Meta Meeting 11/04/2016

crash - Today at 7:35 PM
Welcome to the first Game Detectives Meta Meeting!

We're experimenting with this new system of meetings to gauge your guys' opinions.

Today's topics are, in order:
- Should wiki editors get name tags similar to those of mods on /r/GameDetectives?
- What criteria need to be met for the creation of a #investigation channel?

Discussion is to be kept strictly on topic.
Discussion of a particular topic will cease once the constructiveness of the discussion has declined (mods' discretion).
At the conclusion of the discussion for a particular topic, a mod will lock this channel, and summarize their findings.  They may also decide to create a poll if the topic is heatly debated.
After the channel has been locked and any polls have been resolved, discussion will move to the next topic.

After all topics have been discussed, the floor will open so that anyone can raise new issues or voice their concerns.

The meeting starts in about 5 minutes!(edited)
Dr. Dino - Today at 7:47 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedetectives/comments/4cbrft/announcing_the_gd_meta_meeting/ <- read all about the meeting here
reddit
Announcing the GD Meta Meeting • /r/gamedetectives
# Introduction ***** The moderators of GameDetectives have recognized that our community wants greater transparency about decisions moderators...

sarene - Today at 7:57 PM
hey so the meta things
Dr. Dino - Today at 7:57 PM
dont go offtopic or you will be muted
Cubity_First - Today at 7:58 PM
I wont mention about the wiki tags because I am biased. But when the other subject comes around. I will talk.
Ako - Today at 7:58 PM
Should wiki editors get name tags similar to those of mods on /r/GameDetectives? like, on the sidebar? a flair?
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 7:59 PM
hi
Cubity_First - Today at 7:59 PM
A flair.
sarene - Today at 7:59 PM
i think wiki editors should get a tag in case someone not on the discord finds some info
Nauthas - Today at 7:59 PM
Well, I will mention the wiki flair because I'm biased, so...(edited)
crash - Today at 7:59 PM
The meeting has now started!

The current topic is: Should wiki editors get name tags similar to those of mods on /r/GameDetectives?

Discuss!
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 7:59 PM
YES
Cubity_First - Today at 7:59 PM
Yes.
sarene - Today at 7:59 PM
i think they should.
Nauthas - Today at 7:59 PM
Certainly
Zixxy Zay - Today at 7:59 PM
Yes,
Cubity_First - Today at 7:59 PM
Easiest choice ever.
munkeh - Today at 7:59 PM
I mean if it isn't too much work.
GreenCookies - Today at 7:59 PM
Of course
Dr. Dino - Today at 7:59 PM
I dont see the point, please explain to me why they should
Cubity_First - Today at 7:59 PM
Flairs take no work at all.
Benolot - Today at 7:59 PM
^2(edited)
Cubity_First - Today at 8:00 PM
"i think wiki editors should get a tag in case someone not on the discord finds some info"
opl - Today at 8:00 PM
i mean... they do kind of do more than mods
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:00 PM
^
Nauthas - Today at 8:00 PM
Because people on the subreddit don't really recongnize the wiki editors straight away as is
munkeh - Today at 8:00 PM
There's kinda like no reason not to if they want it.
crash - Today at 8:00 PM
pls, i edit the wiki
Svardskampe - Today at 8:00 PM
if yes, then why, give a reason...just "yes" doesnt help
opl - Today at 8:00 PM
5^
Zixxy Zay - Today at 8:00 PM
They do a lot of dirty work that others may not even want to go thought the trouble with.
Benolot - Today at 8:00 PM
I dont think they do more than the mods, they just do a different type of work.
But why do wiki editors need to be named?
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:00 PM
just do it, everyone says yes ;-;
crash - Today at 8:00 PM
so you guys think that the flair on the subreddit should be a reward for the work they do?
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:00 PM
@Topic: No
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:00 PM
they do work, yes, but why do they need a special tag?
Benolot - Today at 8:00 PM
There names are on the staff list.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:01 PM
@!      DoNotSpamPls not how that works
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:01 PM
😦
sarene - Today at 8:01 PM
yeah, here it's plain as day that there's wiki editors but on the subreddit you'd need to recognize and remember names of them
Cubity_First - Today at 8:01 PM
Who reads the wiki though?
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:01 PM
I really don't care about getting a tag on the subreddit.
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:01 PM
I think they deserve the flair, because wiki editors are not easily recognised on the subreddit
also, they do much work
Cubity_First - Today at 8:01 PM
We get special tags here. Why not the subreddit?
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:01 PM
without any reward
and in their free time
#EditorsForFlair
munkeh - Today at 8:02 PM
They want the flair and thats really the only reason you need. Unless you can name a reason not to give them the flair there's no point to argue.
Nauthas - Today at 8:02 PM
Ok, let's say I went into the ben and ed arg now or any post for example, looking for information. I don't like the fact that I have to state every time "Hi wiki editor here" for them to know who I am, I mean
sarene - Today at 8:02 PM
yeah
Nauthas - Today at 8:02 PM
It isn't that hard to add a flair either, so I don't see why it would be controversial
amboyscout - Today at 8:02 PM
IMHO Wiki editors in general do ALOT more active work than an an average mod here.
Benolot - Today at 8:02 PM
This isnt about who does more work.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:02 PM
I think there is a reason to recognizing the wiki eds in discord cause they are the ones you should talk to to ghet shit archived, but I see no reason at all why you need to be recognized on the subreddit
Cubity_First - Today at 8:02 PM
Wiki editors do more work than most of the mods here.
sarene - Today at 8:02 PM
sometimes when a wiki editor casually joins a conversation they'd know more about the ARG than most do as they spend time writing about it
amboyscout - Today at 8:02 PM
Falirs arent hard and they need to be noticed so users can ask for wiki additions directly.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:02 PM
But as Benolot said.
Nauthas - Today at 8:02 PM
It helps people who think it's needed and people who don't think it's needed can ignore it
Michius - Today at 8:03 PM
The staff list works only if you assume everyone takes the time to click through to that when a flair is an immediately visible marker which doesn't require restating that you're an editor.
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:03 PM
I must be the only one who doesn't want wiki flair. \_( ' ,')_/
sarene - Today at 8:03 PM
and the tag lets other recognize them in the conversations
amboyscout - Today at 8:03 PM
^3
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:03 PM
Would just like tomention that me and Crash are both wiki editors and mods, but that's a bit irrelevant.
Nauthas - Today at 8:03 PM
But that's the same as the subreddit, we're the people they cna contact quickly if they want us to update the wiki
Cubity_First - Today at 8:03 PM
Why don't you want one @Anarchy Malqua?
Nauthas - Today at 8:03 PM
Most mods, even with wiki perms, come to the wiki editors to add something
HqueDisc - Today at 8:03 PM
We need compact and simple rules.
Just that.
DotMov - Today at 8:03 PM
I see no reason why they shouldn't get the flairs. It doesn't hurt anybody.
Nauthas - Today at 8:03 PM
Different topic disc
HqueDisc - Today at 8:03 PM
Flairs are cool
Well
amboyscout - Today at 8:03 PM
@Sarcastic_Fantastic In the case that a mod is an active wiki editor, count them as 2 different people.(edited)
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:04 PM
@Cubity_First it doesn't matter to me.
I don't look at the subreddit anyway
Pyrophexx - Today at 8:04 PM
If flairs help not having to state "I'm a wiki editor" everytime then i don't see why not
HqueDisc - Today at 8:04 PM
Wiki editors should be recognized
Nauthas - Today at 8:04 PM
Yeah so it seems that people on a whole like flairs, and the people who don't think it is needed aren't going to be effected by it being there
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:04 PM
I just do wiki stuff.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:04 PM
Not many people do. But it is a way of keeping everything documented @Anarchy Malqua
amboyscout - Today at 8:04 PM
^3
HqueDisc - Today at 8:04 PM
You work hard on giving rules to people, so you should get a flair to show you that you rule.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:04 PM
It's not like the mods don't already have a template. It would take less than 3 minutes to add a new flat.
sarene - Today at 8:04 PM
flairs take no work to implement and like nauthas said it doesn't impact anything negatively(edited)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:04 PM
Yeah
Pyrophexx - Today at 8:05 PM
Actuallly, are there any argument towards NOT having flairs? because it seems no one is against flairs, the discussion seems pointlless
Nauthas - Today at 8:05 PM
That's my main point anyways, feel free to rebutt it
HqueDisc - Today at 8:05 PM
It's like adding a Best Seller tag to a book.
crash - Today at 8:05 PM
The channel has been locked.  Please stand by...
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:05 PM
Again quick note, if we were to add wiki editors flair, we would want to make them different to defualt user flairs.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:05 PM
I would really like an answer to my question, I get  the purpose of the tag on discord, but what is the purpose more than just bragging rights on the subreddit
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:05 PM
Still may be a copy paste jo-
ok then
Benolot - Today at 8:05 PM
Please avoid all ^ in future, your messages will be removed and you will risk a mute
crash - Today at 8:06 PM
So, it seems like there's a lot of consensus about adding a wiki editor flair.

