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<mDiyo> Heyo~
<mDiyo> I've made some conduits. What am I supposed to make next?
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<mDiyo> Tell me there's something to make next. I will be severely disappointed if there isn't.
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<Murrlin> power or item?
<mDiyo> Anything.
<Murrlin> have fun with item filters!
<mDiyo> I'm looking for progression or something to do other than "hurr move water around"
<mDiyo> Oh fuck that.
<Murrlin> ^^;
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<mDiyo> I'm looking for a goal or task that the mod wants me to perform.
<mDiyo> Nothing?
<mDiyo> The mod has content with absolutely no direction or purpose on its own?
<Murrlin> No fate except what you make
<mDiyo> There's no fate to make. There's only pipes.
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<esKaayY> EIO is more than just pipes
<mDiyo> For all intents and purposes, it may as well be just pipes. There's nothing else that gives any interesting mechanics over what the base game offers.
<mDiyo> Unless you'd like to prove me wrong?
<esKaayY> you should try the 1.7 version then :)
<mDiyo> I am trying the 1.7 version.
<mDiyo> I have not played with the mod before, and like most tech mods I'm not impressed.
<esKaayY> then maybe you just aren't into tech mods, which usually don't have a "goal or task"
<esKaayY> I think that pretty much applies to all of them
<mDiyo> And yet magic mods do. 'tis strange how they hold up better from a game design standpoint.
<esKaayY> but magic mods aren't tech mods.. apples and oranges
<mDiyo> Even dimension mods have a purpose of exploration. Ender IO has nothing.
<mDiyo> No, it's red apples and yellow apples.
<esKaayY> matter of opinion
<mDiyo> If you're going to make the comparison, they're both Minecraft mods and we can look at them right beside each other and play with them the same way.
<mDiyo> My opinion is that EnderIO fails at basic game design.
<mDiyo> >_>
<esKaayY> except it's not a game, but a mod to a game. A sandbox game, at that
<esKaayY> so why does it need a purpose?
<mDiyo> Because if it has no purpose it's not compelling.
<mDiyo> If it has no reason to play, why bother?
<esKaayY> I don't think it's aim is to play the mod with just vanilla. For me, it feels like it was built for modpacks
<esKaayY> and has such, just has some nicities
<esKaayY> like the enchanting system it has
<esKaayY> or the armor
<mDiyo> There's a problem with that: if you combine every tech mod, you still don't get something to do.
<esKaayY> quite simply, the goal of tech mods is to "have all the things" for the sake of "having all the things". It's just how they are
<esKaayY> EIO is no different in that regard compared to any other tech mod, like TE
<mDiyo> Excuse me while I go play something else then.
<esKaayY> uhm, okay
<TehNut> If you don't like it, don't play it. It really is that simple.
<mDiyo> I want to like it. I want to do something with it.
<mDiyo> The mod isn't giving me anything to do though.
<TehNut> This is completely your opinion, and you're bashing an entire mod genre like it's fact
<mDiyo> I made an alloy furnace, I made pipes, I moved water and lava. Now what?
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<TehNut> esKaayY said it earlier. The goal of tech mods is to simply "get all the things"
<TehNut> So go and "get all the things"
<GuestWho> mDiyo, I was told to offer you a tech mod with an end goal. There is one I can think of: GregTech.
<mDiyo> GregTech, Forestry, Mekanism, Thaumcraft... there are mods with their own purpose built in.
<GuestWho> The overall goal of it is to build and automate a fusion reactor.
<GuestWho> Feasibly one could argue that a fully automated power and base setup for EnderIO could be the "goal" of it.
<GuestWho> Since tech mods are mostly about taking tasks you'd have to do yourself and automating them.
<mDiyo> Already got that. One generator, some pipes, alloy furnace. Done?
<insaneau> that isn't automated
<insaneau> in any way
<GuestWho> If that's all he wants, it counts, insaneau
<GuestWho> But then he's not actually trying the tech mod, he's just dabbling.
<GauHelldragon> the goal is dark steel armor and equipment :3
<mDiyo> So what do you suggest I do then?
<insaneau> that's like saying "I have a dirt house. Minecraft complete"
<TehNut> ^ perfect analogy
<GauHelldragon> that's my favorite part of EnderIO i think
<GuestWho> mDiyo, I'd suggest you try creating an automated power setup centered around zombie generators.
<mDiyo> I built the crop device and it's farming away.
