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  1. [22:04:58] %Koiro恋色: are ppl here yet
  2. [22:05:00] %ANALYTIC ♜: Okay hey everyone
  3. [22:05:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: is tibbz here
  4. [22:05:12] %ANALYTIC ♜: We're doing a workshop today
  5. [22:05:16] %Koiro恋色: tibbz isnt going to be here for the most of it anyway
  6. [22:05:22] %Koiro恋色: im more talking about AA
  7. [22:05:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: The RMT and CT room are collab for dis
  8. [22:05:30] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh should i voice our ct guests?
  9. [22:05:35] %ANALYTIC ♜: y
  10. [22:05:37] %ANALYTIC ♜: Pls
  11. [22:05:39] @tibbz: Im here ish!
  12. [22:05:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i see sunny, but i dont see attack
  13. [22:05:42] %gradeagarchomp ✈: allattack can't get here
  14. [22:05:45] %gradeagarchomp ✈: it's like 4 am for him
  15. [22:05:50] %gradeagarchomp ✈: 3 w/e
  16. [22:05:50] %ANALYTIC ♜: Sunny is herw
  17. [22:05:54] SunnyORAS was promoted to Room Voice by Futatsuiwa of Sado.
  18. [22:06:06] +SunnyORAS: Ah hello n.n
  19. [22:06:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: Okay so it's just us?
  20. [22:06:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i believe so, yes
  21. [22:06:28] %Koiro恋色: so our lineup is Futatsuiwa of Sado, ANALYTIC, myself, and SunnyORAS?
  22. [22:06:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and tibbz "ish" i guess
  23. [22:06:45] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yeah. Aight what's our first core
  24. [22:06:51] %Koiro恋色: do u want me to grab one
  25. [22:06:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: Sure
  26. [22:07:00] %ANALYTIC ♜: Then sunny
  27. [22:07:00] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i have the list here
  28. [22:07:03] @tibbz: Is everyone voiced modchat on all that good stuff
  29. [22:07:04] %ANALYTIC ♜: And then ill pick
  30. [22:07:04] +SunnyORAS: Keep in mind im helping from phone :x
  31. [22:07:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think so tibbz, im not forgetting anyone am i?
  32. [22:07:18] +SunnyORAS: If thats k w you guys
  33. [22:07:19] %ANALYTIC ♜: Nedor
  34. [22:07:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: Aint here
  35. [22:07:27] +SunnyORAS: Yeah where is nedor
  36. [22:07:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: he said he had like graduation to go to
  37. [22:07:38] +SunnyORAS: Is he in ou rn?
  38. [22:07:43] %ANALYTIC ♜: No
  39. [22:07:45] +SunnyORAS: Ohh
  40. [22:07:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: Let's just start
  41. [22:07:47] %Koiro恋色: ok choices are between: mega diancie + kyurem-b
  42. [22:07:48] +SunnyORAS: Rip
  43. [22:07:48] %Koiro恋色: bisharp + mega latias
  44. [22:07:49] %Koiro恋色: thundurus + breloom
  45. [22:07:55] %Koiro恋色: or bisharp + mega scizor
  46. [22:08:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and medicham+thundurus or manectric+bisharp
  47. [22:08:06] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lets of bisharp
  48. [22:08:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lots*
  49. [22:08:21] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: should we just go in order from the first to the last?
  50. [22:08:25] +SunnyORAS: Sure
  51. [22:08:26] %ANALYTIC ♜: I like Bish and Sciz
  52. [22:08:28] @tibbz: I was about to say lots of bish love
  53. [22:08:35] %Koiro恋色: i think bish sciz seems cool too
  54. [22:08:36] +SunnyORAS: Bish+msciz is hot
  55. [22:08:36] @tibbz: Yeah i vote steel spam also
  56. [22:08:39] %Koiro恋色: i kinda wanna start with that
  57. [22:08:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: sure lets start with that then
  58. [22:08:45] %ANALYTIC ♜: Okay let's begin
  59. [22:08:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: do u have specific sets?
  60. [22:08:58] %ANALYTIC ♜: Someone keep a pastebin log of this btw
  61. [22:09:01] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/PbidmSDM
  62. [22:09:07] %Koiro恋色: yeah ill keep logs of this whole thing
  63. [22:09:07] +SunnyORAS: Sd sharp+sd sharp y/n
  64. [22:09:13] +SunnyORAS: *sd sciz
  65. [22:09:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: Imo Ada LO Bish fits better
  66. [22:09:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: considering the core is about breaking down mutual checks, then yes i agree
  67. [22:09:45] %Koiro恋色: i prefer lum to weaken stuff like rotom, talon etc
  68. [22:09:52] %Koiro恋色: msab too
  69. [22:09:57] +SunnyORAS: Lum is cool i suppose
  70. [22:09:59] @tibbz: Yeah i was going to say lum bish
  71. [22:10:32] %ANALYTIC ♜: I've this build in mind that will rid the relying on Lum bish
  72. [22:10:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: We can edit it later on
  73. [22:10:43] %Koiro恋色: so yeah the core obviously lends itself to a more offensive build
  74. [22:10:43] @tibbz: Okay
  75. [22:10:45] +SunnyORAS: Lum bish lets tou toss rotomw if its a slower msciz wet by chance
  76. [22:10:50] +SunnyORAS: *set
  77. [22:10:58] +SunnyORAS: Ok analytic
  78. [22:11:13] %ANALYTIC ♜: The sets I mean
  79. [22:11:25] %Koiro恋色: does anyone want to lead off with an idea/partner for the core
  80. [22:11:27] %ANALYTIC ♜: So sciz plus bish
  81. [22:11:36] %ANALYTIC ♜: What's our fight and fire resist
  82. [22:11:44] %ANALYTIC ♜: I was thinking Slowbro
  83. [22:11:51] +SunnyORAS: Ah bro
  84. [22:11:57] %Koiro恋色: since ur running a more offensive build, i feel like itd be smarter to try find something that could support the wincons
  85. [22:12:05] %ANALYTIC ♜: TankChomp
  86. [22:12:21] +SunnyORAS: Tank chomp or lead landot was always goinf to be on it i suppose
  87. [22:12:26] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yeah
  88. [22:12:52] @tibbz: Well yeah
  89. [22:12:56] +SunnyORAS: Id be running mix def slowling maybe or slowbro with a dash of sp.def
  90. [22:13:02] +SunnyORAS: For volcanio.
  91. [22:13:17] @tibbz: Standard ish set then
  92. [22:13:19] +SunnyORAS: And keld
  93. [22:14:43] %Koiro恋色: i feel like hwish might be a pretty decent idea with latias on a build like this, why would you sap all the offensive pressure of a core like bish + sd sciz
  94. [22:14:50] %ANALYTIC ♜: That's true
  95. [22:14:53] %Koiro恋色: with a fatter, slower, more passive pokemon
  96. [22:15:05] +SunnyORAS: Hey does it have to be
  97. [22:15:11] %Koiro恋色: latias gives u a water resist, keldeo switchin which is a p big annoyance
  98. [22:15:12] +SunnyORAS: Mscizor necessarily?
  99. [22:15:15] %Koiro恋色: also hwishes
  100. [22:15:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: Y'all
  101. [22:15:22] %Koiro恋色: considering both sciz and bish setup on ttar
  102. [22:15:27] %Koiro恋色: if it tries to pursuit trap latias
  103. [22:15:31] %ANALYTIC ♜: Ignoring the fire type weakness big-time
  104. [22:15:32] %Koiro恋色: that seems like a pretty good idea
  105. [22:15:51] +SunnyORAS: I think slowking or smth is kind of needed :x
  106. [22:15:54] %Koiro恋色: we have 3 other slots if we have sciz bish lati
  107. [22:16:07] %Koiro恋色: we can cover the fire weakness in those 3 slots without adding a momentum sap
  108. [22:16:13] +SunnyORAS: What do you reckon fits the bill?
  109. [22:16:23] +SunnyORAS: With sciz bish lati
  110. [22:16:31] +SunnyORAS: Slowbro makes little sense
  111. [22:16:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well we could use a bird check i guess?
  112. [22:16:36] +SunnyORAS: Gyarados?
  113. [22:16:43] %Koiro恋色: i think in general you want to at least try and keep the team a bit more offensive, so something like chomp or lando
  114. [22:16:46] %Koiro恋色: makes the most sense to me
  115. [22:16:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: thats what i was thinking as well once we add lati
  116. [22:17:15] +SunnyORAS: Chomp/lati/gyara/bish/sciz...?