We'll add this to our to-do list!

This concludes our discussion about the wiki editor flair.
Next up: What criteria need to be met for the creation of an #investigation channel?

Discuss!
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:07 PM
If you were interested in who is a wiki editor, you could click on the edit history for a given page. https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedetectives/wiki/revisions/
reddit: the front page of the internet
Cubity_First - Today at 8:07 PM
Does that mean yes flair or no flair?
amboyscout - Today at 8:07 PM
Yes flair cubity
opl - Today at 8:07 PM
@Cubity_First i believe that means yes(edited)
Benolot - Today at 8:07 PM
It doesnt mean anything.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:07 PM
Yay
Benolot - Today at 8:07 PM
We are discussing right now.
Discussing both sides
And we will consider at the end in a summery
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:07 PM
what why we just discussed it here
bysam - Today at 8:07 PM
(Please dont just close a discussion without asking)
opl - Today at 8:08 PM
"a lot of consensus" "We'll add this to our to-do list!" "This concludes our discussion"
HqueDisc - Today at 8:08 PM
It means that Wiki Editors are getting a little extra tag of recognition
Benolot - Today at 8:08 PM
We are moving on now.
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:08 PM
A lot of consensus == opposing opinions
HqueDisc - Today at 8:08 PM
Ok
Cubity_First - Today at 8:08 PM
Concludes discussion =/= discussing.
Moving on.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:08 PM
Let's go to the next topic, shall we?
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:08 PM
Next topic
Nauthas - Today at 8:08 PM
Ok personally I think investigation chats are weird as is, the amount of evidence needed to have one changes each time
Vrow - Today at 8:09 PM
Considering the capricious nature of ARGs, I think the investigation channel will depend heavily regarding the "consistency" of the possible trail. I mean, when a trail is found, some ARGs tend to use that specific trait to lay on the path so that the players can follow through.
bysam - Today at 8:09 PM
This is probably an unpopular opinion: I think we should drastically reduce the amount of ARGs in the air. Both on Reddit and Discord. It would be (in my opinion) much more preferable to have the whole community on the same arg.
amboyscout - Today at 8:09 PM
I would like to add that consensus means "general agreement."
Nauthas - Today at 8:09 PM
I actually agree with bysam
HqueDisc - Today at 8:09 PM
We should have a ARG at least have some kind of puzzles, and also be ok,
Benolot - Today at 8:09 PM
Do we need more properly defined rules on what puzzles/mysteries constitute an investigation Discord channel and Subreddit flair (these of which may lead to a full ARG channel/flair if more is found)?(edited)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:09 PM
And that's all.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:09 PM
1 or 2 args at most.
amboyscout - Today at 8:09 PM
No @Benolot
Case- by case
Nauthas - Today at 8:09 PM
I think we do
Cubity_First - Today at 8:09 PM
Any more and the community is split
Crauss - Today at 8:09 PM
Make an investigation channel if there is in an investigation. Easy
Cubity_First - Today at 8:10 PM
Do it case by case.
bysam - Today at 8:10 PM
The problem right now is that there are so many ARGs on Reddit which only get 1/2 posts and no one really cares about.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:10 PM
They are all too different.
Pyrophexx - Today at 8:10 PM
I'm rooting for case-by-casevon investigation channels
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:10 PM
I feel case by case is the best option by far here
Benolot - Today at 8:10 PM
This was proposed by nauthus iirc
HqueDisc - Today at 8:10 PM
We  should have at least 3 or less ARGs, and put them in channel in case they lead to more.
amboyscout - Today at 8:10 PM
If no one cares bysam, they die and we dont use them
Nauthas - Today at 8:10 PM
Fine Can we turn this question into something kind of different then- how active does an investigation chat need to be to stay open?
HqueDisc - Today at 8:10 PM
Ben and Ed, for exemple, is leading to something more.
amboyscout - Today at 8:10 PM
@Nauthas has a good example of a question
HqueDisc - Today at 8:10 PM
Topic Nauthas
bysam - Today at 8:10 PM
Of course, reducing the amount of ARGs opens up the problem of how we are going to decide which ARGs to follow.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:10 PM
Hm
Cubity_First - Today at 8:10 PM
Until there is nothing left.
Vrow - Today at 8:10 PM
Plus, there's also the need to consider what sort of ARG it's going to turn out to be. If it's an official game ARG, promotional ARG, an ARG that's simply using that base to attract players, or just a puzzle trail.
bysam - Today at 8:11 PM
(Also please, if you can, write longer messages instead of 3, it's annoying.)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:11 PM
Follow the ARGs that lead into more.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:11 PM
If it is proved to be an arg. Make an arg channel. If it's not. Then delete it.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:11 PM
@Nauthas again, I think case by case would be best here, cause if we define a dead arg, we will be bound to that even if people dont agree
amboyscout - Today at 8:11 PM
Bysam, please stick to the topic as to not mix the conversation up
bysam - Today at 8:11 PM
huh?
Benolot - Today at 8:11 PM
@amboyscout Please dont self moderate.
Nauthas - Today at 8:11 PM
I think the question has kinda shifted
amboyscout - Today at 8:11 PM
You are forking off and it is making stuff confusing, lol
crash - Today at 8:11 PM
i don't think it's effective to only do one ARG at a time.  some ARGs are really slow, like #arg-eye-sigil
Vrow - Today at 8:11 PM
I say we try sending some "scout" players to see if there's truly something more under the first puzzles, and if there is, then an investigation channel should be created so that more players can see for themselves.
sarene - Today at 8:12 PM
a problem we walked about a long time ago is that there's too many channels.
the investigation channels should be added is there is real demand for it, and has active messages in it. by active i mean at least a few messages per hour if there's no hiatus.
otherwise, the chat gets cluttered up with args. if there's no active chat, it should remain in arg-general.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:12 PM
