[00:24:40] Demerlis > o7
[00:24:45] Tom Gerard > 07
[00:25:12] Demerlis > who are you and why are you making accusations at my members?! proof plz so I can take you seriously
[00:25:17] Demerlis > https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=211186
[00:27:48] Tom Gerard > My sources would not apprecaite being called out as such, and as my position I am not terribly interested in your affairs, the story of how he information was obtained is far more interesting, and fear inspriing... how far will people go to find spies?
[00:28:21] Demerlis > well, I'm questioning you, and based on whether you give me anything of substance, I may choose to continue
[00:28:32] Demerlis > however I'm mostly led to believe you picked a name out of a hat
[00:29:02] Demerlis > I make an attempt to know all my officers
[00:29:09] Demerlis > I have been tricked in the past
[00:29:16] Demerlis > but it happens
[00:30:05] Tom Gerard > You realize it is much more interesting if you actually get awoxed to me right? =)
[00:30:32] Demerlis > possibly
[00:31:22] Demerlis > and it's quite possible that you do have an alt in IG
[00:31:27] Tom Gerard > To have called out a spy and then have that spy by passed inspection and then pull off an epic feat would be a story worthy of going down in history.
[00:31:54] Tom Gerard > IG?
[00:32:04] Demerlis > imperial guardians
[00:33:21] Tom Gerard > Have not run across them before, I am a Provi resident and high sec mission runner, who pvps in RvB the source intentionally pulled me in to a channel to get my reaction and inspire me to post about the insane shit people do to out spies,
[00:33:58] Demerlis > well, it would be quite a story
[00:34:11] Demerlis > and it may happen yet
[00:35:03] Tom Gerard > For all we know this could be intended to take heat off another of your officers and we are all being played =)
[00:35:28] Tom Gerard > All you can do is segment power and reduce the potential for disaster.
[00:36:37] Demerlis > I would be more likely believe that
[00:36:50] Demerlis > like I said, I try to trust my officers
[00:37:04] Demerlis > if you are truly interested in the lengths people would go
[00:37:22] Demerlis > everything is fluff
[00:37:32] Demerlis > apis and interviews only take you so far
[00:37:38] Demerlis > in game mechanics are really the ones that matter most
[00:37:46] Demerlis > 1) no roles to untrusted members
[00:37:53] Demerlis > 2) remove corp from alliance
[00:40:34] Tom Gerard > I wish ya luck, but I won't get far calling out people who at this point seem legitimately concerned about corporate security, and specifically asked not to be mentioned. Plan for the worst case scenrio calculate your losses and move on, ditching new
[00:40:41] Tom Gerard > corp members because of rumor doesn't make much sense
[00:41:01] Tom Gerard > Can't expand w/o risk.
[00:41:30] Demerlis > that is always the case
[00:41:37] Demerlis > but those aspects make this game unfun >.<
[00:43:37] Tom Gerard > I agree which is why I made the post, and asked if I could publish the name
[00:45:24] Demerlis > well
[00:45:42] Kaylee Jakuard > who are you
[00:46:14] Demerlis > you published the name, at the very least you can speak to her as well
[00:46:30] Demerlis > can tell her what you told me if you wish
[00:46:44] Tom Gerard > Sure,
[00:47:33] Kaylee Jakuard > i have no idea who you are or how you got my name but that is bullshit i have never awoxed any of my corp members in any corp i have been apart of so what is your problem due
[00:48:04] Tom Gerard > http://pastebin.com/sr3GKLCm
[00:50:42] Kaylee Jakuard > the only corp members that are on my kills are from frig bashes and you can take your post down but you if got question ask them to the person don't talk shit about someone you have never even met onlestly that whats wrong with the world theese days
[00:52:04] Tom Gerard > Well, the intent was to call out a awoxer before damage could be done, since I don't know how this ends taking away the middle part of the story would reduce it's value to the audience.
[00:53:17] Tom Gerard > the good news is that nothing can be done to prevent you from awoxing without taking the risk of hurting you if innocent, so at this iterim step, all possiblites are on the table.
[00:55:43] Demerlis > i know you don't want to divulge your source
[00:55:59] Demerlis > however kaylee has had beef with a specific self-important alliance leader in the past
[00:56:08] Demerlis > <loc><url=showinfo:1376//215289264>DNLeviathan</url>
[00:56:26] Demerlis > if it is, you shouldn't have to feel bad by affirming ^.^
[00:56:34] Demerlis > as it will have been a gut feeling on kaylee's part
[00:56:54] Demerlis > if it wasn't, you can rest easy and simply say 'no'
[00:57:17] Kaylee Jakuard > is this coming from  <url=showinfo:1376//215289264>DNLeviathan</url> or  <url=showinfo:1376//351151942>Capt Sully</url> cuase if so maybe you talk to the other person before posting bullshit
[01:01:16] Tom Gerard > Because of the system of alts in this game is unchecked I don't have the foggiest idea of who was actually behind the keyboard, both were from a very well known alliance, and had characters several yearrs old, That was part of how I judged the integrity
[01:03:21] Kaylee Jakuard > well i am sorry but you can tell your alliance friend to come to the source and quit hidding behind his purse for all i care have a good night
[01:07:39] Tom Gerard > It would appear you have earned  <url=showinfo:1376//292661785>Demerlis</url>' trust, and as long as you don't violate his trust this becomes a dead issue and has already dropped off the first page of the C&P page. I trust my sources, and believe the spotlight as diffused any threat.
[01:08:24] Kaylee Jakuard > thank you i am greatful fly safe
[01:09:45] Demerlis > she's a wiley one
[01:09:58] Demerlis > of all the manginas in this game too, your source pointed to a rl chick
[01:10:05] Demerlis > rl wife of another one of my officers
[01:10:21] Demerlis > who has been friends with our ceo since 2008
[01:10:32] Demerlis > hence the "name out of a hat" comment
[01:10:38] Demerlis > trust is a hard thing to have in this game i agree
[01:10:45] Demerlis > but like you said, the age of a toon does have some meaning
[01:14:12] Tom Gerard > As long as those two officers are content I don't suspect any problems, but naturally if the opposite is true having two officers with a RL connection could do an incredible amount of damage
[01:15:18] Tom Gerard > CCP really needs to provide some method of protection, as you can see I am in my own corp... and I don't get into large alliances for this specific reason
[01:16:23] Demerlis > are you able to tell me what alliance the pilot who contact you was part of/
[01:17:06] Tom Gerard > no
[01:19:25] Demerlis > aight