  117. [22:17:50] %Koiro恋色: considering we could also run surf on latias to lure heatran too :o
  118. [22:17:58] +SunnyORAS: Ah why not
  119. [22:18:00] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ooh that sounds cool
  120. [22:18:01] +SunnyORAS: Eq latias
  121. [22:18:03] +SunnyORAS: The god
  122. [22:18:11] %Koiro恋色: surf 2hkoes max hp heatran, and if tran is slow, sciz outspeeds and superpowers it
  123. [22:18:16] +SunnyORAS: The rarest of rare lures used by tesung
  124. [22:18:20] %Koiro恋色: i think surf hwish draco + filler is a smart idea
  125. [22:18:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well earthquake does do more to heatran
  126. [22:18:52] %Koiro恋色: latias also gives a check to electrics too, which are usually annoying to steels bc resistance
  127. [22:18:57] %Koiro恋色: yes but surf also weakens grounrds
  128. [22:18:59] %Koiro恋色: grounds*
  129. [22:19:01] +SunnyORAS: If tran is your goal then yeah
  130. [22:19:02] %Koiro恋色: like hippo. lando etc
  131. [22:19:17] +SunnyORAS: Also you probably should run the so.def benchmark on chomp
  132. [22:19:39] +SunnyORAS: In addition to having latias just so that stuff like mmanec/raim dont murk
  133. [22:19:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: my only issue with the core is the heavy talon weakness
  134. [22:19:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: and i dont think it'll be relieved
  135. [22:20:05] +SunnyORAS: It wont probably
  136. [22:20:06] %ANALYTIC ♜: uunless you add something liie a bro
  137. [22:20:07] %Koiro恋色: lando or chomp should be fine vs offensive talon
  138. [22:20:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah which is why i was considering something like lando or chomp to help with that as of now
  139. [22:20:15] %Koiro恋色: and defensive talon loses to surf lati + lum bisharp
  140. [22:20:19] %Koiro恋色: its not rly a problem
  141. [22:20:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: maybe fast landorus+Tang
  142. [22:20:30] %ANALYTIC ♜: is somethin we can add
  143. [22:20:31] +SunnyORAS: Defensive talon will have
  144. [22:20:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: tang helps with loom
  145. [22:20:46] +SunnyORAS: Some room to manouvre tho
  146. [22:20:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: sand
  147. [22:21:00] +SunnyORAS: I just think sp.def wow is irritating in general
  148. [22:21:03] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeah it definitely will
  149. [22:21:06] +SunnyORAS: Rocky helm phys def tang
  150. [22:21:11] +SunnyORAS: Probably fits best ngl
  151. [22:21:23] %ANALYTIC ♜: koiro whatcha think of fast lando
  152. [22:21:37] %Koiro恋色: fast lando seems rly smart
  153. [22:21:38] @tibbz: Scarf or just fast?
  154. [22:21:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: fast sr
  155. [22:21:43] %Koiro恋色: as long as it has a bit of bulk
  156. [22:21:46] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeah
  157. [22:21:51] +SunnyORAS: Fast sr huh
  158. [22:21:54] +SunnyORAS: Sd sr?
  159. [22:21:58] %ANALYTIC ♜: 290 speed
  160. [22:22:05] %Koiro恋色: probably like yache or smth
  161. [22:22:08] %ANALYTIC ♜: should reach it rather
  162. [22:22:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: hmm
  163. [22:22:17] +SunnyORAS: Yeah that had better be rocky helm tang then
  164. [22:22:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: that sounds nice
  165. [22:22:23] +SunnyORAS: Gotta account for mlop!
  166. [22:22:38] %ANALYTIC ♜: yup
  167. [22:22:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: 290 would speed tie with standard breaker talonflame,
  168. [22:22:46] %ANALYTIC ♜: 288
  169. [22:22:52] %ANALYTIC ♜: is what univested reaches
  170. [22:22:56] +SunnyORAS: Creep!!
  171. [22:23:02] +SunnyORAS: Youre crweping by two
  172. [22:23:06] +SunnyORAS: Should be enough
  173. [22:23:11] %Koiro恋色: so wait u want jolly landorus as ur rocker to check talonflame
  174. [22:23:12] @tibbz: Thats fine though right offensove tdlame doesnt have wisp
  175. [22:23:22] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: most talon run 8 speed to outspeed kyub and burn it
  176. [22:23:24] @tibbz: And the other builds are slower
  177. [22:23:43] %ANALYTIC ♜: sciz / bish / latias / landorus / tangrowth
  178. [22:23:47] %ANALYTIC ♜: hmm
  179. [22:23:51] %ANALYTIC ♜: oh wait
  180. [22:23:55] %Koiro恋色: i still dont get why theres a tangrowth on this offense
  181. [22:24:01] +SunnyORAS: Gyarados y/n
  182. [22:24:19] %ANALYTIC ♜: koiro havent u seen the modern offense builds
  183. [22:24:21] +SunnyORAS: Tang is there as gwneric check to stuff
  184. [22:24:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: yes
  185. [22:24:27] +SunnyORAS: Like sand
  186. [22:24:30] +SunnyORAS: And mlop
  187. [22:24:37] %Koiro恋色: ive seen modern balance builds
  188. [22:24:40] %Koiro恋色: or even bulky offense
  189. [22:24:40] +SunnyORAS: That generallt theeaten offense
  190. [22:24:52] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeah i mean the utility is great
  191. [22:24:53] %ANALYTIC ♜: plus
  192. [22:25:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: counterplay to tar+whatever combos
  193. [22:25:31] %ANALYTIC ♜: you always need two water resists in oras
  194. [22:25:42] +SunnyORAS: What do you reckon fits last slot
  195. [22:26:05] %ANALYTIC ♜: we need a water
  196. [22:26:07] +SunnyORAS: I want snekky snek the gyarados
  197. [22:26:13] +SunnyORAS: :x
  198. [22:26:13] %ANALYTIC ♜: keldeo or gyara
  199. [22:26:26] +SunnyORAS: Ah keldeo is definitely an option
  200. [22:26:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: fire resist
  201. [22:26:31] %ANALYTIC ♜: yup
  202. [22:26:31] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i like keldeo here tbh
  203. [22:26:35] @tibbz: Whats a bigger isse mlop or rflame
  204. [22:26:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: talonj
  205. [22:26:42] +SunnyORAS: Flame prolly
  206. [22:26:54] +Skarmx2: o Grats SunnyORAS!
  207. [22:27:00] @tibbz: Well gyara the if thats tru
  208. [22:27:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: Skarmx2 its temporary xP
  209. [22:27:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: workshop
  210. [22:27:06] +Skarmx2: o
  211. [22:27:09] +Skarmx2: lol
  212. [22:27:11] @tibbz: Lol rekt
  213. [22:27:17] +SunnyORAS: Gg
  214. [22:27:44] %ANALYTIC ♜: koiro
  215. [22:27:49] %ANALYTIC ♜: what are your thoughts
  216. [22:27:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait so we are using lum bish correct?
  217. [22:27:54] +SunnyORAS: Y
  218. [22:27:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: whatever works
  219. [22:28:12] +SunnyORAS: Lum bish also helps with mew which looks like an issues
  220. [22:28:13] %Koiro恋色: im a few steps behind, im not quite on this bandwagon
  221. [22:28:16] %Koiro恋色: gimme a minute
  222. [22:28:31] +Skarmx2: whats the team?
  223. [22:28:41] @tibbz: Im just saying if were so concerned about tflame keldeo does not help
  224. [22:28:54] %ANALYTIC ♜: sciz / bish / latias / landorus / tangrowth
  225. [22:28:56] +SunnyORAS: Oki
  226. [22:28:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: atm
  227. [22:28:57] %Koiro恋色: the whole 2 water resist thing
  228. [22:29:02] %Koiro恋色: i thought since this is an offense team
  229. [22:29:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lum sd bish l offensive mega sciz l surf latias l offensive lando l tangrowth
  230. [22:29:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if im on the right page
  231. [22:29:08] %Koiro恋色: something like azumarill woudl be better
  232. [22:29:10] %ANALYTIC ♜: ye
  233. [22:29:14] +Skarmx2: o ok
  234. [22:29:14] %ANALYTIC ♜: that can work
  235. [22:29:16] @tibbz: There you go
  236. [22:29:17] +SunnyORAS: Azu ded fits
  237. [22:29:21] %ANALYTIC ♜: bd azu
  238. [22:29:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: priority spam
  239. [22:29:30] %ANALYTIC ♜: !!!
  240. [22:29:34] +SunnyORAS: Wheee
  241. [22:29:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ooh yas
  242. [22:29:34] %Koiro恋色: im not sure it needs to be bd with 2 other sd mons
  243. [22:29:39] %Koiro恋色: but lum seems nice
  244. [22:29:45] +SunnyORAS: Avest could...work?
  245. [22:29:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait is it sd lando?
  246. [22:30:00] +SunnyORAS: I want to say avest or lum or smth
  247. [22:30:12] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well
  248. [22:30:12] %Koiro恋色: i have tankchomp on this variant, i think its way more needed to deter scizor bisharp etc
  249. [22:30:18] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ferro actualyl looks pretty annoying
  250. [22:30:24] %Koiro恋色: brb
  251. [22:30:38] %ANALYTIC ♜: hp fire tang
  252. [22:30:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: should be fine
  253. [22:31:03] +SunnyORAS: Tank chomp + rocky helm tang sounds intriguing
  254. [22:31:25] %ANALYTIC ♜: we'd prolly go for av tang then
  255. [22:31:27] +SunnyORAS: Makes mdiancie
  256. [22:31:35] +SunnyORAS: More of an issues then if we go
  257. [22:31:44] %Koiro恋色: ok the version i have is
  258. [22:31:47] +SunnyORAS: Chomp thougj unless its like roseli chomp
  259. [22:31:51] +SunnyORAS: Or avest tang
  260. [22:31:58] %Koiro恋色: bish, sciz, latias, tankchomp, azu, heatran/other fire type
  261. [22:31:59] +SunnyORAS: Which leaves you open to sans
  262. [22:33:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if we went with Koiro's build i think power herb tran might be interesting
  263. [22:33:36] %ANALYTIC ♜: rotom over azu maybe?
