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  1. [2014-12-09 6:36:24 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Why are you fucks so fucking bad at this?
  2. [2014-12-09 6:36:29 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Holy shit
  3. [2014-12-09 6:36:32 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I'm so fucking sick of this
  4. [2014-12-09 6:36:35 PM] empty: Why are you so good at killing the project?
  5. [2014-12-09 6:37:24 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Look in the mirror pal, i'm not the one who has been fucking mastrubating all day everytime somebody tried to get people tog ive input on the rules and disscuss them and then bitching like a fucking child everytime something was agreed on you didn't like
  6. [2014-12-09 6:37:27 PM] Maruno: Incidentally, the wiggle room thing has now been clarified on the wiki.
  7. [2014-12-09 6:37:40 PM] empty: I come in here, you're talking about something that I remember very well and you flip shit over me mentioning we haven't dictated the region change procedure yet that was not even remotely a priority
  8. [2014-12-09 6:37:44 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:37 PM] Maruno:
  9.  
  10. <<< Incidentally, the wiggle room thing has now been clarified on the wiki.Then the deadline should be reset just like last time
  11. [2014-12-09 6:37:48 PM] Kat :3: Majora, we aren't fortune tellers. We won't be able to catch every single word that may have variable defintiions.
  12. [2014-12-09 6:37:50 PM] Jabberwock xeno: The rules changed
  13. [2014-12-09 6:37:57 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:37 PM] Kat :3:
  14.  
  15. <<< Majora, we aren't fortune tellers. We won't be able to catch every single word that may have variable defintiions.BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING
  16. [2014-12-09 6:38:00 PM] Carson Daly: majora, would it make you feel better if people said "majora was right and we were wrong" before making changes that you had spotted early and then been ignored about?
  17.  
  18. i really don't understand what your goal with this argument is if not that
  19. [2014-12-09 6:38:01 PM] Jabberwock xeno: THIS ISN'T THAT FUCKINGN HARD
  20. [2014-12-09 6:38:02 PM] Maruno: They didn't change, idiot.
  21. [2014-12-09 6:38:20 PM] Jabberwock xeno: How fucking hard is it to read a sentance and understand what it means without conotations
  22. [2014-12-09 6:38:23 PM] Jabberwock xeno: jesus chirst
  23. [2014-12-09 6:38:24 PM] empty: Wait, Gun, Maruno? You saying you in fact did not both clearly state in understanding and agreement of 15 per side?
  24. [2014-12-09 6:38:33 PM] Orange Moose: [December 9, 2014 6:35 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  25.  
  26. <<< ow the fuck could you guys have overloooked thibecause we're not autistic : > )
  27. [2014-12-09 6:38:35 PM] Jabberwock xeno: if it's THAT difficult for you guys to do, then once again WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ME DO IT
  28. [2014-12-09 6:38:42 PM] Kat :3: yeah, I misunderstood empty
  29. [2014-12-09 6:38:43 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You've made this mistake so fucking often
  30. [2014-12-09 6:38:52 PM] Carson Daly: [December 9, 2014 6:38 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  31.  
  32. <<< How fucking hard is it to read a sentance and understand what it means without conotationsfor a lot of people, very hard.
  33. it's no different than when people say "how hard is it to read a sentence and understand the connotation of it" when you're being dense
  34. [2014-12-09 6:39:07 PM] Kat :3: Because we'd rather do this trial and error that attempt to work with you on maps any further.
  35. [2014-12-09 6:39:25 PM] empty: I find that very hard to understand. Overlooked in your case maybe. But I clearly remember asking maruno which of the two it was he was advocating and he responded 15 per side.
  36. [2014-12-09 6:39:38 PM] Maruno: [December 9, 2014 6:37 PM] Carson Daly:
  37.  
  38. <<< majora, would it make you feel better if people said "majora was right and we were wrong" before making changes that you had spotted early and then been ignored about?Majora IS right in this case. The wording was inadequate, since Majora misinterpreted it. But now that we want to fix it, Majora throws a tantrum. How can we win?
  39. [2014-12-09 6:39:38 PM] Kat :3: [December 9, 2014 6:38 PM] Carson Daly:
  40.  
  41. <<< it's no different than when people say "how hard is it to read a sentence and understand the connotation of it" when you're being denseI think this is very very important, Maj.
  42. [2014-12-09 6:39:42 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:39 PM] Kat :3:
  43.  
  44. <<< Because we'd rather do this trial and error that attempt to work with you on maps any further.And I'm saying that's bullshit because you ar projecting the damage you guys did yourself onto me and painting me as the boogeyman
  45. [2014-12-09 6:39:47 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I have not held up SHIT
  46. [2014-12-09 6:39:49 PM] Jabberwock xeno: you guys did
  47. [2014-12-09 6:40:01 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I have been trying to get you all to agree on objective wording since fucking spring
  48. [2014-12-09 6:40:13 PM] Jabberwock xeno: And you guys have fucked up or been lazy and not communicated every single time since
  49. [2014-12-09 6:40:24 PM] empty: This seems like an into mapchat to calmly resolve and to escape majora tantrum time
  50. [2014-12-09 6:40:28 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and when we did agree, you wnet back on your word, lied to me, kicked me out, then neglected to do your jobs
  51. [2014-12-09 6:40:33 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I'm sick of it
  52. [2014-12-09 6:40:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and I have every right o be angry
  53. [2014-12-09 6:40:45 PM] threetopsandahat: [December 9, 2014 6:35 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  54.  
  55. <<< How can you guys comtinue to dispute and ignore my input when I am CLEARLY better at this then you,[December 9, 2014 6:40 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  56.  
  57. <<< I have been trying to get you all to agree on objective wording since fucking springDo you want a medal?
  58. [2014-12-09 6:41:08 PM] Orange Moose: oh lordy
  59. [2014-12-09 6:41:16 PM] Maruno: [December 9, 2014 6:38 PM] empty:
  60.  
  61. <<< Wait, Gun, Maruno? You saying you in fact did not both clearly state in understanding and agreement of 15 per side?I was always under the impression that it was 15 per side (for a total of 30 per dimension) - a city, say, can spill over half a square into its surroundings (half a square being 15, and spilling in both east and west is 15+15=30). In fact, I think I helped to quantify it.
  62. [2014-12-09 6:41:17 PM] Jabberwock xeno: No, I want them to own up to their mistakes and fucking learn from them, and to use mt to their advantage since clearly I am better at it then they are
  63. [2014-12-09 6:41:19 PM] threetopsandahat: The "Majora Noticed a Problem First" medal?
  64. [2014-12-09 6:41:28 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:41 PM] Three Tops:
  65.  
  66. <<< The "Majora Noticed a Problem First" medal?THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS PROBLEM
  67. [2014-12-09 6:41:28 PM] Kat :3: 3tops oh dear
  68. [2014-12-09 6:41:33 PM] Jabberwock xeno: IT
  69. [2014-12-09 6:41:34 PM] Jabberwock xeno: IT EXISTED FROM MONTHS AGO
  70. [2014-12-09 6:41:34 PM] Kat :3: You don't want to get into the middle of this
  71. [2014-12-09 6:41:40 PM] Jabberwock xeno: IT'S WHAT SET IT OFF TO BEGIN WITH
  72. [2014-12-09 6:41:42 PM] Jabberwock xeno: THIS EXACT ISSE
  73. [2014-12-09 6:41:48 PM] Jabberwock xeno: WAS THE REASON WHY WE REDID IKT THE FIRST TIME
  74. [2014-12-09 6:41:50 PM] empty: Right, that's what I thought we did Maruno. Was it just Gun that didn't realize it?
  75. [2014-12-09 6:41:54 PM] Jabberwock xeno: HOW IN GODS NAME DID YOU FUCK IT UP AGAIN
  76. [2014-12-09 6:42:09 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I just don't fucking understand
  77. [2014-12-09 6:42:12 PM] Kat :3: I thought some other people said they misunderstood too, Empty
  78. [2014-12-09 6:42:16 PM] Kat :3: We can talk about it later
  79. [2014-12-09 6:42:16 PM] Orange Moose: THIS IS A NECESSARY WAY TO COMMUNICATE
  80. [2014-12-09 6:42:20 PM] threetopsandahat: There's a lot of "I"s in your posts, Majora. I get it, you noticed the problem first. They're trying to fix it. "They" apparenrtly being the people actually associated with mapmaking.
  81. [2014-12-09 6:42:22 PM] Jabberwock xeno: either you guys are fucking estupid beyond comprehension or you guys knwoingly broke it
  82. [2014-12-09 6:42:36 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:42 PM] Three Tops:
  83.  
  84. <<< There's a lot of "I"s in your posts, Majora. I get it, you noticed the problem first. They're trying to fix it. "They" apparenrtly being the people actually associated with mapmaking.No, MARUNO noticed it first
  85. [2014-12-09 6:42:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: months ago
  86. [2014-12-09 6:42:43 PM] threetopsandahat: Good, now they're trying to fix it.
  87. [2014-12-09 6:42:47 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and we fucking threw out the system and went back over it because he noticed it
  88. [2014-12-09 6:42:51 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and they were supposed to fix it then
  89. [2014-12-09 6:42:56 PM] Orange Moose: t-too based for words
  90. [2014-12-09 6:42:56 PM] Jabberwock xeno: that was the entire point
  91. [2014-12-09 6:42:59 PM] empty: So into mapchat?