Eye-Sigil is really slow to be honest.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:12 PM
Unless the arg is slow. Stick to a few args. Not 10.
Nauthas - Today at 8:12 PM
Or adapted to more "When should a channel be closed? And how do we decide what channels should be open?" For example, Ben and Ed doesn't have a chat right now
HqueDisc - Today at 8:12 PM
It's like every game that launches we must check if it has something weird
Svardskampe - Today at 8:12 PM
eye sigil needs some sort of platform to be discussed on
amboyscout - Today at 8:12 PM
@sarene You can mute a channel and then click hide muted channels.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:12 PM
Ben and Ed got updated
Svardskampe - Today at 8:12 PM
its not dead
its just very slow
HqueDisc - Today at 8:12 PM
Yeah.
amboyscout - Today at 8:13 PM
Rip, cannot tagg sarene
HqueDisc - Today at 8:13 PM
Getting somewhere with this Topic! Let's keep going.
sarene - Today at 8:13 PM
@amboyscout that's not the point. i'm talking about useless channels.
yeah i'll change it back 1 sec
Nauthas - Today at 8:13 PM
So I think those are the two questions we should be asking
There's an issue with too many arg channels- it breaks the community up
HqueDisc - Today at 8:13 PM
Useless channels should be closed in case the ARG is done or hibernating
Nauthas - Today at 8:13 PM
So all of the args get solved slower
HqueDisc - Today at 8:13 PM
4 ARG channels should be ok
More than 6 is very overloaded
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:14 PM
So should we be asking, which ARGs get support and which don't?
sarene - Today at 8:14 PM
i agree with nauthas; right now, frts, eye sigil, codi, killyourinternet, and esgossip (so far) can be effectively condensed down into arg-general, or if that's not enough, 2 general channels.
bysam - Today at 8:14 PM
I agree with @Nauthas, but implementing the (obvious solution) comes with the problem of having to decide which ARGs to follow. Which will be difficult.
Nauthas - Today at 8:14 PM
Erm, esgossip really needs its own chat sarene
HqueDisc - Today at 8:14 PM
A channel for 2. Bam bam, done.
sarene - Today at 8:14 PM
i think a few messages per hour during "active" time is enough to warrant a whole new channel
HqueDisc - Today at 8:14 PM
We like, discuss 2 in one channel.
Nauthas - Today at 8:14 PM
Because there's a lot of new info coming through
amboyscout - Today at 8:15 PM
I think that if there is an arg, there must be a vote of at least 33% approval for it or there is NO reason to support it.(edited)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:15 PM
Too much infomation.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:15 PM
Yeah. Nauthas is right.
Nauthas - Today at 8:15 PM
I don't think we should do it by number
amboyscout - Today at 8:15 PM
That should be a bare minimum
sarene - Today at 8:15 PM
yeah not number
HqueDisc - Today at 8:15 PM
Amboyscout nailed it in the head.
sarene - Today at 8:15 PM
i think it should be if there's active chat going on
Cubity_First - Today at 8:15 PM
But by manpower.
Nauthas - Today at 8:15 PM
Paint by color is silly way to do it, community feel should be better.
Vrow - Today at 8:15 PM
I agree with amboyscout's suggestion. Having a poll means there are players who are interested in following through an ARG.
Active players, even.
amboyscout - Today at 8:15 PM
Does not need to be majority poll though
bysam - Today at 8:15 PM
33% of the server? rofl.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:15 PM
Poll for deciding if the ARG should stay
amboyscout - Today at 8:15 PM
As we wont have a majority working on it
Nauthas - Today at 8:15 PM
Sure people can say "Yeah we want it" but if half the people who says that are lurkers then there is no point
Cubity_First - Today at 8:16 PM
The more people already with an arg.  Should have less args down our throat.
Crauss - Today at 8:16 PM
More like enough if 6 people want the channel
amboyscout - Today at 8:16 PM
@bysam 33% of votes
Crauss - Today at 8:16 PM
Anyone can bot a vote
HqueDisc - Today at 8:16 PM
Yeah.
That's the problem
sarene - Today at 8:16 PM
yeah, cause eye-sigil has been extremely idle for a while, killyourinternet probably ended, frts is dead for now, and codi is dead completely.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:16 PM
FRTS is not that dead
Nauthas - Today at 8:16 PM
codi is being deleted
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:16 PM
FRTS has never been dead
HqueDisc - Today at 8:16 PM
Still going
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:16 PM
you fucks just don't pay attention to it
Nauthas - Today at 8:16 PM
eye sigil can be moved to general if you asked me
HqueDisc - Today at 8:16 PM
It's just sleeping for some days
Ok
Nauthas is right
Svardskampe - Today at 8:17 PM
back on topic
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:17 PM
Which is part of the problem, there are too many ARGs for at least me to follow right now.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:17 PM
if we start polling every arg to see if its active, and need majority votes, and keep it up for 24 hours to keep it fair, I think that would be a sureified death scentence for all args
Cubity_First - Today at 8:17 PM
@Benolot Can you just hide codi incase it picks back up.
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:17 PM
We'll be locking it before deleting.
Benolot - Today at 8:17 PM
Codi hasnt been removed.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:17 PM
@Cubity_First its called mute and you can do it yourself
Nauthas - Today at 8:17 PM
It is to be removed though, right?
Cubity_First - Today at 8:17 PM
Someone said it was getting deleted.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:17 PM
Ok. Just make it so that people vote in a post if the ARG should get a channel in case it's leading, ok?
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:18 PM
I see your point tho @Cubity_First, not saying its a bad idea(edited)
sarene - Today at 8:18 PM
i don't think telling people just to mute channels is a good idea; the first impression of 6 different arg channels isn't going to be good.
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:18 PM
Sorry we were gonna make an official discussion here but it got mentioned, Codi will be deleted a new channel made for gayfrangs new ARG
bysam - Today at 8:18 PM
My final say in this topic; having the full community on-board with the same ARG is amazing, but I don't really find it realistic due to the (obvious complications).
opl - Today at 8:18 PM