  264. [22:33:52] +SunnyORAS: Fast rotom-w?
  265. [22:34:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: why not, sure
  266. [22:35:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: be right back
  267. [22:35:33] +SunnyORAS: I think koiro's build is a little soft vs some things on paper :x
  268. [22:35:39] %Koiro恋色: feel name them
  269. [22:36:19] %Koiro恋色: feel free to name them*
  270. [22:36:53] +SunnyORAS: I think sand is a little harder/tflame is a little easier/mlop+anyother phys mon like bisharp looks alittle harder as well
  271. [22:37:01] +SunnyORAS: P sleepy so might be wrong
  272. [22:38:05] +SunnyORAS: And if its tran as the fire type then loom is also a little harder
  273. [22:38:09] %Koiro恋色: u have tankchomp for stuff like lop and bish, alongside a bunch of prio mons
  274. [22:38:20] %Koiro恋色: tankchomp + lati + msciz should be fine for breloom
  275. [22:38:32] %Koiro恋色: keep in mind this is offense and u dont have hard checks to everything
  276. [22:38:48] %Koiro恋色: as far as i can see there's adequate counterplay for most common things
  277. [22:38:57] %Koiro恋色: i didnt really finalise heatran in the last slot
  278. [22:39:04] @tibbz: Yeah it's always going to have problems with some specific things
  279. [22:39:16] %ANALYTIC ♜: yeh
  280. [22:39:42] @tibbz: Sounds like we're pretty done with this one?
  281. [22:39:59] +SunnyORAS: I guess i just like having a little more backbone on offense
  282. [22:40:06] +SunnyORAS: Looks cool
  283. [22:40:45] %Koiro恋色: im not sure u should really look to have much of a solid backbone on an offense build *-*
  284. [22:41:04] @tibbz: Unless anybody wants to make any changes somebody want to put that team in a paste and we'll move on to core #2?
  285. [22:41:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: back
  286. [22:41:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: have we finalized the team?
  287. [22:41:26] +SunnyORAS: Yeah i suppose offense cant beat everuthing
  288. [22:41:28] +SunnyORAS: So arw we
  289. [22:41:30] @tibbz: I think so
  290. [22:41:33] +SunnyORAS: Putting both in?
  291. [22:41:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think someone should post a pastebin of the final team just to have it there
  292. [22:41:49] %Koiro恋色: gimme a few minutes
  293. [22:41:51] %Koiro恋色: ill make the team
  294. [22:41:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ok Koiro can do that, lets move on to the next core
  295. [22:42:05] @tibbz: Ty. In the meantime what's the next core
  296. [22:42:10] +SunnyORAS: Id help pbin but im on phone sadly
  297. [22:42:17] +SunnyORAS: Thundy+loom
  298. [22:42:18] +SunnyORAS: Iirc
  299. [22:42:21] %ANALYTIC ♜: sure
  300. [22:42:24] @tibbz: Cool
  301. [22:42:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: our options are: M-Diancie + Kyu-B, Bisharp+M-Lati, NP Thundy+Breloom, Medi+Thundy, and Bish+Mane
  302. [22:42:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh if we decided already xP
  303. [22:42:45] @tibbz: Lol
  304. [22:42:56] @tibbz: Yeah so let's do thunderus/loom
  305. [22:43:08] %DennisEG⚠: how u guys doing
  306. [22:43:09] %DennisEG⚠: ?
  307. [22:43:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hello dennis n_n
  308. [22:43:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/D5hdJA2r so heres the core we will be building around next
  309. [22:43:32] @tibbz: Helleo denniseg triangle exclamation point
  310. [22:43:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: nedor would like this one if he was here
  311. [22:44:09] +SunnyORAS: Hi!
  312. [22:44:27] +SunnyORAS: Yeah hed rly like this core
  313. [22:44:35] +SunnyORAS: Sucks that hes not here :x
  314. [22:44:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so this kinda screams offense, i do think something to take on lati is definitely necessary here tho
  315. [22:44:54] @tibbz: So the first thing to me we need something for lati
  316. [22:44:57] @tibbz: Lmao
  317. [22:45:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: get sniped
  318. [22:45:01] @tibbz: Sniped
  319. [22:45:04] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ...
  320. [22:45:12] @tibbz: Sado stahhhp
  321. [22:45:25] +SunnyORAS: Bisharp
  322. [22:45:32] %DennisEG⚠: or scarf rachi
  323. [22:45:34] +SunnyORAS: Or ttar
  324. [22:45:35] %DennisEG⚠: or even spd rocks
  325. [22:45:45] %Koiro恋色: ok
  326. [22:45:46] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/X8hLXixR
  327. [22:45:48] @tibbz: Or a lot of things
  328. [22:45:48] %Koiro恋色: there we go
  329. [22:46:00] %ANALYTIC ♜: loom plus thund hmm
  330. [22:46:06] +SunnyORAS: Sp.ded rocks w those two sounds weird when youll end up with tank chomp at some point i think
  331. [22:46:11] +Hector Hard Mode: offensively you struggle w/ weav, lati, and mega zam to some extent if you're not running thunder wave although you have to trade your thundy for it
  332. [22:46:13] +SunnyORAS: Scarf rachi prolly fits
  333. [22:46:15] %ANALYTIC ♜: crying for an electric check
  334. [22:46:20] +SunnyORAS: Yes
  335. [22:46:22] %ANALYTIC ♜: ice check
  336. [22:46:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mmhm
  337. [22:47:33] %DennisEG⚠: well dark and ice check
  338. [22:47:35] %DennisEG⚠: only keld
  339. [22:47:47] %DennisEG⚠: cuz jolly bish give troubles
  340. [22:47:52] %DennisEG⚠: specially when loom is ada
  341. [22:48:11] %Koiro恋色: no one rly runs jolly bish tbh, and regardless, best case is that loom takes a sucker
  342. [22:48:34] +SunnyORAS: I suppose for bish a dexent answer is prolly tank chomp?
  343. [22:48:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: or u can predict said sucker and sd or spore or smthing
  344. [22:48:44] +SunnyORAS: Fits here certqinly
  345. [22:49:39] %Koiro恋色: i think metagross is a good pairing with this
  346. [22:49:46] %Koiro恋色: mega
  347. [22:50:42] %Koiro恋色: it gives u a lati check, and also appreciates bulky grounds being worn down, meta doesnt run run zen headbutt anymore, so it appreciates venu being lures by hp fly thund
  348. [22:50:49] +Hector Hard Mode: pursuit mega gross could also help take on latios while smacking clef and potentially using bullet punch to check weavile
  349. [22:51:01] @tibbz: ^
  350. [22:51:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah i like the sound of meta
  351. [22:51:07] +SunnyORAS: Mega gross sounds fun on this
  352. [22:51:11] @tibbz: I had the same thougjt about pursuit
  353. [22:51:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we still do need an electric check desperately tho
  354. [22:51:46] +SunnyORAS: I think bp is also an option
  355. [22:51:51] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yeah
  356. [22:51:52] +Hector Hard Mode: you can potentially run a yache lure on garchomp or landorus
  357. [22:51:57] %Koiro恋色: pursuit is p much a neccesity
  358. [22:51:58] +SunnyORAS: Considering how tough weav is
  359. [22:52:02] %Koiro恋色: on a build like this
  360. [22:52:06] +Hector Hard Mode: it's not going to take on weav, but it'll handle most elecs
  361. [22:52:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah offensive yache lando could work
  362. [22:53:06] +SunnyORAS: Yeqh if its yache lando or chomp i would def be looking at possibly bp/pursuit mgross as an option
  363. [22:53:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: of course
  364. [22:53:22] +SunnyORAS: Unlesa you tiss keld on it?
  365. [22:53:34] +Hector Hard Mode: later on the team will also need a scarfer or other check to weav in addition to keld s/i and zard check
  366. [22:54:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: azu?