  92. [2014-12-09 6:43:02 PM] Jabberwock xeno: No
  93. [2014-12-09 6:43:03 PM] Jabberwock xeno: empty
  94. [2014-12-09 6:43:13 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You guys have yet to address my points
  95. [2014-12-09 6:43:16 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I have addressed yours
  96. [2014-12-09 6:43:17 PM] threetopsandahat: Is Majora part of the mapmaking process at all?
  97. [2014-12-09 6:43:21 PM] threetopsandahat: In any way?
  98. [2014-12-09 6:43:21 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I used to be
  99. [2014-12-09 6:43:22 PM] Orange Moose: not anymore no
  100. [2014-12-09 6:43:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: but they kicked me out because I dared to look over the process like they said I would
  101. [2014-12-09 6:43:41 PM] threetopsandahat: Oh, then stop holding up what they're trying to make progress on. This would be like me holding up plot.
  102. [2014-12-09 6:43:52 PM] Orange Moose: Majora you know full well it's this sort of attitude that got you booted.
  103. [2014-12-09 6:43:56 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:43 PM] Three Tops:
  104.  
  105. <<< Oh, then stop holding up what they're trying to make progress on. This would be like me holding up plot.You don't know fucking anything
  106. [2014-12-09 6:43:57 PM] Jabberwock xeno: at all
  107. [2014-12-09 6:44:01 PM] Jabberwock xeno: they are holding it up
  108. [2014-12-09 6:44:02 PM] Jabberwock xeno: not me
  109. [2014-12-09 6:44:06 PM] Jabberwock xeno: they've done it since febuary
  110. [2014-12-09 6:44:18 PM] Jabberwock xeno: read http://pastebin.com/TkdAnPV6
  111. [2014-12-09 6:44:24 PM] Orange Moose: We've been working on maps, not holding anything up.
  112. [2014-12-09 6:44:37 PM] threetopsandahat: I know they're trying to fix a problem they noticed in their rules, and for some reason you keep posting about how it was a known issue and that you're so much better than them at what they do.
  113. [2014-12-09 6:44:42 PM] empty: I have no answer to your brought up points at how you're so much fucking better than us at this, we intentionally fucked something up and that you should be doing it. If people want to actually work on this issue in here that's fine but I advise ignoring people that don't want to help.
  114. [2014-12-09 6:44:48 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:44 PM] Three Tops:
  115.  
  116. <<< I know they're trying to fix a problem they noticed in their rules, and for some reason you keep posting about how it was a known issue and that you're so much better than them at what they do.No, they DIDN'T FIX IT
  117. [2014-12-09 6:44:54 PM] Jabberwock xeno: AFTER THEY ALREADY KNEW ABOUT IT
  118. [2014-12-09 6:44:58 PM] Jabberwock xeno: AFTER WE HAD TO START OVER
  119. [2014-12-09 6:44:59 PM] Orange Moose: Majora
  120. [2014-12-09 6:45:02 PM] threetopsandahat: THEY"RE TRYING TO FIX IT RIGHT NOW
  121. [2014-12-09 6:45:02 PM] Orange Moose: it's fixed
  122. [2014-12-09 6:45:02 PM] Jabberwock xeno: EPSFFICALLY TO FIX THIS ONE ISSUE
  123. [2014-12-09 6:45:02 PM] Orange Moose: it's done
  124. [2014-12-09 6:45:07 PM] Orange Moose: shit's over
  125. [2014-12-09 6:45:09 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You don't fucking understand
  126. [2014-12-09 6:45:11 PM] threetopsandahat: CAPS LOCK
  127. [2014-12-09 6:45:11 PM] Maruno: [December 9, 2014 6:41 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  128.  
  129. <<< No, I want them to own up to their mistakes and fucking learn from them, and to use mt to their advantage since clearly I am better at it then they areI accept full responsibility for the exact wording used as a result of our reviews of the wiki pages, even though it was run past all of MapChat. It was I who wrote down the results of our discussions on the wiki. My only excuses are that it was late for me at the time, and that I'd been writing a lot at the same time as following the discussion, so not every single syllable would have been perfect.
  130. [2014-12-09 6:45:27 PM] Jabberwock xeno: How many people are in mapchat
  131. [2014-12-09 6:45:32 PM] empty: 23
  132. [2014-12-09 6:45:38 PM] Orange Moose: hue, 3tops you held down shift didn't you
  133. [2014-12-09 6:45:39 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You, empty, numbers, sketcher, gun, OJ, swim, QB
  134. [2014-12-09 6:45:42 PM] empty: 23
  135. [2014-12-09 6:45:42 PM] Jabberwock xeno: NONE OF YOU
  136. [2014-12-09 6:45:43 PM | Edited 6:45:45 PM] Orange Moose: you didn't capslock at all
  137. [2014-12-09 6:45:45 PM] Jabberwock xeno: NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU
  138. [2014-12-09 6:45:48 PM] Jabberwock xeno: noticed this
  139. [2014-12-09 6:45:55 PM] Jabberwock xeno: This is not your fault maruno
  140. [2014-12-09 6:45:58 PM] Jabberwock xeno: this is ALL of your faults
  141. [2014-12-09 6:46:13 PM] Carson Daly: majora
  142. [2014-12-09 6:46:14 PM] Carson Daly: gerat
  143. [2014-12-09 6:46:14 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You guys have done this so much
  144. [2014-12-09 6:46:17 PM] Carson Daly: it's all of their faults
  145. [2014-12-09 6:46:17 PM] Jabberwock xeno: so fucking much
  146. [2014-12-09 6:46:18 PM] Carson Daly: now what
  147. [2014-12-09 6:46:18 PM] Jabberwock xeno: for months
  148. [2014-12-09 6:46:25 PM] Jabberwock xeno: And you guys haven't learned from it at all
  149. [2014-12-09 6:46:28 PM] Jabberwock xeno: despite my best efforts
  150. [2014-12-09 6:46:31 PM] Orange Moose: It's our faults, and now it's fixed. Can we go back to being awful now?
  151. [2014-12-09 6:46:36 PM] threetopsandahat: [December 9, 2014 6:45 PM] Orange Moose:
  152.  
  153. <<< hue, 3tops you held down shift didn't you(I totally did)
  154. [2014-12-09 6:46:41 PM] Jabberwock xeno: 3tops, read the pastebin
  155. [2014-12-09 6:46:44 PM] empty: Hey, Maruno can you PM me what he's rambling about because either he is so ignorant and angry that he's lost touch with reality or I don't know what this is about?
  156. [2014-12-09 6:47:04 PM] Carson Daly: majora, can you please state your goal as clearly and concisely as possible? i assume if i'm unclear on it, everyone else is also
  157. [2014-12-09 6:47:12 PM] Jabberwock xeno: My goal?
  158. [2014-12-09 6:47:25 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Goal for what? This particular convo? With the map plan?
  159. [2014-12-09 6:47:27 PM] Carson Daly: why are you having this argument? what is your end-game once they've "owned up to it"
  160. [2014-12-09 6:49:57 PM] swimapper: >this is still going
  161. c'mon guys
  162. [2014-12-09 6:50:26 PM] empty: swim away swim
  163. [2014-12-09 6:50:28 PM] Jabberwock xeno: To get them to fucking realize and think about how they fucked up, what they did wrong, and how they could avoid it in the future so this doesn't happen again, and to point out that I realized this in less then 5 seconds of skimming the document, and clearly I am a lot betrer suited to wording this shit or at least looking over their wording for them.
  164.  
  165. I don't think you fucking understand how fucking pissed off I am right now. I have been blamed for their incpmpwetence with mapping and holding stuff up from the start of this year, and I have had to suffer for their mistakes.
  166.  
  167. This EXACT issue with the map plan was the reason why we went back over it a month or two ago, with the intent that every nsingle line would be gone over so that all of us could identify and go over any misunderstandings or concerns priopr to reaching an agreement again, so we wouldn't have to change it unless someting new happened.
  168.  
  169. I don't know why you guys say "Oh, that's not possbile", when it's TOTALLY fucking possible.
  170. [2014-12-09 6:50:52 PM] Jabberwock xeno: If I had to guess, I'd wager half of you never even bothered to read hat line
  171. [2014-12-09 6:50:56 PM] Jabberwock xeno: or think about what it meant
  172. [2014-12-09 6:51:07 PM] Carson Daly: [December 9, 2014 6:50 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  173.  
  174. <<< To get them to fucking realize and think about how they fucked up, what they did wrong, and how they could avoid it in the future so this doesn't happen again, and to point out that I realized this in less then 5 seconds of skimming the document, and clearly I am a lot betrer suited to wording this shit or at least looking over their wording for them.ok, so they've now realized this and acknowledged how and why they fucked up
  175. [2014-12-09 6:51:09 PM] Carson Daly: what's the next step
  176. [2014-12-09 6:51:15 PM] Jabberwock xeno: this could have easily been avoided, and we speffically took action to avoid this EXACT line
  177. [2014-12-09 6:51:22 PM] Carson Daly: right, we get that
  178. [2014-12-09 6:51:25 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:51 PM] Carson Daly:
  179.  
  180. <<< ok, so they've now realized this and acknowledged how and why they fucked upNo
  181. [2014-12-09 6:51:27 PM] Jabberwock xeno: they have not
  182. [2014-12-09 6:51:38 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Empty, did you read the plan
  183. [2014-12-09 6:51:40 PM] Jabberwock xeno: yes or no
  184. [2014-12-09 6:51:52 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Did you read that paragraoh
  185. [2014-12-09 6:51:58 PM] Carson Daly: i feel kind of like when i would get in trouble with my parents and they'd say something like "if you were really sorry, you wouldn't have done it in the first place" and then i'm just left there like "ok well i did do it, but i am also sorry. so now what"
  186. [2014-12-09 6:52:42 PM] Kat :3: I sure do love being scolded like a child.
