Bullshit.

<sponge> Eldrek_: its less than the lg, exact values are in flux until its released
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<jlm> i'm a little worried about the rl,rg,lg dmg changes
<Vi> They're not definate.
<sponge> fentanyl: hmg is jack of all trades, master of none. rl/rg/lg are all better than the hmg at their strong points, but the hmg is better than those 3 guns at their weak points
<jlm> seems like splash may be a little overpowered now with rl but we'll see
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<mitch`> hmg is cool
<mitch`> dont diss
<\u03b5> jlm: isn't that balanced by how they would be unable to be used in combination in many gametypes?
<Eldrek_> hmg is quakelive battlerifle
<sponge> no, battlerifle was burst fire iirc, hmg is stream
<jlm> not sure what you mean \u03b5
<sponge> continuous fire
<sponge> not stream, sorry a little unclear
<fentanyl> should make it a projectile weapon with faster bullets than plasma but with spray :> hitscan is boring
<Eldrek_> so like, rof is 75ms? 100ms like reg mg?
<sponge> higher damage, higher spread, higher fire rate than regular mg
<Vi> fent
<Vi> That is practcially napalm.
<jlm> i mean rl already does insane dmg with a single direct but now making splash the same means lg has no chance unless it is only every used in the perfect circumstance
<Eldrek_> lol its a gun for noobs, you think they can conprehend leading their shots fentanyl ?
<sponge> fentanyl: engine falls apart if you go faster projectiles than plasma due to networking
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<marcu5> sponge i meant to ask this.. exactly how much of a difference with the 50-100ms jump delay make? and why the change there?
<fentanyl> ah
<fentanyl> :(
<fentanyl> yeah that sounded alarming
<Eldrek_> marcu5, change is there to fix borked doublejumps now that people can hold jump
<fentanyl> crippled movement :P
<sponge> marcu5: basically it doesn't it just makes holding down jump feel a million times smoother
<marcu5> ahhh cool :)
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<\u03b5> so what happens if I'm climbing up stairs to RA in dm6?
<sponge> and fwiw i still can't do b2r reliably even with the gauntlet and physics changes
<\u03b5> (and hold down jump)
<sponge> but i can bareyl do it at all with current physics
<marcu5> hahah
<Eldrek_> that does not make me feel any better about you sponge
<marcu5> you need some race or defrag practice my friend.
<sponge> no, i'm crap at trickjumps
<fentanyl> haha
<sponge> i'm good at race but thats air control
<fentanyl> thats re-assuring
<fentanyl> :P
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<marcu5> i played defrag in q3 for a while
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<Anhjje_> marcu5 you played some CA 1v1 today?
<marcu5> i sucked at it pretty bad but still practiced quite a bit so i guess my movement is above avg.
<marcu5> nah
<sponge> defrag is the most borgot into it could ever imagine playing so i never got into it, and i *love* platformers
<sponge> *boring thing i never got into it
<sponge> stupid loading eating my kb input
<Eldrek_> sponge, new gaunt movespeed is 340, right?
<fentanyl> sigh
<marcu5> haha, funny cause we have some friends who prefer it over fragging
<jlm> what do you think of awesomium sponge?
<sponge> Eldrek_: its already changed
<Eldrek_> +-?
<jlm> was looking at it a while back for potential in a project
<marcu5> got at least a couple friends who quit fragging entirely to defrag and still play it
<sponge> jlm: it seems to work well enough although i wish i had compared it to coherent ui, especially since coherent supports webrtc, and just to satisfy a personal itch i've always wanted to prototype in-game video chat that looks like movies with mechs where people flash onto your screen
<marcu5> all about breaking world records by 1-2 frames
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<fentanyl> sounds boring to me, you should just hold space and win the game
<Anhjje_> sponge what about race?
<\u03b5> fentanyl: you could just invert your space bind(hold to not jump)
<sponge> Anhjje_: what about race?
<Anhjje_> You said you find defrag boring and never really got into it
<Anhjje_> did race change anything for you in terms of entertainment?
<sponge> i like race because its about improving your time, not trying to finish the impossibly hard maps
<aNtii> Just won a duel vs cooller, avek and cypher
<fentanyl> thats all dependent on the map being played sponge
<aNtii> Was a bugged game
<Anhjje_> And for some reason I find race more.... fun?
<aNtii> So 3 vs 1
<fentanyl> loads of different defrag maps
<aNtii> Still managed to win
<aNtii> Soo
<aNtii> There goes..
<fentanyl> thousands
<marcu5> many df maps were also about improving time, but then maps got harder and harder
<marcu5> i did fast caps for a while
<sponge> idk every time i look at q3df.org server list all i see is the crazy hard maps
<\u03b5> aNtii: can't wait to see the video
<marcu5> you'd probably like fastcaps sponge
<sponge> yea fast caps were a little more fun
<jlm> nice will check out coherent ui hadn't heard of it
<marcu5> some 3waves maps were crazy
<marcu5> like q3w4
<aNtii> 3w was awesome
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<aNtii> Best mod ever
<marcu5> the MOD?
<aNtii> Jolt ctfs jolt div 1 2nd place winner talking here
<marcu5> was all about the maps
<marcu5> mod was kinda weird
<sponge> but like ql race being checkpoint based was both a design decision and sort of the only logical choic since we weren't going to ship yet another separate line of maps
<jlm> when i was looking at awesomium it seemed like it had some weird licensing for smaller indy projects
<sponge> i greatly enjoyed the rally/checkpoint based approach way more than fastcaps/the typical defrag map