00:00:02,868|00:00:03,702|RU2|Things will happen.
00:00:03,836|00:00:05,838|RU2|We have talked about michael sam
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00:00:06,272|00:00:08,007|RU2|Your take on what he had to say?
00:00:08,141|00:00:10,876|RU2|>> first of all, a couple of
00:00:11,010|00:00:11,944|RU2|things need to be said.
00:00:12,078|00:00:15,848|RU2|Number one, I'm really disgusted
00:00:15,981|00:00:20,086|RU2|at all the hoopla and the noise
00:00:20,219|00:00:24,424|RU2|that has been made because of
00:00:24,557|00:00:28,428|RU2|tony dungy's comments.
00:00:28,561|00:00:33,099|RU2|I don't find them controversial.
00:00:33,232|00:00:40,173|RU2|Get over it.
00:00:40,306|00:00:42,375|RU2|You can take this two ways,
00:00:42,508|00:00:45,278|RU2|people have taken it to the
00:00:45,411|00:00:47,313|RU2|religious portion, tony dungy,
00:00:47,447|00:00:49,549|RU2|devout christian, feels this way
00:00:49,682|00:00:51,250|RU2|about homosexuality.
00:00:51,384|00:00:55,388|RU2|They are surmising from the
00:00:55,521|00:00:57,457|RU2|quote, they allude to his
00:00:57,590|00:00:57,823|RU2|religion.
00:00:57,957|00:00:59,525|RU2|Even if that is the case, he is
00:00:59,658|00:01:01,627|RU2|known to be a devout christian,
00:01:01,760|00:01:04,464|RU2|he is known to be walking in the
00:01:04,597|00:01:05,431|RU2|faith, as they say.
00:01:05,565|00:01:07,467|RU2|He is known to be that kind of
00:01:07,600|00:01:09,535|RU2|individual and he has been
00:01:09,668|00:01:12,505|RU2|against same-sex marriages and I
00:01:12,638|00:01:15,741|RU2|think he once received an award
00:01:15,874|00:01:18,611|RU2|in 2007 for such a thing.
00:01:18,744|00:01:20,580|RU2|That is consistent for who he
00:01:20,713|00:01:20,946|RU2|has been.
00:01:21,080|00:01:24,750|RU2|If you choose not to go to
00:01:24,883|00:01:26,719|RU2|religious route and go based on
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00:01:27,987|00:01:29,622|RU2|essentially it will be a
00:01:29,755|00:01:30,022|RU2|distraction.
00:01:30,156|00:01:32,492|RU2|So now what do people do?
00:01:32,625|00:01:33,659|RU2|They stand up and bring up
00:01:33,792|00:01:35,661|RU2|michael vick and the dogfighting
00:01:35,794|00:01:37,696|RU2|scandal and how he embraced
00:01:37,830|00:01:40,600|RU2|michael vick and he was a mentor
00:01:40,733|00:01:42,668|RU2|and adviser to michael vick in
00:01:42,801|00:01:45,838|RU2|terms of the reclamation project
00:01:45,971|00:01:49,775|RU2|that was michael vick after 18
00:01:49,908|00:01:55,748|RU2|months of incarceration in
00:01:55,881|00:01:57,816|RU2|levensworth due to the
00:01:57,950|00:01:58,917|RU2|dogfighting scandal.
00:01:59,051|00:01:59,918|RU2|What does one have to do with
00:02:00,052|00:02:00,919|RU2|the other?
00:02:01,053|00:02:02,821|RU2|If you are trying to draw
00:02:02,955|00:02:06,892|RU2|parallels you are sitting here
00:02:07,026|00:02:07,393|RU2|t
00:02:07,527|00:02:10,029|RU2|not accepting the obvious.
00:02:10,163|00:02:13,065|RU2|No matter how egregious it may
00:02:13,199|00:02:15,234|RU2|be to various people throughout
00:02:15,368|00:02:18,003|RU2|this nation and throughout this
00:02:18,137|00:02:19,238|RU2|world, somebody going to jail
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00:02:22,175|00:02:24,410|RU2|serving his time, getting of of
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00:02:26,279|00:02:28,347|RU2|locker room is not necessarily
00:02:28,481|00:02:29,482|RU2|something that is going to cause
00:02:29,615|00:02:32,084|RU2|a distraction in the eyes of
00:02:32,218|00:02:33,486|RU2|players compared to somebody
00:02:33,619|00:02:35,388|RU2|that is gay in the locker room.
00:02:35,521|00:02:37,323|RU2|We don't like to say that, but
00:02:37,456|00:02:40,193|RU2|it is just the truth.
00:02:40,326|00:02:43,196|RU2|I personally, again, I am on the
00:02:43,329|00:02:43,529|RU2|record.
00:02:43,663|00:02:46,299|RU2|I am not against gay rights,
00:02:46,432|00:02:47,333|RU2|same-sex marriages.
00:02:47,466|00:02:49,335|RU2|I don't care about that stuff.
00:02:49,468|00:02:51,470|RU2|Me, personally, I'm like live
00:02:51,604|00:02:52,471|RU2|and let live.
00:02:52,605|00:02:54,440|RU2|Do what you do.
00:02:54,574|00:02:56,442|RU2|I don't believe anybody should
00:02:56,576|00:03:00,479|RU2|be ostracized or violated or
00:03:00,613|00:03:01,647|RU2|denied their civil liberties,
00:03:01,780|00:03:03,449|RU2|any of that.
00:03:03,583|00:03:05,484|RU2|I'm a proponent most of the
00:03:05,618|00:03:07,486|RU2|causes the gay community has
00:03:07,620|00:03:08,487|RU2|fought for.
