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  2. [20:01] <ArexBawrin> ArexBawrin, 2nd year CS student in Florida
  3. [20:02] <@tboat> Hey everyone! Its time to start! Welcome to the first meeting! I will start off by introducing myself, then we will somehow try to do introductions in some semi organzied way haha. i am Taylor, I live in virginia, USA. I graduated with a Computer Engineering degree, and currently work as a systems operator. I am interested in creating games, but mostly want to learn more about programming, as i am mostly hardware/s
  4. [20:02] <@tboat> erver. I am interested in learning python, c++, C#, java, php, sql and javascript. very excited about this :)
  5. [20:02] <@tboat> haha sorry was typing away
  6. [20:02] <FRodrigues> I'm a informatics engineer
  7. [20:02] <TheDuceCat> Hello tboat!
  8. 06[20:02] * OJL waves to tboat
  9. [20:02] <mdonova33> mdonova33, junior in high school, aspiring CS student
  10. [20:03] <@tboat> i also have fat fingers and type incorrectly constantly haha, hey mdonova welcome!
  11. [20:03] <suck_my_username> yes!
  12. [20:03] <suck_my_username> another high-schooler
  13. [20:03] <boe> Hi, I'm boe from Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I'm a BA student looking to go into law with an enthusiast's interest in programming. I know Java and a bit of C.
  14. [20:03] <mdonova33> Welcome to all of you as well!
  15. 01[20:03] <gabe1118> Hello, my name is Gabe1118(same on reddit) I am a incoming freshman(BS) studying CS/Math in New York
  16. [20:03] <@tboat> cmon people dont be shy! introduce youselves! :D hey boe! glad to have you!
  17. [20:03] <boe> ty tboat
  18. [20:03] <@tboat> heyhey gabe1118! welcome!
  19. [20:04] <Marshall_H> Hi guys, I'm Marshall, originally from upstate NY, currently in Rochester working SA at my school (RIT) working towards my computer security degree and have an AS in Computer Information Systems. I really want to learn Python and SQL on the web, and if anyone wants, Ruby and Rails/Heroku. I know Perl and C++ pretty well, and I have a good amount of experience with network programming.
  20. [20:04] <OJL> i'm orangejuicelotion i just graduated with my BS in CS, looking to do awesome things in python.
  21. [20:04] <Magzter> Hey all, I'm Matt from Melbourne, Australia. I currently work tech support for an ISP and study Networing, I've recently been picking up programming in my spare time. I know some Javascript & C#.
  22. [20:04] <suck_my_username> IAMA a senior s.s. student in Ontario, Canada and I am doing this to have a better chance at getting into a good university.
  23. [20:04] <TheDuceCat> TheDuceCat, high school senior with a passion for logic and programming. Got my start with LEGO Mindstorms and has loved programming ever since. Plan to take a Computer Science major at my university of choice. I know C++ and Python pretty well. Java and C# too.
  24. [20:04] <BrotherGA2> BrotherGA2, I am interested in just about everything, and I want to learn computer science and programming to be able to apply what I learn to all my interests, and perhaps make a career out of it. I studied Sociology in college and am currently in Italy, but I am American & Brazilian.
  25. [20:04] <bti> bti, full time web developer - php, ruby, javascript - i would love to do something in what i know, so i can teach others. or learn something completely new.
  26. [20:04] <centigrade233> Hello world, I'm a high school junior who took a basic cs/python course last year, know some amount of python and a bit of javascript
  27. [20:05] <miyako> Hi, I'm Tim; I'm from St. Louis USA. I'm a professional software developer who works mostly in C and Haskell. I'm interested in computer vision, data compression, and network programming. I joined up in the hope that I could help work on a project and mentor people who are trying to learn more about programming (and hopefully learn a thing or two myself in the process)
  28. [20:05] <ArexBawrin> Hi miyako!
  29. [20:05] <baffler> I'm Matt, 27, from kentucky, a dude... I'm self-taught. I'm best at C# but okay at php,mysql,java,as3. Wanting to learn more about OOP and learn more about working on big projects with people :)
  30. 03[20:05] * ProgCollabLog (~ProgColla@c-76-123-61-25.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  31. [20:05] <Rosur> Hey i'm rosur, recently got into programming last 4/5months or so, know html,css and some python and a bit of javascript. Did go to uni to study civil engineering though dropped out as didnt like it. uk based.
  32. [20:06] <Yash_> Hi, I'm Yash. I'm from Los Angeles, CA, USA. I'm a junior CS student who porgrams mostly in Java. I'm just here to check out what kind of projects are going to happen.
  33. 06[20:06] * Filter_ is a senior is Cellular and Molecular Bio. From Florida. Has a huge interest in programming. Knows CSS, HTML, Python, C, but all at the basic level only. Hope to learn much more about programming and learn what it's like to build something.
  34. [20:06] <BrotherGA2> Oh-- and I'm currently going through CS101 at Udacity, and know a tiny little bit about python.
  35. [20:06] <neTTos> Hey, neTTos from Washington State, US. Just graduated with my CS degree a few months ago, I'm pretty much interested in anything relating to computers. My friend and I are trying to start a software company. I don't have a job yet, but I'm kind of looking a little bit. I just want to practice Algorithms better and more Discrete Math concepts.
  36. [20:06] <gettavia> Sup everyone, I'm dan, 24, from europe. I'm graduating in Business Management Engineerng and currently working as PMO in a corporation. I love to code, my goal is to make a reddit bot to get crazy stats and stuff.
  37. [20:06] <Kennythehitman> My name is Kenny. I'm a Comp Sci/Comp Engineering major, have been coding for about 5 years. I know C/C++, Python, Javascript, and C# and Java(ugh), have dabbled in some Ruby and am currently learning 6502 Assembly for fun. I mainly use Python, C and Javascript (for web dev). Currently working on a bunch of little utilities and scrapers in Python, as well as a media platform written in Python (Django). G
  38. [20:06] <@tboat> :D Welcome All! So many people from all over!
  39. [20:06] <bti> Marhsall_H: i graduated from there!
  40. [20:06] <baffler> no girls in here? :P
  41. 01[20:06] <gabe1118> was one earlier
  42. [20:06] <camel_Snake> camel_Snake : majored in Bio in college, now I live in Nashville and just enrolled in a brand-new software school in town. I code in ruby / javascript, though i'm mediocre at both. Looking to do web development in the future with rails.
  43. [20:07] <ArexBawrin> BrotherGA2: I'm going through that class too, how do you like it?
  44. [20:07] <@tboat> haha if so they aren't gonna speak up now haha
  45. [20:07] <Marshall_H> bti: very cool, I love it here :]
  46. [20:07] <Fast_Absorbing> Hello camel_Snake
  47. [20:07] <@tboat> Anyone who hasn't introduced themselves?
  48. [20:08] <suck_my_username> How many ppl is that?
  49. [20:08] <@tboat> the chat count says 38
  50. [20:08] <camel_Snake> hi Fast_Absorbing :)
  51. [20:08] <timg> I am timg from Florida. I'm currently working as a software support analyst for apps in C#/asp.net and MS SQL. I've gained a pretty decent understanding of SQL and software testing/QA in my time there, but I'd like to get much more involved with the software development side of things. I've taught myself a fair amount of python. I'm interested in learning more about python, PHP, javascript, C and other need-to-know lan
  52. [20:08] <Justin_> Whats up all, I'm Justin from Pennsylvania. I am going to be a sophomore at Cornell University next year majoring in comp sci. I have been coding for a while in Java and I have been teaching myself Python this summer. I would like to practice my Python skills and learn Ruby, Javascript, PHP, and C++
  53. [20:08] <Marshall_H> suck_my_username: a good amount.
  54. [20:08] <suck_my_username> nd how many lurkers are there?
  55. 03[20:08] * Seve (4242ef70@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.66.239.112) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  56. [20:08] <gettavia> 99%
  57. [20:08] <@tboat> welcome timg! and hey justin!
  58. [20:08] <camel_Snake> hey Justin_ where in PA?
  59. [20:08] <@tboat> Hey Seve welcome!
  60. [20:08] <ArexBawrin> timg, hello from daytona
  61. 03[20:08] * FRodrigues_ (545bb6b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.91.182.184) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  62. [20:08] <Justin_> how do you PM haha?
  63. [20:08] <@tboat> We are just doing introductions if you would like to introduce yourself :)
  64. [20:08] <BrotherGA2> ArexBawrin, I am really enjoying it, the delivery made specifically for an online audience is GENIUS. Education would be amazing if this was a more viable option. I got stuck at the end of the HW for Unit 3, but besides that I've learned quickly and enjoyed it.
  65. [20:09] <nitrosage> Hello all, I am Ash from Toronto, Canada. I graduated with a diploma in Computer Systems Technology. I do mostly webdev and am proficient in PHP, Perl, CGI, I also know CSS/HTML/MySQL. I also know C at a very bsaic level. I am currently working in Tech Support and want to learn how to code in Javascript, C++ and Objective C
  66. [20:09] <@tboat> type /msg username message
  67. [20:09] <boe> Justin_ /msg username msg
  68. [20:09] <Seve> Heyyy
  69. [20:09] <Fast_Absorbing> hello Ash
  70. 03[20:09] * Yash (1818bdb9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.24.189.185) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  71. [20:09] <@tboat> Hey Ash! Welcome!
  72. [20:09] <Yash> weird
  73. [20:09] <Yash> it kicked me
  74. 03[20:09] * Walrus7_ (3ff6345b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.246.52.91) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  75. 02[20:09] * FRodrigues (545bb6b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.91.182.184) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  76. 02[20:09] * theiris (1882c38d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.130.195.141) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  77. 03[20:09] * Cormophyte (~cormophyt@99-177-186-198.lightspeed.lsanca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  78. [20:09] <nitrosage> thanks
  79. [20:09] <timg> Justin_: /query username will open up a new window for the private chat
  80. [20:09] <FRodrigues_> Olá (hello in portuguese), I'm a portuguese informatics and computer engineer student, going to my second year :P
  81. 03[20:09] * indylarry (47391431@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.57.20.49) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  82. [20:09] <@tboat> Hey Cormophyte! Welcome! We are doing introductions if you would like to introduce yourself
  83. 03[20:09] * Daniel110 (~Daniel@ool-45793242.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  84. [20:10] <OJL> python has been mentioned 34 times since i've been here.
  85. [20:10] <FRodrigues_> I know a little o c, c++, a starting to learn java
  86. 02[20:10] * Yash_ (1818bdb9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.24.189.185) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  87. [20:10] <nitrosage> oh yea i wanna learn Python too.
  88. [20:10] <BrotherGA2> FRodrigues_, Oi! Eu sou brasileiro :)
  89. [20:10] <Marshall_H> Walrus7, indylarry, and Daniel110 we are currently doing introductions, tell us about yourself!
  90. [20:10] <Daniel110> Hey everyone! Am i late?
  91. [20:10] <@tboat> python is a pretty big one
  92. [20:10] <OJL> .. 37
  93. [20:10] <nitrosage> I heard it's easy to learn and hard to master?
  94. 03[20:10] * centigrade233_ (ad36801b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.54.128.27) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  95. [20:10] <TheDuceCat> python is cool but deployment is annoying at times
  96. [20:10] <Fast_Absorbing> Daniel110, just on time
  97. [20:10] <nitrosage> is there any truth to that?
