<Piex> I don't think we can realistically come out of this suspect discussion happy
<Piex> because of how people perceive what ubers should be
<Piex> i.e. either a playable banlist and/or a competitive tier
<Piex> and
<Piex> depending on the result of the discussion
<Focus> yeah, there's a lot of bad feelings this round
<Piex> it may or may not in their minds make it between one and the other
<Piex> e.g.
<Piex> I feel that as it is
<Piex> it's a playable banlist and
<Piex> if we ban gengarite
<Piex> we approach is being a competitive tier
<Piex> but shrang
<Theorymon> yeah no matter what, some people are gonna be very upset this time =/
<Piex> might feel that it is already
<Piex> sufficient as both a playable banlist
<Focus> the trend has so far been to make Ubers a competitive tier
<Piex> and a competitive tier
<Focus> above all else
<Piex> and therefore sees no reason to create the additional ban
<Piex> which is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint
<Piex> the issue at hand is with both people's perception of what the ubers tier is, what it should be, and their definitions of the terms defining those two ideas
<Theorymon> exactly Piex
<Theorymon> this is why no matter what happens
<Theorymon> there are going to be people who are very very upset
<Piex> agreed
<Theorymon> this isnt just banning a Pokémon
<Theorymon> this is determining a philsophy of an entire metagame
<Piex> absolutely