  367. [22:54:21] +SunnyORAS: I dont see how we can squuze in a dedicated check except azu
  368. [22:54:35] +SunnyORAS: Oh azu checks weav+zardx
  369. [22:55:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: something like talonflame could work, of course this would limit our last slot to a defogger or spinner
  370. [22:55:23] +Hector Hard Mode: what kind of thundurus are we rolling w/
  371. [22:55:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: np with hp flying
  372. [22:55:30] +Hector Hard Mode: my b
  373. [22:55:32] +SunnyORAS: I think talonflame on offense is hard :x
  374. [22:55:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i can repost the sets if u want
  375. [22:55:45] %Koiro恋色: oh also, ur gonna end up with lando or chomp on this team. i think it'll honestly depend on the last few slots. if you end up picking more ground resists then u can probably go chomp, if u dont, then lando is better
  376. [22:56:35] %Koiro恋色: also, ur gonna be forced into lati or starmie if u run another rocks weak mon besides thund
  377. [22:56:44] +SunnyORAS: Yeah you will end up with a yache ground type i suppose just make sure it doesnt end up overly weak to mlop though i suppose
  378. [22:56:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
  379. [22:56:58] %Koiro恋色: which means ur essentially taking up 2 slots if u add another rocks weakness, and u force the last mon to be likely lando
  380. [22:57:35] %Koiro恋色: currently the build doesnt require hazard removal if u can fit 3 mons in the last 3 slots that try to keep up as much offensive pressure/momentum as possible
  381. [22:58:42] %ANALYTIC ♜: What's the team atm
  382. [22:58:46] +SunnyORAS: What is the team so far
  383. [22:58:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: loom l thundy l metagross
  384. [22:58:53] %Koiro恋色: thund, breloom, mega, lando/chomp
  385. [22:58:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and lando*
  386. [22:59:00] %Koiro恋色: meta*
  387. [22:59:32] %ANALYTIC ♜: Why don't we go SR Lando+3 Attacks SD Chomp
  388. [22:59:58] +SunnyORAS: Wooah
  389. [23:00:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i was thinking azu earlier, but this makes us much weaker to electrics
  390. [23:00:02] %Koiro恋色: u could make
  391. [23:00:07] %Koiro恋色: yache chomp scarf land
  392. [23:00:14] +SunnyORAS: Double ground
  393. [23:00:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yache SD Chomp
  394. [23:00:22] %ANALYTIC ♜: And SR Lando
  395. [23:00:28] +SunnyORAS: Ah this sounds good
  396. [23:00:41] %Koiro恋色: this team
  397. [23:00:45] %Koiro恋色: is so weavile weak
  398. [23:00:53] %Koiro恋色: yache chomp still dies to crash
  399. [23:01:03] %Koiro恋色: ;-;
  400. [23:01:19] +SunnyORAS: Keld actually fits well as does...bp gross!
  401. [23:01:32] +Skarmx2: yo im back
  402. [23:01:33] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Yache Berry Garchomp: 354-421 (99.1 - 117.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO oh wow gross
  403. [23:01:34] +Skarmx2: whats the team
  404. [23:01:40] %Koiro恋色: i think ur forced to run keldeo on the last slot no matter what
  405. [23:01:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: thundy loom meta lando/chomp (possibly both)
  406. [23:01:57] %ANALYTIC ♜: Azu(?)
  407. [23:02:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: in the last slot?
  408. [23:02:18] +SunnyORAS: Keld or azu ye
  409. [23:02:20] %Koiro恋色: keldeo Futatsuiwa of Sado
  410. [23:02:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah i do think keldeo looks much better here instead of azu at this point
  411. [23:02:42] +Hector Hard Mode: ight soz guys i need to eat dinner, i'll try and get back later
  412. [23:02:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if we're doing lando+chomp
  413. [23:02:56] %Koiro恋色: i think scarflando seems like a good idea tbh
  414. [23:03:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i agree
  415. [23:03:05] +SunnyORAS: Oki cya hector!
  416. [23:03:09] %Koiro恋色: so if we have
  417. [23:03:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: helps with thundy and mane
  418. [23:03:21] %Koiro恋色: thund, loom, meta, keldeo, scarflando
  419. [23:03:22] +SunnyORAS: I think defensive lando offensive yache chomp
  420. [23:03:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: defensive lando? nah
  421. [23:03:33] %Koiro恋色: u cant have double no scarf ground
  422. [23:03:38] %Koiro恋色: or ur gonna fold to keldeo
  423. [23:03:45] %Koiro恋色: also u dont need defensive stuff on a team like this
  424. [23:03:48] +SunnyORAS: Fair
  425. [23:03:50] %Koiro恋色: if u can keep ur offensive pressure
  426. [23:03:53] %ANALYTIC ♜: I mean
  427. [23:04:01] %Koiro恋色: the same way u dont need slowbro or tang on the last team
  428. [23:04:05] %ANALYTIC ♜: What's wrong with defensive lando
  429. [23:04:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: On this team
  430. [23:04:22] %Koiro恋色: the fact that scarf is better for this build
  431. [23:04:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: all this team has for keld is thundy and loom, which dies to secret sword/icy wind
  432. [23:04:35] %ANALYTIC ♜: I mean Latias as last
  433. [23:04:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: HW support
  434. [23:04:48] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah but weavile
  435. [23:04:53] %ANALYTIC ♜: And since when did Landorus become a Keldeo answer
  436. [23:04:59] +SunnyORAS: Ah weavile weak thw team
  437. [23:05:21] %ANALYTIC ♜: Imo go for Klefki over Meta
  438. [23:05:26] +SunnyORAS: Comically weavile weak rn
  439. [23:05:30] %ANALYTIC ♜: And choose another mega
  440. [23:05:32] %Koiro恋色: i currently have: thund, loom, megameta, keldeo, scarfland
  441. [23:05:34] %Koiro恋色: how is
  442. [23:05:35] %ANALYTIC ♜: Solves everything
  443. [23:05:36] %Koiro恋色: a keldeo team
  444. [23:05:40] %Koiro恋色: comically weav weak
  445. [23:05:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well analytic does hav ea point
  446. [23:05:58] +SunnyORAS: Oh i thougjt
  447. [23:05:59] +SunnyORAS: Keld wasnt there
  448. [23:06:00] +SunnyORAS: Mb!
  449. [23:06:00] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: klefki sovles a lot of issues with the team
  450. [23:06:10] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: like weavile
  451. [23:06:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: Spikes support is so good for Thund+Loom as well
  452. [23:06:32] %Koiro恋色: metagross beats weavile 1v1, and keldeo is legit a hard answer
  453. [23:06:42] %Koiro恋色: idg this random idea that we're weak to weavile with this build
  454. [23:06:50] +SunnyORAS: If keld ia there you probably have enougj to check weav with surely?
  455. [23:07:03] %ANALYTIC ♜: It's not just Weav
  456. [23:07:12] +SunnyORAS: Ah
  457. [23:07:22] +SunnyORAS: You just want generic offwnse support
  458. [23:07:23] +SunnyORAS: With twave and spikes
  459. [23:07:24] %ANALYTIC ♜: That Klefki solves
  460. [23:07:27] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yas
  461. [23:07:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: Loom+Thundurus appreciate it so mucg
  462. [23:07:45] %ANALYTIC ♜: We could run
  463. [23:07:53] +SunnyORAS: Is the the thundy np?
  464. [23:07:53] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: klef>meta and then something to help with keld>garchomp maybe?
  465. [23:07:54] %ANALYTIC ♜: Sumthing like M-Medicham
  466. [23:07:57] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yes the thundy is np
  467. [23:08:09] %ANALYTIC ♜: To prey on Twave
  468. [23:08:15] %ANALYTIC ♜: How does this sound
  469. [23:08:18] +SunnyORAS: Np 3 attacks?
  470. [23:08:19] +SunnyORAS: Just asking!
  471. [23:08:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: its hp flying nasty plot thunderbolt focus blast
  472. [23:09:22] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so if im correct, the teams breloom l thundy l klefki l yache rocks lando t l medicham l keldeo?
  473. [23:09:35] +SunnyORAS: Yes i think so
  474. [23:10:48] +SunnyORAS: I wanna say that fake out bp sounds like a fun cjam set that lets you check quite a few things with cham as well
  475. [23:11:45] %Koiro恋色: starmie, LO torn-t, opposing thundurus, offensive talonflame
  476. [23:12:10] %ANALYTIC ♜: I gtg guys
  477. [23:12:13] %ANALYTIC ♜: Peace
  478. [23:12:17] +SunnyORAS: Bye :c
  479. [23:12:19] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: cya analytic
  480. [23:12:32] %Koiro恋色: i dont like this build
  481. [23:12:48] +SunnyORAS: All of those look...troublesome
  482. [23:12:49] +SunnyORAS: To sah the least
  483. [23:12:49] %Koiro恋色: im also not a huge fan of offense where ur fastest 2 mons are thundurus and keldeo
  484. [23:13:01] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: scarf the keld?
  485. [23:13:10] +SunnyORAS: Tflame seems to be something we kind of overlooked
  486. [23:13:19] +Skarmx2: dont scarf keld pls
  487. [23:13:28] +SunnyORAS: The sd flare blitz variant is v tough to deal with
  488. [23:13:35] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mhmm
  489. [23:13:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we have to para with klefki then revenge it with like thundy or something
  490. [23:14:09] %Koiro恋色: id be scared if klefki was my tflame counter ngl
  491. [23:14:28] %Koiro恋色: also, wisp is massively threatening too
  492. [23:14:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: m-diancie maybe?