  98. [20:10] <Fast_Absorbing> python, python, python, python :D
  99. [20:10] <miyako> I hate python, but I'm a language snob
  100. [20:10] <neTTos> lol
  101. [20:10] <Walrus7_> I'm Walrus from Texas, about to finish my masters in comp sci. I've done a lot of ASP.NET/WCF development with both c#/vb, I'm willing to learn anything
  102. 02[20:11] * centigrade233 (ad36801b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.54.128.27) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  103. 02[20:11] * Walrus7 (3ff6345b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.246.52.91) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  104. [20:11] <@tboat> Welcome to all the newcomers! We are in the middle of introductions, so please, say hello! We will leave introductions open for another 5 minutes then being.
  105. [20:11] <@tboat> *begin
  106. [20:11] <indylarry> I have dabbled in C and Python, but would say I am still a beginner.
  107. [20:11] <FRodrigues_> BrotherGA2: boas!
  108. [20:11] <nitrosage> being=begin
  109. [20:11] <ArexBawrin> if we can't do python i wouldn't mind trying a functional language
  110. [20:11] <mdonova33> I'd like to learn Java
  111. [20:11] <neTTos> Hello Everyone!
  112. [20:11] <OJL> if the ocean is the knowledge of python, i have only a drops worth of experience.
  113. [20:11] <Fast_Absorbing> ArexBawrin: Not a bad idea, Haskell?
  114. [20:11] <miyako> ArexBawrin: haskell :)
  115. [20:11] <nitrosage> hello neTTos
  116. [20:11] <OJL> but i'm supar interested.
  117. [20:11] <ArexBawrin> That's what I was thinking:)
  118. [20:11] <Kennythehitman> Haskell is amazing
  119. [20:11] <camel_Snake> i'd be okay with a functional language
  120. [20:11] <Justin_> I have to learn OCaml next year for school
  121. 03[20:11] * smashitup (~smash@75-19-162-120.lightspeed.cornca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  122. [20:12] <Cormophyte> Hey, my irc handle matches reddit. I'm pretty firmly a beginner, but have learned c and c++ no less than three times over the years.
  123. [20:12] <Marshall_H> Anyone else want to introduce themselves?
  124. 03[20:12] * theiris (1882c38d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.130.195.141) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  125. [20:12] <boe> well you know what they say, to iterate is human, to recurse divine
  126. [20:12] <Fast_Absorbing> Cormophyte: I know the feeling :P
  127. [20:12] <Cormophyte> Just never had a use for it after I learned syntax and structure, currently getting back into the swing with ObjC
  128. [20:12] <@tboat> Is there anyone who hasn't introduced themselves that would like to?
  129. [20:12] <Rosur> Haskell would be interesting to learn
  130. [20:12] <theiris> What are we talking about now? My internet died
  131. [20:12] <centigrade233_> still intros
  132. [20:13] <camel_Snake> boe haha i like that
  133. [20:13] <Kennythehitman> I would love to dive deeper into Haskell
  134. [20:13] <theiris> Did you get my intro?
  135. [20:13] <@tboat> Well if there are no more introductions...
  136. [20:13] <@tboat> dont believe so theiris, think you logged
  137. [20:13] <Marshall_H> Lets start the real discussion if there's no more intros. I'm super excited there's such an array (haa) of people here
  138. [20:13] <theiris> Hs senior interested inCS, currently writing web app in python. and pulling hair out over web scraping
  139. [20:13] <theiris> there xD
  140. [20:14] <@tboat> Haha welcome iris!
  141. [20:14] <Daniel110> My name is daniel and i am a college student. I have been programming for over a year mostly in python. I love building web applications ( with Django ) but i don't really mind what am i building or with what tool, i just like hacking stuff around and seeing a result. I am also fairly proficient in Javascript and Java.
  142. [20:14] <Kennythehitman> theiris: Which framework are you using, if any?
  143. [20:14] <@tboat> Hey daniel!
  144. [20:14] <Kennythehitman> Daniel110: Django brofist
  145. [20:14] <Seve> Hs Senior, lot
  146. [20:14] <Seve> 's of web stuff
  147. [20:14] <Seve> woops
  148. [20:14] <OJL> premature enter-ation.
  149. [20:15] <neTTos> Kennythehitman: I'm running Drupal, compare with Django?
  150. [20:15] <Rosur> I do want to learn django go well with my html and css skills
  151. [20:15] <ArexBawrin> i would be interested in web dev with python as well
  152. [20:16] <Kennythehitman> neTTos: Personally I hate Drupal, more specifically I hate the templating system in Drupal
  153. [20:16] <neTTos> Python > PHP
  154. [20:16] <@tboat> Well it was good meeting everyone :) First off, thank you for coming, and I have to say, impressed with the turnout! So from being here in chat the last couple hours, and the current survey results, show python and C++ are the two most sought after languages
  155. [20:16] <Kennythehitman> I dont know if it's improved since I've used it though
  156. [20:16] <OJL> anyone for artificial intelligence / machine learning / natural language processing?
  157. [20:16] <Kennythehitman> I believe they are now using some components from symfony2
  158. 03[20:16] * Bradford (~Bradford@169.237.188.89) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  159. [20:16] <Bradford> hello
  160. [20:16] <Daniel110> I would also interested in learning developing andoird applications
  161. [20:16] <@tboat> Hey Bradford welcome!
  162. 02[20:16] * Yash (1818bdb9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.24.189.185) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  163. 06[20:16] * OJL waves to Bradford
  164. [20:16] <BrotherGA2> Hello Bradford, welcome!
  165. [20:16] <Bradford> I JUST found this on reddit
  166. [20:17] <Kennythehitman> Drupal sites usually fit a certain mould though, so it depends on your particular project
  167. [20:17] <bti> OJL: would love to learn about natural language processing. so many ideas for uses but no idea how it works
  168. 01[20:17] <gabe1118> tboat: should probably use a different color if thats possible for announcements
  169. [20:17] <Bradford> i really want to learn to program better
  170. [20:17] <Marshall_H> Hey guys, lets keep it related to the main topic defined by tboat, don't want to be a dick about it but lets try to keep it on topic for now :]
  171. [20:17] <neTTos> OJL: Yeah NLP!
  172. [20:17] <Marshall_H> The faster we define the project etc, the quicker we can get to programming :]
  173. [20:17] <Bradford> i jsut joined what did tboat talk about?
  174. [20:18] <ArexBawrin> Bradford: just introductions
  175. [20:18] <bti> introductions, go ahead
  176. [20:18] <Daniel110> Are we working on one single project? or do you want to divide in groups?
  177. [20:18] <Kennythehitman> I thought we were still letting introductions be posted?
  178. [20:18] <miyako> tboat: I would put forth for consideration that in addition to what people want to learn, we should consider what skills people already have. It seems like it would be best to pick technologies that at least one or two people are comfortable with so that they can mentor.
  179. [20:18] <OJL> please introduce
  180. [20:19] <Fast_Absorbing> Daniel110: We still haven't decided :S
  181. [20:19] <neTTos> tboat: Also technologies that are freeish...
  182. [20:19] <Justin_> ^
  183. [20:19] <Kennythehitman> If Python and C++ are the top 2, what about breaking off into 2 groups and developing 2 different projects initially?
  184. [20:19] <OJL> if its alright with the group i would like to snowball the idea of dividing into groups. I'm terribly interested in learning python and AI/ML/NLP. if anyone else is interested throw me a PM..
  185. [20:19] <Fast_Absorbing> neTTos: This this this, we should start out promoting Free as in Freedom in our software
  186. [20:19] <Kennythehitman> OJL: Exactly
  187. [20:20] <neTTos> OJL: Have you looked at the Stanford NLP libraries?
  188. [20:20] <OJL> neTTos i'm working throw the andrew ng lectures and another set of lectures i found online
  189. [20:20] <neTTos> Fast_Absorbing: not even that, but just something that we can all access, which is usually free as in free beer software
  190. 03[20:20] * Withremote (44eb4d05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.235.77.5) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  191. [20:21] <Seve> Any linux buddies in here?
  192. 03[20:21] * tboat changes topic to 'Ok So Meeting Updates are going to come through here, so pay attention! Some quick info from the survey: Three Way tie between Computer Program, Web App, and Other. People want to learn Python, C++, ASM, C# and Java. I believe we have enough interests/people to have multiple projects. Thoughts?'
  193. [20:21] <baffler> everything is free on the internet
  194. [20:21] <Marshall_H> Seve: most of us
  195. [20:21] <Kennythehitman> I like Linux
  196. [20:21] <mdonova33> Are we ready to start?
  197. [20:21] <theiris> OJL: I'm with you on python & AI
  198. [20:21] <neTTos> Lets all get Macs and become Mac guys
  199. [20:21] <Kennythehitman> I'm running Debian w/ awesomewm
  200. [20:21] <Fast_Absorbing> BSD here
  201. [20:21] <nitrosage> I think with the amazing turnout, it would make most sense to split up
  202. [20:21] <camel_Snake> i like the multiple projects idea
  203. 01[20:21] <gabe1118> split into three groups?
  204. [20:21] <OJL> Seve, crunchbang and ubuntu
  205. [20:21] <Daniel110> I think we should break into 3 groups (web, desktop, mobile) for web we can use (python, javascript, and html/css) for desktop(c++) and mobile(java, objc) what do you think?
  206. [20:22] <nitrosage> I agree Daniel
  207. [20:22] <Marshall_H> Re Topic: I'd like to write a Web App with Python and some data-base aspect; alternative also Ruby Rails with SQL/Heroku
  208. [20:22] <nitrosage> thats an awesome idea
  209. [20:22] <Kennythehitman> Daniel110: actually, web/desktop/mobile is even better
  210. [20:22] <Kennythehitman> Nic
  211. 02[20:22] * thearrowflies (~thearrowf@unaffiliated/thearrowflies) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  212. [20:22] <miyako> I think that splitting into separate projects should be a last resort. Depending on the architecture of the application we could easily have some people working on a C/C++/whatever backend application that is used by a python webapp frontend
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  214. [20:22] <camel_Snake> agreed
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  217. [20:22] <Fast_Absorbing> Daniel110: that sounds good
  218. [20:22] <Bradford> What about people that are completely new to programming? I have some experience but it seems to me that you guys simply have more
  219. [20:22] <neTTos> Webapp/Scientific Software/Mobile Game?
  220. [20:22] <@tboat> For people who came late, here is the survey: http://goo.gl/M9zMq
  221. [20:22] <Filter_> We have an awesome turn out now, but who will actually stick with the project longterm? We need to stay on one project until we prove that we can complete something.
  222. [20:22] <Marshall_H> Bradford: don't worry, a lot of us are noobs.
  223. [20:22] <OJL> Bradford I think a good idea is setting up a mentor system.
  224. [20:22] <Kennythehitman> hmm
  225. [20:23] <ArexBawrin> Overall, I just want to learn how to work with other programmers. I've never done that before.
  226. [20:23] <nitrosage> @Bradform, yea we are all noobs. If I was you I would start with Python
  227. [20:23] <@tboat> Good point Filter
  228. [20:23] <Kennythehitman> Filter_: true
  229. [20:23] <OJL> Bradford, why not piggy back on the back of a project that is starting and ask one of the seniors to help out.
  230. [20:23] <Bradford> So should we have "group leaders" that have the most experience
  231. [20:23] <Rosur> I plan to stick this out be good experince i think
  232. [20:23] <@tboat> nitrosage not all noobs!