imo every arg should just simply have its own channel. this way when theres some activity people can easily know + they can filter out the args theyre not interested in by muting the channels
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:18 PM
I think the opposite of that @sarene
HqueDisc - Today at 8:18 PM
Too much ARG overload.
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:18 PM
We're an ARG hunting server
Vrow - Today at 8:18 PM
Hm... To avoid the "lurkers voting" issue, should we just make a list of active players then?
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:18 PM
newbies come on, see "oh you've got 2 args"
HqueDisc - Today at 8:18 PM
We can't have a bunch of channels for everything
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:18 PM
"they must not be that dedicated"
Nauthas - Today at 8:18 PM
My opinion is the opposite of Opls basically, We are supposed to be a community of solvers, having tonnes of arg's send the wrong message
Cubity_First - Today at 8:18 PM
We are dedicated
Svardskampe - Today at 8:19 PM
I agree with opl, imo this is like the 9 deck slots matter in hearthstone. You guys aren't too dumb to handle more than 9 deck slots/arg channels right?
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:19 PM
"we are a community revolving around args, look at the 2 args we have :D"
Cubity_First - Today at 8:19 PM
We spend most of our days doing this haha
Svardskampe - Today at 8:19 PM
and just pick and choose which you like
HqueDisc - Today at 8:19 PM
Shia La Beof discussion
Cubity_First - Today at 8:19 PM
Focus
Nauthas - Today at 8:19 PM
No Svard, it really isn't. Nothing will get solved with so many channels
bysam - Today at 8:19 PM
"we are a community resolving around args, look at the 9 inactive args we have :D"
HqueDisc - Today at 8:19 PM
What if a ARG is ded?
Crauss - Today at 8:19 PM
it is bullshit that nothing will be solved
Nauthas - Today at 8:19 PM
It gets archived and deleted
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:19 PM
@bysam at least we have args
opl - Today at 8:19 PM
some new people wont even know about certain args because of lack of dedicated channel
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:19 PM
Well certain people are active in specific ARG channels, without going to others.
Roxasbain - Today at 8:19 PM
The winterarg had plenty of channels
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:19 PM
As a whole we're working on ARGs but some of us are focusing on individual ones
Nauthas - Today at 8:20 PM
The winter arg was a single arg
Cubity_First - Today at 8:20 PM
Codi was due to start again. So just have the mods hide it incase it starts again.
bysam - Today at 8:20 PM
@Roxasbain That was different, very different
sarene - Today at 8:20 PM
@Roxasbain that's because this whole server was about one arg
HqueDisc - Today at 8:20 PM
"We are a community resolving around ARGs, look at our clusterheck of channels!"
Nauthas - Today at 8:20 PM
With way over 300 people participating actively
opl - Today at 8:20 PM
@Roxasbain that was during the times when we had 5000 people who were actualy active
HqueDisc - Today at 8:20 PM
We must get a solution for this.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:20 PM
the winter arg is not representative
Benolot - Today at 8:21 PM
Channel has been locked, please resume the topic of "What Criteria needs to be met to make an investigation channel" or goto #meta-chat
thank you.
opl - Today at 8:21 PM
imo the "many channels" solution is better than the "everything in a single channel - have fun catching up on a specific arg"
sarene - Today at 8:21 PM
that is the topic we're on, i think at least.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:21 PM
Don't cut off a channel half way through.
We were mid discussion.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:21 PM
Let's think about this.
Benolot - Today at 8:21 PM
Move it to #meta-chat then
Or stick to the question in hand for the meeting.
sarene - Today at 8:21 PM
and yeah just make a message in bold to make a point across instead of locking a channel mid discussion.
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:21 PM
Oh sure, let's have a meta meeting in a different channel.
sarene - Today at 8:21 PM
anyway
opl - Today at 8:22 PM
@sarene we switched to "which arg channels should we have?" instead of "when should we create investigation channels?"
Nauthas - Today at 8:22 PM
I think that convo is over
opl - Today at 8:22 PM
@Anarchy Malqua +1
Nauthas - Today at 8:22 PM
Case by case basis seems to be consensus
HqueDisc - Today at 8:22 PM
But that destroys the whole point of the Meta Meeting!
We meet here, talk about the topic!
amboyscout - Today at 8:22 PM
@Nauthas hit the nail on the head on the head along with me, and dino, and other people
sarene - Today at 8:22 PM
i agree with amboy, it should have activity in arg-general, a couple messages per hour, to be significant enough for a channel.
also, why was amboy's message removed? it was perfectly on topic
HqueDisc - Today at 8:22 PM
We need ARGs leading into something in order to get their own channel.
Nauthas - Today at 8:22 PM
I do agree with amboy, on when it should be removed. I don't however, think we should go by messages
HqueDisc - Today at 8:23 PM
That seems good?
Nauthas - Today at 8:23 PM
But users writing those messages
bysam - Today at 8:23 PM
Here is my suggestion: The ARG should be active / at least started on Reddit before being moved to a channel. A ARG with few participants is fine to be solved on Reddit.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:23 PM
Nailed it in the head.
sarene - Today at 8:23 PM
both users and messages per hour/day in arg-general.
amboyscout - Today at 8:23 PM
I removed it @sarene
Vrow - Today at 8:23 PM
To avoid the senseless creation of investigation channels, I'd say to send in some scout players and if they want a proper investigation channel, they'd have to prove it's worth it.
sarene - Today at 8:23 PM
ah yeah
amboyscout - Today at 8:23 PM
I forgot i didnt agree with myself on that
xD
bysam - Today at 8:23 PM
If the reddit threads surronding the ARG is active, make a channel.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:23 PM
Nailed it very hard!
Nauthas - Today at 8:23 PM
If I talk constantly, but am the only one there keeping it active, it's not really a good idea.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:23 PM
We could use the amount of reddit posts to make a judgment, gauge the popularity that way.
crash - Today at 8:24 PM
okay, this is my personal response regarding some of the issues that have been raised here:

regarding the number of channels at once:  personally, i like having a single channel for each ARG.  it helps to keep everything organized.  if i'm a wiki editor (which i am, btw) and i want to know more about a specific ARG, i'd really prefer to have all the ARGs in seperate chat channels.  there's really no problem with having a lot of channels.

regarding polling for creation of new channels: i don't like this idea, for a few reasons.  the first reason is that it's simply not convenient to hold a poll every time there's a new potential ARG.  the second reason is that whenever we hold a poll, there's inevitably going to be some people that were absent for the poll, who are then going to feel left out.  obviously, this problem could be solved by scheduling the poll in advance, but that's even less convenient.  it's far simpler to leave it up to the mods' discretion.

here's a possible solution: giving channels "inactive" status.  some channels, like #arg-codi and #arg-killyourinternet could be renamed to #inactive-arg-codi, and maybe moved to the bottom of the list of channels.  of course this raises the question: how should we determine when channels become inactive/become active again?  i think we could leave that up to the mods' discretion, since, as stated before, any other way is simply too inconvenient.

anyway, those are my thoughts on some of the issues you guys have raised.
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:24 PM
did we decide anything forsenC
amboyscout - Today at 8:24 PM
But reddit is unrepresentative
Cubity_First - Today at 8:24 PM
But reddut is inactive anyway
imnotgoats - Today at 8:24 PM
5 posts == interest.
amboyscout - Today at 8:24 PM
@imnotgoats
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:24 PM
Thats what I've been doing for reddit flairs at least @imnotgoats
HqueDisc - Today at 8:24 PM
Good.
Nauthas - Today at 8:24 PM
I suppose, I think, the question is more- when should we close an investigation?
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:24 PM
@crash you're a mod
Vrow - Today at 8:24 PM
I wouldn't recommend going with "gauging the popularity", it opens doors to spam.
bysam - Today at 8:24 PM
@imnotgoats Or one, very active, post.
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:24 PM
forsenC
amboyscout - Today at 8:24 PM
Some things never get to reddit, but are active here
Nauthas - Today at 8:24 PM
Investigations can be ongoing for ages
HqueDisc - Today at 8:24 PM
Close the ARG in case it leads to nothing for too much time.
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:24 PM
It works in reverse too @amboyscout
opl - Today at 8:24 PM
@imnotgoats no one posts on reddit if discussion is on discord. 2 separate communities
amboyscout - Today at 8:25 PM
Exactly @Sarcastic_Fantastic
HqueDisc - Today at 8:25 PM
Are we finished?
bysam - Today at 8:25 PM
New ARG pops ups -> reddit post is made -> active discussion in comments -> make channel.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:25 PM
@Nauthas I think it would be best to either have it change to an arg if you can confirm it, or remove it if it dies down
Cubity_First - Today at 8:25 PM
Reddit is just there for some announcements and the wiki.
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:25 PM
not yet @HqueDisc
sarene - Today at 8:25 PM
i agree with opl. i think the popularity on discord should matter the most
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:25 PM
mods are just naughty and want a lot of explanations
forsenC
amboyscout - Today at 8:25 PM
If people like it on reddit, let it be on reddit. If people like it here, let it be here. If people are active on both, let it be on both. @Sarcastic_Fantastic(edited)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:25 PM
Let's continue then. The ideas could work.
Nauthas - Today at 8:25 PM
So when do we class dying down?  We removed the superhot one because all evidence was falsified, not that the chat had died down, if I recall correctly
Benolot - Today at 8:26 PM
!!mute @!      DoNotSpamPls + 30 "Stick on topic please"
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:26 PM
okay
HqueDisc - Today at 8:26 PM
1. Send scouts to see if the ARG is leading
amboyscout - Today at 8:26 PM
If no signifigant progress has been made for 1 week a channel should be removed @Nauthas.
! DoNotSpamPls - Today at 8:26 PM
gonna stick
bysam - Today at 8:26 PM
Send scouts this aint starcraft. That's not how ARGs work.
sarene - Today at 8:26 PM
when there have been no new discoveries for a while i'd use. @Nauthas
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:26 PM
@amboyscout Significant progress is relative
Nauthas - Today at 8:26 PM
ok, so we put a one week timer on it? I can stick by that
amboyscout - Today at 8:26 PM
bysam is right
crash - Today at 8:26 PM
@amboyscout define "significant"
Cubity_First - Today at 8:27 PM
Any.
Like any leads.
amboyscout - Today at 8:27 PM
Case by case @crash
Cubity_First - Today at 8:27 PM
It changes per arg
amboyscout - Today at 8:27 PM
Like something that has any chance of mattering
Nauthas - Today at 8:27 PM
One week sounds like a nice timer on investigations. That turns investigation channels into more of a "temporary leads channel"
HqueDisc - Today at 8:27 PM
I think that by significant, he means like, leading into more and more.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:27 PM
@amboyscout if you are going to say case by case on that anyway, why not make the whole thing case by case?
imnotgoats - Today at 8:27 PM
I would like to make the point that the subreddit is a tool to be used, assists wiki editors and can potentially help bring casual users it. I think we should be using it more, at least to post milestones (though that in itself is another conversation)
amboyscout - Today at 8:27 PM
Because then it becomes TOO random and differentiated @Dr. Dino
imnotgoats - Today at 8:28 PM
Another suggestion would be to have people 'pledge interest' to ARGs
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:28 PM
fair point @amboyscout(edited)
Cubity_First - Today at 8:28 PM
And if an arg has significant progress in like 2 days. Then make it an arg not an investigation
HqueDisc - Today at 8:28 PM
imnotgoats We should about that next Meta Meeting
Nauthas - Today at 8:28 PM
I think that should be one of the later questions @imnotgoats how to make the sub more active?
bysam - Today at 8:28 PM
What is the problem with this: When an ARG is found, it will be discussed on reddit, if that discussion doesnt die, make a channel
amboyscout - Today at 8:28 PM
I think that some things are relative to the topic itself and some things should be a standard @Dr. Dino
Nauthas - Today at 8:28 PM
Doesn't need to be the next one, just at the end of this one
bysam - Today at 8:28 PM
Reddit is great for early-age ARG
opl - Today at 8:28 PM
@imnotgoats we should force it though. people use discord for a reason
TheEvilSocks - Today at 8:28 PM
@Cubity_First then the discussion about what is significant would start.
also hey guys
❤
Nauthas - Today at 8:28 PM
Yeah, not everything needs to be absolutely case by case
imnotgoats - Today at 8:28 PM
fair enough - I don't want to get stuck on the reddit here
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:28 PM
Hi socks
Currently the subreddit draws people to the discord
amboyscout - Today at 8:29 PM
Because if people like it on reddit but not here then we have no need for it here., and vice versa @bysam(edited)
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:29 PM
And as goats said holds all the other stuff
Nauthas - Today at 8:29 PM
Just because opening the channel is case by case, does not mean the closing should be
imnotgoats - Today at 8:29 PM
What about pledges? People pledging through some mechanism to a specific arg
and ones with enough pledges, move from general to their own chan
HqueDisc - Today at 8:29 PM
The only problem is... What Reddit does then?
bysam - Today at 8:29 PM
@amboyscout That's not what I meant. In the beggining of winterarg it was firstly discussed on reddit then discord
