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  1. Never tell your password to anyone.
  2. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: alright join that
  3. Kevo241: send that invite again
  4. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: there you go
  5. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok?
  6. Kevo241: its saying i cant join because i dont have games on steam???
  7. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: you're kidding right?
  8. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: ok hold on let me try this
  9. Kevo241: no -.-'
  10. Your chat with Kevo241 is now a multi-user chat.
  11. Kevo241 has been invited to chat.
  12. Wheeze has been invited to chat.
  13. Wheeze entered chat.
  14. Cap'n has been invited to chat.
  15. Wonderboy has been invited to chat.
  16. Wheeze: dont you want to invite that wonderboy dude ?
  17. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok that work Kevo?
  18. Wonderboy entered chat.
  19. Kevo241: all right did that work?
  20. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Yes
  21. Wheeze: seems so
  22. Kevo241: awesome
  23. Kevo241: brb
  24. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Alright, Zeldar is in the toilet and he says we can start without him
  25. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well, we've been having some orgazational issues everywhere
  26. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Technical end, writer's end, etc
  27. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So, starting in this department, we're going to have some organizational methods in place
  28. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: JohnathanMoray and Azaer aren't here, but they are also part of this fyi
  29. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: May I continue?
  30. Wheeze: Yup
  31. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Finals for many of us are coming soon, so unless we do soemthing different, writing and editting will be bottlenecked
  32. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the editors are nearing the point where all buildings will be finalized
  33. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Yes?
  34. Cap'n has been invited to chat.
  35. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well, pretty soon we're going to have to start making quests
  36. Wheeze: Well there are alot of buildings yet to be made. Probably around 10.
  37. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The process of making quests needs to be streamlined
  38. Wheeze: Alot of buildings have yet to have characters moved in
  39. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: RIght, but its pretty close to being done
  40. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: NPCs are a big issue
  41. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: But anyway
  42. Wheeze: and some important structures are not made. They take alot of time to create too. Like the castle
  43. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: But the most part, its fairly done
  44. Wheeze: Around 80% I'd say
  45. Kevo241: we could still write for the parts that are done?
  46. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So, what I've proposed is this method of organization
  47. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: We split the writing department into different groups, each focused on individual factions, organizations, or lore
  48. Kevo241: oh, 80% not to bad.
  49. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Then we streamline the development process by making circular development
  50. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So here's the template, and I'll continue explaining
  51. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoNpGypm3LdudGRRWHVwN253MGhLZXZJV2RNeG1zTWc#gid=0
  52. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So, we will be having teams working
  53. Cap'n entered chat.
  54. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok hi Zeldar
  55. Wheeze: cap'n is zeldar ?
  56. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
  57. Cap'n: yes
  58. Wheeze: oh hi
  59. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Zeldar here's the template
  60. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoNpGypm3LdudGRRWHVwN253MGhLZXZJV2RNeG1zTWc#gid=0
  61. Cap'n: im oskutin in disguise huah
  62. Cap'n: kk
  63. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: But back to it
  64. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: We divide all writers into their respected department
  65. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And we follow a pattern of circular development
  66. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: One week, we write basic quest info
  67. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The next week, we write dialogue
  68. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The next week, we write the logs
  69. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: The next week, we edit
  70. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And then we send
  71. Wheeze: May I come in here ?
  72. Wheeze: and say something
  73. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Yes
  74. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: That's why you're here
  75. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: also it wouldnt be a week, but something like three days
  76. Kevo241: shit...  thats a really short period of time....
  77. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: "something like"
  78. Wheeze: Even though your methods of planning are well thought out and all that and I might not have a full understanding of this circular development idea you have here but I have 1 tiny problem
  79. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: its going to be flexible
  80. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes?
  81. Wheeze: The problem being: Alot of changes need to be done to quests when they are in development
  82. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Oh, I already have a solution for that
  83. Wheeze: If we are to follow your writing strictly then you are making quests an even bigger pain to make
  84. Wheeze: Yeah alright
  85. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Department heads
  86. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: They're the final sayers
  87. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So they'll be the guys that you contact
  88. Wheeze: yeah
  89. Cap'n: well that can be flexible as well
  90. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: when you need something like, "hey this doesnt work, can we change it to this?"