00:03:08,621|00:03:09,788|RU2|I think it is wrong how they
00:03:09,922|00:03:11,691|RU2|have been prejudiced against.
00:03:11,824|00:03:12,858|RU2|But having said all of that, I
00:03:12,991|00:03:17,630|RU2|think it is important to
00:03:17,763|00:03:18,731|RU2|recognize that doesn't mean that
00:03:18,864|00:03:20,700|RU2|people have a right to be
00:03:20,833|00:03:21,567|RU2|comfortable with you.
00:03:21,701|00:03:23,869|RU2|If you are in a professional
00:03:24,002|00:03:30,776|RU2|sports locker room and you
00:03:30,909|00:03:32,778|RU2|happen to be gay, there are
00:03:32,911|00:03:34,947|RU2|people in a locker room or any
00:03:35,080|00:03:36,849|RU2|locker room for a professional
00:03:36,982|00:03:37,916|RU2|sports team there are people
00:03:38,050|00:03:39,785|RU2|that are going to have a problem
00:03:39,918|00:03:40,886|RU2|with it.
00:03:41,019|00:03:42,888|RU2|It would be smart to keep it to
00:03:43,021|00:03:43,956|RU2|yourself.
00:03:44,089|00:03:45,958|RU2|As skip bayless said on many
00:03:46,091|00:03:47,893|RU2|occasions, you don't have to
00:03:48,026|00:03:49,928|RU2|condone, but you must not
00:03:50,062|00:03:50,263|RU2|condemn.
00:03:50,396|00:04:00,339|RU2|If somebody is in the locker
00:04:00,473|00:04:01,073|RU2|room minding their own business
00:04:01,206|00:04:01,974|RU2|but it is something they don't
00:04:02,107|00:04:08,013|RU2|agree with, they shouldn't be es
00:04:08,147|00:04:10,215|RU2|koruated either.
00:04:10,349|00:04:13,218|RU2|I say all that to say whether it
00:04:13,352|00:04:15,321|RU2|is from a religious perspective
00:04:15,454|00:04:16,054|RU2|or taking his quote verbatim, he
00:04:16,188|00:04:20,225|RU2|happens to be right.
00:04:20,359|00:04:22,261|RU2|Some people would have a problem
00:04:22,395|00:04:22,595|RU2|with it.
00:04:22,728|00:04:26,999|RU2|What he is saying is because it
00:04:27,132|00:04:27,767|RU2|is him, it is something he would
00:04:27,900|00:04:29,502|RU2|prefer not to deal with.
00:04:29,635|00:04:31,304|RU2|I'm going like this, this is a
00:04:31,437|00:04:32,505|RU2|reason why I'm listening to
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00:04:35,508|00:04:37,276|RU2|other radio stations or watching
00:04:37,410|00:04:39,445|RU2|"sportscenter" and everybody is
00:04:39,578|00:04:42,381|RU2|going crazy because tony dungy
00:04:42,515|00:04:43,449|RU2|said something that is very,
00:04:43,582|00:04:45,384|RU2|very obvious that a lot of
00:04:45,518|00:04:46,319|RU2|people feel.
00:04:46,452|00:04:47,453|RU2|I don't happen to be one of
00:04:47,586|00:04:48,421|RU2|them.
00:04:48,554|00:04:49,087|RU2|I don't know who else does.
00:04:49,221|00:04:50,055|RU2|That is how he feels, that is
00:04:50,189|00:04:50,489|RU2|how he feels.
00:04:50,623|00:04:53,392|RU2|I don't see the problem.
00:04:53,526|00:04:54,760|RU2|I really don't.
00:04:54,893|00:04:56,696|RU2|>> I'm shocked you don't see the
00:04:56,829|00:04:57,530|RU2|problem here.
00:04:57,663|00:05:00,700|RU2|I'm truly, utterly shocked, but
00:05:00,833|00:05:01,667|RU2|I'm not speechless.
00:05:01,801|00:05:02,435|RU2|>> okay.
00:05:02,568|00:05:04,704|RU2|>> I want to be clear, I share
00:05:04,837|00:05:07,606|RU2|tony dungy's spiritual views but
00:05:07,740|00:05:09,608|RU2|I found his small comment that
00:05:09,742|00:05:12,778|RU2|he made yesterday highly
00:05:12,911|00:05:13,912|RU2|controversial, highly
00:05:14,046|00:05:14,580|RU2|hypocritical and I must say
00:05:14,714|00:05:17,616|RU2|highly offensive.
00:05:17,750|00:05:19,852|RU2|And let's reiterate the ground
00:05:19,985|00:05:20,753|RU2|you have just covered.
00:05:20,886|00:05:21,687|RU2|>> sure.
00:05:21,821|00:05:25,658|RU2|>> 2007 tony dungy came out in
00:05:25,791|00:05:29,862|RU2|support of a gay marriage ban,
00:05:29,995|00:05:31,664|RU2|which means he was anti-gay
00:05:31,797|00:05:32,030|RU2|marriage.
00:05:32,164|00:05:35,368|RU2|He was applauded in some circles
00:05:35,501|00:05:35,968|RU2|and received an award.
00:05:36,101|00:05:38,671|RU2|He said at that time we are not
00:05:38,804|00:05:43,843|RU2|trying to downgrade anyone else
00:05:43,976|00:05:44,577|RU2|in the gay community but we are
00:05:44,710|00:05:45,811|RU2|trying to promote family values
00:05:45,944|00:05:46,779|RU2|the lord's way.