Most early-age ARG is discussed on reddit anyway
Cubity_First - Today at 8:29 PM
We need a more obvious banner thay shows the discord.
bysam - Today at 8:29 PM
Cus a post is made
HqueDisc - Today at 8:29 PM
Reddit becomes nothing but a tool to drag people in is not a good thing.
Nauthas - Today at 8:29 PM
As I see it, investigation channels should be a temporary channel to see if something is there- giving it a week is a good time to guage that
imnotgoats - Today at 8:29 PM
I'd like to put a pin in this subreddit conversation
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:30 PM
We recently added it to the welcome and sidebar @Cubity_First but could make it stand out more.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:30 PM
i know my comment started it, but let's keep on topic please
HqueDisc - Today at 8:30 PM
Let's continue
amboyscout - Today at 8:30 PM
If it is signifigant here in any of our channels then we should make an investigation channel. Otherwise leave it on reddit, and vice versa @bysam
HqueDisc - Today at 8:30 PM
Good,
Cubity_First - Today at 8:30 PM
It needs to have something obvious. Because the main of the community is here.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:30 PM
so we could do what we've been doing
Vrow - Today at 8:30 PM
@bysam The problem is that the subreddit and the discord are different communities. They splintered. They're not as connected as when it all started.
bysam - Today at 8:30 PM
Still not my point, but it is irrelevant.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:30 PM
have mods monitor the arg buzz manually
and create a chan when it's appropriate
HqueDisc - Today at 8:31 PM
Good idea.
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:31 PM
One case amboyscout is referring to could be the benanded ARG, we've had a couple posts on reddit (and have added flairs) about it, but little posts here, so haven't made a channel.(edited)
amboyscout - Today at 8:31 PM
@imnotgoats There we go
bysam - Today at 8:31 PM
@Vrow @amboyscout When an ARG is first found, a reddit post will be made, 99% of the times. -- See if that reddit post leads somewhere, then make a channel.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:31 PM
won't always suit everybody, but means that we have a consistent approach
HqueDisc - Today at 8:31 PM
And also it is very exclusive to like, the guys who made Shamwow, the Germans.
Nauthas - Today at 8:31 PM
Ok, I think we all agree on case by case opening
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:31 PM
Voting was suggested before, but instead of a 33% approval rating from everybody in the server, how about a majority approval rating from those who voted with a margin of error.
Nauthas - Today at 8:31 PM
How about closing?
amboyscout - Today at 8:31 PM
@bysam Read @Sarcastic_Fantastic above post
imnotgoats - Today at 8:31 PM
I will raise the reddit conversation for the next meeting.
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:31 PM
Could be done bi-weekly, strawpoll or bot polls
amboyscout - Today at 8:32 PM
@Anarchy Malqua ^5 Thats what was said already malqua(edited)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:32 PM
Bi weekly or weekly depending on how it goes.
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:32 PM
Nobody suggested the thing I said
You suggested 33% approval Amboy
Nauthas - Today at 8:32 PM
I agree with amboys earlier comment that investigations should be up for a week. Then it should either be an ARG by then or we can almost safely say it's either nothing, or the community isn't interested enough in it
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:32 PM
@Anarchy Malqua there is a whole sort of science about why you can or cannot do that, Id prefer not to get into that
opl - Today at 8:32 PM
biweekly is too often
unless that means "once every 2 weeks"
amboyscout - Today at 8:32 PM
33% approval means 33% voted yes
bysam - Today at 8:32 PM
Or, the rational approach; we just trust the mods to do their job and open a channel when appropiate.
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:32 PM
No Amboy
HqueDisc - Today at 8:32 PM
Lol no
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:32 PM
That's for everybody on the server
Nauthas - Today at 8:33 PM
I don't think paint by percent is a good idea
imnotgoats - Today at 8:33 PM
it does @opl, 'fortnightly'(edited)
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:33 PM
I'm saying only the people who vote
Vrow - Today at 8:33 PM
Should we try to advertise ARGs if it means getting the community's attention then?
Nauthas - Today at 8:33 PM
No matter what
opl - Today at 8:33 PM
@imnotgoats yes. whatever that means
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:33 PM
If people vote that means there's interest
Otherwise, people who don't care won't even fuckign see it.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:33 PM
ok
quick regroup:
bysam - Today at 8:34 PM
(Why was this topic brought up? Is anyone complaining about the current system?)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:34 PM
We could like, have a channel for starting from where it ended in an ARG.
Nauthas - Today at 8:34 PM
Yeah me bysam
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:34 PM
@bysam nuathas brou~(edited)
yes
amboyscout - Today at 8:34 PM
What @HqueDisc
bysam - Today at 8:34 PM
pm please
imnotgoats - Today at 8:34 PM
most people think the case-by-case mod intervention route works, a few people have some alternative suggestions
Nauthas - Today at 8:34 PM
Just say what you need to in meta, bysam.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:34 PM
Topics are added in the suggestion box reddit thread.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:35 PM
@amboyscout I mean like, a channel to continue ARGs in case it leads to new stuff.
amboyscout - Today at 8:35 PM
#arg-general
Wala
Magic
Cubity_First - Today at 8:35 PM
He's right.
Nauthas - Today at 8:35 PM
I think case by case is best for opening, and after 1 week of investigation it should be confirmed or deleted.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:35 PM
It makes my eyes shine.
amboyscout - Today at 8:35 PM
not to mention #general-discussion
Cubity_First - Today at 8:35 PM
Arg general is for that.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:35 PM
So yeah we are done then.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:35 PM
If an arg picks up again. A mod will recreate the channel.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:35 PM
@Cubity_First is correct
bysam - Today at 8:36 PM
I believe the "1 week"-rule is terrible. An ARG can be confirmed within 5 minutes.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:36 PM
does anybody else have anything valid to add at this point?
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:36 PM
I agree with @bysam
HqueDisc - Today at 8:36 PM
We have almost a solution to everything.
opl - Today at 8:36 PM
@Cubity_First its apparently also for all other args which dont deserve a channel because "too little activity"
imnotgoats - Today at 8:36 PM
@bysam - this can be reviewed
amboyscout - Today at 8:36 PM
@Nauthas No, not one week of investigation. There may not me enough evidence to confirm or remove
Cubity_First - Today at 8:36 PM
For something like codi. It should be hidden. But not deleted.
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:36 PM
We can't please everyone, some people want a channel for every arg, some people don't want more channels.
opl - Today at 8:36 PM
strict 1 week wont necessarily work in some cases
Nauthas - Today at 8:36 PM
Ok, so how do we work out when to remove an investigation?
HqueDisc - Today at 8:36 PM
What we do then?
amboyscout - Today at 8:36 PM
The 1 week rule should only be for removal and only if something is inactive
imnotgoats - Today at 8:37 PM
i think it should be a loose one week
HqueDisc - Today at 8:37 PM
Good!
amboyscout - Today at 8:37 PM
@imnotgoats Yeah
Nauthas - Today at 8:37 PM
yeah basically
imnotgoats - Today at 8:37 PM