  187. [2014-12-09 6:52:43 PM] empty: Majora, we fucked up. I am so sorry to you and to Carson and to Pawter and Anon and everybody who has any emotionally invest interest in the project. We harmed you on a sub-physical level and we will work to regain your trust and respect as a ruined institution of upholded justice and sense.
  188. [2014-12-09 6:52:46 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:51 PM] Carson Daly:
  189.  
  190. <<< i feel kind of like when i would get in trouble with my parents and they'd say something like "if you were really sorry, you wouldn't have done it in the first place" and then i'm just left there like "ok well i did do it, but i am also sorry. so now what"This is the equalivent of a parent telling you to go outside to lock the gate, and instead you went outside, threw a party, then forgot to lock the gate, like 5 times in a row
  191. [2014-12-09 6:53:00 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:52 PM] Kat :3:
  192.  
  193. <<< I sure do love being scolded like a child.Then how else should I scold you
  194. [2014-12-09 6:53:01 PM] Carson Daly: [December 9, 2014 6:52 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  195.  
  196. <<< This is the equalivent of a parent telling you to go outside to lock the gate, and instead you went outside, threw a party, then forgot to lock the gate, like 5 times in a rowok, so now what
  197. [2014-12-09 6:53:03 PM] Carson Daly: you're gonna disown me?
  198. [2014-12-09 6:53:07 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I
  199. [2014-12-09 6:53:15 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I'm like at a fucking loss here
  200. [2014-12-09 6:53:15 PM] Kat :3: Because Majora is our loving parent who wants to take care of us weak and immature children
  201. [2014-12-09 6:53:20 PM] Jabberwock xeno: as to how you guys overlooked this
  202. [2014-12-09 6:53:24 PM] Jabberwock xeno: it's just unfathomable
  203. [2014-12-09 6:53:27 PM] Carson Daly: majora, that doesn't matter anymore
  204. [2014-12-09 6:53:29 PM] Jabberwock xeno: It DOES
  205. [2014-12-09 6:53:32 PM] Jabberwock xeno: HOW DOES IT NOT
  206. [2014-12-09 6:53:38 PM] Carson Daly: we all know how we got here
  207. [2014-12-09 6:53:39 PM] Jabberwock xeno: THIS HAS HAPPENED LIKE 30 ITMES BEFORE
  208. [2014-12-09 6:53:39 PM] Carson Daly: we need to know where to go from here
  209. [2014-12-09 6:53:44 PM] Jabberwock xeno: AND I'VE BEEN BLAMED FOR IT EVERY TIME
  210. [2014-12-09 6:53:46 PM] Carson Daly: they've acknowledged that you were right and they were wrong
  211. [2014-12-09 6:53:48 PM] Carson Daly: now what
  212. [2014-12-09 6:53:48 PM] Jabberwock xeno: "Oh, it
  213. [2014-12-09 6:53:49 PM] Carson Daly: what do you want from them
  214. [2014-12-09 6:53:59 PM] Carson Daly: and "i want them not to make this mistake in the future" is not a valid response
  215. [2014-12-09 6:54:06 PM] Carson Daly: because that's not an active thing that happens right now
  216. [2014-12-09 6:54:21 PM] Jabberwock xeno: "Oh it's no biggie we've burned the house down for the 5 time in a row, but it won't happen again so there's no point in figuring out how it burned down or what steps could be taken to prevent it from happening again"
  217. [2014-12-09 6:54:38 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Clash, don't even fucking bother
  218. [2014-12-09 6:54:47 PM] Jabberwock xeno: you haven't talked to me or been involved in months
  219. [2014-12-09 6:54:50 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I don't want to hear it
  220. [2014-12-09 6:54:57 PM] empty: Majora, did you read my apology. I think reading my apology would help. I'm being really sincere here. Please read it.
  221. [2014-12-09 6:54:59 PM] Carson Daly: they recognize what's happened. they've been clear that from their perspective, the negative of working with you and avoiding these problems far outweighs the negative of dealing with the problems as they arise
  222. [2014-12-09 6:55:03 PM] Carson Daly: so now what
  223. [2014-12-09 6:55:08 PM] CataclysmicClash: Why not instead of calling them rules you call them guidelines? That way when they are not followed and changed, some people don't get so upset. Because "breaking and changing rules" sounds a lot worse then "breaking and changing guidlines"
  224. [2014-12-09 6:55:21 PM] Orange Moose: [December 9, 2014 6:50 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  225.  
  226. <<< I have been blamed for their incpmpwetence with mapping and holding stuff upMapchat with majora= problem found, several weeks trying to fix it
  227. Mapchat without majora = problem found, fixed
  228. [2014-12-09 6:55:32 PM] mitchell numbers: ^
  229. [2014-12-09 6:55:54 PM] Jabberwock xeno: test
  230. [2014-12-09 6:55:56 PM] Orange Moose: sorry, that's mean
  231. [2014-12-09 6:55:59 PM] Orange Moose: but it is accurate
  232. [2014-12-09 6:56:06 PM] musicmagician76: Maj
  233. [2014-12-09 6:56:12 PM] musicmagician76: I will admit you're right
  234. [2014-12-09 6:56:16 PM] musicmagician76: but you're like that guy from the office
  235. [2014-12-09 6:56:23 PM] Carson Daly: i still don't really understand your end-game here majora. you want them to own up to not being as good at planning as you are, and to not having as good of foresight as you have.
  236.  
  237. so now that that's happened, what exactly do you still want from them? to sit there living with their mistakes even though everyone knows we'd be better off fixing them?
  238. [2014-12-09 6:56:24 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:54 PM] empty:
  239.  
  240. <<< Majora, did you read my apology. I think reading my apology would help. I'm being really sincere here. Please read it.I did not, please quote it to me
  241. [2014-12-09 6:56:37 PM] musicmagician76: that wants the MC to get fired because he made a white lie
  242. [2014-12-09 6:56:39 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:55 PM] Carson Daly:
  243.  
  244. <<< they've been clear that from their perspective, the negative of working with you and avoiding these problems far outweighs the negative of dealing with the problems as they ariseAnd i'm saying this is wrong
  245. [2014-12-09 6:56:54 PM] Orange Moose: meow
  246. [2014-12-09 6:56:55 PM] CataclysmicClash: Dwight
  247. [2014-12-09 6:57:05 PM] Carson Daly: you are unable to objectively quantify the negative of working with yourself, so it doesn't matter if you think it's wrong or not
  248. [2014-12-09 6:57:08 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:56 PM] Nimble:
  249.  
  250. <<< that wants the MC to get fired because he made a white lieThe MC in this cause has made a bunch of white lies that''s led to other people being fired
  251. [2014-12-09 6:57:23 PM] empty: [December 9, 2014 6:52 PM] empty:
  252.  
  253. <<< Majora, we fucked up. I am so sorry to you and to Carson and to Pawter and Anon and everybody who has any emotionally invest interest in the project. We harmed you on a sub-physical level and we will work to regain your trust and respect as a ruined institution of upholded justice and sense.Thank you for being mature here. Hopefully we can work toward acceptable levels of well operation.
  254. [2014-12-09 6:57:36 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Oh, thqt
  255. [2014-12-09 6:57:38 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I saw that
  256. [2014-12-09 6:57:49 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I dimissed it because I assumed it was sarcasm
  257. [2014-12-09 6:58:05 PM | Edited 6:58:10 PM] mitchell numbers: dissmissing what we say, and say we ignore you majora
  258. [2014-12-09 6:58:21 PM] Orange Moose: well that is pretty clearly sarcasm
  259. [2014-12-09 6:58:29 PM] empty: Me? Sarcasm, I'm offended. Disregarding what I say because of a vendetta is not good forsight.
  260. [2014-12-09 6:58:40 PM] mitchell numbers: for someone who is autistic isn't it presumptious to assume we aren't serious
  261. [2014-12-09 6:59:29 PM] Maruno: [December 9, 2014 6:50 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  262.  
  263. <<< clearly I am a lot betrer suited to wording this shit or at least looking over their wording for them.(I'm 60 messages behind, but...) you've had weeks to do this.
  264. [2014-12-09 6:59:47 PM] musicmagician76: I just
  265.  
  266. look
  267.  
  268. I don't want you to be angry
  269.  
  270. sure, they fucked up
  271.  
  272. sure, several times
  273.  
  274. but if you really do have genuine emotional investment in this project you would forgive them
  275.  
  276. because at the end of the day we're all still here trying to get this done even if we end up hating each other
  277.  
  278. because we all love our nest egg that is gen /vp/
  279.  
  280. I just want you to step outside for a moment, yell your lungs out, and then walk back in
  281.  
  282. is that so much to ask for
  283. [2014-12-09 6:59:56 PM] musicmagician76: yes,
  284. [2014-12-09 7:00:01 PM] musicmagician76: this also implies second
  285. [2014-12-09 7:00:02 PM] musicmagician76: third
  286. [2014-12-09 7:00:03 PM] musicmagician76: fourth
  287. [2014-12-09 7:00:08 PM] Orange Moose: unnecessary spacing dude
  288. [2014-12-09 7:00:12 PM] musicmagician76: twentieth chances
  289. [2014-12-09 7:00:14 PM] musicmagician76: yeah, my b
  290. [2014-12-09 7:00:33 PM] musicmagician76: I just didn't want any of it to get lost so I just compiled it all together
  291. [2014-12-09 7:00:40 PM] Orange Moose: fair enough
  292. [2014-12-09 7:00:45 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:56 PM] Carson Daly:
  293.  