00:05:46,912|00:05:49,849|RU2|When I first saw the headline
00:05:49,982|00:05:54,086|RU2|yesterday I jumped to the
00:05:54,219|00:05:55,988|RU2|conclusion in my own head
00:05:56,121|00:05:59,124|RU2|somehow tony dungy is speaking
00:05:59,258|00:06:00,893|RU2|out against michael sam on some
00:06:01,026|00:06:03,996|RU2|of kind of religious or biblical
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00:06:04,463|00:06:06,098|RU2|That is not the case.
00:06:06,231|00:06:08,166|RU2|There was no hint of that in the
00:06:08,300|00:06:13,105|RU2|statement he made to the "tampa
00:06:13,238|00:06:13,472|RU2|tribune."
00:06:13,606|00:06:15,274|RU2|he was only speaking of dealing
00:06:15,408|00:06:18,076|RU2|with the circus, the
00:06:18,210|00:06:19,144|RU2|distraction.
00:06:19,278|00:06:21,346|RU2|In my mind, before reading
00:06:21,480|00:06:23,248|RU2|reaction to it, leaped to
00:06:23,382|00:06:25,250|RU2|michael vick.
00:06:25,384|00:06:27,553|RU2|Michael vick, we know what
00:06:27,686|00:06:31,457|RU2|happened with the dogs, I don't
00:06:31,590|00:06:32,124|RU2|want to cover that tortured
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00:06:36,629|00:06:38,397|RU2|Michael vick paid a steep, steep
00:06:38,531|00:06:39,398|RU2|debt to society.
00:06:39,532|00:06:42,401|RU2|When he came out of prison, tony
00:06:42,535|00:06:43,636|RU2|dungy became his big brother,
00:06:43,769|00:06:45,638|RU2|his mentor, his champion.
00:06:45,771|00:06:47,473|RU2|I think he was assigned by the
00:06:47,606|00:06:49,575|RU2|league to be with michael vick
00:06:49,708|00:06:51,510|RU2|to escort him and guide him
00:06:51,644|00:06:53,646|RU2|through some deep and
00:06:53,779|00:06:55,648|RU2|treacherous water when he went
00:06:55,781|00:06:56,715|RU2|to philadelphia thanks to andy
00:06:56,849|00:06:57,015|RU2|reid.
00:06:57,149|00:06:58,684|RU2|You want to talk about a
00:06:58,818|00:06:59,819|RU2|lightning rod.
00:06:59,952|00:07:04,890|RU2|Michael vick was 100 times to me
00:07:05,023|00:07:07,726|RU2|that even michael sam is in
00:07:07,860|00:07:08,794|RU2|today's society.
00:07:08,928|00:07:12,765|RU2|With the animal rights groups
00:07:12,898|00:07:15,033|RU2|massing to protest his teammates
00:07:15,167|00:07:16,836|RU2|were going to get asked again
00:07:16,969|00:07:18,003|RU2|and again and again, what do you
00:07:18,136|00:07:19,171|RU2|think, what do you think, what
00:07:19,304|00:07:19,939|RU2|do you think.
00:07:20,072|00:07:22,808|RU2|The distraction was enormous.
00:07:22,942|00:07:24,910|RU2|The rams teammates don't yet
00:07:25,043|00:07:26,979|RU2|know michael sam.
00:07:27,112|00:07:28,213|RU2|The eagles love michael vick as
00:07:28,347|00:07:29,014|RU2|a guy.
00:07:29,147|00:07:30,148|RU2|They wanted him in their locker
00:07:30,282|00:07:33,018|RU2|room but he was a huge
00:07:33,151|00:07:34,386|RU2|distraction for that football
00:07:34,520|00:07:35,220|RU2|team through training camp.
00:07:35,354|00:07:38,123|RU2|You can't tell me the first
00:07:38,256|00:07:40,058|RU2|openly gay player in st. Louis
00:07:40,192|00:07:42,060|RU2|won't be a huge distraction in
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00:07:42,628|00:07:46,565|RU2|It is not by his hand or doing,
00:07:46,699|00:07:50,102|RU2|you don't think there won't be a
00:07:50,235|00:07:52,237|RU2|new amount of national media
00:07:52,371|00:07:52,905|RU2|covering the st. Louis rams
00:07:53,038|00:07:54,306|RU2|because of michael sam?
00:07:54,439|00:07:56,308|RU2|The rams asked again and again
00:07:56,441|00:07:58,243|RU2|and again how is it being a
00:07:58,377|00:08:00,212|RU2|teammate at michael sam.
00:08:00,345|00:08:01,480|RU2|They will all at night scream to
00:08:01,614|00:08:04,416|RU2|their dorm room walls, when are
00:08:04,550|00:08:07,686|RU2|they going to stop asking me
00:08:07,820|00:08:08,186|RU2|about michael sam.
00:08:08,320|00:08:08,954|RU2|It is no offense to michael sam.
00:08:09,087|00:08:12,791|RU2|It is what the media will do.
00:08:12,925|00:08:13,526|RU2|It will be a distraction for the
00:08:13,659|00:08:13,826|RU2|team.
00:08:13,959|00:08:14,493|RU2|I get that.
00:08:14,627|00:08:16,428|RU2|The bigger distraction to me on
00:08:16,562|00:08:19,498|RU2|the scale of distractions when
00:08:19,632|00:08:21,700|RU2|michael vick when he came out of
00:08:21,834|00:08:27,907|RU2|prison to the philadelphia
00:08:28,040|00:08:28,240|RU2|eagles.
00:08:28,373|00:08:30,576|RU2|This is the height of hypocrisy
00:08:30,709|00:08:32,444|RU2|for tony dungy.
