[12:40:36] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: ook now we start
[12:40:38] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: and make it pretty
[12:40:42] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: What is an 'Other Metagame'?
[12:41:17] %asterat: an other metagame is a modification to standard battling
[12:41:18] %asterat: then are user submitted and fueled
[12:41:21] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: Other Metagames are, as asterat said, slight modifications to battling. They're often abbreviated as OM and include tweaks to various battling aspects.
[12:41:29] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: All are submitted by users
[12:41:39] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: word?
[12:41:46] %asterat: you can find a section of other metagame ladders on ps
[12:41:50] %asterat: in the second column
[12:42:19] %asterat: some popular oms include (just to give you an idea):
[12:42:22] %asterat: stabmons
[12:42:26] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/other-metagames.206/
[12:42:30] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: here's our subforum
[12:42:39] %asterat: an ou mod where you can use any moves that would be stab
[12:42:51] %asterat: ok apparently we aren't doing this part now
[12:42:51] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: each month, metagames are voted on
[12:42:59] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: and they earn an OMotM ladder
[12:43:17] @unfix ( ≧≦) able: our current one is 350 cup
[12:43:18] %asterat: which remians for one month
[12:43:24] %asterat: if it is very popular, it can even get a permanent ladder on ps!
[12:43:36] @unfixable: but, most will receive challenge-only formats
[12:43:39] +offler: wth
[12:43:41] +offler: users?
[12:43:42] @unfixable: if you're looking for an OM
[12:43:47] @unfixable: .!om _
[12:43:49] @unfixable: for instance
[12:43:51] @unfixable: !om stabmons
- STABmons
- STABmons Viability Rankings
[12:44:03] @unfixable: !forums om
[12:44:06] #Redew: lol
[12:44:13] %asterat: ok
[12:44:20] @unfixable: !om
- Other Metagames Forum
- Other Metagames Index
- Sample teams for entering Other Metagames
[12:44:23] @unfixable: that works though
[12:44:23] %asterat: unfix next question
[12:44:25] %asterat: I thikn
[12:44:25] @unfixable: kk
[12:44:32] @unfixable: How do I submit my own ideas?
Check out the OM workshop in Community Mentoring! Type /join cm to check out the workshop!
[12:44:37] %asterat: well
[12:44:41] %asterat: yay
[12:44:58] %asterat: we have a subforum
[12:44:58] @unfixable: http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/om-submissions.289/
[12:44:59] %asterat: where you can submit om ideas
[12:45:00] %asterat: and they will be judged by the mods of the subforum
[12:45:10] @unfixable: to repeat
[12:45:13] %asterat: similar to an article submission forum for the player or the smog
[12:45:17] @unfixable: do NOT post unless it is contributing to the discussion is really important (or if you're Darnell or Redew)
[12:45:21] @unfixable: anyways
[12:45:23] +HeterosexualZekrom: yo, offler
[12:45:29] +HeterosexualZekrom: want to fite for the random tour?
[12:45:32] %asterat: do not talk!!!
[12:45:33] %Skitty: lol
[12:45:33] +Limbo HenGoku: Omgah
[12:45:34] @faxxifer♡: hetzek look up
[12:45:35] @xzern: lol
[12:45:36] +macle: >room where unfixable has mods
[12:45:37] @unfixable: lol
[12:45:39] %asterat: /modchat %???
[12:45:40] • +macle quits
[12:45:41] @unfixable: pls macle
[12:45:44] @unfixable: anyways
[12:45:45] #Redew: lol
[12:45:46] +Limbo HenGoku: lol
Moderated chat was set to %!
Only users of rank % and higher can talk.
[12:45:52] %asterat: sigh
[12:45:55] %asterat: anyways
[12:46:00] @unfixable: this is a workshop on other metagames, please do not talk
[12:46:00] #Redew: ps Lucina09╰☆╮ PM the workshop hosts
[12:46:01] %asterat: anyone can submit an idea
[12:46:03] #Redew: questions
[12:46:05] @King UU: Holy crap, 217
[12:46:09] %asterat: -_-
[12:46:12] @unfixable: anyways
[12:46:14] @unfixable: back on track
[12:46:18] @unfixable: anyone can submit idea
[12:46:30] @unfixable: but do not just constantly submit ideas
[12:46:33] %asterat: doesn't matter if you're brand new to the site
[12:47:09] @unfixable: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagames-information-kiosk-and-souvenir-stand-aka-the-index.3505031/
[12:47:24] @unfixable: this is your best friend
[12:47:25] @unfixable: make sure your metagame ideas are not already a thing
[12:47:25] %asterat: the immortal, hollywood, and the eevee general
[12:47:26] %asterat: will all weigh in
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[12:47:40] %asterat: and offer advice
[12:47:41] @unfixable: and iirc joim can as well, but he doesn't very often
[12:47:52] %asterat: to eventually get your om passed through
[12:48:01] %asterat: from there
[12:48:05] %asterat: you are allowed to post a thread
[12:48:08] %asterat: in the subforum
[12:48:14] %asterat: stating the rules etc.