  233. [20:23] <nitrosage> lol
  234. [20:23] <nitrosage> srry
  235. [20:23] <OJL> Filter, I don't think we necessarily have to be on one project, but the idea is awesome.
  236. [20:24] <Fast_Absorbing> tboat: nobody is an expert in all things :P
  237. [20:24] <OJL> ArexBawrin, collaborating can be amazingly awesome at times, and sometimes extremely frustrating.
  238. [20:25] <Bradford> I'm really looking forward to this =]
  239. 03[20:25] * tboat changes topic to 'The idea has been proposed to form three groups (web, desktop, mobile) which then would allow people to group more on their preferred language, as certain one are better for each platform. However, commitment has been brought up, should we start with a "ice breaker" project to warm up?'
  240. [20:25] <Marshall_H> RE Topic: Yes!
  241. [20:25] <mdonova33> Ice breaker first.
  242. [20:25] <Bradford> YES!
  243. [20:25] <Kennythehitman> tboat: yes
  244. [20:25] <OJL> Re Topic: Yes!
  245. [20:25] <Withremote> Sure
  246. [20:25] <miyako> I like the idea of an ice breaker project
  247. [20:25] <Fast_Absorbing> That does sound good
  248. [20:25] <neTTos> something to get used to versioning
  249. [20:25] <bti> sure
  250. [20:25] <nitrosage> noob here agrees
  251. [20:25] <TheDuceCat> YEP
  252. [20:25] <Fast_Absorbing> But, we don't all write the same language
  253. [20:25] <Filter_> Ice breaker is a very good way to put it
  254. [20:25] <nitrosage> We could just do a website, for our project
  255. [20:26] <Kennythehitman> What was the top language, Python?
  256. [20:26] <theiris> yesyes
  257. [20:26] <Bradford> i like the idea of a website
  258. 03[20:26] * baffler|2 (~kvirc@aw-193-145-68-199.appalachianwireless.com) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  259. [20:26] <indylarry> Would be a good warm up to see how we will function
  260. [20:26] <@tboat> Yes the top language is python
  261. [20:26] <OJL> so far, python is winning.
  262. [20:26] <TheDuceCat> py is easy
  263. [20:26] <Kennythehitman> I recommend Flask, it's a great microframework.
  264. [20:26] <theiris> who doesnt know python here?
  265. [20:26] <nitrosage> have profiles for all of us
  266. [20:26] <Withremote> No experice in python , only php
  267. 06[20:26] * OJL raises hand.
  268. [20:26] <Bradford> i dont know pyhton
  269. [20:26] <nitrosage> with language preficiencies
  270. [20:26] <Fast_Absorbing> Python backend, javascript w/ jquery frontend?
  271. [20:26] <@tboat> welcome baffler!
  272. [20:26] <TheDuceCat> i picked up python in a day
  273. [20:26] <TheDuceCat> it's really easy to learn
  274. [20:26] <Kennythehitman> Django is full stack which isn't exactly what our site would need
  275. 06[20:26] * boe has no experience with python
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  278. [20:26] <theiris> i picked up python pretty quickly too
  279. [20:26] <ArexBawrin> yay python!
  280. [20:26] <miyako> I'm not great with python, but I don't really want to work with it
  281. [20:26] <boe> well a little bit, only the learn python the hard way stuff
  282. [20:27] <theiris> do we want to start this project after a few days or so
  283. [20:27] <camel_Snake> i don't know python
  284. [20:27] <theiris> so that the non pythonic people
  285. [20:27] <Marshall_H> I think python is the best since it's widely used, not too hard to pick up, and quite powerful
  286. [20:27] <Fast_Absorbing> miyako: you could maybe concentrate more on backend?
  287. [20:27] <Justin_> teaching myself python now...but if you know another language its extremely easy to pick up
  288. [20:27] <baffler> er, got disconnected, not sure if you saw this:
  289. [20:27] <baffler> I was thinking something like 3 projects, 1 will be super easy (with easy to pick up language) just for learning, 2 will be more advanced (language could be whatevcer is most desired), 3 is hardcore for really advanced stuff, like very OOP and such
  290. [20:27] <TheDuceCat> python weakness is its deployment
  291. [20:27] <Fast_Absorbing> Although, why would it need a backend? surely it would just be a static site with news etc?
  292. [20:27] <ArexBawrin> side question: why is php so much easier to pick up for webdev than python? Or is that just a noob opinion?
  293. [20:27] <TheDuceCat> but it's not too terrible
  294. [20:27] <TheDuceCat> i don't like php
  295. [20:27] <theiris> i found python easier than php
  296. [20:27] <TheDuceCat> just a weird syntax (for me)
  297. [20:27] <bti> ArexBawrin: super easy to deploy
  298. [20:28] <BrotherGA2> We could work on similar projects but have different groups work in different languages, so then we could compare the approaches at the end, perhaps?
  299. [20:28] <nitrosage> I havent really tried Python for webdev
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  301. [20:28] <TheDuceCat> ehhh
  302. [20:28] <camel_Snake> i like that idea
  303. [20:28] <miyako> I'd like to point out that if we do a web app of any sort, someone will have to get hosting
  304. [20:28] <Kennythehitman> PHP has a funky syntax and it's too easy for new coders to write ugly code with it.
  305. [20:28] <TheDuceCat> ^
  306. [20:28] <Daniel110> I still think the idea of 3 projects (web, mobile, desktop) is the best. We can even divide these 3 categories into other groups for example in web dev a group can work with python and another with ruby or in mobile a group can develop for android and another for ios
  307. [20:28] <TheDuceCat> especially with a team clean code is key
  308. 03[20:28] * tboat changes topic to 'So a warm up project eh? A website has been proposed as the first, this would allow for beginners to their foot in the door with some scripts (python, javascript, others mentioned) and give us a more central place to organize projects/host git repos/etc. Any opposed to a website as our first collaboration?'
  309. [20:28] <Marshall_H> If people want to do webdev/etc, Ruby on Rails with Heroku/SQL may be a good option (I've been wanting to try it and I've heard good things!), but honestly Python seems like the best
  310. [20:28] <OJL> how about a friendly inhouse contest? that way we can gauge everyones skill level and then break off into groups accordingly
  311. [20:28] <bti> heroku has a free plan for a single domain
  312. [20:28] <camel_Snake> it seems picking up a new language would be easier if you were looking at code that does the same thing as something you've written in a 'native' language
  313. [20:28] <Marshall_H> RE Topic: I'm +1 for that
  314. [20:28] <timg> python has an incredible amount of libraries ready to go
  315. [20:28] <Kennythehitman> Rails is getting too bloated
  316. [20:29] <neTTos> I think the 3 groups should be like Web-Cool Webapp, Desktop - Scientific Programming, Mobile - A mobile game
  317. [20:29] <OJL> +1 neTTos
  318. [20:29] <Seve> +1
  319. [20:29] <OJL> i'm for desktop
  320. [20:29] <Kennythehitman> Heroku would be great, it supports Python frameworks now
  321. [20:29] <camel_Snake> sinatra is a good alternative to rails no?
  322. [20:29] <nitrosage> this is getting out of hand
  323. [20:29] <@tboat> my personal opinion, website would be good for organization and since python is the most wanted language currently, a good place to start with teaching people/expanding on concepts
  324. [20:29] <nitrosage> who is opposed to the warm up project
  325. [20:29] <Daniel110> It doesn't really matters, as long as we make a decision. This discussion is turning into a language flame war.
  326. [20:29] <nitrosage> we ant have 3 warm up projects
  327. [20:29] <Withremote> So I should try and learn python this week?
  328. [20:30] <timg> nitrosage: we should have one projects.
  329. [20:30] <TheDuceCat> watch thenewboston's python videos
  330. [20:30] <gettavia> +1 but desktop shouldnt be scientific. it would intimidate less-sciencey people
  331. [20:30] <Kennythehitman> Sinatra is indeed a clean framework, but the poll is telling us Py is at the top.
  332. [20:30] <TheDuceCat> they are excellent
  333. [20:30] <Daniel110> Withremote: what language do you already know?
  334. [20:30] <ArexBawrin> OJL: I like the contest to gauge where everyone is at skill-wise
  335. [20:30] <miyako> tboat: I'm on board with that, although we might want to have stuff for non-python people to do in order to stay involved
  336. [20:30] <Fast_Absorbing> OJL: I like that
  337. [20:30] <Withremote> Php primarily,
  338. [20:30] <TheDuceCat> picking up python is very easy
  339. [20:30] <@tboat> miyako: i completely agree, was about to topic update about that
  340. [20:30] <Bradford> skill level contest is good idea
  341. [20:30] <nitrosage> @ArexB, yea thats a cool idea as well
  342. [20:31] <Daniel110> Withremote: python is really easy to learn
  343. [20:31] <TheDuceCat> ^
  344. [20:31] <smashitup> hi everyone. pyhton sounds good to me
  345. [20:31] <timg> I thought we were going to pick a problem to solve first
  346. [20:31] <Withremote> I'll give it a go
  347. [20:31] <timg> and then go fro mthere
  348. [20:31] <TheDuceCat> rock paper scissors game in python?
  349. [20:31] <TheDuceCat> kidding
  350. [20:31] <nitrosage> lol
  351. [20:31] <nitrosage> i raged so hard
  352. [20:31] <Kennythehitman> miyako has a point, not everyone likes python, but some of these same people might also want to be in the web dev group.
  353. 01[20:31] <gabe1118> sudoku solver?
  354. 02[20:31] * Withremote (44eb4d05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.235.77.5) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  355. [20:31] <TheDuceCat> gabe not bad
  356. [20:32] <Kennythehitman> We could possibly fit them in as JS frontend scripters, maybe? Just a thought
  357. [20:32] <Bradford> I would feel bad if i held a group behind due to my skill level but im always willing to learn
  358. [20:32] <Fast_Absorbing> gabe1118: Effort though, and we would have to read each others code
  359. [20:32] <miyako> I have a fairly long suggestion on this, just saying this so everyone knows to expect a wall of text from me in a minute
  360. [20:32] <baffler> I'm not all that interested in python, maybe some html5 stuff, I wanna get into that
  361. [20:32] <Kennythehitman> So even people who dont like Python may participate in the web dev
  362. [20:32] <smashitup> what do we want to make? maybe we should pick something to make, and figure out the best language from there
  363. [20:32] <OJL> tboat, suggestion. make 3 more channels.
  364. [20:32] <bti> Bradford: that's the point of this whole thing (to learn)
  365. [20:32] <OJL> one mobile, one desktop, one web
  366. [20:32] <OJL> and then have people start splitting off accordingly
  367. [20:32] <Daniel110> for A web application i was thinking that we could build a simple social network for programmers where they can share code, ideas, projects, libraries, and even meet people that share their same interests. What do you think?
  368. [20:33] <TheDuceCat> i like it but let's wait for ideas
  369. [20:33] <nitrosage> i think github has that covered
  370. 03[20:33] * tboat changes topic to 'Python is the most wanted, but understandably not everyone here is looking for that. There are many scripting languages to be used online, and I think this first project is more about working as a group and finalizing something. Thoughts?'
  371. [20:33] <timg> baffler: html5 would also be good. I know 0 about it. Is it anything like html4 ?
  372. [20:33] <nitrosage> really nicele
  373. [20:33] <miyako> I think that the idea of having a warm-up project is good, we need a website as a hub for the project, and there are obviously people who want to work on a web app, so it would be a good chance for those people to dive in. I think that breaking up into teams is a reasonable idea given that there are different interests, but I'd like to see those teams working collaboratively on a project that has multiple compon
  374. [20:33] <OJL> Daniel110 github2?