00:08:32,578|00:08:35,480|RU2|>> should I get up and leave and
00:08:35,614|00:08:38,417|RU2|let espn get someone else to sit
00:08:38,551|00:08:40,653|RU2|here or can we be real?
00:08:40,786|00:08:42,555|RU2|Michael vick getting in trouble
00:08:42,688|00:08:44,723|RU2|with a dogfighting scandal is
00:08:44,857|00:08:45,123|RU2|his problem.
00:08:45,257|00:08:46,825|RU2|If you come into the locker room
00:08:46,959|00:08:49,895|RU2|and ask a guy, do you want to
00:08:50,029|00:08:51,797|RU2|play with michael vick, look, I
00:08:51,931|00:08:54,867|RU2|don't approve of the torture of
00:08:55,000|00:08:56,869|RU2|animals, he deserved to go to
00:08:57,002|00:08:57,770|RU2|jail.
00:08:57,903|00:08:59,271|RU2|But it is his problem.
00:08:59,404|00:09:00,138|RU2|>> it became the team's problem.
00:09:00,272|00:09:00,973|RU2|>> no, no, no.
00:09:01,106|00:09:02,942|RU2|I disagree with that.
00:09:03,075|00:09:04,910|RU2|I disagree with that.
00:09:05,044|00:09:06,912|RU2|What I'm trying to tell you, it
00:09:07,046|00:09:08,313|RU2|could be a nuisance, but it is
00:09:08,447|00:09:09,281|RU2|not a problem.
00:09:09,414|00:09:12,084|RU2|And again, I'm trying to make
00:09:12,217|00:09:13,285|RU2|sure everybody understands my
00:09:13,418|00:09:17,089|RU2|point here.
00:09:17,222|00:09:18,156|RU2|You have people and I have no
00:09:18,290|00:09:21,193|RU2|problem with michael sam, you
00:09:21,326|00:09:22,094|RU2|have no problem with michael
00:09:22,227|00:09:23,295|RU2|sam, but there are people in
00:09:23,428|00:09:25,097|RU2|locker rooms that are going to
00:09:25,230|00:09:26,098|RU2|have problems.
00:09:26,231|00:09:27,365|RU2|We just live in a society where
00:09:27,499|00:09:29,401|RU2|we understand you better get
00:09:29,534|00:09:31,269|RU2|over it because society is on
00:09:31,403|00:09:32,204|RU2|michael sam's side.
00:09:32,337|00:09:33,271|RU2|>> time-out.
00:09:33,405|00:09:36,174|RU2|You don't think there were dog
00:09:36,308|00:09:38,143|RU2|lovers in the eagles locker
00:09:38,276|00:09:39,144|RU2|room.
00:09:39,277|00:09:40,212|RU2|Seriously.
00:09:40,345|00:09:40,613|RU2|>> skip --
00:09:40,746|00:09:43,248|RU2|>> how do you feel about
00:09:43,381|00:09:46,318|RU2|torturing and electrocuting
00:09:46,451|00:09:46,619|RU2|dogs.
00:09:46,752|00:09:48,320|RU2|>> he was a criminal because of
00:09:48,453|00:09:48,587|RU2|it.
00:09:48,721|00:09:50,388|RU2|There is only one side to take.
00:09:50,522|00:09:51,389|RU2|You broke the law.
00:09:51,523|00:09:54,627|RU2|You served time in a federal
00:09:54,760|00:09:56,294|RU2|penitentiary, there is no other
00:09:56,428|00:09:57,329|RU2|position.
00:09:57,462|00:10:01,000|RU2|But in this particular position,
00:10:01,133|00:10:01,734|RU2|excuse me, you are prejudiced
00:10:01,867|00:10:03,468|RU2|against gays?
00:10:03,602|00:10:05,570|RU2|How could you not support a gay
00:10:05,704|00:10:07,506|RU2|person inside your locker room?
00:10:07,640|00:10:08,573|RU2|What are you trying to say?
00:10:08,707|00:10:10,843|RU2|What is your position on that?
00:10:10,976|00:10:14,780|RU2|I'm saying that when they get
00:10:14,913|00:10:15,748|RU2|asked that question the choice
00:10:15,881|00:10:18,617|RU2|you are making in some instances
00:10:18,751|00:10:20,719|RU2|is between your beliefs and what
00:10:20,853|00:10:22,587|RU2|is politically correct.
00:10:22,721|00:10:24,890|RU2|There was nowhere to go for
00:10:25,024|00:10:25,323|RU2|michael vick.
00:10:25,457|00:10:27,726|RU2|You were maiming and mutilating
00:10:27,860|00:10:30,896|RU2|and electrocuting dogs.
00:10:31,030|00:10:31,864|RU2|You went to jail.
00:10:31,997|00:10:35,934|RU2|You went to a federal
00:10:36,068|00:10:36,368|RU2|penitentiary.
00:10:36,501|00:10:37,936|RU2|There was one position to take.
00:10:38,070|00:10:38,503|RU2|You did your time --
00:10:38,637|00:10:40,939|RU2|>> some of those players in that
00:10:41,073|00:10:44,109|RU2|locker room thought he was
00:10:44,242|00:10:47,079|RU2|extremely over, like, he paid
00:10:47,212|00:10:48,113|RU2|too steep a price.
00:10:48,246|00:10:49,181|RU2|>> yeah, sure.
00:10:49,314|00:10:50,248|RU2|There were those.