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<mDiyo> There's no point to making power if there's nothing to do with it.
<mDiyo> And just because ALL THE POWER is not what I'm looking for.
<GuestWho> Automining is normally where said power goes to. Mining/Processing.
<esKaayY> mc mods have this habit of making power producing beasts, but nothing to use it own
<GuestWho> Also, do consider that EnderIO isn't a "standalone" tech mod, per se.
<mDiyo> Same problem: nothing to do with it.
<esKaayY> kinda sucks honestly
<esKaayY> s/own/on/
<Shocky2> mc mods have this habit of making power producing beasts, but nothing to use it on
<GuestWho> It assumes you have access to automining based on RF.
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<GuestWho> Without knowing other mods in the pack, I can't provide suggestions. Like lego sets, tech mods mesh well together.
<GauHelldragon> i wonder what provoked this anyway
<GuestWho> Unless interaction is expressly coded in, the same cannot be said of magic mods - they can complement, but they don't mesh at all.
<mDiyo> I made something and had nothing to do with it, so I went looking for something to do.
<GuestWho> As such, each magic mod is a standalone.
<GuestWho> If you want something to do in minecraft, then you'll want to get a pack with HQM installed.
<mDiyo> Magic mod have a ton of things to do and few ways to make their power unit.
<mDiyo> No, I want something to do with THIS MOD
<insaneau> got darksteel things yet?
<GuestWho> As I said before, Ender IO is not built to be purely a standalone.
<insaneau> you can teleport yourself around with ender rails too
<GauHelldragon> yyeah man, dark steel armor
<GuestWho> You're expecting it to act like a magic mod.
<GuestWho> It doesn't.
<mDiyo> I'm expecting it to act like something worth playing with for more than 5 minutes.
<GuestWho> It instead provides tools and pieces you can use to complete objectives that YOU set.
<GauHelldragon> use your machines to make dark steel armor and then upgrade it
<mDiyo> Decorative mods give lots to do. Extra building materials are always nice.
<GuestWho> Tech mods are to overcome annoyances :P
<GuestWho> Don't like chopping trees? Automate it.
<mDiyo> Dimension mods have an ostensible goal of exploring the dimension.
<GuestWho> Don't like ore processing? Automate it.
<GuestWho> A tech mod only gives you a solution to things you personally do not like.
<mDiyo> Ore processing: chuck ores in a furnace. Seriously?
<GuestWho> When you are automining and have 3k copper?
<mDiyo> Even with a quarry you add some hoppers for fuel and materials, call it good.
<insaneau> i mean i guess if you're using tools that can be repaired for cobblestone and nothing else, and can mine everything in the ground, darksteel tools become a bit less useful.
<mDiyo> If you have 3k copper, add more furnaces.
<GuestWho> mDiyo, as I said before, a tech mod only gives you solutions to things you don't like doing.
<GuestWho> If you're good with the furnace setup, more power to you.
<GuestWho> They don't typically add new mechanics or options like you're accustomed to in a magic mod.
<GuestWho> They just add machines.
<GuestWho> And those machines provide clear-cut functions.
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<GuestWho> You're asking a toolkit to tell you a story, basically.
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<mDiyo> Your tools are too limited.
<insaneau> as opposed to?
<mDiyo> If you're going to give me some specific tools, give me a lot of them like Factorio does.
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<insaneau> Surely carrying around a tonne of tools is a pain
<insaneau> darksteel armor has a tonne of upgrades, so do the tools
<mDiyo> When your tools are furnaces, conveyor belts, and nuclear engines, it's going to be a pain anyway.
<insaneau> and you need roughly 10 million xp levels to do it, so you better get that xp farm going
<insaneau> or a killer joe
<insaneau> and would you look at that, suddenly your power is needed.
<TehNut> To be fair, grinding != "things to do"
<mDiyo> Yeah... if I wanted that there's plenty of MMOs to play.
<insaneau> you don't have to grind it though
<insaneau> you just need a way to get it.
<mDiyo> I think I see the problem here.
<mDiyo> The base game already does what this mod does well enough on its own, except for pipes.
<insaneau> the base game adds tools too, doesn't mean that people don't use modded ones.