  294. <<< i still don't really understand your end-game here majora. you want them to own up to not being as good at planning as you are, and to not having as good of foresight as you have.
  295.  
  296. so now that that's happened, what exactly do you still want from them? to sit there living with their mistakes even though everyone knows we'd be better off fixing them?1. I want to know how this happened, because I just cannot comprehend this happening unless it was done on purpose.
  297.  
  298. 2. I want people to think about what they could have done differently to avoid this
  299.  
  300. 3. I want to know why gun, swim, and OJ changed their minds about dronia's exit issues
  301.  
  302. 4. I want us to figure out in general how we can prevent having to change the rules every time we do a check and having to reset the check submissions over again due to "fixing" the rules
  303.  
  304. 5. I want us to disscuss a better way for you guys to allow me to do what I do best and look over stuff for wording issues, as well as what is going to happen from here with the curent ehceck and my issues that were gone over inadquetedly, and the ones that haven't been gone over yet.
  305. [2014-12-09 7:00:57 PM] Orange Moose: [December 9, 2014 7:00 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  306.  
  307. <<< 3. I want to know why gun, swim, and OJ changed their minds about dronia's exit issuesI was payed off.
  308. [2014-12-09 7:01:22 PM] Orange Moose: anyway I haven't changed my mind about dronia's exit
  309. [2014-12-09 7:01:24 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 6:59 PM] Nimble:
  310.  
  311. <<< you would forgive themI have, so many times. I am pretty fucking forgiving, but they have been anything but to me
  312. [2014-12-09 7:01:29 PM] empty: We got Gun a giftcard to a local brewery
  313. [2014-12-09 7:01:33 PM] Orange Moose: I still believe it should be where it's supposed to be
  314. [2014-12-09 7:01:45 PM] Orange Moose: but I agree that the region map should be allowed to be changed if people want it to be
  315. [2014-12-09 7:02:20 PM] Carson Daly: ok, those all seem like reasonable requests, but those are also not actually concrete things, so there's no need to hold up any other work while waiting to talk those things out.
  316.  
  317. with regards to the specific subject at hand, it seems like you're fine with the rules being 'clarified' as necessary and the map surveying continuing as planned (ie. you aren't going to sit here demanding that maps be invalidated still)
  318. [2014-12-09 7:02:31 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:02 PM] Carson Daly:
  319.  
  320. <<< , so there's no need to hold up any other work while waiting to talk those things out.Explain what you mean by this
  321. [2014-12-09 7:02:46 PM] Nimble: over time ideas change maj, and I'm sure that just goes beyond your limits of thinking when it comes to conceptual design and then thinking over said design over time
  322. [2014-12-09 7:03:07 PM] Carson Daly: this entire conversation started because you spontaneously said "these 2 maps need to be invalidated"
  323. i just assumed that was connected to some concrete mapmaking/map surveying in the near future?
  324. [2014-12-09 7:03:18 PM] empty: Never is
  325. [2014-12-09 7:03:34 PM] Nimble: not saying you're stupid
  326. just saying that everything ages with time and our ability and privilege to adapt to it isn't universal but it's rational
  327. [2014-12-09 7:03:45 PM | Edited 7:04:03 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:02 PM] Carson Daly:
  328.  
  329. <<< with regards to the specific subject at hand, it seems like you're fine with the rules being 'clarified' as necessary and the map surveying continuing as planned (ie. you aren't going to sit here demanding that maps be invalidated still)No, I am not fine with it.
  330.  
  331. I have grave issues with a lot of the plan as a whole, and even putting that aside, I do not agree that this particula rissue should be handled in the way they want it to be, though I do agree that it should be possible to do what they want in certain circumstances.
  332.  
  333. Finally, since we previously stopped submissions and started them over last time the rules weere changed, I expect that to be done this time as wel.
  334. [2014-12-09 7:04:15 PM] mitchell numbers: rules weren't changed
  335. [2014-12-09 7:04:29 PM] mitchell numbers: not for anyone who actaully made a map
  336. [2014-12-09 7:04:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:03 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  337.  
  338. <<< I do not agree that this particula rissue should be handled in the way they want it to be, though I do agree that it should be possible to do what they want in certain circumstances.Hence why I want to hear why OJ, gun, and swim switched sides, in case they realized something that I wasn't around to hear
  339. [2014-12-09 7:04:43 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:04 PM] mitchell numbers:
  340.  
  341. <<< rules weren't changed
  342. not for anyone who actaully made a map?
  343. [2014-12-09 7:04:50 PM] Carson Daly: i don't mean in general, i mean with regards to these 2 specific maps.
  344. are you content with the fact that the rules have now been clarified, or are you going to push for that change to be undone and the maps to be invalidated?
  345. [2014-12-09 7:05:16 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I'm sorry I lost my shit, but I think that the majority of you, or at least carson, gun, nimble, and maruno can apperciate why this set me off so much, even if it was excessive
  346. [2014-12-09 7:05:31 PM] Jabberwock xeno: 3tops, did you read the pastebin
  347. [2014-12-09 7:05:39 PM] threetopsandahat: Which pastebin?
  348. [2014-12-09 7:05:48 PM] CataclysmicClash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFwUcEwD4l4
  349. [2014-12-09 7:05:51 PM] Jabberwock xeno: ...the one I linked to you to read so you would have the context of this
  350. [2014-12-09 7:06:06 PM] threetopsandahat: I don't have a link to anything.
  351. [2014-12-09 7:06:13 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:04 PM] Carson Daly:
  352.  
  353. <<< i mean with regards to these 2 specific maps.
  354. are you content with the fact that the rules have now been clarified, or are you going to push for that change to be undone and the maps to be invalidated?[December 9, 2014 7:03 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  355.  
  356. <<< I do not agree that this particula rissue should be handled in the way they want it to be, though I do agree that it should be possible to do what they want in certain circumstances.[December 9, 2014 7:03 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  357.  
  358. <<< Finally, since we previously stopped submissions and started them over last time the rules weere changed, I expect that to be done this time as wel.
  359. [2014-12-09 7:06:15 PM] threetopsandahat: Might've been lost in the walls-o-text.
  360. [2014-12-09 7:06:19 PM] Jabberwock xeno: That said carson
  361. [2014-12-09 7:06:33 PM] CataclysmicClash: http://pastebin.com/TkdAnPV6
  362. [2014-12-09 7:06:46 PM] empty: Yay, another month of not a single map being made!
  363. [2014-12-09 7:06:55 PM] Kat :3: [December 9, 2014 7:01 PM] empty:
  364.  
  365. <<< We got Gun a giftcard to a local brewerywhere's my gift card you fukken swindlers
  366. [2014-12-09 7:07:06 PM] Orange Moose: it's in the mail
  367. [2014-12-09 7:07:20 PM] Kat :3: >:c
  368. [2014-12-09 7:07:27 PM] CataclysmicClash: [December 9, 2014 7:07 PM] Kat :3:
  369.  
  370. <<< where's my gift card you fukken swindlersMaybe you shoudln't lie to moot while posting!
  371. [2014-12-09 7:07:29 PM] mitchell numbers: you already drank all you beer, passed out and forgot you drank it
  372. [2014-12-09 7:07:30 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I do not think it is worth me argueing over this particular issue and it being changed or whatever now, and instead I should do it with the rest of my list.
  373.  
  374. My primary concern as far as what happens with those 2 maps now at this moment is enduring the deadline starts over as it did last time, though I still expect
  375.  
  376. [December 9, 2014 7:00 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  377.  
  378. <<< 1. I want to know how this happened, because I just cannot comprehend this happening unless it was done on purpose.
  379.  
  380. 2. I want people to think about what they could have done differently to avoid this
  381.  
  382. 3. I want to know why gun, swim, and OJ changed their minds about dronia's exit issues
  383.  
  384. 4. I want us to figure out in general how we can prevent having to change the rules every time we do a check and having to reset the check submissions over again due to "fixing" the rules
  385.  
  386. 5. I want us to disscuss a better way for you guys to allow me to do what I do best and look over stuff for wording issues, as well as what is going to happen from here with the curent ehceck and my issues that were gone over inadquetedly, and the ones that haven't been gone over yet.to be done
  387. [2014-12-09 7:07:33 PM] Kat :3: sh-shut up clash
  388. [2014-12-09 7:07:58 PM] Orange Moose: >life time supply of beer
  389. [2014-12-09 7:08:04 PM] Orange Moose: >gun drinks it in an afternoon
  390. [2014-12-09 7:08:12 PM] Carson Daly: mapchat people, are you content with resetting the submission deadline in accordance with previous behavior RE: changing rules/switching deadlines?
  391. [2014-12-09 7:08:23 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:07 PM] Orange Moose:
  392.  
  393. <<< >life time supply of beer
  394. >gun drinks it in an afternoonLocal Moose Friend, kick OJ for talking about off topic stuff in on topic chat
  395. [2014-12-09 7:08:24 PM] empty: no
  396. [2014-12-09 7:08:35 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:08 PM] empty:
  397.  
  398. <<< noI honestly don't care what you think
  399. [2014-12-09 7:08:40 PM] empty: Same here
  400. [2014-12-09 7:08:45 PM] Orange Moose: hue
  401. [2014-12-09 7:08:51 PM] CataclysmicClash: People actiully get kicked for not talking about stuff on topic in here?
  402. [2014-12-09 7:08:52 PM] Nimble: [December 9, 2014 7:05 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  403.  