  91. Cap'n: yea
  92. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: then the dept. heads will go along and be like, "yeah" or, "let me contact the guy that wrote it"
  93. Wheeze: yeah, I get it.
  94. Wheeze: Continue
  95. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and having more people work in groups allows for flexibility
  96. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Alright
  97. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So following circular development
  98. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: It also gives us as people time
  99. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Because hell finals are coming up
  100. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And say, zeldar and I can't write anything when it NEEDS to be written
  101. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: then someone from that department can finish up
  102. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and send
  103. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that way, things can be done faster, and more efficient
  104. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and because we have loads of NPCs
  105. Wheeze: That seems like a pretty good plan
  106. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that need dialogue, need back stories, etc
  107. Wheeze: So let me try and understand this
  108. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah sure
  109. Wheeze: fully.
  110. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so like?
  111. Wheeze: I'm writing down my thoughts here
  112. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: k
  113. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Oh and Zeldar, Jonathan and Azaer are not here
  114. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Just fyi
  115. Cap'n: oh ok
  116. Kevo241: quick thing, apparently I can't add people but I can accept friend invites so if you all could send me an invite that would be great.
  117. Wheeze: lets say you take 3 day "development periods" to develop basic quest info
  118. Wheeze: and
  119. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: (kevo, i've already got that covered, wait for th end)
  120. Kevo241: all right, sorry.
  121. Wheeze: well does that pretty much mean that every writer will start working on quest info for their respective departments ?
  122. Wheeze: yeah It's obvious now that I write it down
  123. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: initially yes, but some departments will obviously need more, others less
  124. Wheeze: Right
  125. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and here's the way we organize this whole thing
  126. Wheeze: Alright we got overall plan of making individual quests
  127. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: I've already set up a steam group
  128. Wheeze: but what about history of luftahraan and characters ?
  129. Wheeze: how is that going to be made ? who makes that ?
  130. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: That will be for Luftahraan writers, and each department head will be an officer
  131. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: here's your answer wheeze
  132. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Each Department Head is going to be responsible for making a Steam Announcement entitled:
  133. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: "Pirate's Guild Department: Today's Objective is..."
  134. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and within that announcement will be the layout on how things need to be
  135. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what needs to be done
  136. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and so forth
  137. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so for example
  138. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Lore Department: Today's Objective is Scumbag Sewers NPC Batch 1
  139. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And then it will detail what is NPC Batch 1
  140. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: What we need to do with it
  141. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and the format of writing the stuff
  142. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that make sense?
  143. Wheeze: I guess
  144. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Having announcments also make flexible dev circles
  145. Wheeze: so this department head is the one that needs to plan out what the writers need to do
  146. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so the reason i have this meeting is three part
  147. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 1) To discuss this plan
  148. Wheeze: creating the plan itself
  149. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Thoughts? Concerns?
  150. Wheeze: Well
  151. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
  152. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: the department head plans wwhat the writers need to do
  153. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and also decides the finished product
  154. Wheeze: The only "problem" i know of is
  155. Wheeze: this seems to be so time based
  156. Wheeze: you know ?
  157. Wheeze: "Today's goal"
  158. Wheeze: and that 1week/3day thing
  159. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: well, i guess it wouldnt say today's
  160. Wheeze: some of us don't have the time to just sit down and work when told to
  161. Wheeze: So I think, in order for this to work fully, we'd need more writers
  162. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that's why i suggested having multiple people working in one department
  163. Wheeze: because then if 1 department head will create a plan
  164. Kevo241: yeah that was my concern
  165. Wheeze: it might not get finished very quickly
  166. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: again, this would be very flexible
  167. Cap'n: well the department head could set any goal for any amount of time he wants, ranging from 3 days to 3 weeks
  168. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: /\
  169. Cap'n: and so on
  170. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: its all up to the department head for time lengths of the development