00:10:50,382|00:10:52,017|RU2|But I'm saying once you are on
00:10:52,151|00:10:54,153|RU2|the team, you have already
00:10:54,286|00:10:55,287|RU2|served your time so it is really
00:10:55,420|00:10:58,190|RU2|about the animal rights
00:10:58,323|00:10:59,424|RU2|activists, them feeling you
00:10:59,558|00:11:00,458|RU2|shouldn't be in the nfl, you
00:11:00,592|00:11:02,327|RU2|knowing it is out of your
00:11:02,460|00:11:02,661|RU2|control.
00:11:02,795|00:11:05,731|RU2|All you have to say if you are
00:11:05,864|00:11:07,365|RU2|michael vick's teammate, look,
00:11:07,499|00:11:09,434|RU2|man, he served his time.
00:11:09,568|00:11:10,535|RU2|He is on my team.
00:11:10,669|00:11:12,470|RU2|They allowed him back in.
00:11:12,604|00:11:13,471|RU2|It is what it is.
00:11:13,605|00:11:15,273|RU2|This is far more dicey.
00:11:15,407|00:11:17,342|RU2|If you are a religious
00:11:17,475|00:11:18,711|RU2|individual, a devout christian,
00:11:18,844|00:11:21,379|RU2|you may be against it from a
00:11:21,513|00:11:22,715|RU2|biblical perspective.
00:11:22,848|00:11:26,618|RU2|You have dudes that ain't that
00:11:26,752|00:11:28,587|RU2|much into religion, but they
00:11:28,721|00:11:30,589|RU2|still don't want a gay
00:11:30,723|00:11:32,424|RU2|individual inside their locker
00:11:32,557|00:11:32,725|RU2|room.
00:11:32,858|00:11:36,461|RU2|It is a far more dicey situation
00:11:36,595|00:11:38,496|RU2|to deal with than something as
00:11:38,630|00:11:40,565|RU2|overt and outright for someone
00:11:40,699|00:11:50,609|RU2|who served time in a federal pen
00:11:50,743|00:11:51,076|RU2|t
00:11:51,210|00:11:53,712|RU2| -- penitentiary for what the
00:11:53,846|00:11:55,614|RU2|government called a crime.
00:11:55,748|00:11:57,750|RU2|You did the crime, you did the
00:11:57,883|00:11:58,050|RU2|time.
00:11:58,183|00:11:59,818|RU2|>> you are not a dog lover.
00:11:59,952|00:12:01,586|RU2|I'm a dog lover.
00:12:01,720|00:12:05,690|RU2|I will forgive michael vick but
00:12:05,824|00:12:07,893|RU2|I will never, ever forget what
00:12:08,026|00:12:09,895|RU2|he did to those dogs.
00:12:10,028|00:12:12,965|RU2|>> skip, see how easy to say
00:12:13,098|00:12:13,265|RU2|that.
00:12:13,398|00:12:14,166|RU2|He did this.
00:12:14,299|00:12:15,134|RU2|I understand it.
00:12:15,267|00:12:17,169|RU2|I will never forget what you
00:12:17,302|00:12:17,903|RU2|did.
00:12:18,036|00:12:18,237|RU2|Period.
00:12:18,370|00:12:21,006|RU2|With michael sam and a gay guy
00:12:21,140|00:12:22,174|RU2|being in the locker room, it is
00:12:22,307|00:12:24,943|RU2|a far diceyer situation for
00:12:25,077|00:12:26,344|RU2|people to maneuver their way
00:12:26,478|00:12:31,083|RU2|around in this day and age.
00:12:31,216|00:12:33,018|RU2|Hold on.
00:12:33,152|00:12:33,986|RU2|Stop.
00:12:34,119|00:12:35,420|RU2|Tony dungy has proven it because
00:12:35,553|00:12:37,055|RU2|he makes a statement that is
00:12:37,189|00:12:40,125|RU2|absolutely correct in terms how
00:12:40,259|00:12:41,026|RU2|some people wouldn't be smooth
00:12:41,160|00:12:42,027|RU2|with it.
00:12:42,161|00:12:43,128|RU2|He is one of them.
00:12:43,262|00:12:44,629|RU2|It is a national discussion and
00:12:44,763|00:12:45,030|RU2|debate.
00:12:45,164|00:12:45,297|RU2|Why?
00:12:45,430|00:12:49,501|RU2|It is obvious what he is saying
00:12:49,634|00:12:49,835|RU2|is true.
00:12:49,968|00:12:50,502|RU2|>> that is the only reason.
00:12:50,635|00:12:53,471|RU2|Because of the hypocrisy, tony
00:12:53,605|00:12:57,409|RU2|dungy says this is is a
00:12:57,542|00:12:58,143|RU2|distraction when he watched over
00:12:58,277|00:12:59,311|RU2|maybe the biggest distraction in
00:12:59,444|00:12:59,711|RU2|this league.
00:12:59,845|00:13:01,546|RU2|>> that is not the only reason
00:13:01,680|00:13:03,348|RU2|people are getting on tony
00:13:03,481|00:13:05,417|RU2|dungy, some folks are
00:13:05,550|00:13:07,485|RU2|interpreting it saying the guy
00:13:07,619|00:13:08,386|RU2|is gay.
00:13:08,520|00:13:09,754|RU2|I  a gay guy in my
00:13:09,888|00:13:10,222|RU2|locker room.
00:13:10,355|00:13:13,358|RU2|He did not say that.
00:13:13,491|00:13:14,559|RU2|He did not say that.
00:13:14,693|00:13:14,860|RU2|Okay.
00:13:14,993|00:13:16,528|RU2|But they are going there anyway.
00:13:16,661|00:13:18,563|RU2|You can't simply say it is only
00:13:18,697|00:13:19,764|RU2|because of the hypocrisy.