  493. [23:15:06] %Koiro恋色: what was wrong with the original core of thund, loom, metagross + ground + water + filler
  494. [23:15:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well lets go back to that then
  495. [23:15:42] %Koiro恋色: im not sure this specific core rly needs the spike support that was specified
  496. [23:15:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: loom+thundy+meta+lando-t+keld something?
  497. [23:15:53] %Koiro恋色: like thund is a lure for grasses and breloom beats up on grounds anyway
  498. [23:16:00] %Koiro恋色: i think just the first 3 are set
  499. [23:16:07] %Koiro恋色: although chomp/lando is a given in the last 3 slots
  500. [23:16:12] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
  501. [23:16:25] +SunnyORAS: Lets try again from that
  502. [23:16:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so lets identify issues with loom+thundy+meta+lando-t/chomp
  503. [23:17:14] +SunnyORAS: Wow tflame
  504. [23:17:25] +SunnyORAS: If itngets wow off
  505. [23:18:24] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: resto chesto gyara? *-*
  506. [23:18:37] %Koiro恋色: this is scarily close to a team Hector Hard Mode already made
  507. [23:18:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and nedor's team
  508. [23:19:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah play without limits was literally breloom thundy garch gyara
  509. [23:19:26] %Koiro恋色: im still of the belief that scarflando is a good idea
  510. [23:19:33] %Koiro恋色: lemme see how i can work in the last 2 slots
  511. [23:19:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: personally, i agree
  512. [23:22:04] %Koiro恋色: ok so
  513. [23:22:06] %Koiro恋色: in the next slot
  514. [23:22:13] +SunnyORAS: Lol ned's team v2
  515. [23:22:58] %Koiro恋色: yache rocks chomp gives a rocker that also checks a lot of those annoying offense mons like thundurus, starmie, talon
  516. [23:23:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah it doe
  517. [23:23:06] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: s
  518. [23:23:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: then maybe scarf lando+water for last 2 slots?
  519. [23:23:36] %Koiro恋色: so i like double ground with scarflando + yache chomp
  520. [23:23:42] %Koiro恋色: it also makes the team v solid vs elects
  521. [23:23:52] %Koiro恋色: we have plenty of stuff to check most things
  522. [23:24:00] %Koiro恋色: meta thund lando chomp
  523. [23:24:05] %Koiro恋色: are all pretty able rkillers
  524. [23:24:11] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yea
  525. [23:24:47] +SunnyORAS: Try scarf lando+keld
  526. [23:24:50] +SunnyORAS: I guess
  527. [23:24:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: the last slot could go to like keld or azu imo
  528. [23:25:06] +SunnyORAS: If thats pursuit mgroes helps out w that too
  529. [23:25:53] %Koiro恋色: i think last slot is likely a steel
  530. [23:26:52] +SunnyORAS: Ideas?
  531. [23:26:55] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: sciz is an option, but this makes it, as sunny phrased it, ned's team v2
  532. [23:27:47] +SunnyORAS: I think at the end od this core w/e end up with we probably will end up comparing it to that team tbh
  533. [23:28:07] +SunnyORAS: To some extent anyway
  534. [23:29:01] %Koiro恋色: i feel like this team is going to naturally be a bit weavile weak, and ur just gonna have to play with the combiantion of scarflando + megameta(which lives knock) + stealth rock
  535. [23:29:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: breloom also lives an ice shard
  536. [23:29:37] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: assuming not band
  537. [23:29:47] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and if its band we can play around it
  538. [23:29:50] +SunnyORAS: Also if yahce rocks is your way round electrics preferably we have other tflame checks n stuff
  539. [23:29:52] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
  540. [23:31:14] %Koiro恋色: ok so the last slot is interchangeable then, u could make it double scarfed like keldeo or gengar, or put on klefki
  541. [23:31:26] %Koiro恋色: with dgleam
  542. [23:31:49] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: alright, so we done with this team?
  543. [23:32:07] %Koiro恋色: other option is manaphy/keldeo/starmie
  544. [23:32:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i do like manaphy here
  545. [23:32:38] %Koiro恋色: yeah lets go manaphy then, done
  546. [23:32:42] %Koiro恋色: ill pb it
  547. [23:32:42] +SunnyORAS: Mana sounds
  548. [23:32:43] +SunnyORAS: Cool
  549. [23:32:47] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: k next core?
  550. [23:32:53] +SunnyORAS: Gives way to play against stall
  551. [23:32:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: how does m diancie+kyub sound
  552. [23:33:09] +SunnyORAS: I m not a big kyub fan frankly
  553. [23:33:28] +SunnyORAS: Mdiancie is amazing though
  554. [23:33:36] +SunnyORAS: So lets have a vrack at it
  555. [23:33:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: our other choices are bish+mlati, cham+thundy, and bish+man
  556. [23:33:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh ok lol
  557. [23:33:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: AA mentioned something about using phys/sharpen m diancie in that core as a cool idea
  558. [23:34:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: as well as hp fire kyub to lure steels
  559. [23:34:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: do we wanna go with that?
  560. [23:34:43] +SunnyORAS: Fits for sure
  561. [23:34:53] %Koiro恋色: there
  562. [23:34:53] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/z5eu0QPh
  563. [23:34:55] +SunnyORAS: Make sure thay we dont end up with overly
  564. [23:35:01] +SunnyORAS: Msciz weak team tho
  565. [23:35:10] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: of course not
  566. [23:35:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: the core is absurdly weak to steels
  567. [23:35:41] %Koiro恋色: whats the core
  568. [23:35:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: btw Koiro, we're doing sharpen mdiancie+hp firekyub now
  569. [23:35:55] %DennisEG⚠: RD manaphy could work well enough tho
  570. [23:35:57] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we can change the sets btw, thats just something AA mentioned as being an interesting idea
  571. [23:36:08] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
  572. [23:36:09] %Koiro恋色: do u need hp fire kyube with that? why not magneton/zone?
  573. [23:36:26] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mm yeah that sounds like a better idea
  574. [23:36:39] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we would definitely need something for sand tho
  575. [23:36:40] +SunnyORAS: Ah magnezine
  576. [23:36:53] %Koiro恋色: that especially frees up sharpen diancie, if that's what you want to go with
  577. [23:37:20] +SunnyORAS: Could even go magneton if you really needed to!
  578. [23:37:59] %Koiro恋色: theres also the balloon + mrise magnezone
  579. [23:38:03] +SunnyORAS: Especially if we end up oberly tflame weak at some point which probably wont happen
  580. [23:38:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i dont think we need magneton
  581. [23:38:13] %Koiro恋色: i mean kyurem + diancie
  582. [23:38:17] %Koiro恋色: is very solid vs talon
  583. [23:38:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
  584. [23:38:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and dragonite after a ddance
  585. [23:38:51] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and i like the balloon+rise magnezone idea
  586. [23:39:16] %Koiro恋色: ok lets see what works best, i think scarf might be ok
  587. [23:39:29] %DennisEG⚠: whats the main core?
  588. [23:39:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: if the team becomes overlly weak to sand, then we can change to balloon
  589. [23:39:35] %Koiro恋色: sharpen diancie + kyube
  590. [23:39:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
  591. [23:39:50] %DennisEG⚠: weak to sand + keld
  592. [23:40:01] %Koiro恋色: weak to fighting types in general
  593. [23:40:04] %DennisEG⚠: what type of kyub is ?
  594. [23:40:05] %Koiro恋色: breloom, lop etc
  595. [23:40:13] %Koiro恋色: i think roost will be best
  596. [23:40:20] %Koiro恋色: to check mana + elecs like mane
  597. [23:40:24] %DennisEG⚠: i like roost LO yeah
  598. [23:40:28] %Koiro恋色: since diancie is a rocks deterrent
  599. [23:40:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mhm
  600. [23:40:45] %Koiro恋色: u should be able to check most stuff decently w/ roost w/o having to recover off rocks too much
  601. [23:40:45] %DennisEG⚠: ill prob put hp fire on kyub
  602. [23:40:51] %Koiro恋色: we have magnets
  603. [23:40:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^ that what was originally on kyub
  604. [23:41:02] %Koiro恋色: i think scarf magnets is best for this
  605. [23:41:30] %DennisEG⚠: i feel any of those mons pairs well with rotom-w
  606. [23:41:43] %Koiro恋色: i think a fat grass like tang works nicely here
  607. [23:41:49] %Koiro恋色: for lop, loom + exca
  608. [23:41:55] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: definitely sand
  609. [23:41:55] %Koiro恋色: also water resist
  610. [23:42:06] %Koiro恋色: lando too
  611. [23:42:22] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: brb
  612. [23:42:33] %Koiro恋色: oh also, ebelt kyurem might be a cool option
  613. [23:42:50] %DennisEG⚠: mm RH tang isnt a keld switch
  614. [23:42:53] +SunnyORAS: Yeah ebelt might be a cool option
  615. [23:42:56] %Koiro恋色: u can bluff scarf and catch steels/fairies
  616. [23:42:59] +SunnyORAS: It isnt
  617. [23:43:06] %Koiro恋色: i didnt say tang was a keld switchin
  618. [23:43:15] %Koiro恋色: its more for lop, loom, exca, lando
  619. [23:43:30] %Koiro恋色: + sleep powder gives kyube and diancie free turns
  620. [23:43:59] %DennisEG⚠: mmm sounds good
  621. [23:44:12] +SunnyORAS: How much more time do we have?