<CrazyBot> [EnderIO] Mrkwtkr opened pull request #1165: Update zh_CN.lang (master...patch-1) http://git.io/Ix68KA
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<CrazyPants_cloud> I suggest you just go play a different mod mDiyo, this clearly is not for you
<CrazyPants_cloud> As someone has said, everything I have added in this mod is basically to 'fix' something that annoys me playing vanilla
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<CrazyPants_cloud> If you're imagination doesn't provide you with the goals, this mod isn't going to fill the gap
<GauHelldragon> “Ay. You speak of Flavortown. What do you know of the place?” he’ll whisper in his gruff voice, only to continue before Guy Fieri has a chance to answer.
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<CrazyPants_cloud> If you really insist on 'goals', as someone said, try and make the fully upgraded armor and see how you go with one generator or just vanilla stuff
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<CrazyPants_cloud> If you insist on trashing eio and being insulting just because it's not your thing, that's a real shame . There really are better ways to spend your time.
<CrazyPants_cloud> Go build some tinkers tools, that's clearly a goal worthy of your attention ;-)
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<careo> so, re: the purpose of GregTech… there’s no fusion reactor now. there really is no purpose to GT
<careo> just throwing that in
<careo> some mods are about providing a means to an end, others are about providing an end
<careo> IMO, it’s best if they do one OR the other.
<careo> I love tcon, but making a giant smeltery and pimped out tools is merely a means to some end. same with ender io
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<careo> the problem is when you have mods like GregTech make the end goal to just build the machinery along the way
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<careo> so you get to a poing and go, “well… I have all the HV toys. now wtf do I do? shit"
<careo> *point
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<GonzaloXavier> So hey guys ummm Killer Joe isnt killing.
<GonzaloXavier> https://i.imgur.com/Ok1nGHI.png
<GonzaloXavier> https://i.imgur.com/mKv6kp4.png
<mDiyo> It would have been different if the mod didn't run out of steam after 10 minutes on a new world.
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<insaneau> you're still yet to explain how though
<careo> if you really exhausted all it has to offer in 10 minutes, then I salute you and your loot gathering power
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<careo> TE is the same way. you don’t think, “I’m going to sit down and get to the TE endgame and call this map done”
<Vaygrim> GonzaloXavier: Is that a Redstone Arsenal sword in Killer Joe? I've never tried it before unfortunately.
<Vaygrim> GonzaloXavier: How much Nutrient Distillant is in it?
<GonzaloXavier> Hi Vaygrim o/. Yeah it is doesnt work with other swords either though.
<mDiyo> I have the same problem with TE and MFR
<GonzaloXavier> 1358 mB
<insaneau> i think it needs like >75%?
<Vaygrim> GonzaloXavier: I beleive it needs to be over 75% full yes
<mDiyo> TE at least has some machines to do things with.
<mDiyo> MFR you can make farms.
<insaneau> EnderIO can make farms
<GonzaloXavier> Alright then I'll blame tterrag who's supplying my nutrient e.e
<insaneau> and has machines
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<GonzaloXavier> Ty Vaygrim
<Vaygrim> mDiyo: Have you touched the Painting Machine.. at all?
<insaneau> and the vat?
<mDiyo> Vat yes, painting machine no.
<GonzaloXavier> Painting machine is really cool
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<Vaygrim> Okay then my next question mDiyo .. do you actually CARE to learn about the mod or are you just here to stir up grief?
<GonzaloXavier> basicly get any block or slab or pressure plate to look like any block you want
<mDiyo> The first one.
<mDiyo> I want something to do with the mod.
<Vaygrim> mDiyo: Okay cause you're coming across as a pretty big jerk-bag, reading through the back log.
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<insaneau> powered spawners that work while you're away.
<GonzaloXavier> only downside is that the painted blocks dont like carpenter slopes. Not Ender Io's fault though.
<Vaygrim> mDiyo: What do you mean 'you want something to do'? You want the mod to INSTRUCT you? You want it to be creative for you?
<mDiyo> No, I want to have a reason for playing with the mod.
<GonzaloXavier> mDiyo, just watch your friend's dire spotlight
<GonzaloXavier> Or watch vaygrim's
<mDiyo> Dire can go burn and die, thanks.
<GonzaloXavier> it's pretty good
<Vaygrim> mDiyo: If you're not compelled enough to explore the mod on it's own, and need to be g
<Vaygrim> 'guided'.. you're already beyond hope. Leave now.
<Vaygrim> We can't help you.
<Vaygrim> Ender IO is an invaluable set of tools, machines and resources.
<mDiyo> Okay, the mod has pipes and is otherwise not worth playing with.
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<Kodos> What a fucking asshole