00:13:19,898|00:13:22,634|RU2|It is because there are people
00:13:22,767|00:13:24,703|RU2|in this society who believe that
00:13:24,837|00:13:25,670|RU2|you know what?
00:13:25,804|00:13:26,805|RU2|You shouldn't have a single
00:13:26,939|00:13:28,740|RU2|solitary problem with this and
00:13:28,874|00:13:30,142|RU2|how dare you in the year 2014
00:13:30,275|00:13:31,643|RU2|have a problem with it.
00:13:31,776|00:13:33,912|RU2|I'm saying, look, there are
00:13:34,046|00:13:34,913|RU2|people who would.
00:13:35,047|00:13:35,881|RU2|I wouldn't.
00:13:36,014|00:13:40,018|RU2|There are others who would.
00:13:40,152|00:13:41,086|RU2|And all tony dungy's statement
00:13:41,220|00:13:42,921|RU2|says to me is obviously true.
00:13:43,055|00:13:44,990|RU2|There are some people who are
00:13:45,123|00:13:49,127|RU2|comfortable with it.
00:13:49,261|00:13:49,828|RU2|There are some people who are
00:13:49,962|00:13:50,095|RU2|not.
00:13:50,229|00:13:50,695|RU2|We need to get over it.
00:13:50,829|00:13:52,965|RU2|>> tony dungy has been quoted in
00:13:53,098|00:13:54,266|RU2|the recent past saying he
00:13:54,399|00:13:54,967|RU2|supports michael sam.
00:13:55,100|00:13:56,201|RU2|He deserves a right to play in
00:13:56,335|00:13:57,035|RU2|the league
00:13:57,169|00:13:57,903|RU2|>> sure.
00:13:58,036|00:13:58,203|RU2|Sure.
00:13:58,337|00:13:58,503|RU2|Sure.
00:13:58,636|00:14:00,138|RU2|>> you are leaping --
00:14:00,272|00:14:00,939|RU2|>> I'm not.
00:14:01,073|00:14:02,975|RU2|>> some people are leaping to
00:14:03,108|00:14:04,176|RU2|that con clus when it is not
00:14:04,309|00:14:05,344|RU2|there in black and white.
00:14:05,477|00:14:07,112|RU2|It is not on the page.
00:14:07,246|00:14:08,213|RU2|There is no reference.
00:14:08,347|00:14:10,215|RU2|>> it is not there but the
00:14:10,349|00:14:12,084|RU2|undertone in their eyes is of
00:14:12,217|00:14:12,384|RU2|such.
00:14:12,517|00:14:13,318|RU2|If that is the case, that is
00:14:13,451|00:14:15,187|RU2|what we are dealing with.
00:14:15,320|00:14:16,488|RU2|That is what I mean when I say
00:14:16,621|00:14:17,289|RU2|it is dicey.
00:14:17,422|00:14:19,424|RU2|He didn't say that.
00:14:19,557|00:14:21,493|RU2|People are still interpreting it
00:14:21,626|00:14:22,361|RU2|as such.
00:14:22,494|00:14:24,429|RU2|This is what they do with this.
00:14:24,562|00:14:25,563|RU2|Michael vick is cut and dry.
00:14:25,697|00:14:27,299|RU2|With this, no.
00:14:27,432|00:14:28,400|RU2|>> michael vick is cut -- you
00:14:28,533|00:14:32,704|RU2|are forgetting what a lightning
00:14:32,837|00:14:33,338|RU2|rod that whole story was.
00:14:33,471|00:14:34,739|RU2|Did he do too much time or not
00:14:34,873|00:14:35,440|RU2|enough time?
00:14:35,573|00:14:37,509|RU2|>> why was that?
00:14:37,642|00:14:39,544|RU2|It wasn't because of the
00:14:39,677|00:14:39,945|RU2|dogfighting.
00:14:40,078|00:14:41,546|RU2|It was because they were saying
00:14:41,679|00:14:43,415|RU2|in our society dogfighting
00:14:43,548|00:14:45,683|RU2|particularly in various
00:14:45,817|00:14:48,720|RU2|geographical parts of our
00:14:48,853|00:14:50,488|RU2|country is more prevalent than
00:14:50,622|00:14:51,556|RU2|people realize and this black
00:14:51,689|00:14:54,592|RU2|dude signed for $130 million is
00:14:54,726|00:14:58,496|RU2|being thrown into a federal
00:14:58,630|00:14:59,464|RU2|penitentiary.
00:14:59,597|00:15:01,633|RU2|Again, the controversy wasn't
00:15:01,766|00:15:02,600|RU2|over the crime itself.
00:15:02,734|00:15:05,670|RU2|You knew he was wrong and you
00:15:05,804|00:15:06,004|RU2|knew --
00:15:06,138|00:15:07,940|RU2|>> a lot of people didn't think
00:15:08,073|00:15:09,808|RU2|he was that wrong.
00:15:09,942|00:15:10,675|RU2|>> forget them.
00:15:10,809|00:15:11,743|RU2|The law says --
00:15:11,876|00:15:12,978|RU2|>> I can't forget them.
00:15:13,111|00:15:16,848|RU2|>> the laws if you break the
00:15:16,982|00:15:17,449|RU2|law, you broke the law.
00:15:17,582|00:15:18,750|RU2|If the law is on the books
00:15:18,883|00:15:20,052|RU2|saying you can't do that, it is
00:15:20,185|00:15:20,819|RU2|what it is.
00:15:20,953|00:15:22,787|RU2|It is cut and dry.