  404. <<< I'm sorry I lost my shit, but I think that the majority of you, or at least carson, gun, nimble, and maruno can apperciate why this set me off so much, even if it was excessiveI can understand but when something like this angers me to the point of irrational action I understand that I need to calm down.
  405.  
  406. I've said it a million times before maj, you gotta control it.
  407.  
  408. I'm going to go, I have a dinner with my family
  409. [2014-12-09 7:08:53 PM] CataclysmicClash: what
  410. [2014-12-09 7:08:57 PM | Edited 7:09:01 PM] mitchell numbers: majora, the rules changes majorly fundmentally and you never caught on to the implications. i will discuss the change with you in IM so you can understand where the fundemental change is. that should clear you up from the old rules mindset
  411. [2014-12-09 7:09:09 PM] Orange Moose: clash, majora is just mad I forced him to stop talking about this shit in off-topic chat
  412. [2014-12-09 7:09:12 PM] Carson Daly: ok i need to leave now, but it sounds like the conversation here now needs to be on whether or not the deadline for maps should be restarded and why it should or shouldn't
  413. [2014-12-09 7:09:14 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:08 PM] CataclysmicClash:
  414.  
  415. <<< People actiully get kicked for not talking about stuff on topic in here?It was a stab at him for something he did in off topic chat, clash, I wasn't being serious
  416. [2014-12-09 7:09:24 PM] Carson Daly: if it gets too salty, remember that that's what you're supposed to be discussing
  417. [2014-12-09 7:09:25 PM] empty: Clash, there's a fun time chat if you want to be added there
  418. [2014-12-09 7:09:25 PM] Carson Daly: l8r
  419. [2014-12-09 7:09:27 PM] Kat :3: 1. this was explained. Allistic people do not think in purely literal terms. We make mistakes.
  420. 2. Nothing.
  421. 3. I don't remember. i just conceded cause it was clear more people in the debated wanted it the other way and I'm not a mapper
  422. 4. It's going to happen, sorry.
  423. 5. You have to convince people to stop hating your presence in order to do that
  424. [2014-12-09 7:09:49 PM] CataclysmicClash: I like fun time better then yell time, I can't keep up with so much posting
  425. [2014-12-09 7:11:26 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:09 PM] Kat :3:
  426.  
  427. <<< 1. this was explained. Allistic people do not think in purely literal terms. We make mistakes.No, it wasn't explained, not in the level of detail I am asking.
  428.  
  429. [December 9, 2014 7:09 PM] Kat :3:
  430.  
  431. <<< 2. Nothing. That's wrong.
  432.  
  433. [December 9, 2014 7:09 PM] Kat :3:
  434.  
  435. <<< 3. I don't remember. i just conceded cause it was clear more people in the debated wanted it the other way and I'm not a mappePlease find out.
  436.  
  437. [December 9, 2014 7:09 PM] Kat :3:
  438.  
  439. <<< 4. It's going to happen, sorry.It doesn't have to. Once again, this could very, ver, very easily be avoided
  440.  
  441. [December 9, 2014 7:09 PM] Kat :3:
  442.  
  443. <<< 5. You have to convince people to stop hating your presence in order to do thatI think me being hated ia a lot less of a big deal then you all's incompetence
  444. [2014-12-09 7:11:47 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I wasn't asking for short answers gun
  445. [2014-12-09 7:11:50 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I want an actual disscusion
  446. [2014-12-09 7:11:53 PM] Jabberwock xeno: a thought out one
  447. [2014-12-09 7:11:57 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I want this to be productive
  448. [2014-12-09 7:12:04 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Let's use our fucking heads for once
  449. [2014-12-09 7:12:06 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and THINK
  450. [2014-12-09 7:12:20 PM] Maruno: [December 9, 2014 7:11 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  451.  
  452. <<< I think me being hated ia a lot less of a big deal then you all's incompetenceCall us incompetent some more, that won't make us dislike you further.
  453. [2014-12-09 7:12:30 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Do you disagree?
  454. [2014-12-09 7:12:32 PM] Kat :3: Yes.
  455. [2014-12-09 7:12:50 PM] mitchell numbers: think about what majora?
  456. [2014-12-09 7:12:55 PM] Kat :3: Anyways half your list was already answered in the span of this conversation.
  457. [2014-12-09 7:12:57 PM | Edited 7:13:03 PM] mitchell numbers: what arae you trying to be productive about?
  458. [2014-12-09 7:13:03 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You disagree that you guys have made a lot of mistakes and that I don't have a better track record with with this type of wording sutff and being able to identify problems?
  459. [2014-12-09 7:13:05 PM] threetopsandahat: This pastebin is written so personally, not what I was expecting.
  460. [2014-12-09 7:13:07 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:12 PM] Kat :3:
  461.  
  462. <<< Anyways half your list was already answered in the span of this conversation.it really wasn't
  463. [2014-12-09 7:13:19 PM] Kat :3: Mistakes do not mean incompetent.
  464. [2014-12-09 7:13:26 PM] Kat :3: I'm annoyed you think that is the case.
  465. [2014-12-09 7:13:47 PM] Jabberwock xeno: So if a person whose job is to fix cars ends up not fixing them right over and over again
  466. [2014-12-09 7:13:57 PM] Jabberwock xeno: they aren't incompetent at fixing cars?
  467. [2014-12-09 7:14:23 PM] empty: Anybody up for discussing non-this on topic survey stuff?
  468. [2014-12-09 7:14:25 PM] Kat :3: Your analogies are weak and incomplete.
  469. [2014-12-09 7:14:27 PM] Orange Moose: >mapping is our job
  470. [2014-12-09 7:14:36 PM] Kat :3: But keep trying.
  471. [2014-12-09 7:14:39 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:14 PM] Kat :3:
  472.  
  473. <<< Your analogies are weak and incomplete.how so
  474. [2014-12-09 7:14:43 PM] Orange Moose: oh lordy
  475. [2014-12-09 7:14:45 PM] Orange Moose: that tone
  476. [2014-12-09 7:14:50 PM] Orange Moose: majora you've even managed to annoy gun
  477. [2014-12-09 7:14:52 PM] Orange Moose: run nigga
  478. [2014-12-09 7:15:18 PM] Kat :3: because that hardly captures the degree of the mistakes or accurate describes the situation
  479. [2014-12-09 7:17:14 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:15 PM] Kat :3:
  480.  
  481. <<< because that hardly captures the degree of the mistakes or accurate describes the situationI'm not understanding. The situation is that you guys have repeatedly been unable to, failed, or intentionally did not do the things with planning and communicating guidlines wiht maps since spring, and each mistake I anticipated, and advised you guys against prior to it happening.
  482.  
  483. Every single time, I ended up being blamed for it happening, and it led to more issues ahtat I also saw coming and tried to stop.
  484.  
  485. The issue of the connection to route 9 was an issue that you all knew about after te intial agreement back months ago, and was the entire reason it was gone back ovefr
  486. [2014-12-09 7:17:33 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Since the wording was changed, I know that it was gone over again after I was kicked
  487. [2014-12-09 7:17:49 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I am at a loss for how you guys neglected to realize the wording was still not allowing the maps to be valid
  488. [2014-12-09 7:18:03 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Gun, you act like what I want is impossible
  489. [2014-12-09 7:18:06 PM] Jabberwock xeno: it's really, really not
  490. [2014-12-09 7:18:15 PM] Jabberwock xeno: it's totally doable
  491. [2014-12-09 7:18:17 PM] Kat :3: Your expectations are too high.
  492. [2014-12-09 7:18:21 PM] Orange Moose: if it's not impossible
  493. [2014-12-09 7:18:22 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I don't think so.
  494. [2014-12-09 7:18:25 PM] Kat :3: I think so.
  495. [2014-12-09 7:18:35 PM] Orange Moose: why is not responding to shitposters impossible for you?
  496. [2014-12-09 7:18:50 PM] CataclysmicClash: [December 9, 2014 7:13 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  497.  
  498. <<< So if a person whose job is to fix cars ends up not fixing them right over and over againa person who thinks they know eveyrhting about making a car but has never actually made a full car, gets to decide how future cars are made and judge the people actaully making cars.
  499. [2014-12-09 7:20:09 PM | Edited 7:20:14 PM] Jabberwock xeno: All it requires is you guys going through the document, and have each of you explain your inteprration of what every line or statment means so you then know how everybody interpeates the entire document, and then it can be re-worded to be in a way where eveybody understands it, and so that everybody can raise any issues and they can be dealt with prior to it being finalized.
  500.  
  501. If you guys recall, that was the whole goal and thing we were gonna do:
  502. [2014-12-09 7:20:18 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [October 26, 2014 9:23 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  503.  
  504. <<< This shit ain't working. You all are sick of working with me, and i'm sick of you all being sick of me.
  505.  
  506. I think what maruno said earlier is what we should do next: Update the wiki page, update my document, make them more concise.
  507.  
  508. The ONLY way we are ever going to finish, the only way you all are ever going to be able to progress, even if i'm not here is if ALL OF US actually go through our guidlines, document our concerns with them, and then go through them.
  509.  
  510. I am willing to be even more fleixable, to leave stuff open ended, and to minimize my wals of text, but y'all need to be involved, and read stuff.
  511.  
