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- Belief in belief: My solution to the final exam.
- Harry, being familiar with logic problems would plausibly try to violate the parseltongue
- curse using Godel's methods. He does not know that this would not work, and would
- not be able to test it in his current situation without being shot. Harry could in
- this situation reasonably conclude that knowing the exact mechanics of the parseltongue
- curse is critically important, and knowing the prophecy speaks of him ending the world
- and that he and Voldemort are literal kindred spirits, it is possible that sharing
- secrets with Voldemort might cause the end of the world. It is also possible that
- not sharing secrets with Voldemort might end the world.
- Since there are too many unknowns for Harry to make a choice one way or the other
- the path of least risk is to ask for more information. In order to verify the information
- Voldemort needs to explain to him how parseltongue works and allow Harry to test
- Voldemorts explanation.
- Therefore Harry's first move should be to say:
- "Yesss, have power you know not. If not sshared world may end."
- (This is plausibly true of partial transfiguration.)
- The only reasonable move for Voldemort to make is to demand Harry tell him. At
- which point Harry may truthfully reply: "If sshared, chansse world may end. Do
- not know which risssk greater and cannot determine without certain information you have."
- Now Quirrel has three options here:
- 1. Allow Harry to continue.
- I believe this is the only rational move Voldemort has, with explanations below.
- 2. Kill Harry.
- Voldemort can only do this if the projected value of the information to Harry
- is worse than the possible X risk increase of killing him. Since Voldemort *knows*
- Harry has powers he knows not the former is almost certainly lower than the latter.
- 3. Attempt to force Harry to give up the info.
- The prior probability of Harry or Voldemort ending the world is the same for
- both, that Harry's absolute probability is lower because he is surrounded by 36
- death eaters is situational and has no effect on Harry's descision to give
- Voldemort the information he wants. Therefore to take this method to its end would
- be equivalent to two, which we know Voldemort does not want to do.
- Voldemort will make the optimal descision of allowing Harry this, and asking what
- information it is he needs to know. At this point Harry can explain that, since
- it is critically important to his fulfilling the vow, he needs to be sure that
- parseltongue really is a secure method of communication that does not allow lies.
- Towards this end, Voldemort must explain to Harry the mechanics of parseltongue
- and allow him to test Voldemorts explanation. Voldemort of course has the ability
- to say no, but it would be unreasonable to do so given that this really is a thing
- the vow would require and it is to Quirrels knowledge impossible to lie in parseltongue
- so explaining the mechanics of it to Harry has almost no projected risk versus the X
- risk of deciding the power he knows not is not worth knowing and killing him.
- Voldemort would explain something similar to what EY explained in a reddit thread
- (See footnote zero) that parseltongue has two axioms:
- 1. You are prevented from saying anything that you believe at the time to be false.
- 2. You cannot redefine a word in Parseltongue.
- Once Voldemort explains the principles to Harry he would be free to test them out
- using the Godel method, at which point he would realize that "This statement is false."
- , cleverly redefining words and godel numbering are all disallowed as Voldemort says.
- Then Harry would consider the axioms. It might occur to Harry that a confundus charm
- would allow you to defeat parseltongue, or parseltongue would be able to tell you
- if you're confundus'd, creating an information leak. The second axiom says that
- words in parseltongue can only have one meaning. This means that since the parseltongue
- dictionary necessarily contains a set of words defined by Salazar Slytherin, one
- of the greatest wizards to ever live, the definition of every word in parseltongue
- is probably its true definition. The dictionary would then be a source of information.
- The second axiom says that you can't say "Torch" when you mean "Pen" as that would be a
- redefinition and literally interpreted the statement would be a falsehood. But you
- can tell a falsehood when you don't believe it is false. However if you say the
- sentence "I wrote a letter with the torch." even if you mean what you say in a
- certain sense you would be redefining torch and parseltongue would have to correct
- you. Harry would realize if parseltongue corrects you then you are saying a sentence
- you believe to be false and the first axiom is false, if parseltongue does not
- correct you then you are redefining a word and the second axiom is false. The two
- axioms contradict each other and therefore the principle of explosion states all
- statements in parseltongue are true.