00:15:22,921|00:15:25,057|RU2|Serving time in a federal
00:15:25,190|00:15:26,891|RU2|penitentiary, cut and dry.
00:15:27,025|00:15:29,928|RU2|Being released and being allowed
00:15:30,062|00:15:30,829|RU2|to regain his career.
00:15:30,963|00:15:31,863|RU2|That is cut and dry.
00:15:31,997|00:15:34,933|RU2|Le a player can look at it and
00:15:35,067|00:15:36,101|RU2|say this is what it is.
00:15:36,234|00:15:37,936|RU2|We go from here.
00:15:38,070|00:15:39,204|RU2|>> you pay michael vick a whole
00:15:39,338|00:15:40,939|RU2|lot of money, how long did he
00:15:41,073|00:15:41,906|RU2|miss?
00:15:42,040|00:15:42,907|RU2|Did he miss two football
00:15:43,041|00:15:43,241|RU2|seasons?
00:15:43,375|00:15:44,876|RU2|Can he play?
00:15:45,010|00:15:45,944|RU2|Can he still do it?
00:15:46,078|00:15:47,846|RU2|There were huge questions.
00:15:47,980|00:15:49,881|RU2|>> I'm not saying that.
00:15:50,015|00:15:52,384|RU2|Skip, stay on the subject.
00:15:52,517|00:15:55,253|RU2|The subject was the players
00:15:55,387|00:15:56,254|RU2|having to deal with the
00:15:56,388|00:15:59,324|RU2|toughness of the questions
00:15:59,458|00:16:00,092|RU2|coming their way because of
00:16:00,225|00:16:02,194|RU2|michael vick being on their team
00:16:02,327|00:16:04,262|RU2|because he committed a crime.
00:16:04,396|00:16:06,331|RU2|That is far less complicated.
00:16:06,465|00:16:08,166|RU2|This is we are living in a
00:16:08,300|00:16:09,434|RU2|society where the gay movement
00:16:09,567|00:16:14,539|RU2|as proliferated exponentially --
00:16:14,672|00:16:15,407|RU2|>> boil it down for me.
00:16:15,540|00:16:18,210|RU2|>> that is what is going on
00:16:18,343|00:16:18,510|RU2|here.
00:16:18,643|00:16:20,479|RU2|>> I agree michael sam will be
00:16:20,612|00:16:23,482|RU2|somewhat of a distraction for
00:16:23,615|00:16:24,416|RU2|the st. Louis rams for at least
00:16:24,549|00:16:26,284|RU2|the few weeks of training camp.
00:16:26,418|00:16:28,387|RU2|>> it ain't his fault.
00:16:28,520|00:16:30,288|RU2|Those people need to grow up.
00:16:30,422|00:16:33,558|RU2|>> I say michael vick was 10
00:16:33,691|00:16:34,493|RU2|times the distraction for the
00:16:34,626|00:16:35,494|RU2|eagles, do you agree?
00:16:35,627|00:16:39,831|RU2|>> for the eagles.
00:16:39,964|00:16:40,499|RU2|>> when he landed with the
00:16:40,632|00:16:40,832|RU2|eagles?
00:16:40,965|00:16:45,870|RU2|>> it depends on your definition
00:16:46,004|00:16:48,407|RU2|of a distraction?
00:16:48,540|00:16:50,642|RU2|We don't know who is going to be
00:16:50,775|00:16:51,643|RU2|at st. Louis rams camp.
00:16:51,776|00:16:52,644|RU2|That is number one.
00:16:52,777|00:16:54,546|RU2|Number two, what I'm alluding
00:16:54,679|00:16:55,647|RU2|to, in terms of being a
00:16:55,780|00:16:58,450|RU2|distraction when I have to mind
00:16:58,583|00:17:02,654|RU2|my manners and watch what I say
00:17:02,787|00:17:03,522|RU2|because anything I say can be
00:17:03,655|00:17:04,989|RU2|misconstrued and blown up.
00:17:05,123|00:17:06,691|RU2|There was nothing for that with
00:17:06,824|00:17:07,559|RU2|michael vick.
00:17:07,692|00:17:08,793|RU2|>> let me hold your feet to the
00:17:08,927|00:17:09,528|RU2|fire.
00:17:09,661|00:17:10,628|RU2|>> sure.
00:17:10,762|00:17:13,631|RU2|>> do you believe tony dungy
00:17:13,765|00:17:17,702|RU2|believes michael sam would be a
00:17:17,835|00:17:19,938|RU2|distraction because he wouldn't
00:17:20,072|00:17:21,706|RU2|draft him or on spiritual
00:17:21,839|00:17:22,040|RU2|grounds?
00:17:22,174|00:17:23,741|RU2|>> I think it is both.
00:17:23,875|00:17:27,112|RU2|If he said anything else I
00:17:27,245|00:17:27,679|RU2|wouldn't believe him.
00:17:27,812|00:17:32,784|RU2|I love tony dungy and respect
00:17:32,917|00:17:33,051|RU2|him.
00:17:33,185|00:17:34,819|RU2|In no way associated with this
00:17:34,953|00:17:36,888|RU2|quote, I don't believe for one
00:17:37,021|00:17:39,157|RU2|second the statement that was
00:17:39,291|00:17:41,859|RU2|made has nothing to do with tony
00:17:41,993|00:17:44,096|RU2|dungy's ingrained religious
00:17:44,229|00:17:44,429|RU2|belief.