  622. [23:44:20] %DennisEG⚠: i was more orinted in a voltturn combo to get for free kyub/dian
  623. [23:44:59] %Koiro恋色: this will be the last core
  624. [23:45:01] +SunnyORAS: Could do torn-t with u-turn
  625. [23:45:11] +SunnyORAS: Drags in things for kyub to exploit
  626. [23:45:19] +SunnyORAS: Or possibly lets you trap skarm
  627. [23:45:34] +SunnyORAS: Avest possibly fits?
  628. [23:45:41] %DennisEG⚠: fat av
  629. [23:45:43] %Koiro恋色: torn + diancie is rly nice tbh
  630. [23:45:53] %Koiro恋色: because it gives u a grass check
  631. [23:46:00] %DennisEG⚠: as we're looking for a keld switch as well
  632. [23:46:03] %Koiro恋色: but also keldeo too
  633. [23:47:12] +SunnyORAS: Avest sort of answers it
  634. [23:47:14] %Koiro恋色: ok so
  635. [23:47:21] %DennisEG⚠: like a fat spread
  636. [23:47:25] %Koiro恋色: sharpen diancie, kyurem, mag, av torn
  637. [23:47:26] %DennisEG⚠: the only 88 spa
  638. [23:47:35] +SunnyORAS: Im rly liking how this is looking rn tbh
  639. [23:47:42] +SunnyORAS: Diancie zone is rly effective rn
  640. [23:47:48] +SunnyORAS: And rock stab is godly
  641. [23:47:54] %DennisEG⚠: we a need a sand check
  642. [23:48:01] +SunnyORAS: Rcky jelm
  643. [23:48:02] +SunnyORAS: Tang
  644. [23:48:04] %Koiro恋色: slowbro fits better on that
  645. [23:48:05] %Koiro恋色: imo
  646. [23:48:13] +SunnyORAS: Answers sd grounds as well
  647. [23:48:16] %Koiro恋色: also checks zardx too
  648. [23:48:22] %Koiro恋色: + regen core
  649. [23:48:23] %DennisEG⚠: slowbro will make the team so weak to electric
  650. [23:48:35] %Koiro恋色: and more reliable keldeo switchin
  651. [23:48:44] +SunnyORAS: Would tang bro work?
  652. [23:48:54] +SunnyORAS: You have enough offensive stuff as is just wobdering
  653. [23:48:56] %Koiro恋色: u have kyurem + another slot
  654. [23:49:00] %Koiro恋色: idt its too elec weak
  655. [23:49:06] %Koiro恋色: esp since we dont have a rocker yet
  656. [23:49:07] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: back, whats the team so far
  657. [23:49:13] %DennisEG⚠: i like tang
  658. [23:49:16] %Koiro恋色: diancie, kyurem, mag, torn, bro
  659. [23:49:17] %DennisEG⚠: over bro
  660. [23:49:24] %Koiro恋色: last slot has to be a rocker
  661. [23:49:37] %DennisEG⚠: tang over bro covers more
  662. [23:49:39] +SunnyORAS: Landot/kyub/mag/mdiancie/av torn/tang?
  663. [23:49:46] %DennisEG⚠: knock off to get rid off shed shell
  664. [23:49:48] +SunnyORAS: Can that work?
  665. [23:49:50] %DennisEG⚠: is better than bro
  666. [23:49:59] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh i think that works
  667. [23:50:09] %DennisEG⚠: i like hippo here more with whirl
  668. [23:50:29] %DennisEG⚠: and reliable recovery
  669. [23:50:39] +SunnyORAS: Hippo might work
  670. [23:52:39] +SunnyORAS: Worth a shot!
  671. [23:52:39] %Koiro恋色: tbh if the team needs to free up slots
  672. [23:52:57] %Koiro恋色: u could drop mag, and run heat wave torn, hp fire kyube, hp fire diancie
  673. [23:53:06] @Andromeda: AllAttack wants to join
  674. [23:53:09] @Andromeda: should I add him?
  675. [23:53:10] +SunnyORAS: Yeah thats an option
  676. [23:53:11] +SunnyORAS: Ayyy
  677. [23:53:18] %Koiro恋色: thats basically going to make up for ur trapping alongside hippo being able to ww
  678. [23:53:19] +SunnyORAS: Last core but add imo
  679. [23:53:22] %Koiro恋色: yee do it Andromeda
  680. [23:53:24] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ok
  681. [23:53:26] AllAttack was promoted to Room Voice by Andromeda.
  682. [23:53:30] +SunnyORAS: Hnnng
  683. [23:53:44] +SunnyORAS: Attack(flex)
  684. [23:53:44] +AllAttack: sorry i had bad internet
  685. [23:53:45] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so last core is bish+m lati, bish+mane, or medi+thundy
  686. [23:53:45] %Koiro恋色: does that seem better maybe?
  687. [23:54:05] %Koiro恋色: wait Futatsuiwa of Sado whats the team we just made
  688. [23:54:08] %Koiro恋色: are we even done
  689. [23:54:16] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh i assumed we were done xP
  690. [23:54:23] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: sorry im tired
  691. [23:54:52] +SunnyORAS: We can keep other for next time
  692. [23:54:58] %Koiro恋色: ok so, diancie, kyurem, torn, hippo, tang
  693. [23:55:17] %Koiro恋色: ww hippo
  694. [23:55:25] %DennisEG⚠: ye
  695. [23:55:26] %Koiro恋色: heat wave torn, hp fire on diancie and kyurem
  696. [23:55:33] +AllAttack: yeah that's a good lure
  697. [23:55:41] %DennisEG⚠: last slot has to be an steel type
  698. [23:55:43] +AllAttack: 4 atks kyurem?
  699. [23:55:47] %DennisEG⚠: like rachi or magn
  700. [23:56:00] +AllAttack: heatran or rachi looks good
  701. [23:56:04] +AllAttack: we need a stallbreaker
  702. [23:56:06] +SunnyORAS: I wann sY
  703. [23:56:08] +AllAttack: that's more consistent
  704. [23:56:08] +SunnyORAS: Tran
  705. [23:56:18] +SunnyORAS: Magm storm
  706. [23:56:24] +AllAttack: taunt toxic
  707. [23:56:26] +AllAttack: y
  708. [23:58:17] +SunnyORAS: Hnng max speed tran to flex on offensive sciz
  709. [23:58:26] +AllAttack: you sure?
  710. [23:58:37] +SunnyORAS: Its an option i think
  711. [23:58:44] +SunnyORAS: Since we dropped zone i think
  712. [23:58:47] +AllAttack: we kindan eed it but we lose stallbreaking prowess
  713. [23:58:49] +SunnyORAS: To open up a slot
  714. [23:59:07] %DennisEG⚠: we have heat torn, and dual hp fire
  715. [23:59:13] %DennisEG⚠: + prob hp fire tang
  716. [23:59:20] %Koiro恋色: yeah
  717. [23:59:20] +SunnyORAS: Hmm sharpen mdiancie can toss stall tho for the most part
  718. [23:59:24] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
  719. [23:59:27] %Koiro恋色: ive got all the sets done besides the last slot
  720. [23:59:37] %Koiro恋色: but with hp fire diancie, im not sure u can afford sharpen as well
  721. [23:59:41] +SunnyORAS: Amoong and quag are your problems with sharoen mdicnaie tho
  722. [23:59:44] +SunnyORAS: It hink
  723. [23:59:45] +AllAttack: oh did you use physical diancie like i suggested?
  724. [23:59:48] %DennisEG⚠: gotta be rachi
  725. [23:59:49] %Koiro恋色: and in general stallbreaker variants of heatran or jirachi seem good in the last slot
  726. [23:59:49] +SunnyORAS: Ye
  727. [23:59:51] %Koiro恋色: yeah its physical
  728. [23:59:52] +AllAttack: yeah then it's fine
  729. [00:00:00] +AllAttack: because you're not setup bait
  730. [00:00:13] %Koiro恋色: last slot subtoxic jirachi?
  731. [00:00:21] +AllAttack: i was thinking that
  732. [00:00:35] %Koiro恋色: ill pb that version
  733. [00:00:35] +AllAttack: if we did, i wouldn't run 160atk+
  734. [00:00:38] %Koiro恋色: if we're all done
  735. [00:00:45] +AllAttack: maybe def investment instead
  736. [00:01:02] +SunnyORAS: Might wanna see if sp.def sub tox works out or not
  737. [00:01:08] +AllAttack: y
  738. [00:01:15] +SunnyORAS: These look like fub teama tho
  739. [00:01:28] +SunnyORAS: Looking forward to trying them out
  740. [00:01:40] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ikr
  741. [00:01:58] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/4cqaujLf
  742. [00:02:03] %Koiro恋色: thats the current build
  743. [00:02:14] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think thats it?
  744. [00:02:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: next core?