again, we are relying on the discernment of mods
Nauthas - Today at 8:37 PM
That's what I agree with
imnotgoats - Today at 8:37 PM
so the week is a guide
not a rule
HqueDisc - Today at 8:37 PM
Metaphoric nailing in the head.
Nauthas - Today at 8:37 PM
About one week, if there's still active things happening then ofc that should be extended until people grow quiet or solve something
amboyscout - Today at 8:37 PM
Exactly. And we can remove something in 1 hour if need be. like if its confirmed fake(edited)
crash - Today at 8:37 PM
that sounds reasonable
HqueDisc - Today at 8:38 PM
All good to go?
imnotgoats - Today at 8:38 PM
so the result is, as i see it: Mod Discernment
amboyscout - Today at 8:38 PM
Exactly @imnotgoats
imnotgoats - Today at 8:38 PM
I think we're ready to move on
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:38 PM
I agree
HqueDisc - Today at 8:38 PM
So much nailing in the head.
bysam - Today at 8:38 PM
Agreed
sarene - Today at 8:38 PM
yeah i also agree
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:38 PM
I agree, mods should have jobs to do.
crash - Today at 8:38 PM
any final thoughts on the topic?
Benolot - Today at 8:38 PM
We have discussed all points, does anyone else have further questions to propose?
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:38 PM
Judging activity is one.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:38 PM
Let's close for a discussion from the mods.
Nauthas - Today at 8:39 PM
Ok then, back to subreddit chat?
sarene - Today at 8:39 PM
@Benolot the subreddit question, if there's still time
imnotgoats - Today at 8:39 PM
ok
Nauthas - Today at 8:39 PM
How to make the subreddit more active?
HqueDisc - Today at 8:39 PM
The mods should discuss if it's alright.
Benolot - Today at 8:39 PM
Sure
imnotgoats - Today at 8:39 PM
let's do subreddit
Benolot - Today at 8:39 PM
another 20 mins @sarene
Vrow - Today at 8:39 PM
In regarding to calling more players to ARGs, should we try to advertise them like we did with Eye Sigil?
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:39 PM
I would like to propose another topic once we are done btw(edited)
imnotgoats - Today at 8:39 PM
BEFORE we start(edited)
can we have a clear question to discuss
Svardskampe - Today at 8:39 PM
we need an influx of people, just more people will automatically mean more subreddit activity
amboyscout - Today at 8:39 PM
Can i propose a more specified topic in \relation to subreddit activity @Benolot(edited)
As to narrow discussion
opl - Today at 8:39 PM
@amboyscout right now would be a good time, since theres no proper conversation on any topic yet
imnotgoats - Today at 8:40 PM
2 part question:
amboyscout - Today at 8:40 PM
I am suggesting a new discord role. This would be something along the lines of subreddit manager or activity  promoter(edited)
Benolot - Today at 8:40 PM
Sure @amboyscout
HqueDisc - Today at 8:40 PM
Meta-Meeting is the best thing ever made since sliced toast. And /r/gamedetectives should be just as fine as it is. Let's see what we could improve or not.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:40 PM
1. Should Discord users be encouraged to share discoveries and milestones on reddit
amboyscout - Today at 8:40 PM
Yes
HqueDisc - Today at 8:40 PM
YES.
bysam - Today at 8:40 PM
I would like to propose a community effort to post milestones/summaries of ARG progression to reddit. It was great during winterarg.
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:40 PM
I dont see why not @imnotgoats
sarene - Today at 8:40 PM
is there any disagreement with that?
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:40 PM
No
amboyscout - Today at 8:40 PM
Subresddit is our main source of new users(edited)
HqueDisc - Today at 8:41 PM
This is just yes.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:41 PM
2. How can we generally boost the subreddit and therefore increase the discord footprint
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:41 PM
The subreddit should be shut down and should redirect to a discord invite link.
opl - Today at 8:41 PM
@sarene yes there is nvm(edited)
imnotgoats - Today at 8:41 PM
so lets focus on 1. first
amboyscout - Today at 8:41 PM
Shush malqua
Stop being milkgames
HqueDisc - Today at 8:41 PM
More activity?
Vrow - Today at 8:41 PM
1- Yes, sharing the discoveries and milestones can rouse the excitement in players and want them to at least know what's going on. The best part would be if they wanted to join the fray as well.
Benolot - Today at 8:41 PM
@amboyscout Please refrain from that
amboyscout - Today at 8:41 PM
k
HqueDisc - Today at 8:41 PM
1 Already boosts up 2.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:41 PM
I agree @Vrow
Benolot - Today at 8:42 PM
We are already going to make mega threads for all new args
We are gonna make one for Esgossip after the meeting
imnotgoats - Today at 8:42 PM
I personally think the subreddit should be used as a tool to mark events and draw in casual ARGers
bysam - Today at 8:42 PM
The way to get activity/lurkers/press attention is to make it "lurkable". A chatroom is a pain in the ass to lurk-read, milestone posts are not.
Benolot - Today at 8:42 PM
Thats already been decided
TheEvilSocks - Today at 8:42 PM
I personally see the subreddit as an archive
HqueDisc - Today at 8:42 PM
If people are knowing cool stuff is happening, they should be doing more stuff on Reddit and getting to use Discord as well.
Nauthas - Today at 8:42 PM
I can't see much way to get the subreddit active then, sorry for the brutal wording but, whoring ourselves out
imnotgoats - Today at 8:42 PM
by the users I mean
amboyscout - Today at 8:42 PM
Quick diversion, we need a stickied thread linking to all of the mega threads @Benolot
opl - Today at 8:42 PM
@imnotgoats >wiki
sarene - Today at 8:42 PM
reddit has thousands of people on it that can stumble across us. you can't "stumble across" a discord chat, unless you find a way to get to it; in this way the subreddit if you search for arg-related things. the posting of milestones and such encourages that.
Benolot - Today at 8:43 PM
@amboyscout They will be stickied
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:43 PM
You can only sticky two posts beno
imnotgoats - Today at 8:43 PM
@opl, sometimes it may be a question or discussion - I'm more thinking of before things are ready to be documented
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:43 PM
problem is we need like 5 stikies at the time
HqueDisc - Today at 8:43 PM
@sarene Right.
amboyscout - Today at 8:43 PM
You cant sticky all of the mega threads if we have 3-4 args going xD @Benolot(edited)
Nauthas - Today at 8:43 PM
Have a sticky telling people to check the wiki- most people don't know that reddit wiki's are a thing that are used
Benolot - Today at 8:43 PM
it's only gonna be for new args
HqueDisc - Today at 8:43 PM
Too much stuff to stick.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:43 PM
also to involve sub-only users in some of the 'call to arms' on things
Benolot - Today at 8:43 PM
@Nauthas Thats inside the "Welcome to /r/gamedetectives"
opl - Today at 8:43 PM
@imnotgoats thats kind of what wiki editors do. they collect information and convert it into wiki form
Nauthas - Today at 8:43 PM
Oh, I never actually read that- nor did most people probably
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:44 PM
@Nauthas regarding that, that's why we made changes to the subreddit CSS to highlight the wiki more.
Although more could be done.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:44 PM
"Welcome to /r/gamedetectives. We have a lot of ARGs going on. Which one do you wanna join?"
bysam - Today at 8:44 PM
If you want "casual arg:ers"-attention you have to make milestone posts, I hardly see how that is a discussion.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:44 PM
yes, I'm not talking so much about documentation as much as live discoveries/investigations
crash - Today at 8:44 PM
i think the single best thing we could do to make the subreddit better is to make the wiki more visible
opl - Today at 8:44 PM