  512. We all okay with that?
  513. [2014-12-09 7:20:30 PM] Kat :3: omfg you realize what you're asking right
  514. [2014-12-09 7:20:35 PM] Kat :3: that's a huge collosal waste of time
  515. [2014-12-09 7:20:36 PM] Jabberwock xeno: What
  516. [2014-12-09 7:20:39 PM] Jabberwock xeno: how so
  517. [2014-12-09 7:20:56 PM] Jabberwock xeno: It's clear that you guys have huge problems with this, so clearly it's NOT a waste of time?
  518. [2014-12-09 7:21:16 PM] Kat :3: Majora, how long did it take mapchat to fix the issue about the exits when you were gone
  519. [2014-12-09 7:21:24 PM] Kat :3: And how long would it take us to do what you're asking
  520. [2014-12-09 7:21:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: If the roles were reversed, and I was the guitly one here, you guys would fucking ban me from doing it in an instant
  521. [2014-12-09 7:21:39 PM] Kat :3: the difference in the time it would take to do those two things is ENORMOUS
  522. [2014-12-09 7:21:52 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:21 PM] Kat :3:
  523.  
  524. <<< Majora, how long did it take mapchat to fix the issue about the exits when you were goneLike 3 days, which was way too short and made me SUPER worried
  525. [2014-12-09 7:22:02 PM] Kat :3: >3 days
  526. [2014-12-09 7:22:04 PM] Kat :3: >too long
  527. [2014-12-09 7:22:07 PM] Kat :3: toppest kek
  528. [2014-12-09 7:22:11 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I said that's too short
  529. [2014-12-09 7:22:13 PM] Jabberwock xeno: not too long
  530. [2014-12-09 7:22:18 PM] Kat :3: majora you're going to have to accept that this shit is our hobby, not our job
  531. [2014-12-09 7:22:31 PM] Kat :3: what you are demanding from us is not feasible for people who aren't getting paid
  532. [2014-12-09 7:22:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: It's feasible for me
  533. [2014-12-09 7:22:44 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Yet you won't let me do it
  534. [2014-12-09 7:22:51 PM] Kat :3: Majora
  535. [2014-12-09 7:23:06 PM] Kat :3: When we were doing mapchat stuff you demanded everyones full attention for pretty much 2 months straight
  536. [2014-12-09 7:23:09 PM] Kat :3: it was draining
  537. [2014-12-09 7:23:19 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I don't think you understand how fucking angry and dissapointed I am in you8 guys not that not a single one of you spotted this
  538. [2014-12-09 7:23:33 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:23 PM] Kat :3:
  539.  
  540. <<< When we were doing mapchat stuff you demanded everyones full attention for pretty much 2 months straight
  541. it was drainingit wouldn't have taken that long if you guys were actually there
  542. [2014-12-09 7:23:33 PM] mitchell numbers: 'OMG there are still random forum only people with kinda weird ideas' i still remember that really ugly aguanaut sprite
  543. [2014-12-09 7:23:40 PM] Kat :3: You've made your anger quite clear. What you're missing is that we dont care.
  544. [2014-12-09 7:23:48 PM] Kat :3: MAJORA WE HAVE LIVES
  545. [2014-12-09 7:23:49 PM] Orange Moose: Majora, I just want to let you know. During that time, the only time I had fun was when I basically quit and just went back to mapping.
  546. [2014-12-09 7:23:59 PM] Orange Moose: And retiled 3.
  547. [2014-12-09 7:24:02 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:23 PM] Kat :3:
  548.  
  549. <<< You've made your anger quite clear. What you're missing is that we dont care.And what YOU are missing is that I am not going to stand by and let you not care. I am sick of you guys fucking stuff up and blaming it on me
  550. [2014-12-09 7:24:20 PM] empty: [December 9, 2014 7:14 PM] empty:
  551.  
  552. <<< Anybody up for discussing non-this on topic survey stuff?
  553. [2014-12-09 7:24:29 PM] Jabberwock xeno: If you want to fix the problem here, then fix it, but then we are going to fix it RIGHT.
  554. [2014-12-09 7:24:31 PM] threetopsandahat: If I can help, empty, sure.
  555. [2014-12-09 7:24:41 PM] Kat :3: Majora. I'm done. I'm moving onto empty's thing
  556. [2014-12-09 7:24:42 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Like what we agreed on
  557. [2014-12-09 7:24:44 PM] Kat :3: whats up empty.
  558. [2014-12-09 7:24:48 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:24 PM] Kat :3:
  559.  
  560. <<< Majora. I'm done. I'm moving onto empty's thingI'm not done.
  561. [2014-12-09 7:24:50 PM] CataclysmicClash: If you stay completly out of everything mapping and have 0% invovlement in it then they wont blame you
  562. [2014-12-09 7:25:01 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:24 PM] CataclysmicClash:
  563.  
  564. <<< If you stay completly out of everything mapping and have 0% invovlement in it then they wont blame youYeah, and then everuthing will be fucked
  565. [2014-12-09 7:25:01 PM] empty: What do you think about opening up a Ranch idea thread on the forum ala the gym concepts to gather for survey in a week?
  566. [2014-12-09 7:25:18 PM] threetopsandahat: [December 9, 2014 7:24 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  567.  
  568. <<< I am not going to stand by and let you not care.Holy crud, how can you say this and still want to help the project? You have no control over how other people feel, you shouldn't try to make them care.
  569. [2014-12-09 7:25:30 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Did you read the pastebin 3tops?
  570. [2014-12-09 7:25:42 PM] Orange Moose: what ideas about the ranch
  571. [2014-12-09 7:25:43 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Gun, you guys never resolved what's going to happen with the deadline.
  572. [2014-12-09 7:25:44 PM] threetopsandahat: I can't, it's written so personally I cannot make it through it.
  573. [2014-12-09 7:25:47 PM] Orange Moose: for events and shit?
  574. [2014-12-09 7:25:52 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:25 PM] Three Tops:
  575.  
  576. <<< I can't, it's written so personally I cannot make it through it.It's accurate,
  577. [2014-12-09 7:26:05 PM] Kat :3: a ranch idea?
  578. [2014-12-09 7:26:25 PM] Maruno: Forum's a good place for concept submissions. You can read all the others and make slightly altered versions if you want.
  579. [2014-12-09 7:26:39 PM] Maruno: That's what happened for Gym concepts, isn't it?
  580. [2014-12-09 7:26:44 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I don't understand how any of you can possibly think you guys are capable of doing this after the amount of fuck ups and now this you've done
  581. [2014-12-09 7:27:02 PM] threetopsandahat: Majora, this project can go on and thrive without you.
  582. [2014-12-09 7:27:05 PM] threetopsandahat: Believe it or not.
  583. [2014-12-09 7:27:10 PM] threetopsandahat: It can make it to completion.
  584. [2014-12-09 7:27:17 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Completion =/= done well
  585. [2014-12-09 7:27:23 PM] threetopsandahat: Holy mother of God.
  586. [2014-12-09 7:27:27 PM] CataclysmicClash: lel
  587. [2014-12-09 7:27:32 PM] empty: He think's we'll do it well. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA
  588. [2014-12-09 7:27:36 PM] Maruno: Can we talk about something useful?
  589. [2014-12-09 7:27:40 PM] Jabberwock xeno: They are baltently ignoring the guidlines and ru8les we have in place to suit their own ends
  590. [2014-12-09 7:27:40 PM] Orange Moose: 3tops, once it gets to this point it's better to not respond
  591. [2014-12-09 7:27:44 PM] CataclysmicClash: only jabbers sage is a well done sage
  592. [2014-12-09 7:27:46 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:27 PM] Maruno:
  593.  
  594. <<< Can we talk about something useful?This IS useful
  595. [2014-12-09 7:27:52 PM] Orange Moose: anyway
  596. [2014-12-09 7:27:53 PM] Jabberwock xeno: because clearly you guys are incable of doing it
  597. [2014-12-09 7:27:59 PM] Orange Moose: shoot the shit ranch time?
  598. [2014-12-09 7:28:32 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I am more then open to calmly disscusiing this and being productive about it, but you guys seem totally unwilling to do that
  599. [2014-12-09 7:28:39 PM] Kat :3: wait so why are we having a ranch idea thread?
  600. [2014-12-09 7:28:40 PM] empty: Sooo, just copy same rules same time frame from the gym thing?
  601. [2014-12-09 7:28:44 PM] Orange Moose: If it's for shears and not important to do
  602. [2014-12-09 7:28:44 PM] Kat :3: why does it deserve one?
  603. [2014-12-09 7:28:45 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You guys won't even consider how tio avoid this in the future
  604. [2014-12-09 7:28:51 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:28 PM] empty:
  605.  
  606. <<< Sooo, just copy same rules same time frame from the gym thing?Wait, what gym thing
  607. [2014-12-09 7:28:58 PM] Orange Moose: It could be cool to have it take a day or two
  608. [2014-12-09 7:28:58 PM] empty: Because it is a side area and we need to decide what happens there gun
  609. [2014-12-09 7:29:14 PM | Edited 7:29:21 PM] Maruno: Majora, you've had 2 hours in this thread alone, and all that's happened is that you've progressed to your default stance of "I'm right, everyone else fucks up constantly and completely". It's over. Let's do something else.
  610. [2014-12-09 7:29:20 PM] Jabberwock xeno: The ranch already has a defined spot in the map confirmation process
  611. [2014-12-09 7:29:27 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:29 PM] Maruno:
  612.  
  613. <<< and all that's happened is that you've progressed to your default stance of "I'm right, everyone else fucks up constantly and completely".So what?
  614. [2014-12-09 7:29:34 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You guys bitch at me for making shitstorms all the time
  615. [2014-12-09 7:29:36 PM] Maruno: So we've heard it before.