  745. [00:02:43] %Koiro恋色: i said that'd be the last one, but since AA just got here, i guess we could do 1 more. we're coming up on 2hours though
  746. [00:02:44] %Koiro恋色: up to you
  747. [00:03:03] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hmm aa do u wanna do one more or should we end it there?
  748. [00:03:04] +AllAttack: i think we should prolly run epower on that diancie
  749. [00:03:09] +AllAttack: heatran is too big a threat
  750. [00:03:11] +AllAttack: to the team
  751. [00:03:16] +SunnyORAS: We could def do one more
  752. [00:03:18] +SunnyORAS: Ngl
  753. [00:03:20] %Koiro恋色: diamond storm 2hkoes
  754. [00:03:24] +AllAttack: yeah i guess
  755. [00:03:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we also have hippo and kyub
  756. [00:03:28] %Koiro恋色: why do u need epower, hippo checks too
  757. [00:03:29] +AllAttack: just play conservatively
  758. [00:03:31] %Koiro恋色: also hkyub
  759. [00:03:32] +SunnyORAS: Itd suck tonhave aa onky for
  760. [00:03:36] +SunnyORAS: 5 mins
  761. [00:03:47] %Koiro恋色: im honestly ok to stop now
  762. [00:04:04] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well aa, do u wanna do one more?
  763. [00:04:07] +AllAttack: sure
  764. [00:04:13] +SunnyORAS: Wew lad
  765. [00:04:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: alright so we have 3 choices. mane+bish, medi+thundy, and mlati+bish
  766. [00:04:41] %Koiro恋色: bish+m lati, bish+mane, or medi+thundy
  767. [00:04:45] %Koiro恋色: yeah
  768. [00:04:58] %Koiro恋色: i dont like any of these ;-;
  769. [00:05:07] +AllAttack: the second one looks interesting
  770. [00:05:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: tbh, neither do i but if i had to pick one, im more inclined towards medi+thundy
  771. [00:05:13] +AllAttack: medi thundy
  772. [00:05:15] +AllAttack: dame
  773. [00:05:19] +AllAttack: same*
  774. [00:05:21] %Koiro恋色: weav + mane seems better than bish + mane
  775. [00:05:31] +SunnyORAS: Mlati+bish spike stack? Medi thundy sounds fun too
  776. [00:05:37] %Koiro恋色: and we've already build a team with all these mons oo
  777. [00:05:42] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well mlati is obviously gonna be spike stack
  778. [00:06:18] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so whats the final verdict?
  779. [00:06:22] %Koiro恋色: whats bisharp doing for mlati?
  780. [00:06:33] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: trapping opposing lati in a hazard stack team i suppose
  781. [00:06:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and starmie
  782. [00:06:52] %Koiro恋色: that doesnt seem like super neccesary support, and bish is a pretty bad pursuit trapper oo
  783. [00:06:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and mlati checks stuff like keld loom and volcanion
  784. [00:06:54] +SunnyORAS: Scarf tar couldo that too
  785. [00:06:56] +SunnyORAS: Tbh
  786. [00:06:58] %Koiro恋色: yeah
  787. [00:07:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah scarf tar is honestly better with lati
  788. [00:07:11] +SunnyORAS: Scarf tar also check birds rly nicely
  789. [00:07:21] %Koiro恋色: idk if im running one of those mega lati balances
  790. [00:07:26] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so should we do scarf tar+lati hazard stack? *-*
  791. [00:07:30] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: or are we doing medi+thundy
  792. [00:07:31] %Koiro恋色: theres already the generic build type of
  793. [00:07:42] %Koiro恋色: mlati, clef, spikes, rocks, pursuit, filler
  794. [00:07:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: pretty much
  795. [00:07:51] +AllAttack: mlati is a bit overhyped rn imo
  796. [00:07:54] %Koiro恋色: i wouldnt mind building that, especially bc its kinda quick too
  797. [00:07:56] +AllAttack: medi is used less iirc
  798. [00:07:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so i think mlati wouldnt be as fun to build around
  799. [00:08:10] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah medi sounds nice
  800. [00:08:17] %Koiro恋色: ok lets do medi then
  801. [00:08:18] %Koiro恋色: so we have
  802. [00:08:24] %Koiro恋色: medicham + thundurus
  803. [00:08:32] %Koiro恋色: thund should be twave for speed control
  804. [00:08:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: that would be t wave thundy for speed control for cham?
  805. [00:08:36] +AllAttack: y
  806. [00:08:38] +SunnyORAS: Y
  807. [00:08:46] +AllAttack: np teave could be an option but we can finish sets later
  808. [00:08:50] +AllAttack: twave*
  809. [00:08:57] +SunnyORAS: I say bullet punch cham
  810. [00:09:16] %Koiro恋色: i think this frees up medi to run ice punch/zen + bp
  811. [00:09:21] %DennisEG⚠: medi + dual genies + chomp + bish + keld
  812. [00:09:34] %Koiro恋色: see all these medi builds build themselves
  813. [00:09:37] +SunnyORAS: L0l
  814. [00:09:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: xD
  815. [00:09:39] %Koiro恋色: the same way the lati team would
  816. [00:09:59] %DennisEG⚠: they are just generic stuff
  817. [00:10:00] +SunnyORAS: 30 secondd team
  818. [00:10:04] %Koiro恋色: we havent used mega lati, we've already built thundurus + mega metagross
  819. [00:10:12] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well if anyone has a differnt core, shoot?
  820. [00:10:18] +SunnyORAS: K
  821. [00:10:25] %Koiro恋色: lets just go
  822. [00:10:28] %Koiro恋色: mega lati
  823. [00:10:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: or we could justr end it here
  824. [00:10:32] %Koiro恋色: at least we havent used that archetype
  825. [00:10:34] %Koiro恋色: and itll be quick
  826. [00:10:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: mega lati it is
  827. [00:10:37] %Koiro恋色: so u have
  828. [00:10:38] +SunnyORAS: I wanna build mega lati spike stacm
  829. [00:10:41] +AllAttack: bo?
  830. [00:10:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so we going mega lati+scarf tar?
  831. [00:11:01] +SunnyORAS: Yeah
  832. [00:11:08] %Koiro恋色: mega lati + spikes + rocks + pursuit + clef
  833. [00:11:13] +AllAttack: ok so obviously we need a hazard setter
  834. [00:11:15] +SunnyORAS: One good thing bisharp gives w spike stack is defiant but
  835. [00:11:15] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: pretty much
  836. [00:11:19] +SunnyORAS: Otherwise its not as good
  837. [00:11:23] %Koiro恋色: spikers are between ferro and skarm
  838. [00:11:26] +AllAttack: ferro
  839. [00:11:30] %Koiro恋色: and rockers are between hippo and chomp
  840. [00:11:36] %Koiro恋色: usually youll go hippo ferro
  841. [00:11:38] %DennisEG⚠: we can use Mega lati/tar/nidoqueen dual hazards
  842. [00:11:39] %Koiro恋色: or chomp skarm
  843. [00:11:42] +SunnyORAS: You could do
  844. [00:11:43] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lets do hippo cuz i dont wanna do chomp on 3/4 of these teams *-*
  845. [00:11:52] +AllAttack: yea
  846. [00:11:56] %Koiro恋色: ok so hippo ferro mega lati clef
  847. [00:11:56] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yo nidoqueens cool
  848. [00:11:57] +SunnyORAS: Skarm+chomp+tang?
  849. [00:12:03] +SunnyORAS: Nidoqueen ayyu
  850. [00:12:10] +AllAttack: the thing is
  851. [00:12:14] +AllAttack: if we go that super passive
  852. [00:12:22] +SunnyORAS: Queen is a cutie
  853. [00:12:40] +AllAttack: ww hippo looks cool
  854. [00:12:45] +AllAttack: spam phase with hazards
  855. [00:12:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hmm yeah
  856. [00:12:53] %Koiro恋色: yeah ww hippo is neccesary
  857. [00:13:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so so far its just mlati, scarf tar, hippo, ferro?
  858. [00:13:25] +SunnyORAS: Can tspikes nido worm?
  859. [00:13:25] %DennisEG⚠: mega lati/tar/nidoqueen/LO torn/resttalk keld and rotom
  860. [00:13:28] %Koiro恋色: and clefable
  861. [00:13:36] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i really wanna try out nidoqueen
  862. [00:13:59] +SunnyORAS: Nice
  863. [00:14:07] +SunnyORAS: I reckon that looks fun
  864. [00:14:20] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: garde looks annoying
  865. [00:14:28] +AllAttack: very
  866. [00:14:35] +SunnyORAS: Sp.def skarm somewhere?
  867. [00:14:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: and i guess eq m alt
  868. [00:14:50] +AllAttack: chople ferro mitigates the issue but that's not reliable enough by itself
  869. [00:14:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: as uncommon as malt is
  870. [00:15:13] %Koiro恋色: teams with nidoqueen are gonna naturally have some sort of trouble because nidoqueen in general isnt a mon that is particularly self sufficient
  871. [00:15:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: rachi>rotom?