  171. Wheeze: Do we need time at all ?
  172. Wheeze: Can't we just have "goals" ?
  173. Cap'n: yea that could work as well
  174. Wheeze: and then when this goal is reached
  175. Wheeze: we can go on to the next
  176. Cap'n: like "current goal: finish rest of dialogue"
  177. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: sure
  178. Cap'n: precisely
  179. Wheeze: as in 1 goal is to plan out 5 new quests
  180. Wheeze: then when that is done
  181. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: next goal
  182. Wheeze: we do the dialogue for these 5 quests
  183. Wheeze: and so on
  184. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah that works
  185. Cap'n: personally i dont feel the need to force obligations on people in a community project
  186. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: though i think ill call it "This Week's Goal" just for shits and gigles
  187. Wheeze: yeah
  188. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah, zeldar
  189. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Alright, well with that taken care of
  190. Wheeze: what does obligations mean ?
  191. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: means people have to do something
  192. Kevo241: To be expected to do something
  193. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we dont want them thinking they HAVE to do it
  194. Wheeze: yeah I'm reading up on it now
  195. Wheeze: well if we dont want that
  196. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok with that taken care of
  197. Kevo241: exactly
  198. Wheeze: what else is there to do ?
  199. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we want them to want to do it
  200. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: not feel like they have to do it
  201. Kevo241: Any graphic work need to be done?
  202. Wheeze: and how do we acheive that ?
  203. Kevo241: Or is that for when the project is more towards the completed side?
  204. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well there's a lot of people wanting to contribute
  205. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but dont have CK
  206. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: this section, writing, will let them contribute
  207. Wheeze: yeah I think we dont need any graphical work atm. unless you do 3d modelling or something
  208. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: they want to contribute
  209. Wheeze: right so we have people in departments
  210. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
  211. Wheeze: then we have random contributors ?
  212. Kevo241: I don't know to much about weapon of cloth modeling
  213. Cap'n: sort of off topic but have we tried to advertise for help in the nexus forums or has that been unsuccessful
  214. Kevo241: but i know a bit about text.
  215. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we could incorporate concept art into this area
  216. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: like, change it to the Art and Story sector
  217. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and have an entire department based on art
  218. Wheeze: Alright alright help me understand this one part
  219. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but that's something for future meetings imo
  220. Wheeze: if we have groups of people
  221. Wheeze: then how can we let anybody contribute ?
  222. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: we still let them contribute
  223. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but if they express that they want to help a lot
  224. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: then me, zeld, somebody, can refer them to us
  225. Wheeze: Yeah
  226. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Now I have a few more things specifically before the main bit
  227. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 1) Weekly meetings
  228. Wheeze: I like that idea
  229. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: We need weekly meetings with department heads, and/or everyone else so we can discuss what has been accomplished, what needs more time, what's nearing completion, where to go next
  230. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 2) Department Switching
  231. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: If someone wants to switch departments, that should be fine, agreed? No limitations
  232. Wheeze: yeah
  233. Kevo241: ok what about if they are in the middle of a concept?
  234. Wonderboy: Should we also have a google doc or something to upload what we're currently working on? It might help out with the iterative process throughout the week. So like someone could upload a first draft of a quest, and if someone else had time they could look through it and jot down suggestions.
  235. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that comes to my point three haha
  236. Kevo241: should they at least try to finish it before changing departments?
  237. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes Kevo, they should, but in case they are adamant, someone else from that department can pick up where they left off
  238. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: 3) Dropbox? Google Docs? Both?
  239. Kevo241: all right yeah
  240. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Google docs gets incredibly hectic when all the stuff is put in one spot
  241. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: So what I thought was, have all ideas go on Google Docs
  242. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and have all confirmed/completed quests, logs, etc in a Dropbox shared by all writers
  243. Kevo241: does anyone know how to formulate spread sheets?
  244. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: not really :(
  245. Kevo241: nevermind that wouldnt work anyways
  246. Wheeze: what is forumlating spread sheets ?
  247. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: And so with those three points completed
  248. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Right, so this sounds good? Splitting the writing sector into departments
  249. Kevo241: makes different cells react and change based off of each other
  250. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and have a department head be responsible for the final products and changes
  251. Kevo241: makes the cells dynamic instead of static
  252. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: /\ idk
  253. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: All in all, sounds good?