  616. [2014-12-09 7:29:38 PM | Edited 7:30:28 PM] Orange Moose: --------
  617. show up during day - farmers tired
  618. go back during night - sheeps eating sleeps, maybe fight some
  619. go back during day again - explain to farmer and get shears
  620. --------
  621. [2014-12-09 7:29:43 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and use that to justify my ecclsuion
  622. [2014-12-09 7:29:59 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Why are you guys so fucking agains t learning from your mistakes and dienfotyi9ng how to avoid repeating them?
  623. [2014-12-09 7:30:11 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I just don't fucking understand
  624. [2014-12-09 7:30:22 PM] Jabberwock xeno: It's like you guys want to repeat them over and over ahgain
  625. [2014-12-09 7:30:55 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I already outlined what I think needs to happen from here productivty wise, and none of you have started on that with me
  626. [2014-12-09 7:30:57 PM] Maruno: Wait, are you guys talking about the concept ("ranch of Dreamdery + 147 more words") or are you talking about all the sidequests that may be there?
  627. [2014-12-09 7:31:06 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You guys don't fucking care what issues I have
  628. [2014-12-09 7:31:10 PM] CataclysmicClash: [December 9, 2014 7:29 PM] Orange Moose:
  629.  
  630. <<< sheeps eating sleepsThat sounds cute
  631. [2014-12-09 7:31:17 PM] empty: both Maruno
  632. [2014-12-09 7:31:18 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You just want to shut me up and pretend like nothing ever happened
  633. [2014-12-09 7:31:20 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Also
  634. [2014-12-09 7:31:23 PM] Jabberwock xeno: once again
  635. [2014-12-09 7:31:30 PM] Jabberwock xeno: the ranch already has a defined step
  636. [2014-12-09 7:31:32 PM] empty: Some might not even want a sidequest, just variable things happening there.
  637. [2014-12-09 7:31:33 PM] Orange Moose: not actually sure maruno
  638. [2014-12-09 7:31:34 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and what's going onw tih the gyms
  639. [2014-12-09 7:31:39 PM] empty: 150 words. Describe what you want there
  640. [2014-12-09 7:31:40 PM] *** Group call ***
  641. [2014-12-09 7:32:02 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Now
  642. [2014-12-09 7:32:26 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Can we please disscuss what to do from here
  643. [2014-12-09 7:32:29 PM | Edited 7:32:37 PM] mitchell numbers: i'm making a forumthread and the survey when it's done
  644. [2014-12-09 7:32:31 PM] Jabberwock xeno: instead of you guys ignoring me
  645. [2014-12-09 7:32:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: or are you guys going to be assholes again
  646. [2014-12-09 7:32:55 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Also, tell me what is going on with the gym things
  647. [2014-12-09 7:32:57 PM] Maruno: I think we should just care about the concept for now. Sidequests can be made to fit whatever we get.
  648. [2014-12-09 7:33:06 PM] Orange Moose: isn't the concept just
  649. [2014-12-09 7:33:10 PM] Orange Moose: Dreamdery ranch?
  650. [2014-12-09 7:33:22 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Please stop ignoring me
  651. [2014-12-09 7:33:52 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You guys asked what I think we should dof rom here
  652. [2014-12-09 7:33:53 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I answered
  653. [2014-12-09 7:33:56 PM] empty: We need a general sense so that we know what kind of stuff we want able there.
  654. [2014-12-09 7:33:56 PM | Edited 7:34:12 PM] Maruno: Wheat fields or not? Well? A bit of a wooded maze behind it like Lake of Rage full of Cut trees?
  655. [2014-12-09 7:34:00 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Okay
  656. [2014-12-09 7:34:01 PM] Jabberwock xeno: fuck this
  657. [2014-12-09 7:34:04 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I'm posting in thread
  658. [2014-12-09 7:34:11 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and demanding your maps be made illegal
  659. [2014-12-09 7:34:14 PM] Jabberwock xeno: you want to play this way
  660. [2014-12-09 7:34:15 PM] Jabberwock xeno: fine
  661. [2014-12-09 7:34:44 PM] Orange Moose: A maze would be cool if it was filled with Dreamdery trying to GET YOU
  662. [2014-12-09 7:34:48 PM] Orange Moose: or something
  663. [2014-12-09 7:35:15 PM] Jabberwock xeno: This is what I fucking mean
  664. [2014-12-09 7:35:16 PM] Orange Moose: With a Macabra broing you through
  665. [2014-12-09 7:35:19 PM] Jabberwock xeno: you guys cause this type of shit
  666. [2014-12-09 7:35:22 PM] Jabberwock xeno: all the fucking time
  667. [2014-12-09 7:35:22 PM] Maruno: The concept would NOT describe a weekly Macabra, for example. It's just what the place is, not what events are there.
  668. [2014-12-09 7:35:26 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I am trying to help you all
  669. [2014-12-09 7:35:31 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and you guys are fucking blowing me off
  670. [2014-12-09 7:35:35 PM] Jabberwock xeno: entirely
  671. [2014-12-09 7:35:40 PM] Orange Moose: oh I see what you mean maruno
  672. [2014-12-09 7:35:42 PM] empty: But we need some kind of event vague outline
  673. [2014-12-09 7:35:42 PM] Jabberwock xeno: You fucking wonder why I get so mad at you guys
  674. [2014-12-09 7:35:54 PM] empty: For routes that event is always walk through, battle trainers and grass
  675. [2014-12-09 7:36:01 PM] empty: but for side areas it needs specification
  676. [2014-12-09 7:36:04 PM] Orange Moose: I dunno, I think letting the event dictate the map would be better
  677. [2014-12-09 7:36:26 PM] Orange Moose: in this case I mean
  678. [2014-12-09 7:36:29 PM] Orange Moose: not always
  679. [2014-12-09 7:36:46 PM] Maruno: We wouldn't know ALL the events there. We can describe the main one ("get Cut"), but that's about it.
  680. [2014-12-09 7:36:50 PM] Jabberwock xeno: What do I have to do to get you guys to stop being cunts and for you guys to listen to what I have to say and for us to improve from this mistakr and make sure this is handled right.
  681. [2014-12-09 7:37:04 PM] Orange Moose: Cut HM or tool?
  682. [2014-12-09 7:37:12 PM | Edited 7:37:15 PM] Orange Moose: or both, but tool comes much later?
  683. [2014-12-09 7:37:14 PM] empty: why not more than that maruno?
  684. [2014-12-09 7:37:26 PM] Orange Moose: ah, empty cause you gotta keep it vague
  685. [2014-12-09 7:37:38 PM] empty: why couldn't we theoretically detail exactly down to dialogue level what happens
  686. [2014-12-09 7:38:02 PM] Maruno: Stop insisting that we must waste a load of time trying to learn from this mistake. We already know that it was just an honest mistake, and it was easily rectified DESPITE your objections. We can't do anything to avoid more like it, because they're natural.
  687. [2014-12-09 7:38:32 PM] Orange Moose: Well we could Empty, but what if people like 90% of something but not the dialogue
  688. [2014-12-09 7:38:44 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:38 PM] Maruno:
  689.  
  690. <<< Stop insisting that we must waste a load of time trying to learn from this mistake. We already know that it was just an honest mistake, and it was easily rectified DESPITE your objections. We can't do anything to avoid more like it, because they're natural.That's not true, stop insisting there is no solution instead of fucking hearing me out, you STILL never answered me about what's going to happen with the deadline or the other stop
  691. [2014-12-09 7:38:54 PM] Jabberwock xeno: stop being assholes for a minute
  692. [2014-12-09 7:39:01 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I want to help you guys
  693. [2014-12-09 7:39:05 PM] Jabberwock xeno: stop trying to piss me off
  694. [2014-12-09 7:39:07 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Please
  695. [2014-12-09 7:39:14 PM] Maruno: Just Cut HM, I suppose. empty, I'm thinking the other events are like to get the Wool Sweater item and so forth, and the weekly Macabra. I don't think those are anywhere near as important as getting Cut (which is needed to progress).
  696. [2014-12-09 7:39:25 PM] empty: Then don't get that far. We should know if there is a sidequest. What the fruits of that would be. The extent of it. And what kind of special areas it might have
  697. [2014-12-09 7:39:49 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Hey threetops
  698. [2014-12-09 7:39:49 PM] Orange Moose: I think that's what maruno is saying
  699. [2014-12-09 7:39:52 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Why did you remove me
  700. [2014-12-09 7:40:38 PM] Jabberwock xeno: WHat happened here has no bearing on me being abe to talk to you
  701. [2014-12-09 7:40:54 PM] Maruno: Mappers can dream that stuff up while they're making it. Plus we may well make tweaks to add such features anyway. I just don't think the map concept for this location needs to consider every little sidequest that might be possible.
  702. [2014-12-09 7:41:10 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Maruno, right now you are intentionally not informing me about what is going on
  703. [2014-12-09 7:41:12 PM] Jabberwock xeno: that's not okay
  704. [2014-12-09 7:41:13 PM] empty: People aren't too hype for mappers dictating everything to do with a map.
  705. [2014-12-09 7:41:22 PM] empty: They voted out the complete steel gym ffs
  706. [2014-12-09 7:41:50 PM] Maruno: >pointless pistons
  707. >liked just because it had tiles
  708. [2014-12-09 7:42:06 PM] CataclysmicClash: I like gyms because they have tiles...
  709. [2014-12-09 7:42:13 PM] CataclysmicClash: So I might be at fault for that
  710. [2014-12-09 7:42:18 PM] CataclysmicClash: although I dont vote
  711. [2014-12-09 7:43:08 PM] Orange Moose: [December 9, 2014 7:41 PM] Maruno:
  712.  