  872. [00:15:23] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait no thats way too vulnerable to exca
  873. [00:15:28] +SunnyORAS: Fk
  874. [00:16:03] +SunnyORAS: Could drop tornt but thrn youtr becoming more passive
  875. [00:16:10] %Koiro恋色: if ur gonna go with nidoqueen, then u still want clefable on there, its easily the best mon on mlati hazard stack, ur gonna have to run a sturdy ground resist in there too
  876. [00:16:23] %Koiro恋色: u essentially have 2 slots
  877. [00:16:39] +AllAttack: nido + hippo or not
  878. [00:16:47] +AllAttack: like are you running both grounds
  879. [00:17:12] %Koiro恋色: i dont think u can afford to run hippo
  880. [00:17:12] +SunnyORAS: Idta
  881. [00:17:16] +AllAttack: same
  882. [00:17:18] +SunnyORAS: *idts
  883. [00:17:28] +AllAttack: they stack too many weaknesses for us here
  884. [00:17:34] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: hmm chesnaught?
  885. [00:17:38] %Koiro恋色: i think spdef skarm
  886. [00:17:41] %Koiro恋色: is the best idea
  887. [00:17:43] +AllAttack: oo that would be interesting
  888. [00:17:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: yeah
  889. [00:17:48] +AllAttack: spdef skarm + chesnaught
  890. [00:17:54] %Koiro恋色: huh, not both
  891. [00:17:55] +AllAttack: for the rocker + spiker
  892. [00:17:58] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: no not both
  893. [00:17:59] +SunnyORAS: Sp.def skarm wew lad
  894. [00:18:04] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: cuz torn t is a thing
  895. [00:18:08] %Koiro恋色: the rocker should be either skarm or nidoqueen
  896. [00:18:22] +AllAttack: oh i mean replacing
  897. [00:18:26] +AllAttack: dw
  898. [00:18:35] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: wait chesnaught>queen?
  899. [00:19:06] %Koiro恋色: ill pastebin the frame
  900. [00:19:07] %Koiro恋色: in a second
  901. [00:19:09] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: kk
  902. [00:19:10] %Koiro恋色: lemme write it up
  903. [00:19:11] +AllAttack: mlati, ches, spdef skarm, clef, ttar is what we're at rn ??
  904. [00:19:28] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i guess? idk oo
  905. [00:19:29] +SunnyORAS: I think so
  906. [00:19:29] +AllAttack: ches/nido should i say
  907. [00:19:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ches checks ttar for mlati
  908. [00:19:50] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: quite good in fact
  909. [00:19:55] +SunnyORAS: Ches coild actually
  910. [00:20:03] +SunnyORAS: Make sure you have someway to break
  911. [00:20:07] %Koiro恋色: what spread did you guys decide for nidoqueen
  912. [00:20:08] +AllAttack: we need pressure
  913. [00:20:11] +SunnyORAS: Opposing clef tho other than skarm
  914. [00:20:11] +AllAttack: stallbreaker
  915. [00:20:17] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: we need to pressure torn...
  916. [00:20:31] %DennisEG⚠: nido should be phys def with a bit of spd
  917. [00:20:39] %DennisEG⚠: and poison jab to deal with clef
  918. [00:20:47] %Koiro恋色: yeah i just wanted the specific spread
  919. [00:21:00] +SunnyORAS: Ah nice
  920. [00:21:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well what would be a good benchmarh
  921. [00:21:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lop?
  922. [00:21:18] +SunnyORAS: Flex on clef with pjab
  923. [00:22:24] +SunnyORAS: Is there a lop bechmark for nidoqueen?
  924. [00:22:32] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: idk, ive literally never used nidoqueen
  925. [00:22:33] %Koiro恋色: its ok
  926. [00:22:36] %Koiro恋色: i got something
  927. [00:22:42] %DennisEG⚠: mm
  928. [00:22:58] %DennisEG⚠: give 80 spd evs max hp rest in defense
  929. [00:23:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: whats that for?
  930. [00:23:08] %DennisEG⚠: avoids lopunny 2hko and lo hp ice thundy too
  931. [00:23:13] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh cool
  932. [00:23:25] %DennisEG⚠: relaxed nature
  933. [00:23:25] +starry: hi DennisEG :D
  934. [00:23:32] %DennisEG⚠: starry :DD
  935. [00:23:56] +SunnyORAS: Hi :D
  936. [00:24:14] +SunnyORAS: m00nyORAS
  937. [00:24:16] %Koiro恋色: u just need a lastmon
  938. [00:24:17] %Koiro恋色: for this
  939. [00:24:18] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/jQVvznt0
  940. [00:24:38] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: something for torn 100%
  941. [00:24:46] %Koiro恋色: also bisharp switchin too
  942. [00:24:46] +AllAttack: double whirlwind skarm?
  943. [00:24:49] %Koiro恋色: also
  944. [00:24:50] %Koiro恋色: u have
  945. [00:24:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: oh yes
  946. [00:24:52] %Koiro恋色: mega latias
  947. [00:25:11] +AllAttack: we need somehting that can hold its own vs mdiancie tbh
  948. [00:25:19] %Koiro恋色: which is a rly solid tornt answer
  949. [00:25:21] +starry: the team has spdef skarmory
  950. [00:25:27] %Koiro恋色: ..
  951. [00:25:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: ^
  952. [00:25:33] +SunnyORAS: Wew lad
  953. [00:25:45] +starry: diancie's a pain for like everything lol
  954. [00:25:49] +AllAttack: i mean 1on1
  955. [00:25:51] +AllAttack: yeah it is
  956. [00:26:31] +SunnyORAS: Diancie is rly good in general now
  957. [00:26:44] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well how bout a ttar check
  958. [00:26:44] +SunnyORAS: Cant hurt to see if we can prep for it a lil extra
  959. [00:26:54] %Koiro恋色: lastmon fast rotom
  960. [00:26:54] %DennisEG⚠: Latias is really pressure on that team
  961. [00:27:06] %DennisEG⚠: another water resist should work
  962. [00:27:15] %Koiro恋色: for breloom, bisharp, ground + zone, tornt
  963. [00:27:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i like rotom on this, another option is tang
  964. [00:28:09] +AllAttack: i prefer rotom
  965. [00:28:11] +starry: if you go tang the torn-t check is x
  966. [00:28:19] +AllAttack: tang makes tornt matchup shit
  967. [00:28:20] +AllAttack: y
  968. [00:28:21] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well as koiro said its m lati
  969. [00:28:25] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: but it does make it more annoying
  970. [00:28:31] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: so rotom it is
  971. [00:28:39] +AllAttack: that is worn down incredibly easily by lo
  972. [00:28:46] +AllAttack: so we need at least two checks
  973. [00:28:54] +SunnyORAS: Mix def rotom maybe?
  974. [00:28:54] %Koiro恋色: i think rotom is fine
  975. [00:29:02] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: well we have rotom and m lati
  976. [00:29:05] %Koiro恋色: what would u need mixdef for
  977. [00:29:05] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: now
  978. [00:29:28] %Koiro恋色: ok
  979. [00:29:32] %Koiro恋色: is everyone happy with this
  980. [00:29:33] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/GTCgwnaZ
  981. [00:29:43] +AllAttack: fix skarm set
  982. [00:30:00] %Koiro恋色: oh.
  983. [00:30:08] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: lol
  984. [00:30:12] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: i think we need more whirlwind
  985. [00:30:37] %Koiro恋色: whirlwind is **very important**
  986. [00:30:38] %Koiro恋色: http://pastebin.com/S3vFn0TR
  987. [00:30:41] %Koiro恋色: ok thats it then
  988. [00:30:48] %Koiro恋色: i think we made it through 4 or 5 teams
  989. [00:30:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: 4
  990. [00:30:54] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: shall i post them all?
  991. [00:30:56] +SunnyORAS: 4
  992. [00:31:08] %Koiro恋色: yeah you can post all the pastebins if you want
  993. [00:31:15] +SunnyORAS: Yeah link in the smogon convo just in case
  994. [00:31:18] %Koiro恋色: thanks everyone for coming, hopefully this was helpful in some way
  995. [00:31:34] +SunnyORAS: This was fun!
  996. [00:31:36] %Koiro恋色: and yeah the logs of this whole conversation will be found
  997. [00:31:45] +SunnyORAS: Ah nice
  998. [00:31:50] %Koiro恋色: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/rmt-on-ps.3546552/#post-6390278
  999. [00:31:51] %Koiro恋色: here
  1000. [00:31:52] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: whenever u need chat back, just ask :3
  1001. [00:31:52] %Koiro恋色: very soon
  1002. [00:32:12] +SunnyORAS: Ah nice
  1003. [00:32:14] %Koiro恋色: so yeah i think thats it, unless any of u guys have anything to say
  1004. [00:32:21] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/z5eu0QPh Thundy+Loom
  1005. [00:32:27] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/5s7PYwjb Diancie+Kyub
  1006. [00:32:33] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/X8hLXixR Bish+Sciz
  1007. [00:32:41] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: http://pastebin.com/S3vFn0TR Lati Stack ft Nidoqueen
  1008. [00:32:46] @Futatsuiwa of Sado: k those are the teams
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