[12:48:17] @unfixable: then after that
[12:48:21] @unfixable: people offer ideas and suggestions
[12:48:31] %asterat: you might have to ban some stuff
[12:48:33] @unfixable: and then your metagame is eligible for OMotM
[12:48:59] @unfixable: next question
[12:49:09] @unfixable: What is likely to not be approved?
(bouff was demoted to Room Voice by Redew.)
[12:49:11] %asterat: im getting a lot of random pms lol
[12:49:21] @unfixable: so am i
[12:49:26] %asterat: your post must be well formatter to be taken seriously
[12:49:31] @unfixable: following this
[12:49:47] %asterat: if it's a few sentences saying
[12:49:48] @unfixable: always post your stuff just like how you want your OP to look
[12:49:49] @unfixable: do not just post
[12:49:53] %asterat: omg we need a meta where pikachu has over 9000s atk ple
[12:49:54] @unfixable: "hey i want ____ to be a thing"
[12:50:09] %asterat: ok i can do walls apparently
[12:50:14] @unfixable: yes asterat all % can
[12:50:24] %asterat: power abuse
[12:50:28] @unfixable: asterat >_>
[12:50:36] @unfixable: ANYWAYS
[12:50:46] @unfixable: a metagame with mostly custom changes is constituted as a pet mod
[12:50:55] %word: it's definitely worth checking through the index of existing metagames, to make sure something similar doesn't already exist
[12:50:59] @unfixable: ((we'll further discuss pet mods in a later episode))
[12:51:03] %word: if you're submitting a new meta
[12:51:15] %asterat: make sure it hasn't already been submitted
[12:51:30] %asterat: remember
[12:51:35] @unfixable: word :D
[12:51:39] %asterat: your meta will never go anywhere if it's not interesting
[12:51:45] @unfixable: also as asterat said
[12:51:47] %asterat: in order for it to even be playable
[12:51:49] %word: yeah and it has to actually be possible to implement
[12:51:51] @unfixable: huge power: the meta: everything
[12:51:54] @unfixable: will not get approved
[12:52:00] %word: so no 3 abilities at the same time metas or anything like that
[12:52:01] @unfixable: be sure it's easy to learn as well
[12:52:02] %asterat: somebody has to become interested enough to program it
[12:52:04] @unfixable: some can be more complicated
[12:52:21] @unfixable: but if people can learn it
[12:52:21] @unfixable: they'll want to play it more
[12:52:22] %asterat: if you have a metagame where ditto and wobbuffet get toxic
[12:52:22] %asterat: nobody really cares too much
[12:52:42] @unfixable: small custom changes are usually not worth peoples time
[12:52:46] %asterat: ooh
[12:52:48] %asterat: pet mods
[12:53:02] %asterat: ok that's alter
[12:53:04] %asterat: :}
[12:53:05] @unfixable: yep
[12:53:05] @unfixable: :]
[12:53:09] @unfixable: How do I play these metagames? I don't see a ladder?
[12:53:19] %asterat: some of them are challenge only
[12:53:29] %asterat: some of them are hosted on random servers programmers have
[12:53:47] %asterat: for example, back in the day, Joim's lab was home to dozens of random oms
[12:54:00] @unfixable: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/general-thread-for-om-code.3517025/
[12:54:02] %asterat: people
[12:54:04] @unfixable: very useful ^
[12:54:08] %word: some (for example, AAA ubers) can be played through custom game
[12:54:09] %asterat: are more likely to vote your om omotm
[12:54:11] @unfixable: if you have a server
[12:54:12] @unfixable: you can host it
[12:54:15] @unfixable: custom game is like
[12:54:18] @unfixable: the best ay to play OMs
[12:54:19] %asterat: if they can try them out first
[12:54:31] @unfixable: also
[12:54:41] @unfixable: before you submit it's always useful to have a test battle
[12:54:56] %asterat: some are challenge only
[12:54:57] @unfixable: you don't always need to, but worth the mention
[12:55:06] %asterat: otherwise known
[12:55:06] %asterat: as
[12:55:10] %asterat: inaugural battle
[12:55:31] @unfixable: http://www.smogon.com/player/issue4/other-meta-ladders
[12:55:34] @unfixable: this is helpful as well
[12:56:05] %asterat: do we do pet mods now?
[12:56:09] %asterat: idk where that fits in
[12:56:27] @unfixable: Uselesscrab
[12:56:28] %Uselesscrab: thanks :)
[12:56:30] @unfixable: is now helping as well
[12:56:46] @unfixable: k
[12:56:48] %asterat: don't listen to him
[12:56:52] %asterat: all of his advice is...
