Jan 20, 2017 5:22 PM
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i added to atlas' app, would you be willing to look and see what else it needs?
Jan 20, 2017 5:24 PM
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Yeah sure I'm about to go on supper so I'll read it then
Jan 20, 2017 6:03 PM
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Ugh sorry ambulances came in it'll have to wait until I get home ♡
Jan 20, 2017 6:03 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
omg that's awful
Jan 20, 2017 11:52 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
heeeey so i'm not trying to be annoying and you may have just forgotten but i saw you in the cbox so..
Jan 20, 2017 11:54 PM
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yesss just got home a little bit ago
how're you?
Jan 20, 2017 11:54 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
a lil tired but okay, you?
Jan 20, 2017 11:56 PM
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ugh so tired
been exhausted this whole week
it's the worst
and sad about trump today
Jan 20, 2017 11:56 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
ugh same
4:38 PM
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helllooo
5:15 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
 hii
5:24 PM
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how're you?
5:26 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
fine you?
jules's icon
NOT SO EXHAUSTED today
which is nice
5:27 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
that's good
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it's pretty joyous ngl
5:28 PM
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so i and staff read atlas' app and there's some stuff still left to address and so i'm wondering if you're up for workshopping with me? i get that you might be turned off this character so I don't want to harrass you if you're not into it anymore
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
there's very little that i'm into at all on wh at this point lmao but that's fine
5:29 PM
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i'm sorry to hear that :(
5:31 PM
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so do you just want to leave it with atlas or? because i'm more than happy to work it with you or help you with other issues you might be having with the site
5:33 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
i'm kinda just at a loss at this point bc i think he'd be fun to play but i have no clue what to do when i built on the suggestions already
5:35 PM
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well that's what i'm here for absolutely
but i don't want to stress you out if you're not up for it
5:37 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
it's fine let's just do it
5:41 PM
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okay so i think one of the bigger things is that we still don't see how his sexual abuse traumatizes him, and him being wary of his guardian is only mentioned after the guardian's death. with suuuchhh a sensitive issue we want to be so careful with how it's handled
5:43 PM
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so like in your depiction of the character what
effects does his trauma have on him?
5:46 PM
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
on top of him latching onto barty in a way that's not quite healthy, and his inability to find something meaningful beyond meaningless sex?
59 mins ago
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yes? you don't delve much into his codependency with barty in the app and there would be all that time before he met barty/got to that level
was sexually mature enough to seek out meaningless sex
does he seek out repetitions? how does it affect his relationships with people not just sexually but friendships too? does he have studied issues with authority? are there certain things/places/items he can't handle?
58 mins ago
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i don't need you to answer every question obviously but in the app we just need to see that it's being handled a little more realistically
49 mins ago
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
would it be better if i just took it out
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if you feel like it's not central to the character then probably yes?
40 mins ago
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
i mean i feel like it's important to his inability to make meaningful relationships, difficulty w trust, fear of intimacy, yet it seems to be the biggest problem
33 mins ago
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then you should keep it, it just needs to be displayed more adeptly. people with trauma like his have behaviors outside of ones directly related to sex, you know?
and we still don't really know why he murders so easily
what have you got in mind for that?
27 mins ago
ciel.ackerman's iconciel.ackerman
idk i'll just take that out too lmao
20 mins ago
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the goal of this isn't for you to hack your character to pieces but if you don't know why he murders then it can't be very central to him?
14 mins ago
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it's not like he's murdering for the hell of it in his free time, it's on orders
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yeah but that still requires a certain something? like does he do it and feel guilty? does he do it and enjoy it? does it affect him at all whether or not he feels guilty/enjoys it
12 mins ago
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like his mother giving up magic is really interesting but you don't talk much about if that's why she drinks or if his relationship with his mother is why he can kill women without blinking