  375. [20:33] <gettavia> miyako: tl:dr
  376. [20:33] <timg> can you mix python and html5?
  377. [20:33] <TheDuceCat> facehub
  378. 01[20:33] <gabe1118> i was thinking about an irc client, to go with the website
  379. [20:33] <TheDuceCat> gitbook?
  380. [20:33] <Kennythehitman> timg: Yes, of course.
  381. [20:33] <miyako> I would suggest that perhaps we decide on a "main project" to work on in addition to agreeing to do the warm up project
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  383. [20:33] <Fast_Absorbing> timg: you're mixing front-end and back-end
  384. [20:33] <Marshall_H> IRC clients are pretty easy.
  385. [20:33] <Kennythehitman> I agree with miyako
  386. [20:33] <miyako> since this would take a lot more planning, the people who are not intersted in doing web stuff could work on an overall design and architecture for the main project
  387. [20:33] <camel_Snake> TheDuceCat BRILLIANT!
  388. 01[20:34] <gabe1118> Marshall_H exactly
  389. [20:34] <neTTos> If we have a website, we need a server.
  390. [20:34] <Kennythehitman> We have to find a way to have all the moving parts relate to each othe rin some way
  391. [20:34] <miyako> at that point, everyone has been engaged, and when the people who have been doing the website are ready, we'll have some direction for them to focus on
  392. [20:34] <Daniel110> www.progconnect.com
  393. [20:34] <miyako> it will also make it a lot easier to develop a website if we know what sort of actual project we are going to be working on
  394. [20:34] <Marshall_H> neTTos: AFAIK Heroku gives its own space, but I dont know much about it
  395. [20:34] <OJL> +2 miyako
  396. [20:34] <Kennythehitman> Heroku will be sufficient.
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  398. [20:35] <OJL> tboat, you're the mod here. whats your suggestion?
  399. [20:35] <baffler> hard for me to imagine (let's say half of us stay around) 20 of us working on 1 project lol
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  401. [20:35] <Fast_Absorbing> centigrade233: welcome to the shitstorm
  402. [20:35] <OJL> baffler agreed
  403. [20:35] <smashitup> we have to learn how to repo
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  405. [20:35] <nitrosage> we should have a vote
  406. [20:35] <TheDuceCat> this tutorial is MANDATORY http://try.github.com/levels/1/challenges/1
  407. [20:35] <TheDuceCat> if you don't know git ^
  408. [20:35] <smashitup> if we're going to make a project, we have to learn how to use git or svn
  409. [20:35] <centigrade233> votes are always good
  410. [20:36] <OJL> nitrosage, that would force those who vote no into doing something they dont want, or they would become disinterested and leave
  411. [20:36] <Magzter> I tried to do that tutorial
  412. [20:36] <Daniel110> notrosage: whe should first have vote on the projects we want to do, then on the language we want to use? 2 different surveys
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  415. [20:36] <ArexBawrin> i suggest git
  416. 03[20:36] * tboat changes topic to 'It seems a website is a go, however I know not everyone is here just for scripting/web dev, so miyako's idea of a main project also being started, is something we should discuss more.'
  417. [20:36] <Magzter> however when it got the stage where I enter "git commit -m "Add cute octocat story""
  418. [20:36] <Magzter> Nothing happens.
  419. [20:36] <TheDuceCat> weird
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  422. [20:36] <miyako> the starter project would also be a good opportunity for the less experienced people to get used to version control, working with other developers, etc. while the more experienced developers can start planning, working on organizational structure, etc.
  423. 03[20:36] * Filter_ (485b4854@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.91.72.84) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  424. [20:36] <Kennythehitman> Magzter: are you sure there were changes being staged?
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  427. 01[20:37] <gabe1118> miyako: good idea
  428. [20:37] <Daniel110> can any of the mods set up a survey? so we can decide what project we would be working on
  429. [20:37] <ArexBawrin> suggestion: split into small groups with 1 or 2 mentors each?
  430. [20:37] <Magzter> Temp bug I guess, just tried it again now and it works.
  431. [20:37] <OJL> +` arex
  432. [20:37] <Filter_> This IRC channel needs a shorter name :|
  433. [20:37] <baffler> lol
  434. [20:37] <Daniel110> Filter_: +1
  435. [20:37] <Bradford> do these chats get saved the next time i join? i'm on campus right now and i have to go home later. I dont want to miss anything
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  437. [20:37] <neTTos> Does anyone know a good way to do Version control on a website?
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  443. [20:37] <@tboat> This is being logged yes, will be posted later.
  444. [20:37] <Kennythe_> Bradford: It's being logged
  445. [20:37] <bti> Bradford: i believe they are being logged and will be on the subreddit
  446. 01[20:37] <gabe1118> #progcollab wouldve been better
  447. 03[20:37] * timg_ is now known as timg
  448. [20:37] <baffler> yea
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  450. [20:38] <@tboat> I can remake the IRC later
  451. [20:38] <bti> neTTos: what do you mean?
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  455. [20:38] <baffler> freenode dying?
  456. [20:38] <timg> webchat did
  457. [20:38] <mdonova33> Hey I have to go, but I'm gonna read the log later. I'll see you all later!
  458. [20:38] <Filter_> Yea a little bit i think
  459. [20:38] <OJL> I would like to shamelessly promote my idea of Desktop Application - Scienctific using Python/Numpy/Scipy Machine Learning/ Artificial Intellience / Natural Language Processing.
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  461. [20:38] <Fast_Absorbing> bye mdonova33
  462. [20:38] <Filter_> I'd be behind that OJL
  463. [20:38] <timg> OJL: sounds awesome
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  465. [20:38] <Filter_> but my math isnt that strong
  466. [20:38] <timg> not sure how well it lends itself to beginners?
  467. [20:38] <ArexBawrin> OJL: what kind of math requirement is expected with that?
  468. [20:38] <TheDuceCat> I'm not sure if anyone else is interested, but I'd like to make a basic 2D desktop game.
  469. [20:38] <boe> i wouldn't mind doing some machine learning stuff but i doubt i have enough experience for that
  470. [20:39] <OJL> come to #greenentry, lets speak there
  471. [20:39] <Fast_Absorbing> OJL: that's a little open ended for the starter project
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  473. [20:39] <timg> TheDuceCat: why not a basic 2d webgame?
  474. [20:39] <OJL> boe, i've just started. thats the idea.
  475. [20:39] <baffler> I'd be interested TheDuceCat, but depends on the language
  476. [20:39] <calzone21> let
  477. [20:39] <neTTos> Scientific stuff is really just research and thinking
  478. [20:39] <TheDuceCat> just a suggestion atm
  479. [20:39] <centigrade233> TheDuceCat: games can be fun
  480. [20:39] <Fast_Absorbing> timg: I like that, with a back-end highscore system?
  481. [20:39] <timg> Fast_Absorbing: sure!
  482. [20:39] <Rosur> 2d webgame would be kinda cool to make
  483. [20:39] <OJL> MULTIPLAYER SNAKE
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  485. [20:39] <Kennythehitman> I'd be interested in a cross-platform HTML5/JS game
  486. [20:39] <baffler> could do the server in python?
  487. [20:40] <baffler> the game in html5?
  488. [20:40] <Fast_Absorbing> OJL: has been done :P but yes, something like that
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  490. [20:40] <TheDuceCat> i'm not a fan of web games but sure
  491. [20:40] <timg> baffler: yea
  492. [20:40] <Kennythehitman> baffler: exactly
  493. [20:40] <Fast_Absorbing> baffler: nice, could even host the game server side and use websockets, but that's going a little far
  494. [20:40] <OJL> omg multiplayer snake with high scores. MMO
  495. [20:40] <centigrade233> Fast_Absorbing: something with multiplayer might be cool
  496. [20:40] <bti> needs more nodejs
  497. [20:40] <Kennythehitman> Node.js is also a candidate
  498. [20:40] <ArexBawrin> tboat: what's the plan?
  499. [20:40] <Fast_Absorbing> centigrade233: for multiplayer websockets are a must
  500. 03[20:40] * tboat changes topic to 'Meeting Recap Thus Far: Our "warm up"/Into project is going to be our website! However, for the more experienced/brave a main project will be started, OJL has suggested a Scientific Desktop Application. Will we be working towards a profit? Completely open source? For science?'
  501. [20:41] <TheDuceCat> prob open source
  502. [20:41] <Kennythehitman> re topic: FOSS FTW
  503. [20:41] <Fast_Absorbing> We would have to be open source
  504. [20:41] <OJL> open source
  505. [20:41] <boe> open source ftw
  506. [20:41] <Rosur> open source would be best
  507. [20:41] <OJL> profit is 2nd project.
  508. [20:41] <baffler> ??? PROFIT!
  509. [20:41] <Fast_Absorbing> Otherwise how would we invite more noobs? We can't vet each one
  510. [20:41] <Magzter> open source
  511. [20:41] <neTTos> For Science!
  512. [20:41] <miyako> I think that we should make the application Free Software and use an open source development model
  513. [20:41] <theiris> oopen soource
  514. [20:41] <nitrosage> open
  515. [20:41] <camel_Snake> definitely FOSS
  516. 01[20:41] <gabe1118> opensource github?
  517. [20:42] <neTTos> We should build the website, see who sticks around and then split up into projects
  518. [20:42] <Rosur> too much arguing would come about from a profit thing :P
  519. [20:42] <Withremote> github likely
  520. [20:42] <calzone21> alright, now how would we go about assembling everyone to where they can best contribute? I know we have a lot of people here from different programming backgrounds
  521. [20:42] <Fast_Absorbing> gabe1118: Yes, tboat should start an Organization
  522. [20:42] <Justin__> +1 neTTos
  523. [20:42] <miyako> I think that a "scientific desktop application" is far to generic of a project, and likely to never be finished due to eternal scope creep
  524. [20:42] <gettavia> +1 miyako
  525. [20:42] <Filter_> I'm going to file the LLC in oregon, it will allow for new investors.
  526. [20:42] <nitrosage> +1 miyako
  527. [20:42] <TheDuceCat> +1 miyako
  528. [20:42] <OJL> tboat can you toss #greenentry in the topic next to my desktop app thing
  529. [20:42] <Bradford> whats #greenenery?
  530. [20:43] <Bradford> greenentry
  531. [20:43] <neTTos> miyako: that's true, but it could be something very specific if we wanted it to be.
  532. [20:43] <baffler> I'm with neTTos, get the website going as a group, then we can build stuff into the website to setup new projects for those who stick around
  533. [20:43] <OJL> where i would like to speak to anyone who is interested in python and machine learning concepts
  534. [20:43] <intothev01d> if you're looking for a github organization that has open source projects available by other redactors we have one. check out https://github.com/LearnProgramming
  535. 03[20:43] * tboat changes topic to 'Open Source overwhelmingly taken! Is there a specific scientific application you all would want to make?'
  536. [20:43] <OJL> but i'm definitely still into the main project
  537. [20:43] <baffler> probably best to have 1 project to start off with
  538. [20:43] <intothev01d> redditors*
  539. [20:43] <OJL> +1 bafflr
  540. [20:43] <Fast_Absorbing> Wait, what happened with the web game to start with?