  254. Wheeze: yes it sounds good but we are putting alot of faith into these department heads. We should be able to, as a whole, decline decisions made by department heads if they are just not good at all
  255. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yea, editors obviously have higher say
  256. Wonderboy: So the writers are now also congress?
  257. Kevo241: all right I have to go. Some one brief me with the conclusion...
  258. Wheeze: It's better then the chaos we had before though
  259. Wheeze: haha congress
  260. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Wait Kevo
  261. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: ok last two things
  262. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: first before kevo goes
  263. Kevo241: ok hurry please.
  264. Kevo241: i'll be in a little bit
  265. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: bye
  266. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Ok finally
  267. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: I need to find out what departments you guys are interested in
  268. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: I know that Zeldar should be the department head of the pirate's
  269. Wheeze: Departments are like "pirate guild, KGB, Sovereign, Main quest" right ?
  270. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
  271. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: there will be more
  272. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but at the moment that's what should be focused on
  273. Wheeze: Right so there another concern pops up
  274. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: i think i know where you're going
  275. Wheeze: there are 4 departments right now and maybe more
  276. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what if there are too many departments?
  277. Wheeze: wouldn't that spread our resources a bit thin ?
  278. Wheeze: yes
  279. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Well let's take the Pirate's Guild
  280. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: Once that gets finished
  281. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that entire area
  282. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: that team will have a new "department" name
  283. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: basically
  284. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so the team working on Pirate's GUild will work on like "Guards"
  285. Wheeze: As in
  286. Wheeze: when 1 department is done it moves to another subject ?
  287. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
  288. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and that's where team meetings will come in
  289. Wheeze: Then I think we should put some departments on hold so that we can focus on 2-3 quest lines at a time
  290. Wheeze: and finish them up
  291. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeah that's a good idea
  292. Wheeze: Like only work on pirate guild and main quest until it's done
  293. Wheeze: and then move on to sovereign and KGB
  294. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: right
  295. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: well, we'll have a team meeting next week to decide everything at its fullest
  296. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but now, so everyone can leave
  297. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what departments are you guys interested in?
  298. Wheeze: i'm not a writer so I have no say here
  299. Wonderboy: So is there a basic outline already set for the departments?
  300. Wonderboy: on what exactly they quests will focus on
  301. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes there are some outlines
  302. Wonderboy: or is that still in the process
  303. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: some
  304. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: not all
  305. Wonderboy: k
  306. Cap'n: there's an outline for the pirates guild that can still be added to
  307. Wheeze: Well it's divided into the quest lines like main quest, sovereign/guards, pirate guild
  308. Wheeze: right ?
  309. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yes
  310. Wheeze: So you're basically asking
  311. Wheeze: what part of luftahraan do you want to work on
  312. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: what quest line you wanna do?
  313. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: percisely
  314. Wheeze: KGB, Sovereign, Pirate Guild or Main Quest
  315. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: main quest should be on hold at the moment
  316. Wheeze: but if you give them a free choice here
  317. Wheeze: that means we might spread our manpower/resources too thin again
  318. Wheeze: some people might not want to work on the pirate guild
  319. Wheeze: meaning it would stop in development
  320. Wheeze: right ?
  321. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: hence why im asking what they want to do right now
  322. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so i can change a department if necessary
  323. Wheeze: Right ok
  324. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: i will need an answer sometime today
  325. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: but with that, ive also sent the writers an invite to the Writer's Steam group
  326. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: so are there any more questions?
  327. Wheeze: only a suggestion
  328. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: sure
  329. Wheeze: you should post the summary of what we have decided today
  330. Wheeze: on to facepunch
  331. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: sure
  332. Wheeze: and post this chat log as well
  333. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: and ill have a pastebin of the chat
  334. Lord Herpus McDerp IIV: yeap
  335. Wheeze: so that everybody will not miss out on this
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