Fireburn vs. Thugly v2

Inappropriate behavior

{Fireburn}: Thugly Duckling,

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(srsly bro it was a joke, calm down, your temper is way too short)

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{Thugly Duckling}: Not appreciating that you had to get fallacious with a stupid joke, claiming I cannot read and create salt with me when you are an advocate of non-salt threads (plus, you just openly admitted you know I have a short temper, so idk what you were thinking by posting that).

Seriously, what was dissatisfying about posting something like "they played already and Soulgazer won" or "mr378 lost dude." But no, you had to like whore and delve yourself in poorly placed posts, and embarrass a user. You have done this to me and others before (think RMT forum a few weeks back, though I admittedly started that, it wasn't your fight to join. I did fix things between Pistolero and I, btw). And as always, you delete retaliative posts because you can't take what you give.

Your a mod and this is what you do. With more power, you get away with more things. But don't fucking do things like this to me because it's the last thing I need, especially from a person like you. I'm about sick of users in the chat still johning me for "gay people are idiots" and not getting drafted is a whole other issue I am extremely upset about; agitating me on forums is only further worsening my problems.

Don't do something like this again.

{Fireburn}: I'd wager the reason you weren't drafted is because of your poor temper/attitude, precisely the kind you are demonstrating to me right now.

Say what you will about the others but the fact of the matter is that you do have significant temper problems and get far too angry and defensive over trivial things such as my post, and even tonight in the PS! Ubers room with your raging over Soulgazer using a team Sweep made instead of building his own. That isn't against the rules and frankly it would be stupid for Soulgazer to not request a team considering he is new to ORAS Ubers AND his manager is one of the best players in the tier AND said team had proven success in other tournaments. Attributing usage of said team to "cheese" is frankly disrespectful to the people who created that team - why not use it if its good? Why was there a reason to get so worked up over it?

My joke post was in no way a personal attack on you or your character, and the fact that you claim I was purposely dumping on your ability to read is ridiculous (everyone knows you can read...). While I apologize if it caused you undue stress, it doesn't change the fact that you are taking this way too personally, as you are liable to do with other situations.

And yes, I gave you another warning, not because you told me off (frankly, you have no right to tell me what to do), but because I'm hoping being taken to ICBB will act as a wake-up call and hopefully convince you to take a step back and work out your anger issues. I am well aware that the Ubers community can be rife with salt at times, but this was not one of those situations, and frankly you contribute to it with your tendency to blow up like this.

{Thugly Duckling:} [quote="Fireburn, convMessage: [URL='http://www.smogon.com/forums/tel:1714294']1714294[/URL], member: 29197"]I'd wager the reason you weren't drafted is because of your poor temper/attitude, precisely the kind you are demonstrating to me right now.[/quote]

Then how do you expect me to react to this? Laugh about my own embarrassment, perhaps? No. I'm not the kind to mask what I feel. If I have a problem with something, I take it head on. Is that an anger issue? No, it isn't. It's self respect, and I did not approve of you disrespecting me on the forums with coarse joking. Frankly, coarse joking is a kind bullying, and ironically; you, as a moderator, is supposed to prevent users from engaging in bullying with one another (and not participate in it yourself).

[quote]Say what you will about the others but the fact of the matter is that you do have significant temper problems and get far too angry and defensive over trivial things such as my post[/quote]

Because the joke was targeted at me, it's only "trivial" if I think it is. Jokes are only jokes if they're mutual, fyi. Especially coarse joking, the kind you demonstrated to me, is only "ok", in a sense, when the person it is directed at is not offended by it in anyway. I'm clearly upset about this, making this "trivial joke post" an insult, and you are refusing to own up to this by circumventing the cause to my, apparent, anger issues.

[quote]even tonight in the PS! Ubers room with your raging over Soulgazer using a team Sweep made instead of building his own. That isn't against the rules and frankly it would be stupid for Soulgazer to not request a team considering he is new to ORAS Ubers AND his manager is one of the best players in the tier AND said team had proven success in other tournaments. Attributing usage of said team to "cheese" is frankly disrespectful to the people who created that team - why not use it if its good? Why was there a reason to get so worked up over it?[/quote]

Send me the logs of Soulgazer and I in the chat (I'm assuming somebody PMed them to you, because I do not remember seeing you in the room at the time), I wish to review them. I don't recall, as you put it, "rage," at all (I didn't drop any random "FUs" or anything like that, more on the lines of something like "Half of player skill comes from Teambuilding / if you are missing one of those halves / what respect do you get"; and maybe something like, "I am legitimately upset PomMan and Mr.378 got cheesed by the same team (these two people are my good friends on PS!) / I can't believe even tournament players are ripping teams off of SPL players / this tier is lazy"). It is simple frustration. We have all expressed frustration towards the community's lack of creativity and willing to progress (think, the thread sweep posted a few months back); some, including myself, have more frustration than others.

[quote]My joke post was in no way a personal attack on you or your character, and the fact that you claim I was purposely dumping on your ability to read is ridiculous (everyone knows you can read...). While I apologize if it caused you undue stress, it doesn't change the fact that you are taking this way too personally, as you are liable to do with other situations.[/quote]

I guess I can accept this apology. Thanks. But how can you apologize to me, then continue to ramble about my apparent anger issues, which are only respondent to your action on the forums, and, the loss of two of my good friends' tour matches? You definitely need more than two instances of my own strife to even justify and prove that I have anger issues. As well, based purely on how I responded to the first infraction you gave me, you cannot assume I have anger "issues." As I've said earlier in this message, YOU have angered me. I'm going to speak to you in frustration. Does that mean, as a whole, I am just an angry guy? No, it doesn't. You have, with bias, concluded that. I can be a good user, and a friendly guy; you, unfortunately and firsthand, have only seen the side of me that is frustrated (as a result of your post in the UPL week one thread).

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Furthermore, you have not answered several of my questions. Whether you are beating around the bush, or simply have no answer; I ask you again, "what was dissatisfying about posting something like 'they played already and Soulgazer won' or 'mr378 lost dude[.]?'" With emphasis, why did you have to embarrass me?