  541. [20:43] <OJL> i liek webgame start
  542. [20:43] <miyako> We should focus on something that doesn't require an overwhelming amount of domain expertise
  543. [20:44] <Fast_Absorbing> Snake is simple and easy to code and has a front-end and back-end
  544. [20:44] <timg> redactors!
  545. [20:44] <OJL> multiplayer snake sounds easy enough
  546. [20:44] <TheDuceCat> starting with game not good idea
  547. [20:44] <timg> i like a game
  548. [20:44] <OJL> why not? games cover all concepts
  549. [20:44] <baffler> wasn't sure if enough people wanted to start with game, but that would be fine too
  550. [20:44] <Fast_Absorbing> TheDuceCat: Reasons why?
  551. [20:44] <TheDuceCat> i already made single player snake in python (SNAKE IN PYTHON LOL) if you want to see source code
  552. [20:44] <gettavia> a whole functioning website is too complex for non-experienced users to remain interested
  553. [20:44] <OJL> TheDuceCat yesplease
  554. [20:44] <TheDuceCat> i'll post the py file
  555. [20:44] <timg> TheDuceCat: put it on the group git?
  556. [20:44] <miyako> gettavia: I'm sure someone with experience will be willing to mentor
  557. [20:44] <centigrade233> don't you need a website first to put said webgame on?
  558. [20:44] <TheDuceCat> its not on github its just a zip atm
  559. [20:45] <timg> gettavia: I thought the website would be qutie basic
  560. [20:45] <Fast_Absorbing> centigrade233: No, you can host it locally
  561. [20:45] <Kennythehitman> gettavia: that's why we use a microframework and code purely what we need
  562. [20:45] <nitrosage> I dont mind workin on the website. That has been decided, no?
  563. [20:45] <timg> TheDuceCat: put it in the github!
  564. [20:45] <OJL> okay its dinner time for me, i'll be back in an hour or so. great speaking with you all. i'm throwing my vote in for multiplayer snake.
  565. [20:45] <timg> sweet
  566. [20:45] <neTTos> I have experience with Node.js and Websockets
  567. [20:45] <Fast_Absorbing> I have a server, i wouldn't mind webhosting if the project needs it
  568. [20:45] <baffler> I guess some work on the actual website, others work on the game if they aren't interested in the website? Or do both if you're up to it
  569. [20:45] <Fast_Absorbing> Could someone post the github url?
  570. [20:46] <Filter_> github.com
  571. [20:46] <Daniel110> Fast_Absorbing: thanks you are awesome that would be great
  572. [20:46] <Kennythehitman> +1 baffler
  573. [20:46] <TheDuceCat> where is the group git?
  574. [20:46] <nitrosage> there in none yet
  575. [20:46] <Fast_Absorbing> ¬.¬ hilarious, the group URL
  576. 03[20:46] * tboat changes topic to 'as their are currently 137 readers on the sub reddit, pending how the rest of the meeting goes, the post about this meeting will include something about the two projects we have proposed thus far and some method of signing up to the one you want to work on. Yay? Nay?'
  577. [20:46] <nitrosage> we dont have a project
  578. [20:46] <nitrosage> or anything
  579. [20:46] <timg> TheDuceCat: sorry, I was thinking about the learnprogramming github
  580. [20:46] <miyako> Here's an idea: what about an application that lets users take pictures and upload them, and works on building maps from all of the user photos. That would involve web, mobile, and a lot of backend code
  581. [20:46] <bti> what's this one https://github.com/LearnProgramming?
  582. [20:46] <OJL> yay
  583. [20:46] <Kennythehitman> Of course we'll have to have a website to promote our web game. :)
  584. [20:46] <nitrosage> I am Yay
  585. [20:47] <timg> yay
  586. [20:47] <timg> can we sign up for both?
  587. [20:47] <Rosur> yea tboat that sound good
  588. [20:47] <OJL> please update me on the status of multiplayer snake later..
  589. [20:47] <BrotherGA2> Yae
  590. [20:47] <calzone21> yay
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  592. [20:47] <TheDuceCat> gotta dig up the source
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  594. [20:47] <Justin__> Yay
  595. [20:47] <@tboat> timg: of course!
  596. [20:47] <intothev01d> bti: the LearnProgramming community. It was started out similar to this subreddit for people to get experience with programming
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  598. [20:47] <Fast_Absorbing> tboat, can you create a git Organization and add me to it please?
  599. [20:47] <Fast_Absorbing> github*
  600. [20:47] <Daniel110> bti: no thats another community
  601. [20:48] <nitrosage> there will be a post about github on the subreddit
  602. [20:48] <nitrosage> when its ready
  603. [20:48] <nitrosage> i bet
  604. [20:48] <@tboat> ^^^^^
  605. [20:48] <Filter_> vvvvv
  606. [20:48] <timg> Fast_Absorbing: that costs money, unfortunately
  607. [20:48] <Bradford> >>>>>
  608. [20:48] <Filter_> <<<<<
  609. [20:48] <Daniel110> you can make a public repo
  610. [20:48] <timg> yea, but an organization costs, i am pretty sure
  611. [20:49] <neTTos> yeah it does
  612. [20:49] <centigrade233> timg: obviously we need to start a kickstarter and wait for the millions to pour in
  613. [20:49] <timg> lolol
  614. [20:49] <Fast_Absorbing> Ah, right, didn't realize that
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  616. [20:49] <timg> it's a shame you can't setup your own github server
  617. [20:49] <neTTos> This is getting out of control!
  618. [20:49] <timg> you can make a git server but don't get the fancy web interface
  619. [20:49] <G14> howdy
  620. [20:49] <timg> neTTos: what is?
  621. [20:50] <bti> timg: you can if you get a company account, lots of $$$$
  622. [20:50] <neTTos> lol nothing
  623. [20:50] <timg> bti: yea
  624. [20:50] <miyako> Atlassian offers free (or very cheap) hosting for open source projects
  625. [20:50] <Daniel110> guys i have to go, i can't believe that so many people showed up. I really like the idea of a website. I ll come back later to see what you have decided
  626. [20:50] <Filter_> later
  627. [20:50] <theiris> bye daniel
  628. [20:50] <bti> later
  629. [20:50] <@tboat> Later Daniel! Yes this turnout is awesome! Make sure to watch for a post on the sub!
  630. 01[20:51] <gabe1118> cya
  631. [20:51] <timg> we decided on a website and a game
  632. [20:51] <timg> I think...
  633. [20:51] <Fast_Absorbing> timg, sounds right
  634. [20:51] <timg> later on
  635. [20:51] <Withremote> as a web guy, i'm for a website
  636. [20:51] <Filter_> im not sure what we decided on yet
  637. [20:51] <bti> as am i
  638. [20:51] <timg> ok so what's next
  639. [20:51] <miyako> I think we agreed to do a website, possibly featuring a small game, as a starter project
  640. [20:51] <Filter_> wouldnt a website be too simple for all the resources we have?
  641. [20:51] <Kennythehitman> what miyako said
  642. [20:51] <timg> Filter_: it's easy to join a chat
  643. [20:51] <Daniel110> great so count me in for the website. Did you choose the language and framework yet? i don't mind python + django
  644. [20:51] <neTTos> Filter_: We gotta start somewhere
  645. [20:51] <Justin__> but its a great starting point
  646. [20:51] <Fast_Absorbing> Filter_: our resources are all very scattered, and we need some kind of plan
  647. [20:51] <Kennythehitman> Filter_: it's a starter project
  648. [20:51] <timg> getting people to contribute is different
  649. [20:51] <Withremote> build a website with a CMS that we build
  650. [20:52] <baffler> I thought we agreed to make millions of dollars?
  651. [20:52] <calzone21> would the website act as a hub for our projects?
  652. [20:52] <Justin__> and plus it will filter out A LOT of the people who wont stick around
  653. [20:52] <miyako> in the mean time we would begin to organize and design for a larger project for the people who followed through and wanted to continue with the project
  654. [20:52] <neTTos> baffler: exactly
  655. [20:52] <timg> baffler: that's exactly what we're doing here
  656. [20:52] <baffler> good
  657. [20:52] <Kennythehitman> calzone21: yes
  658. [20:52] <Filter_> Alright... I like the idea of filtering things
  659. [20:52] <timg> k
  660. [20:52] <timg> so step 1: website
  661. [20:52] <miyako> As of right now, we do not have a clear direction for what that followup project will be. People are interested in web, mobile, and "desktop" applications. We need suggestions for what problems we actually want to solve though.
  662. [20:52] <neTTos> Filter_: haha :D
  663. [20:52] <timg> what will be used to build said website?
  664. [20:52] <Kennythehitman> I humbly suggest Flask, the Python microframework.
  665. 03[20:52] * tboat changes topic to 'Recap: Python, C++, Java, Javascript are the current top most wanted languages. Our "warm up" project will be a website for organizing, a git repo, and a game. A second "main" desktop program will also be worked on. A signup will be created for these groups. Perhaps a second meeting tomorrow night or this week where we split into these groups?'
  666. [20:53] <calzone21> ok I am excited to get started :P
  667. [20:53] <Fast_Absorbing> Filter_: Can I absorb what you have filtered?
  668. [20:53] <G14> hey guys just joined, was there a decision on what language/stack for the site
  669. [20:53] <Filter_> Fast_Absorbing: sure ;)
  670. [20:53] <nitrosage> yea
  671. [20:53] <Filter_> yea we need to decide on a problem to solve
  672. [20:53] <Bradford> tboat soudns good to me! same time?
  673. [20:53] <Kennythehitman> It's easy to pick up and we can decide our own coupling.
  674. [20:53] <bti> what will the purpose of our site be? to feature our stuff?
  675. [20:53] <nitrosage> +1 tboat
  676. [20:53] <Kennythehitman> SQLAlchemy is a fantastic ORM
  677. [20:53] <boe> re: topic +1
  678. [20:53] <timg> tboat: an IRC channel for the website, and one for each other project?
  679. [20:53] <Kennythehitman> Jinja2 is a fantastic templating engine.
  680. [20:54] <calzone21> bti: yup, i beliive that's the plan
  681. [20:54] <miyako> I think the best approach is a primary IRC channel, with baby channels spawning off from it as required by the development teams
  682. [20:54] <nitrosage> creating irc chans is easy
  683. [20:54] <Daniel110> Django it's a fantastic framework
  684. [20:54] <@tboat> timg: i figure an IRC for the overall group, #ProgCollab, where we will begin meetings, then break into group IRC's
  685. [20:54] <Marshall_H> I was just helping my roommate print something, I'm guessing I missed a TON of stuff, can anyone TL;DR me?
  686. [20:54] <Rosur> django i want to learn mostlly
  687. [20:54] <timg> Marshall_H: there will be a log posted, I think
  688. [20:54] <TheDuceCat> i would love to do the game
  689. [20:54] <@tboat> Marshall_H, read my recap
  690. [20:54] <calzone21> agreed on django
  691. [20:54] <baffler> TL;DR: read the topic :P
  692. [20:54] <Kennythehitman> I'm working on a media platform application in Django. https://github.com/kennyledet/emp
  693. [20:54] <TheDuceCat> i've made many games in many languages
  694. [20:54] <Justin__> Marshall: the script will be posted later
  695. [20:55] <TheDuceCat> block dude, snake, pong, java, c#, python
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  697. [20:55] <Kennythehitman> Honestly it might be too much for what we need to do, but it's up to the group.
  698. [20:55] <Marshall_H> Alright, thanks.