- This reasoning is not actually correct. (See footnote 1) Going by the first axiom
- of parseltongue however, one does not need actually correct reasoning to defeat it
- through this method. They must simply believe that they have found a contradiction
- in parseltongue without being motivated by the ability to practice deceit. As Harry's
- investigation is taken without this meta-belief that he is being cleverly deceitful
- he can say any statement in parseltongue for as long as he does not realize his error.
- Harry might spend a few more seconds trying to analyze the implausibility of this
- result before realizing on an intuitive level that further investigation can't help
- and can only hinder. There are some problems it doesn't make sense to overthink.
- If Harry thinks about it too hard this method won't work, precedent exists in
- chapter 111 when Harry has the following bit of internal monologue:
- "Harry said nothing about expecting his intentions wouldn't change; he'd simply
- blurted out the idea fast enough that he hadn't formed any specific intentions yet."
- After this Harry can ask for the prophecy as a red herring to throw off Voldemort.
- There is a chance that the prophecy could affect Harry's knowledge of how likely
- he is to end the world, except that even if it mentions him by name he is still
- the same person as Voldemort. We of course know that the prophecy only says 'he'.
- In which case Harry will be able to reasonably conclude that Voldemort is more
- likely to end the world because Voldemort is mega evil. In this case the vow compels
- Harry to consult Herimone as that is his best chance of defeating Voldemort.
- Even if this is not a reasonable conclusion, Harry can say that he needs to consult
- Herimone and since all statements in parseltongue are true according to your beliefs
- that means anything you say in parseltongue you should believe. In this way you can
- say any statement and use it to invoke the vow by saying that the vow is invoked.
- Since the vow would be invoked Voldemort can reasonably conclude that Harry really
- does need to consult Herimone. However since giving information to Voldemort might
- cause the end of the world we need to have a *private* consultation with Herimone.
- To this end Harry can have Voldemort promise in parseltongue that he will not listen
- to the conversation and that Voldemort will use all means available to him magical
- otherwise to prevent anybody else including his Death Eaters from listening to the
- conversation since they might relay the information to Voldemort. (People listening
- through divination might be persuaded to tell Voldemort after he rules Britain.)
- All of this can be reasonably obtained because the vow would require Voldemort to do
- it for Harry to be able to consult Herimone. As part of this Voldemort would probably
- try to confiscate Harry's wand, at which point he can say that he needs the wand to
- demonstrate power Voldemort knows not to Herimone, and that even further towards
- this end an opaque barrier must be constructed for him to show her behind.
- The important question in all this is if the value of the information Harry might
- have is still worth more than denying him these things. Since Harry is a first year
- wizard who cannot apparate or portkey or phoenix or teleport or otherwise escape
- unseen naked without his trousers, and he knows no spells such as Avada Kadavra
- that could pierce through a wall except for possibly the power known not, which
- Voldemort believes himself immune to and in the worst case only temporarily killed
- by, there is still not a terribly large risk in allowing the boy who lived to have
- his parseltongue confirmed and vow enforced wishes to consult Herimone.
- Once Harry has the private consultation, he should have somewhere around 15 minutes
- to come up with a better solution, since this technically fulfills the requirement
- to get him to the next chapter we could consider this a complete solution here.
- However I do have a suggestion below:
- 1. Partially transfigure a large volume of explosives under the Death Eaters feet.
- Harry still has his wand so any solution that could not be done in 60 seconds
- might be accomplished in 15 minutes. This entire class of solution has been discussed
- to death so I'll leave the implementation up to the author to choose something reasonable.
- [0]: http://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/2w526t/chapter_105/conn883?context=3
- [1]: Actually this probably isn't true because there is a distinction between
- words, their definitions and instances of their use. If you consistently say
- things involving a word but all the statements have a truth value of false then
- the statements do not effect the acceptable definitions in the set of definitions
- for a word.
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