  713. <<< >pointless pistons
  714. >liked just because it had tilesI liked that gym
  715. [2014-12-09 7:43:11 PM] Three Tops: [December 9, 2014 7:40 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  716.  
  717. <<< WHat happened here has no bearing on me being abe to talk to youIt's cool, you can still talk to me in-thread. I'm done using Skype to fix Sugis, that can be done in thread with feedback from more than just you and I going back and forth. Feedback from the rest of the people in the project. I don't like using Skype for that. That should have never been a thing to begin with, so I apologize for going along with it.
  718. [2014-12-09 7:43:26 PM] Maruno: I'm not saying that mappers should be responsible for every event that occurs in the maps. I'm just saying that maybe they'll stick a well in it, thinking that it might be turned into a quest area, but if not that's fine too.
  719. [2014-12-09 7:43:34 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:43 PM] Three Tops:
  720.  
  721. <<< It's cool, you can still talk to me in-thread. I'm done using Skype to fix Sugis, that can be done in thread with feedback from more than just you and I going back and forth. Feedback from the rest of the people in the project. I don't like using Skype for that. That should have never been a thing to begin with, so I apologize for going along with it.You know I can't talk to you in thread about stuff without shit erupting
  722. [2014-12-09 7:43:39 PM] Three Tops: I probably shouldn't be on Skype anyway, but that's another matter entirely.
  723. [2014-12-09 7:43:58 PM] Orange Moose: 3tops noooooooooooo
  724. [2014-12-09 7:44:04 PM] empty: So you think that anything that happens there should be limited by the map after it is finished.
  725. [2014-12-09 7:44:13 PM] Jabberwock xeno: And you know that it's much harde r to communicate about stuff in non real time chat
  726. [2014-12-09 7:44:55 PM] Maruno: No, not that either. We can tweak a map to accommodate a sidequest (at least, I'd hope we'd be able to do that).
  727. [2014-12-09 7:45:26 PM] empty: but map survey before all else?
  728. [2014-12-09 7:45:47 PM] Three Tops: [December 9, 2014 7:43 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  729.  
  730. <<< You know I can't talk to you in thread about stuff without shit eruptingThat's not my fault. My point is, when I post Sugis the first time I ask for feedback. Eventually when enough people say it looks fine, it gets Wiki'd. Sugis are just fluff, unimportant overall. It's not my intent to have to come on Skype - which I just use to decompress - and have one person make me fix things that I don't even know if others in the project feel the same about. It can and should be discussed in thread, not privately in Skype.
  731.  
  732. Now enough about this in here. Sorry for wasting the space, everyone.
  733. [2014-12-09 7:46:07 PM] Maruno: The Ranch's main purpose is to dish out Cut. Having this mentioned in the map concept is fine, even though it'll probably not affect the physical appearance of the map at all.
  734. [2014-12-09 7:46:28 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:45 PM] Three Tops:
  735.  
  736. <<< That's not my fault. My point is, when I post Sugis the first time I ask for feedback. Eventually when enough people say it looks fine, it gets Wiki'd. Sugis are just fluff, unimportant overall. It's not my intent to have to come on Skype - which I just use to decompress - and have one person make me fix things that I don't even know if others in the project feel the same about. It can and should be discussed in thread, not privately in Skype.
  737.  
  738. Now enough about this in here. Sorry for wasting the space, everyone.If I talk to you on the wiki, will you ignore me?
  739. [2014-12-09 7:46:38 PM] Jabberwock xeno: If so, you are dooming me to never have my issues gone over fairly
  740. [2014-12-09 7:46:41 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and you know that
  741. [2014-12-09 7:46:46 PM] Maruno: I don't think it's worth trying to mention any other, more minor sidequests in the map concept. We'll be able to squeeze them in somehow anyway.
  742. [2014-12-09 7:46:47 PM] CataclysmicClash: Sugi's arn't unimportant fluff to me :c
  743. [2014-12-09 7:47:12 PM] empty: I don't disagree with you 3tops.
  744. [2014-12-09 7:48:03 PM] Three Tops: [December 9, 2014 7:46 PM] Jabberwock xeno:
  745.  
  746. <<< If I talk to you on the wiki, will you ignore me?No, of course not. But just so you know I'm barely on there. Like I said, I can be reached in the thread by anyone. I'm lurking as I work on things for almost the whole day. You're not "doomed" in any way, the thread exists.
  747. [2014-12-09 7:49:21 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:48 PM] Three Tops:
  748.  
  749. <<< You're not "doomed" in any way, the thread exists.The thread will go against stuff just because I am in favor of it
  750. [2014-12-09 7:49:23 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and you know that
  751. [2014-12-09 7:49:33 PM] empty: stop tripping
  752. [2014-12-09 7:49:37 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Won't work
  753. [2014-12-09 7:49:42 PM] Jabberwock xeno: people will know it[s me
  754. [2014-12-09 7:49:47 PM] empty: sure
  755. [2014-12-09 7:49:55 PM] Jabberwock xeno: So then as I said
  756. [2014-12-09 7:49:57 PM] Jabberwock xeno: that's not feasible
  757. [2014-12-09 7:50:44 PM] Three Tops: Majora, that's not my fault. We've talked about this before and you know I have no control over that. I have to put up with 3Tops hater almost every time I post something, but does that stop me? It makes me hesitant to post, but I still post what I've worked on to get feedback.
  758. [2014-12-09 7:50:58 PM] Three Tops: You just have to deal with it.
  759. [2014-12-09 7:51:15 PM] mitchell numbers: http://z13.invisionfree.com/Pokemon_Gen_VP/index.php?showtopic=503
  760. [2014-12-09 7:51:16 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Not every single person in thread is 3tops hater
  761. [2014-12-09 7:51:21 PM] Sexy Sloth / Mister Diddlez: its literally cancer in here
  762. [2014-12-09 7:51:50 PM] Three Tops: Sorry, like I said I shouldn't be talking about this here. I'll stop.
  763. [2014-12-09 7:52:15 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Three tops you are seriously fucking me over here.
  764. [2014-12-09 7:52:19 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I know that's not your intent
  765. [2014-12-09 7:52:21 PM] Jabberwock xeno: but you are
  766. [2014-12-09 7:55:05 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I don't know what your logic is
  767. [2014-12-09 7:55:19 PM] Three Tops: Just use the thread like everyone else. How is that hard?
  768. [2014-12-09 7:55:20 PM] Jabberwock xeno: Maybe you just don't want to deal with drama and you are scared of me dragging you into it
  769. [2014-12-09 7:55:34 PM | Edited 7:55:40 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:55 PM] Three Tops:
  770.  
  771. <<< Just use the thread like everyone else. How is that hard?Have you SEEN how the thread reacts to me?
  772. [2014-12-09 7:55:49 PM] Jabberwock xeno: I'm fucking scared to open my mouth ab out anything in thread
  773. [2014-12-09 7:55:52 PM] Three Tops: If other people have issues with a Sugi, how do they bring it up? In-thread. Then it gets discussed.
  774. [2014-12-09 7:56:07 PM] Jabberwock xeno: people are threatening to fucking treat anons who post like me as me ang to ignore them
  775. [2014-12-09 7:56:19 PM] Jabberwock xeno: the thread fucking hates me and antyhing that has to do with me
  776. [2014-12-09 7:56:30 PM] Jabberwock xeno: it's impossible for me to post anything and for it to be conaidered fairly
  777. [2014-12-09 7:56:46 PM] mitchell numbers: people listen to you, when your being respectful and they agree
  778. [2014-12-09 7:57:13 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:56 PM] mitchell numbers:
  779.  
  780. <<< people listen to you, when your being respectful and they agreeno, even when I am being respetful they don't listen
  781. [2014-12-09 7:57:57 PM] mitchell numbers: people have a right to listen to whomever they want
  782. [2014-12-09 7:58:49 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:57 PM] mitchell numbers:
  783.  
  784. <<< people have a right to listen to whomever they wantYeah, but him doing this means that in essence I will never be able to fairly do stuff with sugis again, because he said that he's going to go with what the thread says
  785. [2014-12-09 7:58:55 PM] Jabberwock xeno: and the thread will hate what I do out of spite
  786. [2014-12-09 8:00:14 PM | Edited 8:00:26 PM] mitchell numbers: majora, you micromanage our best artists, when you should just circle somethign in mspaint and hope they fix it
  787. [2014-12-09 8:00:54 PM] mitchell numbers: like for example, whatever happened to our other sugi artists
  788. [2014-12-09 8:01:06 PM] Jabberwock xeno: [December 9, 2014 7:57 PM] mitchell numbers:
  789.  
  790. <<< people have a right to listen to whomever they wantUnless he has been lying to me, three tops enjoys hearing my feedback
  791. [2014-12-09 8:01:21 PM] Three Tops: I don't know what else to say Majora. If it were me in your shoes, I would leave the project. Even with as much as I love it, devote my time to it, if I felt every time I wanted to post something in-thread that's how people would react, I wouldn't post because I wouldn't want to cause the project that much pain.
  792.  
  793. Like I said, I didn't want Skype to be a private way for you (or anyone) to get me to fix Sugis how you (or anyone) sees fit. I'd prefer it to be posted in the thread, to see if a majority agrees, just like it always has been. It's not malicious, it's not personal. I just can't do it anymore.
  794.  
  795. This is the last thing I'm posting about this, it doesn't need to clog the on-topic chat. I've got to go eat now.
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