  699. [20:55] <miyako> I'm on board with meeting tomorrow to break up into groups and talk about a direction forward for the second project
  700. [20:55] <Kennythehitman> Both Django and Flask are easy to learn, and are excellent frameworks.
  701. [20:55] <timg> ok, so should we just build the website with straight html?
  702. [20:55] <nitrosage> no
  703. [20:55] <Kennythehitman> The difference is mainly in the batteries included.
  704. [20:55] <zakbain> no
  705. [20:55] <ArexBawrin> How can inexperienced programmers (me) participate in these warmup projects? I know a little python...
  706. [20:55] <nitrosage> Javascript, Python, PHP/MySQL backend
  707. [20:56] <nitrosage> Website project
  708. [20:56] <G14> html isnt a programming language, so that would defeat the purpose
  709. [20:56] <timg> nitrosage: ok
  710. 03[20:56] * tboat changes topic to 'Before I turn off the log, does anyone have any major questions/or concerns they feel absolutely need to be addressed?'
  711. [20:56] <Kennythehitman> ArexBawrin: Documentation, and we'll gladly help you out with everything
  712. [20:56] <nitrosage> umm
  713. [20:56] <Daniel110> we would need to use html but not just that
  714. [20:56] <nitrosage> schedule next meeting?
  715. [20:56] <nitrosage> tboat
  716. [20:56] <Filter_> ArexBawrin: once we decide on something to do, there will be all sorts of tasks that will need to be done... big to small
  717. [20:56] <miyako> tboat: we should elect at least a temporary leader/moderator
  718. [20:56] <miyako> I nominate tboat
  719. [20:56] <zakbain> seconded
  720. [20:56] <Filter_> +1
  721. [20:56] <timg> all in favor of tboat say aye
  722. [20:56] <ArexBawrin> aye
  723. [20:56] <TheDuceCat> aye
  724. [20:56] <G14> +1
  725. [20:56] <miyako> aye
  726. [20:57] <Kennythehitman> aye
  727. [20:57] <Justin__> aye
  728. [20:57] <Daniel110> aye
  729. 01[20:57] <gabe1118> aye
  730. [20:57] <Fast_Absorbing> :P tboat needs to agree?
  731. [20:57] <neTTos> aye
  732. [20:57] <boe> aye
  733. [20:57] <bti> AYE
  734. [20:57] <Filter_> the ayes have it
  735. [20:57] <zakbain> NAY!
  736. [20:57] <@tboat> i accept, any opposed?
  737. [20:57] <zakbain> no I'm cool
  738. [20:57] <@tboat> haha /BAN!
  739. [20:57] <timg> tboat is our leader
  740. [20:57] <Bradford> eye
  741. [20:57] <TheDuceCat> OBJECTION
  742. [20:57] <Marshall_H> aye
  743. [20:57] <BrotherGA2> aye aye
  744. [20:57] <Fast_Absorbing> aye
  745. [20:57] <nitrosage> i agree tboat
  746. [20:57] <calzone21> aye
  747. [20:57] <Marshall_H> I meant aye to the accept
  748. [20:57] <centigrade233> I
  749. [20:57] <TheDuceCat> i vote for tboat's evil twin tship
  750. [20:57] <Filter_> or forever hold your peace!
  751. [20:57] <Daniel110> all in favor of daniel110 say aye :)
  752. [20:57] <TheDuceCat> bye
  753. [20:57] <boe> lol
  754. [20:57] <Filter_> lol
  755. [20:57] <calzone21> haha
  756. [20:58] <Rosur> lol
  757. 03[20:58] * tboat changes topic to ' Last call for questions concerns before final topic update!'
  758. [20:58] <thearrowflies> So
  759. [20:58] <thearrowflies> what did I miss?
  760. [20:58] <timg> Well, what is the plan for moving forward?
  761. [20:58] <Bradford> LOL
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  763. [20:58] <Justin__> lol
  764. [20:58] <Bradford> Same time meeting tomorrow?
  765. [20:58] <Fast_Absorbing> thearrowflies: just about everything :P
  766. [20:58] <Filter_> ok so it looks like everyones attention span is used up... i say we try and get a post on the subreddit before the night is over with everything weve decided so far?
  767. [20:58] <Kennythehitman> thearrowflies: we've decided on a small starter project
  768. [20:58] <Fast_Absorbing> Could we hold tomorrows meeting earlier?
  769. [20:59] <thearrowflies> the movie took too long >.>
  770. [20:59] <G14> i cam for the free donuts, there are free donuts right?
  771. [20:59] <thearrowflies> what are the project details?
  772. [20:59] <ArexBawrin> and cake?
  773. [20:59] <timg> 7PM EST would work for me
  774. [20:59] <zergh> ah so i am late.
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  777. [20:59] <zergh> Is there any log?
  778. [20:59] <Bradford> I live in california so this is the perfect time haha
  779. [20:59] <miyako> I can't do anything earlier than 19:00EST/18:00CST
  780. [20:59] <timg> zergh: there will be
  781. [20:59] <Kennythehitman> thearrowflies: a web application backend for supporting our future projects
  782. [20:59] <neTTos> Post next meeting time and I will be there.
  783. [20:59] <bti> zergh: yes, it the subreddit soon
  784. [20:59] <thearrowflies> ok
  785. [20:59] <centigrade233_> will there be cake?
  786. [20:59] <calzone21> don't worry if you guys are late, there will be a summary!
  787. [20:59] <zergh> And please post timinngs in UTC, please.
  788. [21:00] <Fast_Absorbing> and GMT :<
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  790. [21:00] <Marshall_H> Just learn to convert time zones?
  791. [21:00] <thearrowflies> google is your friend
  792. [21:00] <Marshall_H> not to be a dick, but it takes like 2 seconds haha
  793. [21:00] <Filter_> we should build a time zone converter
  794. [21:00] <Bradford> hahaha
  795. [21:00] <TheDuceCat> there is a website for that
  796. [21:00] <timg> 00:00 UTC ?
  797. [21:00] <calzone21> it is needed
  798. [21:00] <miyako> post the meeting time in unix time :P
  799. [21:00] <BrotherGA2> Can we vote on having the meeting one hour earlier tomorrow? 7PM EST instead of 8PM EST?
  800. [21:00] <Filter_> yea its simple arithmetic against a list :(
  801. 03[21:00] * tboat changes topic to 'A log will be posted within the next 30 min. To recap: A website for organizing/git repo/ and a web game for a warmup project, however a second "main" project will also be started for more experienced programmers. As that group should decide their project, we will reconvene tomorrow night to meet, then break off into groups.'
  802. [21:00] <zergh> Yes it takes two seconds, but then I have to look back when the reddit post was made and do some calcuations
  803. [21:00] <@tboat> and yes we can vote on a time
  804. [21:00] <TheDuceCat> done http://www.timezoneconverter.com/
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  807. [21:01] <centigrade233_> aptly named
  808. [21:01] <nitrosage> @tboat, using github for the repo would be best
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  810. [21:01] <Rosur> sounds good
  811. [21:01] <Avir94> hello!
  812. [21:01] <nitrosage> but yea
  813. [21:01] <timg> nitrosage: is right
  814. [21:01] <nitrosage> sound good
  815. [21:01] <bti> cool cool
  816. [21:01] <FRodrigues_> cool
  817. [21:01] <timg> make a new github user called rprogcollab
  818. [21:01] <timg> or whatever.
  819. [21:01] <nitrosage> no not user
  820. [21:01] <nitrosage> just a project
  821. [21:01] <nitrosage> we can link to project
  822. [21:01] <Justin_> ^
  823. [21:01] <timg> then what
  824. 02[21:01] * centigrade233 (ad36801b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.54.128.27) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  825. [21:02] <timg> oh
  826. [21:02] <nitrosage> but users have to no how ot use github
  827. [21:02] <Justin_> you have your own username
  828. [21:02] <nitrosage> i mean git
  829. [21:02] <Justin_> in git
  830. [21:02] <timg> of course
  831. 03[21:02] * tboat changes topic to 'A vote has been called for a change to 7 PM EST tomorrow night (1 hour earlier) All in favor?'
  832. [21:02] <timg> we shall post the tutorial to the sub
  833. [21:02] <thearrowflies> I
  834. [21:02] <Marshall_H> aye
  835. [21:02] <calzone21> ok farewell everyone
  836. [21:02] <BrotherGA2> aye
  837. [21:02] <TheDuceCat> here is my source code for the snake game
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  839. [21:02] <Kennythehitman> http://gitimmersion.com/
  840. [21:02] <Avir94> Aye
  841. [21:02] <neTTos> tboat: sure
  842. [21:02] <Justin_> Nay
  843. 06[21:02] * Filter_
  844. [21:02] <nitrosage> Aye
  845. [21:02] <Fast_Absorbing> aye
  846. [21:02] <Bradford> I like 8PM better
  847. [21:02] <TheDuceCat> http://www.mediafire.com/?c53h0s73g3ks4ts
  848. [21:02] <SlimTim10> can rock-paper-scissors be the first project?
  849. [21:02] <SlimTim10> here it is in C:
  850. [21:02] <SlimTim10> #define p printf
  851. [21:02] <@tboat> any others opposed to an hour earlier?
  852. [21:02] <SlimTim10> void rps(int x,int y){x==y?p("Tie"):x==(y+1)%3?p("Lose"):p("Win");}
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  854. [21:03] <Filter_> welp that was fun, see u guys same time next year
  855. [21:03] <Fast_Absorbing> SlimTim10: you seem to have that one covered, what do you need collab for? :P
  856. [21:03] <neTTos> lol
  857. [21:03] <Bradford> I oppose
  858. [21:03] <Bradford> but it seems like the majority prefers 7pm
  859. [21:03] <SlimTim10> it's my subtle way of saying how obfuscated this "meeting" has become ;)
  860. [21:03] <miyako> honestly, that went a little better than I had expected, but not as well as I had hoped
  861. [21:03] <intothev01d> nice
  862. [21:03] <FRodrigues_> i prefer 7pm!
  863. [21:03] <Fast_Absorbing> Bradford: the meeting will inevitably overrun like todays
  864. [21:04] <Withremote> 7pm is good
  865. [21:04] <BrotherGA2> FRodrigues_, yes... for those of us in europe... 8PM is pretty late XD
  866. [21:04] <Rosur> 7pm would be slightly better as its midnight here in the uk but 8pms allright.
  867. [21:04] <Avir94> what will be the topic of discussion tomorrow?
  868. [21:04] <TheDuceCat> once we are split up things will be much more orderly
  869. [21:04] <centigrade233_> Fast_Absorbing: not if we impose a totalitarian regime!
  870. [21:05] <Filter_> alright so are we throught with the official meeting for today?
  871. [21:05] <Fast_Absorbing> centigrade233_: Da Comrad, Victory of the Clocks shall be stolen from the Pigs in the West
  872. [21:05] <Fast_Absorbing> Filter_: it went okay, at least we have some direction
  873. [21:05] <Avir94> what is this direction?
  874. [21:06] <timg> 7PM is good for me
  875. [21:06] <TheDuceCat> starter project to break the ice
  876. 03[21:06] * tboat changes topic to 'The aye's have it, tomorrow's meeting will be at 7 PM EST, a reminder will be posted in the sub, and of course the meeting will be logged for those who can not make it. A final recap of the meeting tonight: Made introductions, discussed languages, preferred projects, established a first project (website/with a webgame), also established a "main project" for experienced progs. The meet'
  877. [21:06] <Filter_> Fast_Absorbing: yeah it went good considering how many people are here... i just wanna make sure all is settled before i log off
  878. [21:06] <@tboat> haha stupid topic limit
  879. [21:06] <Marshall_H> lol
  880. [21:06] <Fast_Absorbing> Avir94: it's in the Topic
  881. [21:06] <BrotherGA2> The first few meetings will be difficult, but we'll sort it out once we have groups and assign tasks to different people.
