbear: and with mold breaker it can beat xatu with toxic
 0NI /: audino mega cm can beat xatu
 0NI /: with miltank heal bell
 Fragmented: but i doubt it would appreciate taking a hit from xatu
@yogurtbear: m-aud can't beat either cm mush or cm xatu with stored power of psyshock
 Fragmented: yh
@yogurtbear: *or
@erisia: mold breaker vs xatu actually sounds interesting
 0NI /: haze mantine
@erisia: i used to just run skunk
@erisia: and trap it early on
 Fragmented: throh does get knock off too
@yogurtbear: we could run defog skunk with pursuit?
 0NI /: mantine
 0NI /: has defog
@yogurtbear: defog mantine sucks tho
@yogurtbear: i much prefer sub toxic :/
#Earth: sub toxic is cooler
#Earth: but
 0NI /: is mantine useful ?
#Earth: i think that eternally showed a set earlier
#Earth: it was uh
 Fragmented: the stall core is gourgeist+mantine
#Earth: toxic haze scald defog iirc
 Fragmented: so we arent changing that part
@yogurtbear: swap defog for sub imo
@yogurtbear: and we're golden
#Earth: why not yeah
#Earth: so what are we adding
#Earth: mega audino?
 0NI /: ofc
@yogurtbear: heal bell dino and defog skunk
#Earth: ~ws add Audino Mega
@BB-8-NU: Audino Mega added
#Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine / Metang / Audino Mega
#Earth: isnt viv annoying tho
@erisia: magmortar stall D:
@yogurtbear: garb actually seems decent here
 0NI /: weezing / magmortar
#Earth: what would weezing bring
 0NI /: wow
 0NI /: but forgot
#Earth: gourg
 0NI /: gourgeist and mantine.
@erisia: mag helps vs xatu too i guess
@yogurtbear: mag is nice yeh
#Earth: ~ws add Magmortar
@BB-8-NU: Magmortar added
#Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine / Metang / Audino Mega / Magmortar
#Earth: what are we weak to
 Fragmented: av mag?
@yogurtbear: hazards
 0NI /: garbodor / skuntank
 0NI /: garbodor = defog mantine
#Earth: defog + spikes :s
@yogurtbear: we don't want a defogger with garb tho
+Shadowtags: Defog + spikes isn't terrible on stall js
@yogurtbear: hmm
+Shadowtags: since you're playing with a long term state of mind anyway
@yogurtbear: true
@yogurtbear: and objections to possibly having BU vig as the final mon
@yogurtbear: ?
+Shadowtags: gives you a Viv check
#Earth: yh
#Earth: i want vig tbh
+Shadowtags: Another one at least
#Earth: ~ws add BU Vigoroth
@BB-8-NU: BU Vigoroth added
#Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine / Metang / Audino Mega / Magmortar / BU Vigoroth
@erisia: yeah vig stall sounds good
@erisia: we could probably swap magmortar out for something else then
 0NI /: skuntank
 0NI /: ?
@erisia: i like skuntank a lot
@erisia: absorb t spikes, pressure xatu
 0NI /: mismagius np
#Earth: no
#Earth: not mismagius
 0NI /: is annoying
@yogurtbear: skunk imo
#Earth: skunk would be fie
+Shadowtags: Mag breaking teams early game sounds sick for vig
+Shadowtags: either one works imo
@erisia: well stall breaks teams too :p
#Earth: Im down for skunk
#Earth: is anybody against it
@yogurtbear: poll
@erisia: and cleric support lets you run that bulk up / amnesia / slack off / facade set
@yogurtbear: and y
 0NI /: need skuntank imo
@yogurtbear: skunk wins lol
#Earth: yea
#Earth: alright
#Earth: ~ws delete Magmortar
@BB-8-NU: Unrecognized command: delete Magmortar
+Shadowtags: Well yeah stall breaks teams, I wasn't sure if semi stall or stall was what you guys wanted to end up with
#Earth: ~ws remove Magmortar
@BB-8-NU: Magmortar removed
#Earth: ~ws add Skuntank
@BB-8-NU: Skuntank added
@yogurtbear: we can run defog on that and then go sub on mantine now
#Earth: yea
 0NI /: sub or taunt
 0NI /: vigo
#Earth: I'd go for sub
#Earth: taunt is cool too
@yogurtbear: amnesia like erisia said
#Earth: Oh
@erisia: we have skunk for general taunting
@yogurtbear: shuca on skunk?
#Earth: I mean we're using defog aren't we
 0NI /: pursuit sp defog taunt skun ?
 0NI /: lum looks better imo
#Earth: I don't like phsyical defog
@erisia: physical defog is okay for stall
@yogurtbear: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine / Metang / Audino Mega / BU Vigoroth / Skuntank
#Earth: i guess that we can go for it
@yogurtbear: physical defog traps xatu
@erisia: are we still doing sub tox mantine
@yogurtbear: y
#Earth: yh
#Earth: sub tox haze scald
@erisia: because my first thought is how do we deal with setup sweepers
@erisia: oh haze right
@erisia: lol
@yogurtbear: lol
#Earth: yza
 0NI /: metang spread ?
#Earth: Max hp spdef i assume
@yogurtbear: SR, bullet punch, meteor mash, filler
#Earth: Pursuit
#Earth: to trap jynx
 0NI /: yh
@yogurtbear: i had that :3
@yogurtbear: reading my mind
#Earth: we could even tun sleep talk
@yogurtbear: nah
@yogurtbear: jynx won't stay in
#Earth: I guess, anyway i prefer pursuit
@yogurtbear: y
@yogurtbear: we using A's weird vig spread?