@imnotgoats for live you go to discord
imnotgoats - Today at 8:44 PM
i'm talking about users and not just mods tho
HqueDisc - Today at 8:44 PM
"Here are some milestones in the ARGs. Check daily to see if there's something new!"
imnotgoats - Today at 8:45 PM
encouraging everyone to use it as a tool
Nauthas - Today at 8:45 PM
"milestone posts" Literally the wiki. It contains the entire milestones of all the ARG's and every single thing there in
HqueDisc - Today at 8:45 PM
This will attract people to do more ARGs.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:45 PM
not just like an official documentation
bysam - Today at 8:45 PM
But a wiki change doesnt pop up on a casual-arg:ers frontpage
A post does.
opl - Today at 8:45 PM
im not saying we shouldnt have anything on reddit. again, its just that discord is what most people use, and forcing the usage of reddit isnt going to bring much good. it needs to naturally fit into the puzzle somehow
HqueDisc - Today at 8:45 PM
But who is immediately going to the wiki just to know if there is a new milestone?
Nauthas - Today at 8:45 PM
Unless you want a post which just links to the wiki pages like "Hey here are the milestones (copies and pastes args)
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:45 PM
Milestones in ARGs are something we want to include in the weekly update posts, and to be fair people already post big discoveries in ARGs on the subreddit already.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:45 PM
during the winter 2015 steam sale, there was a huge amount of activity
crash - Today at 8:45 PM
that's why we need to make the wiki more visible
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:45 PM
@Nauthas its why I suggested like a month ago to have wiki editors post anything they would add to a wiki to a mega thread in a way more dumbed down version
opl - Today at 8:45 PM
@HqueDisc in theory anyone who wakes up
imnotgoats - Today at 8:45 PM
things like "i noticed this - what do you think", the wiki is not appropriate for this
@Dr. Dino this is the kind of thing i'm talking about
HqueDisc - Today at 8:46 PM
@opl Unless they are a zombie or something.
Nauthas - Today at 8:46 PM
Issue with that Dino is you're telling the wiki editors to do more work then they already are- many of us don't take to that
HqueDisc - Today at 8:46 PM
Back into topic,
opl - Today at 8:46 PM
@imnotgoats yes. youre describing discord
imnotgoats - Today at 8:46 PM
discord doesn't stick in the same way
bysam - Today at 8:46 PM
But a wiki change doesnt pop up on a casual-arg:ers frontpage
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:46 PM
@Nauthas im talking about a single sentence at a time here tho
imnotgoats - Today at 8:46 PM
and we're not a discord-only community
Nauthas - Today at 8:46 PM
Ugh... I've got to go soon but I've still got a question to ask, I can afford 10 more minutes, it's a quick question
HqueDisc - Today at 8:47 PM
Discord is real-time discussion.
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:47 PM
In my mind when I proposed the megathread idea, is that it would be less about information and more about links to wiki articles and solving resources.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:47 PM
@Sarcastic_Fantastic I agree
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:47 PM
So if someone wants to work on a specific ARG they can get to the things they need from that thread.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:47 PM
Good.
opl - Today at 8:47 PM
@imnotgoats not saying we are. once again, im saying that reddit has to feel to use natural for people to actually use it. otherwise itll be forced and only for advertisement
HqueDisc - Today at 8:47 PM
Anything more to think about guys?
imnotgoats - Today at 8:48 PM
but questions/comments thoughts are valuable for buzz
bysam - Today at 8:48 PM
@HqueDisc With all due respect, stop
HqueDisc - Today at 8:48 PM
Ok.
bysam - Today at 8:48 PM
thanks
imnotgoats - Today at 8:48 PM
@opl that's completely reasonable
opl - Today at 8:48 PM
@imnotgoats what is?
HqueDisc - Today at 8:48 PM
Btw We should look into the idea of getting people to know Discord.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:49 PM
i guess i'm talking about making it a natural part of people's ARG experience
Dr. Dino - Today at 8:49 PM
@HqueDisc pls stay on topic
HqueDisc - Today at 8:49 PM
I like the idea of showing to people Discord, but it feels like...
bysam - Today at 8:49 PM
@Anarchy Malqua +1
HqueDisc - Today at 8:49 PM
Dunno.
We need to balance how we use the two.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:49 PM
@opl agreeing with your comment about making reddit feel natural
Maudima - Today at 8:50 PM
Well Discord for discussion and the reddit for findings?
HqueDisc - Today at 8:50 PM
We may give too much attencion to one, and the other becomes less used.
Well,
imnotgoats - Today at 8:50 PM
ok, I think this one might be best to re-raise next meeting
HqueDisc - Today at 8:50 PM
Yeah.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:50 PM
after we all have a chance to build some suggestions
and bring them ready
HqueDisc - Today at 8:50 PM
Take your time.
opl - Today at 8:50 PM
@HqueDisc you do realize its currently the other way around, right? currently discord is the more active one
HqueDisc - Today at 8:50 PM
Yeah opl
We should have stuff too on Reddit.
We as a group were born from reddit.
Vrow - Today at 8:51 PM
How would we make the subreddit more natural then? Should we post more often? Should we try calling out for more people?
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:51 PM
If we want to grow as a community though advertising the Discord on the surbeddit is what we need to do.
Benolot - Today at 8:51 PM
@bysam On topic please.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:51 PM
i think it's up to the whole community to make use of what we have at our disposal
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:51 PM
As well as promoting more posts on the subreddit.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:51 PM
as growth keeps the discord vibrant
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:51 PM
We should buy fancy reddit adspace
HqueDisc - Today at 8:51 PM
My opinion is that about this, we should take our time.
Lol
Svardskampe - Today at 8:52 PM
does reddit show ads?
HqueDisc - Today at 8:52 PM
Stay on topic
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:52 PM
Yes
HqueDisc - Today at 8:52 PM
Yes
imnotgoats - Today at 8:52 PM
i think it's about people wanting to use it, and seeing a valid use for it
Anarchy Malqua - Today at 8:52 PM
It's under the sidebar, they promote other subreddits
Vrow - Today at 8:52 PM
Should we try a youtube video? Spread video news? We need a plan if we want to attract more people.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:52 PM
We should balance the promotion for the two.
Cubity_First - Today at 8:52 PM
@Svardskampe Yes, but if you install the mobile app you get 3 months of reddit gold for free and ad free for that time, and some more
imnotgoats - Today at 8:52 PM
but I think we should close this discussion for now and bump it right to the next meeting
Cubity_First - Today at 8:53 PM
Camera isnt needed
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:53 PM
I mean take The Lab for example, yes its Valve, but a lot of audio analysis and speculation was taking place there.
bysam - Today at 8:53 PM
We dont need to advertise - an interesting enough ARG will do it itself
imnotgoats - Today at 8:53 PM
as I'm not sure we'll reach a consensus right now
Benolot - Today at 8:53 PM
Locking channel.
imnotgoats - Today at 8:53 PM
on topic please
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:53 PM
And seeing a bunch of links is easier there instead of scrolling though tons of chat.
HqueDisc - Today at 8:53 PM
I bet on The Lab
Sarcastic_Fantastic - Today at 8:53 PM
welp
Benolot - Today at 8:53 PM
Channel locked.
Thank you for your time and thoughts
Summery will be posted on the wiki and subreddit soon.