  882. [21:06] <Marshall_H> Make a pastebin and put iti n the topic
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  884. [21:06] <Marshall_H> for a longer recap
  885. [21:07] <Kennythehitman> I was logging everything in irssi, just in case
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  887. [21:07] <@tboat> I feel it will be better to plan the projects within the groups, rather than a large group with some people wanting to go this way, and others another
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  890. [21:07] <TheDuceCat> tboat +1
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  892. [21:07] <BrotherGA2> tboat, agreed, that's what I meant.
  893. [21:07] <Bradford> group leaders?
  894. [21:07] <timg> how does one get into a group?
  895. [21:07] <Rosur> yea agree
  896. [21:07] <neTTos> Well I better go, I will be back tomorrow, Good Evening
  897. [21:07] <Filter_> I suppose we will learn that soon
  898. [21:08] <Filter_> later
  899. [21:08] <Fast_Absorbing> tboat, agree
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  901. [21:08] <timg> cya neTTos
  902. [21:08] <@tboat> i will be posting a sign up later on
  903. [21:08] <miyako> tboat: I agree, I also think it will be better to have some initial design decisions made by more experienced developers
  904. [21:08] <Guest29467> hello
  905. [21:08] <@tboat> and the groups will choose their leaders
  906. [21:08] <TheDuceCat> i would love to lead the game group but there might be better people than me
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  908. [21:08] <Justin_> Got to go. Peace out guys, I look forward to getting this rolling with all of you. Thanks for getting this started tboat!
  909. [21:08] <BrotherGA2> thanks for everyone who is getting involved in this. this is something I really want to learn to do.
  910. [21:08] <thearrowflies> Id love to lead the noob group, I think im a pretty good noob >.>
  911. [21:08] <timg> i guess the better leader is not necessarily the better coder
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  913. [21:08] <Fast_Absorbing> TheDuceCat: I imagine we will have a vote
  914. [21:08] <TheDuceCat> yeah probably
  915. [21:08] <Kennythehitman> Peace
  916. [21:09] <Fast_Absorbing> but i would be happy for you to lead
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  918. [21:09] <miyako> I think tboat will take over via a military coup
  919. [21:09] <timg> heh
  920. [21:09] <TheDuceCat> aww you're so nice Fast_Absorbing!
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  922. [21:09] <FRodrigues_> good meeting! bb
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  924. [21:09] <@tboat> miayko: shhhhhhh im not using you all to code my doomsday virus...i mean what?
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  926. [21:09] <TheDuceCat> I wonder how many people are going to linger
  927. 01[21:09] <gabe1118> alot...
  928. [21:09] <Withremote> i'll take a swing at python this week
  929. [21:09] <Filter_> i just ran tboat through an anagram finder... guess what the top result was....
  930. [21:10] <Fast_Absorbing> I might for a bit
  931. [21:10] <@tboat> do you have to, do you have to, do you have to let it linggeerrrr
  932. [21:10] <Filter_> Skynet.
  933. [21:10] <TheDuceCat> yes learn python
  934. [21:10] <TheDuceCat> great language
  935. [21:10] <BrotherGA2> Good night everyone! Valar morghulis, etc.
  936. [21:10] <Fast_Absorbing> let me again plug my Pi idea, which already has a github associated ;D
  937. [21:10] <bti> tboat: so we are definitely going to have some type of website?
  938. [21:10] <TheDuceCat> PSA to all noobs to python: watch this video series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mf0h3HphEA
  939. [21:10] <Filter_> are you hoping to find the last digit of pi?
  940. [21:10] <@tboat> bti: yes, preferably with scripts so people who are new can get their foot into the door with variables/statements/arrays
  941. [21:10] <Fast_Absorbing> https://github.com/jxtcman/PeerToPy <<-- My start on a python pi calculator
  942. [21:10] <thearrowflies> We decided on python?
  943. [21:11] <Fast_Absorbing> Filter_: no silly, everyone knows it's 7 :)
  944. [21:11] <Kennythehitman> I also have to recommend Think Python to the novices.
  945. [21:11] <Filter_> lol
  946. [21:11] <TheDuceCat> well the web game has to be JS
  947. [21:11] <Bradford> thenewboston ftw
  948. [21:11] <Kennythehitman> Freely available http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkpython.html
  949. [21:11] <TheDuceCat> :(
  950. [21:11] <DarkEnergy> does anyone in here have experience in visual basic?
  951. [21:11] <thearrowflies> it shouldnt be hard to learn quickly
  952. [21:11] <bti> tboat: i have a coupon for a domain name that expires in 24 hours. nothing i need it for, wouldn't mind getting us a nice .com or .org
  953. [21:11] <timg> i did some vb in highschool
  954. [21:11] <Kennythehitman> VB :/
  955. [21:11] <Filter_> gui interface in visual basic to track the killer
  956. [21:11] <timg> but I don't want to talk about it.
  957. [21:11] <Fast_Absorbing> Filter_: track the IP*
  958. [21:12] <Filter_> Fast_Absorbing: ahhh yes
  959. [21:12] <miyako> I think we should have the community elect someone to manage things like domains, etc.
  960. [21:12] <Fast_Absorbing> We should both type of the same keyboard to write it, get it done faster ;)
  961. [21:12] <DarkEnergy> i'm just trying to get my program to start up minimized (the the task bar) when windows starts
  962. [21:12] <thearrowflies> the dictator does, duhh.
  963. [21:12] <Filter_> I could do the domain management
  964. [21:12] <Filter_> i used to build websites
  965. [21:12] <Kennythehitman> I have a server and wouldn't mind helping out on that end too.
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  967. [21:12] <timg> miyako: some officers to maintain order would be good indeed
  968. [21:12] <Filter_> i dont have hosting anymore though
  969. [21:12] <Kennythehitman> I host quite a few websites there but there's tons of room :)
  970. [21:12] <TheDuceCat> for the game we could use straight up JS or pyjs
  971. [21:12] <Fast_Absorbing> I quite like the idea of being an Officer
  972. 01[21:13] <gabe1118> same here
  973. [21:13] <timg> excuse me occifer!
  974. [21:13] <thearrowflies> Should there also be people that go around between groups that are just there to help?
  975. [21:13] <Marshall_H> hey drunk im not occifer!
  976. [21:13] <Kennythehitman> HTML5/js would be preferable for a cross-platform web game
  977. [21:13] <timg> thearrowflies: tboat
  978. [21:13] <G14> tar bender i need adrother nink
  979. [21:13] <thearrowflies> oh
  980. [21:14] <TheDuceCat> we can use pyjs
  981. 03[21:14] * tboat changes topic to ' Thanks to all who came out to the first meeting! A summary and copy of the chat log will be posted in /r/progcollab! Tomorrow's meeting: electing officers, group leaders, breaking into project groups!'
  982. [21:14] <TheDuceCat> or straight up js
  983. [21:14] <Bradford> @tboat awesome!
  984. 01[21:14] <gabe1118> nice
  985. [21:14] <Fast_Absorbing> I would prefer just Javascript and Python seperately
  986. [21:14] <Filter_> yes
  987. [21:14] <DarkEnergy> javascript is really nice
  988. [21:14] <Filter_> its better to code the language you are using
  989. [21:14] <miyako> Is there an elected position I can have that means I get all of the credit without having any responsibility? :P
  990. [21:14] <Kennythehitman> +1 Fast_Absorbing
  991. [21:14] <thearrowflies> let me get my bot in here...
  992. [21:15] <TheDuceCat> i really don't like js for anything other than really simple scripts
  993. 01[21:15] <gabe1118> miyako: lol figurehead
  994. [21:15] <TheDuceCat> dart lang is awesome but not widely supported yet
  995. [21:15] <Fast_Absorbing> DarkEnergy: I don't know about that, but it would be confusing for nooblets to write frontend in python, and other reasons
  996. 03[21:15] * tboat changes topic to 'Thanks to all who came out to the first meeting! A summary and copy of the chat log will be posted in /r/progcollab! Tomorrow's meeting: electing officers, group leaders, breaking into project groups! Please take the survey: http://goo.gl/mCjM1'
  997. [21:15] <Kennythehitman> I think we should determine who the officers are a little ways into the project, possibly depending on who actually contributes enough
  998. [21:15] <centigrade233_> ^
  999. [21:15] <Kennythehitman> And how well done the contributions are
  1000. [21:16] <centigrade233_> although we'd need some sort of initial organization
  1001. [21:16] <TheDuceCat> take the survey again?
  1002. [21:16] <G14> Question/Proposition: Since the primary objective is to progress learning of a programming language, should we not split up into groups by interest in language, then those groups can decide what project to tackle with it. not trying to rock the boat, just a suggestion
  1003. [21:16] <TheDuceCat> oh its updated
  1004. [21:16] <Kennythehitman> True
  1005. [21:16] <miyako> Kennythehitman: I agree, but I do think we should have a couple of people temporarily elected to head things up, we will need leadership the most when we are trying to get things started
  1006. [21:16] <Fast_Absorbing> Kennythehitman: but leaders are not necessarily the best coders
  1007. [21:16] <@tboat> TheDuceCat, did you take it after the update?
  1008. [21:16] <TheDuceCat> no
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  1010. [21:16] <TheDuceCat> im doing it now tboat
  1011. [21:16] <Kennythehitman> miyako, Fast_Absorbing , good points
  1012. [21:16] <@tboat> g14 go back and read the log when i post it, its not broken up based on language
  1013. [21:17] <Kennythehitman> How should we decide initially?
  1014. [21:17] <miyako> Fast_Absorbing: true, but coding skills aside, I think that in time natural leaders will emerge, we just need to elect people to cover the gap so that we don't end up stationary with everyone failing to go in a direction and get things done
  1015. [21:17] <Kennythehitman> Based on concrete examples of experience?
  1016. [21:17] <miyako> Kennythehitman: I'd suggest going to experience, willingness to actually participate, etc.
  1017. [21:17] <G14> @tboat i know it currently isn't, which is why i propose it should be
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  1019. [21:17] <Kennythehitman> Agreed
  1020. 03[21:17] * TheDuceCat is now known as Duce
  1021. [21:17] <Fast_Absorbing> miyako: I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying that if we choose people based on coding ability we may end up with the quiet types instead of strong-headed types
  1022. [21:17] <@tboat> g14 Meeting adjorned :/
  1023. [21:17] <Duce> i'm going to be Duce from now on
  1024. [21:18] <Duce> just letting you know
  1025. [21:18] <miyako> Fast_Absorbing: that's a risk, but I'm not sure how to mitigate it
  1026. [21:18] <Duce> you know what i'll stay theducecat to keep it simple
  1027. 03[21:18] * Duce is now known as TheDuceCat
  1028. 01[21:18] <gabe1118> if there are no forced leaders, because of the lack of experience, the groups might fall apart
  1029. [21:18] <Fast_Absorbing> miyako: vote on who you would like best to lead you?