00:17:44,563|00:17:45,964|RU2|I'm the individual who talks to
00:17:46,098|00:17:48,032|RU2|america about just like we have
00:17:48,166|00:17:49,968|RU2|have to -- just like the gay
00:17:50,102|00:17:51,936|RU2|community is absolutely right in
00:17:52,070|00:17:53,371|RU2|mandating a level of patience
00:17:53,505|00:17:56,174|RU2|when it comes to people really
00:17:56,308|00:17:59,211|RU2|embracing them for who they are,
00:17:59,344|00:18:01,045|RU2|they have to do the same when it
00:18:01,179|00:18:03,148|RU2|comes to the christian
00:18:03,281|00:18:03,515|RU2|community.
00:18:03,648|00:18:04,282|RU2|>> I agree.
00:18:04,416|00:18:06,084|RU2|>> you believe in god.
00:18:06,218|00:18:09,387|RU2|You are a devout christian.
00:18:09,521|00:18:12,257|RU2|You have every right --
00:18:12,390|00:18:12,957|RU2|>> that is not what the quote
00:18:13,091|00:18:13,258|RU2|said.
00:18:13,391|00:18:18,563|RU2|I'm not for sure if that is the
00:18:18,696|00:18:21,433|RU2|issue for tony dunkgy.
00:18:21,566|00:18:24,836|RU2|If it is a circus issue, I have
00:18:24,969|00:18:26,371|RU2|a bigger problem.
00:18:26,505|00:18:29,474|RU2|Tony dungy the first black coach
00:18:29,608|00:18:31,443|RU2|to win a super bowl, was jackie
00:18:31,576|00:18:32,677|RU2|robinson a distraction?
00:18:32,810|00:18:33,311|RU2|He was a huge distraction.
00:18:33,445|00:18:35,280|RU2|You have to go through it.
00:18:35,413|00:18:39,417|RU2|>> no one, I want to make this
00:18:39,551|00:18:41,520|RU2|dleer on national television.
00:18:41,653|00:18:43,522|RU2|No one is saying we don't have
00:18:43,655|00:18:44,589|RU2|to go through it.
00:18:44,722|00:18:46,391|RU2|We understand we have to go
00:18:46,525|00:18:47,392|RU2|through it.
00:18:47,526|00:18:49,528|RU2|But michael vick being back in
00:18:49,661|00:18:50,629|RU2|your locker room after serving
00:18:50,762|00:18:54,633|RU2|time for a dogfighting scandal
00:18:54,766|00:18:55,733|RU2|doesn't necessarily present the
00:18:55,867|00:18:58,503|RU2|same emotional complications per
00:18:58,637|00:18:59,638|RU2|se --
00:18:59,771|00:19:01,540|RU2|>> I'm not sure about that.
00:19:01,673|00:19:03,608|RU2|>> than walking around in a
00:19:03,741|00:19:04,842|RU2|locker room in some of these
00:19:04,976|00:19:06,778|RU2|guys eyes with a gay teammate.
00:19:06,911|00:19:08,813|RU2|Again, we know it is childish.
00:19:08,946|00:19:10,715|RU2|There have been people who
00:19:10,848|00:19:12,817|RU2|walked through this car wash,
00:19:12,950|00:19:14,886|RU2|right here on espn, come on this
00:19:15,019|00:19:16,888|RU2|show, on "sportscenter," and
00:19:17,021|00:19:17,922|RU2|they said I'm not touching it.
00:19:18,056|00:19:20,024|RU2|That is not what I believe.
00:19:20,158|00:19:22,026|RU2|I ain't raising my kid that way.
00:19:22,160|00:19:24,262|RU2|They don't touch on it because
00:19:24,396|00:19:26,064|RU2|they don't want to create havoc.
00:19:26,198|00:19:35,507|RU2|>> trust me on this, I'm
00:19:35,640|00:19:36,107|RU2|speaking as a dog lover.
00:19:36,241|00:19:36,441|RU2|>> okay.
00:19:36,575|00:19:37,175|RU2|>> those who love dogs can get
00:19:37,309|00:19:37,875|RU2|at least as emotional about
00:19:38,009|00:19:39,377|RU2|dogfighting issues as though for
00:19:39,511|00:19:40,212|RU2|or against gay marriage.
00:19:40,345|00:19:41,346|RU2|>> that is true.
00:19:41,479|00:19:42,380|RU2|>> understand that.
00:19:42,514|00:19:43,381|RU2|>> for the record.
00:19:43,515|00:19:45,450|RU2|>> listen, I recall from the
00:19:45,584|00:19:48,320|RU2|author who actually spoke to
00:19:48,453|00:19:52,424|RU2|tony dungy in the "tampa
00:19:52,557|00:19:55,560|RU2|tribune" said tony dungy has to
00:19:55,694|00:19:56,528|RU2|clarify those comments because
00:19:56,661|00:19:58,563|RU2|of the discussion we just had.
00:19:58,697|00:19:59,864|RU2|Hopefully we will hear more from
00:19:59,997|00:20:01,566|RU2|tony dungy in the coming days.
00:20:01,700|00:20:03,468|RU2|>> we do need to.
00:20:03,602|00:20:04,769|RU2|>> so we can clarify.
00:20:04,902|00:20:06,571|RU2|It was a slither.
00:20:06,705|00:20:07,606|RU2|You said you understand where he
00:20:07,739|00:20:08,806|RU2|was coming from.
00:20:08,940|00:20:12,310|RU2|>> it iscari, I don't
00:20:12,444|00:20:13,010|RU2|need to hear from tony dungy.
00:20:13,144|00:20:14,946|RU2|>> for you.
00:20:15,079|00:20:17,115|RU2|>> whether it is religion or
00:20:17,249|00:20:18,216|RU2|just a quote on his face.
00:20:18,350|00:20:20,252|RU2|I see no