 0NI /: seed bomb gourg ?
 0NI /: or foul play
#Earth: what kind of weird spread yogi
@yogurtbear: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 16 Def / 216 SpD / 12 Spe
@yogurtbear: and foul play oni
#Earth: we don't want something gimmick, just something effective
#Earth: what does 12 speed do
@yogurtbear: it hit jump points
@erisia: white vigs can't jump
#Earth: i guess that we can use it
 0NI /: amnesia vigoroth ?
@erisia: it's basically like stored power mush
 0NI /: bulk up facade amnesia slack off ? ^
#Earth: Yes
@yogurtbear: y
 0NI /: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 16 Def / 216 SpD / 12 Spe ?
#Earth: yes
 0NI /: or 248/252
#Earth: im not so sure
#Earth: tbh
@erisia: in fact this is going to sound daft but would running vig + stored power musharna on a normal team be a good idea
 0NI /: give skuntank and audino spread pls
@yogurtbear: A's outspeeds poliwrath 160 ev and base 60 neutrals
 0NI /: 232 / 132 / 144 ?
 0NI /: or 84 speed
 0NI /: //pick
#Earth: we should just go for A's
#Earth: it seems interesting
@yogurtbear: oni, the first one imo
 0NI /: so
 0NI /: no poison jab ?
 0NI /: pursuit sp taunt defog
@yogurtbear: hmm
+Shadowtags: If anything just drop pursuit
 0NI /: black sludge / lum / ?
@yogurtbear: we need pursuit shadowtags
@yogurtbear: for xatu
 0NI /: pivot audino ?
@yogurtbear: heal bell, wish, d-gleam, protect probs
 0NI /: http://www.hastebin.com/ihohigijam.md
@erisia: yeah we need heal bell + wish to give vig a second chance if required
 0NI /: forgot 4 evs
 0NI /: frustration or facade
 0NI /: vig
@yogurtbear: facade
 0NI /: okok
 0NI /: http://www.hastebin.com/uwedoxipuf.md *
 0NI /: opinions ?
@yogurtbear: change gourgs ability to frisk
 0NI /: oh
 0NI /: true
 0NI /: did
 0NI /: http://www.hastebin.com/cotufacabe.md
@yogurtbear: looks good tho
@yogurtbear: who wants to test it?
 0NI /: not me
 0NI /: hate stall
#Earth: Shadowtags are you up for a test battle in like 5 mins
+Shadowtags: Sure
@yogurtbear: #hype
@yogurtbear: i don't hate stall, i'm just not patient enough lol
 0NI /: did u test ?
@yogurtbear: not yet
@erisia: i think something we should do before releasing is just go through all the S-B ranks and make sure we're not super weak to anything
+Shadowtags: What happened to playing in five minutes? Lol
@yogurtbear: erisia, arch could be worrying
#Earth: sry i have to get on my comp
@erisia: how much does arch do to metang
@yogurtbear: 252 Atk Archeops Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Metang: 154-182 (47.5 - 56.1%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO
@yogurtbear: e-power does 0 tho
#Earth: Isnt eq rare on cheops
#Earth: I usually just see epower
@yogurtbear: mostly
@yogurtbear: we __could__ slash t-wave on m-dino for protect
@erisia: idk we seem to be pretty reliant on damaging status
@yogurtbear: tru
@erisia: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/nu-checks-compendium.3563159/#post-6894829
#Earth: Oh damn stags logged off
#Earth: anyone else wanna play
@erisia: well not that post but the thread in general is useful
@erisia: i can play quickly i guess
#Earth: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-400133630
@erisia: well you beat jynx
@yogurtbear: save that replay imo
#Earth: done lol
@yogurtbear: how do we fare vs tauros
#Earth: Fire blast 3hkos gourg right
@erisia: okay challenge me for real
#Earth: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-400134860
@yogurtbear: earth
@yogurtbear: vig beats weezing lol
@yogurtbear: how can we beat weezing
#Earth: maybe we could replace audino
#Earth: idk
@erisia: preserve mantine better
@yogurtbear: tru
@yogurtbear: or taunt over amnesia on vig
@erisia: yeah that could also work
#Earth: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-400140349
  carcy: ola
#Earth: hi
#Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Gourgeist-Super / Mantine / Metang / Audino Mega / BU Vigoroth / Skuntank
  carcy: how much does mega audi take from lo mag?
#Earth: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-400140349
#Earth: carcy
#Earth: uh
#Earth: wrong c/p lol
  carcy: ?
@@Eternally: lol
#Earth: 252+ SpA Life Orb Magmortar Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 128+ SpD Mega Audino: 168-199 (40.9 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
  carcy: just saying that cause i feel fires a bit tough to deal with on that team
  carcy: but then again
  carcy: if i were buildin stall, id always use sliggoo
  carcy: as a catch all
  carcy: but i dont see what i would change
#Earth: how could it fit here though
#Earth: yea
#Earth: but special lure lix can be so annoying when mantine leaves, wasnt expecting it
  carcy: actually
@@Eternally: unfort matchup with special lix + hp electric chicken lol
  carcy: what do you think of
#Earth: yea Eternally that literally
  carcy: zweilous > skunk
#Earth: eats us
  carcy: or altaria somewhere
@yogurtbear: !learn altaria, defog
@yogurtbear: :(
@yogurtbear: earth we done here or?
#Earth: still need an actual replay where the team wins lol
#Earth: can you do a battle with it yogi
@yogurtbear: sure
#Earth: do you have a replay now yogurtbear
@yogurtbear: almost
@yogurtbear: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/nususpecttest-400150701
@yogurtbear: how's that earth
#Earth: sounds cool, thanks