  1030. [21:18] <miyako> I think since tboat is the current benevolent dictator, anyone interested in helping out in a leadership position should contact him with a "resume" and then he can nominate people he things would be a good fit for initial leaders
  1031. [21:18] <Filter_> first we need to figure out how to split the groups up then we can pick leaders
  1032. [21:19] <G14> @tboat heh, sure thing chief
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  1034. [21:19] <Bradford> +1 miyako
  1035. [21:19] <Filter_> we dont even know how many 'leaders' we need yet
  1036. [21:19] <thearrowflies> .list
  1037. [21:19] <ArrowBot> thearrowflies: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Games, Google, Internet, Lart, Later, Math, Misc, Network, NickCapture, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Reply, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Success, Time, User, Utilities, and Web
  1038. [21:19] <Bradford> I feel there should be more than 1 in each group
  1039. [21:19] <miyako> people can vote on if they agree, and then those people will be appointed for say, 3 months, and then once we've worked together for a while we can have a real election
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  1041. [21:19] <TheDuceCat> does the game have to be a web game?
  1042. [21:20] <Bradford> maybe people should nominate leaders and cast votes
  1043. 01[21:20] <gabe1118> what does the bot do?
  1044. [21:20] <Fast_Absorbing> TheDuceCat: no, but why shouldn't it be?
  1045. [21:20] <bti> TheDuceCat: any reason it shouldn't?
  1046. [21:20] <Kennythehitman> I also think tboat should decide to narrow it down
  1047. [21:20] <miyako> Bradford: I think in the long term that will work, but for now we don't know each other, so people can't really make a reasonable decision on voting
  1048. [21:20] <TheDuceCat> pygame is great for game development
  1049. [21:20] <thearrowflies> its default supybot, so not much
  1050. [21:20] <TheDuceCat> and its cross platform
  1051. [21:20] <Kennythehitman> Then the narrowed down list could be voted upon by everyone
  1052. [21:20] <TheDuceCat> and it's pretty easy to grasp
  1053. [21:21] <TheDuceCat> js for bigger projects can get a little crazy
  1054. [21:21] <@tboat> do pastebins expire?
  1055. [21:21] <centigrade233_> no
  1056. [21:21] <TheDuceCat> you can st them to
  1057. [21:21] <timg> pygame.. still havent messed with it
  1058. [21:21] <TheDuceCat> pygame is great
  1059. [21:21] <miyako> tboat: not by default, but you can set a timeout value on them
  1060. [21:21] <TheDuceCat> so is LOVE2D but we're sticking with Python
  1061. [21:21] <Fast_Absorbing> TheDuceCat: could write a front-end drawing program and run the game server-side
  1062. [21:21] <Rosur> night guys
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  1064. [21:21] <Filter_> []
  1065. [21:21] <TheDuceCat> that's true Fast
  1066. [21:22] <Fast_Absorbing> that would also make a high-score system reliable
  1067. [21:22] <miyako> Fast_Absorbing: that would limit the types of games that we could make though, doing everything through HTTP will mean latency will be a bitch
  1068. [21:22] <TheDuceCat> true
  1069. [21:23] <TheDuceCat> that's great for turn based games
  1070. [21:23] <TheDuceCat> but real time
  1071. [21:23] <Fast_Absorbing> miyako: websockets can be very sexy though
  1072. [21:23] <TheDuceCat> hmm
  1073. [21:23] <Fast_Absorbing> have you seen Socket.IO for node?
  1074. [21:23] <Filter_> javascript is the future
  1075. [21:23] <miyako> Fast_Absorbing: hopefully one thing people will learn in this project is that just because something is sexy doesn't make it the correct technical choice :)
  1076. [21:23] <thearrowflies> sockets in java suck >.> partly because they dont work
  1077. [21:23] <TheDuceCat> i hate js
  1078. [21:24] <TheDuceCat> it's not that it's terrible
  1079. [21:24] <TheDuceCat> it's that it's a forced language
  1080. [21:24] <TheDuceCat> somewhat
  1081. [21:24] <Fast_Absorbing> thearrowflies: node.js is javascript, and socket.io is websockets
  1082. [21:24] <thearrowflies> i know
  1083. [21:24] <thearrowflies> i was just mentioning
  1084. [21:24] <thearrowflies> since i saw sockets
  1085. [21:24] <Fast_Absorbing> TheDuceCat: It's the only truly universal front-end language
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  1087. [21:24] <G14> PSA: season premiere of breakin bad in 30 min.
  1088. [21:24] <Marshall_H> ^^
  1089. [21:24] <Filter_> its moving to back end as well
  1090. [21:24] <TheDuceCat> have you seen Dart by Google?
  1091. [21:24] <Fast_Absorbing> Everybody has a web-browser, you can't guarantee much else
  1092. [21:24] <thearrowflies> you can sign into the site and watch it there
  1093. [21:24] <baffler> ;O
  1094. [21:24] <TheDuceCat> i really like the concepts
  1095. [21:24] <miyako> tboat: I'll volunteer to act as a mentor/temporary community leader, if you want to go that direction.
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  1098. [21:25] <@tboat> miyako: i liked your idea of applying, i will make a note of it in the meeting recap, about to post it.
  1099. [21:25] <TheDuceCat> i dont like js for games especially
  1100. [21:25] <TheDuceCat> there's something about it
  1101. [21:26] <Filter_> C++ in the browser
  1102. [21:26] <Filter_> we can invent it
  1103. [21:26] <TheDuceCat> it has been
  1104. [21:26] <TheDuceCat> NaCL
  1105. [21:26] <miyako> Filter_: google has that, it hasn't seen much adoption
  1106. [21:26] <Filter_> salt?
  1107. [21:26] <Filter_> ill check it out
  1108. [21:26] <TheDuceCat> yes table salt
  1109. [21:26] <Kennythehitman> tboat: I'll also volunteer as a mentor for the web development group, if that's alright with you
  1110. [21:26] <miyako> C++ isn't an ideal language to have running on top of a sandboxed environment IMHO
  1111. [21:26] <TheDuceCat> yeah it's not very popular atm
  1112. [21:27] <TheDuceCat> i still like pygame
  1113. [21:27] <miyako> I think something like Lua would be a better choice for web scripting
  1114. [21:27] <TheDuceCat> lua?
  1115. [21:27] <TheDuceCat> i like the lang
  1116. 01[21:27] <gabe1118> i know mostly java/html if a mentor is needed for those languages
  1117. [21:27] <TheDuceCat> very lightweight, very fast
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  1119. [21:27] <miyako> TheDuceCat: it's a language designed to be embedded into other applications, lightweight and fast, used a lot in games
  1120. 03[21:27] * timg (4840d75a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.64.215.90) has joined #rProgrammingCollaborative
  1121. [21:28] <TheDuceCat> oh yeah i love lua
  1122. [21:28] <TheDuceCat> what about java for the game?
  1123. [21:28] <TheDuceCat> cross platform, fairly easy
  1124. [21:28] <TheDuceCat> i've done java game dev with slick2d
  1125. [21:28] <TheDuceCat> it's simple
  1126. 01[21:28] <gabe1118> theyre usuing lua on /r/Hawkthorne and its turning out nice
  1127. [21:28] <TheDuceCat> i made block dude with custom levels in a few days
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  1131. [21:29] <timg_> damn webchat sucks
  1132. 01[21:29] <gabe1118> slick and lwjgl are good and simpler to learn than java without an external lib
  1133. [21:29] <TheDuceCat> wait i did block dude without any libs
  1134. [21:29] <TheDuceCat> i forgot
  1135. [21:29] <TheDuceCat> just plain old java no external libs
  1136. 01[21:30] <gabe1118> i did a zombie game with no libs but the fps was so low it was not that fun
  1137. [21:30] <TheDuceCat> our options are java, pygame, js?
  1138. [21:30] <TheDuceCat> c++ maybe but it might be too complicated
  1139. [21:30] <TheDuceCat> i love c++
  1140. [21:30] <TheDuceCat> but some others might get lost and confused
  1141. [21:31] <Fast_Absorbing> But these ideas don't include many new people
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  1144. [21:31] <miyako> C++ is like someone tried to make an octopus by nailing extra legs to a dog
  1145. [21:31] <Bradford> how will we deal with people who do not know the language but want to participate in the project?
  1146. [21:31] <TheDuceCat> miyako that is a great desc. of c++
  1147. [21:31] <centigrade233> things are getting technical-ish, that's my cue to leave
  1148. [21:31] <Fast_Absorbing> Bradford: exactly
  1149. 02[21:31] * jtrip_ (450eb52f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.14.181.47) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  1150. [21:31] <centigrade233> bye!
  1151. [21:31] <Filter__> .
  1152. [21:31] <TheDuceCat> js, pygame, java
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  1154. [21:31] <miyako> Bradford: I think the idea is for the mentors to help direct those people and answer questions to guide them into making patches that they can submit
  1155. 01[21:31] <gabe1118> learn the hard way (which is by doing)
  1156. [21:31] <Fast_Absorbing> a web game means there are more than one language involved, involving more decs
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  1159. [21:31] <Fast_Absorbing> devs*
  1160. [21:32] <Bradford> okay i see
  1161. 02[21:32] * timg (4840d75a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.64.215.90) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  1162. [21:32] <TheDuceCat> i guess
  1163. [21:33] <TheDuceCat> js front end python back end?
  1164. [21:33] <TheDuceCat> or maybe node?
  1165. [21:33] <miyako> I just thought of something; we should probably think about at the next meeting maybe establishing some community codes of conduct. Nothing too onerous but just something to make sure things stay friendly and people aren't feeling denigrated or left out
  1166. [21:33] <TheDuceCat> +1
  1167. [21:33] <Kennythehitman> TheDuceCat: we could do the actual game frontend/backend in JS entirely, using Node yes
  1168. [21:33] <Filter__> if we split the front end and the back end that would give more people a chance to code in something they like/konw
  1169. [21:34] <Fast_Absorbing> Filter__: _1
  1170. [21:34] <Kennythehitman> The simple website we were discussing for a startup project could be done in a microframework
  1171. [21:34] <TheDuceCat> i'm still in love with pygame
  1172. [21:34] <timg_> geeze miyako
  1173. [21:34] <timg_> anything you do like?
  1174. [21:34] <miyako> timg_: I like a lot of things, but that doesn't stop me from complaining about them :P
  1175. [21:35] <timg_> ;)
  1176. [21:35] <Kennythehitman> And then this website would contain the actual hub in which our projects are hosted
  1177. [21:35] <Kennythehitman> I should say accessible, rather
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  1179. [21:35] <TheDuceCat> what about a java or pygame client with a server back end for multi/high scores
  1180. [21:36] <timg_> so, tell us about iFapper
  1181. [21:36] <Kennythehitman> timg: hahaha
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  1183. [21:36] <Kennythehitman> I did it for a friend, honestly
  1184. [21:36] <timg_> :)
  1185. [21:36] <Kennythehitman> my own ideas were ripplr and 4channer
  1186. [21:37] <Fast_Absorbing> TheDuceCat: The problem is that the hgihscores are normally easy to hack in some way
  1187. [21:37] <Filter__> alright guys... i wish i could stay until there was no one left in here but i have some stuff to take care of, mainly hunger.
  1188. [21:37] <Filter__> its been fun, ill see you guys tomorrow
  1189. [21:37] <Fast_Absorbing> Bye Filter__
  1190. [21:37] <miyako> take it easy Filter__
  1191. [21:37] <Kennythehitman> bye
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  1193. [21:37] <@tboat> Meeting recap is posted.
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