[12:56:57] %asterat: useless
[12:57:00] %asterat: badum tsss
[12:57:29] %asterat: ok im going to talk about pet mods
[12:57:30] @unfixable: also I have an announcement near the end :O
[12:57:30] @unfixable: maybe
[12:57:43] %asterat: an other metagame is a modification to game mechanics
[12:57:48] %asterat: a pet mod does specific things
[12:57:51] %asterat: for example
[12:57:54] %asterat: STABmons
[12:58:01] %asterat: every mon gets every move of their type(s)
[12:58:04] %word: not all other metagames modify game mechanics
[12:58:06] %asterat: a pet mod
[12:58:12] %word: mediocremons or budgetmons for example
[12:58:13] @unfixable: Adrian Marin BH will be helping us host as well from now
[12:58:16] %word: but generally they do
[12:58:27] %asterat: would be something like giving diggersby extremespeed
[12:58:28] %Adrian Marin BH: Thanks
[12:58:32] @unfixable: anyways
[12:58:34] %asterat: and givign blissey poison heal
[12:58:37] %asterat: subjective chages
[12:58:40] %asterat: you can make these
[12:58:41] %asterat: but note
[12:59:02] %asterat: almost no pet mods ever get coded
[12:59:03] @unfixable: let's do the big question
[12:59:04] @unfixable: What are some popular OMs for me to learn?
[12:59:17] @unfixable: firstly
[12:59:19] %Uselesscrab: okay!
[12:59:20] @unfixable: the 'big three'
[12:59:26] @unfixable: are stabmons, almost any ability, and balanced hackmons
[12:59:31] %Uselesscrab: the most popular ones are the ones that have ladders, in general
[12:59:32] %asterat: do NOT say monotype
[12:59:33] %asterat: ok
[12:59:40] @unfixable: PU is also extremely popular
[12:59:43] %Uselesscrab: so apart from what unfixable said, 1v1, Tier Shift, Inverse
[13:00:19] %asterat: pu even has it's own room for no good reason
[13:00:21] @unfixable: yes
[13:00:21] @unfixable: also a common misconception
[13:00:21] %Uselesscrab: i personally play BH (balanced hackmons) and 1v1, both of which are pretty easy to learn with the right help
[13:00:25] @unfixable: CAP is not technically an OM
[13:00:36] @unfixable: learning them may appear tough
[13:00:37] @unfixable: but
[13:00:45] @unfixable: talk in the OM chat, honestly
[13:00:49] @unfixable: several people there are willing to help
[13:00:53] %Uselesscrab: more than several
[13:00:55] @unfixable: we're nice we don't bite :']
[13:00:57] %asterat: not me
[13:00:59] %Adrian Marin BH: Other Metagames generally have a steep learning curve, but
[13:01:02] @unfixable: also, Soulgazer PMed me a question
[13:01:06] %Uselesscrab: it's rare you find an unhelpful person
[13:01:18] %asterat: but useless ones are somewhat common
[13:01:20] @unfixable: that is deserving od now
[13:01:21] %asterat: badum tsss
[13:01:22] %Adrian Marin BH: For the most part, all Other Metagames have a similar teambuilding formula in principle
[13:01:24] @unfixable: +Soulgazer: question: is it hard to get into balanced hackmons? like for exemple I see so many possibiliy set wise with so many ability and moves to choose from and also so many potential threats to cover with only 6 mons
[13:01:28] %Uselesscrab: hmm
[13:01:31] %Uselesscrab: can i take this one
[13:01:34] @unfixable: sure
[13:01:34] %asterat: not really
[13:01:36] %Uselesscrab: okay
[13:01:42] %Adrian Marin BH: You can implement some of your ideas from your OU team into your AAA team for example
[13:02:02] %Uselesscrab: so, like Adrian was saying, there's a bit of a learning curve
[13:02:02] %asterat: aaaaaaaa\\
[13:02:02] %Adrian Marin BH: To an extent...
[13:02:03] %Uselesscrab: BH has the same sort of thing
[13:02:03] %asterat: we need organization
[13:02:03] @unfixable: for example, using all NU pokemon in tier shift
[13:02:04] @unfixable: OU pokemon are quite viable there as well
asterat was warned by DratiniBot. (Don't stretch)
[13:02:06] %Uselesscrab: there's a clear division between things used on the lower ladder and things used by some of the top players
[13:02:16] %Uselesscrab: but,
[13:02:18] @unfixable: ok let's take turns lol
[13:02:20] @unfixable: Uselesscrab, go
[13:02:23] %asterat: can we stop just diarrhea chatting everywhere
[13:02:29] %Uselesscrab: we have been making efforts to make things more accessible
[13:02:29] %asterat: one meta at a time
[13:02:36] @unfixable: balanced hackmons
[13:02:41] %Uselesscrab: so, Soulgazer, if you were trying to get into BH, there's a new viability rankings thread
[13:02:50] %Uselesscrab: led by some of the top players
[13:02:50] %asterat: no
[13:02:53] %asterat: it's really confusing
[13:03:00] @unfixable: asterat, shh
[13:03:01] %asterat: and it makes almost no sense
[13:03:04] @unfixable: shhhh
[13:03:06] %Adrian Marin BH: Asterat, please
[13:03:12] %Uselesscrab: putting that aside
[13:03:13] %asterat: we didn't even explain what bh is yet
[13:03:15] %asterat: jeez
[13:03:22] %Uselesscrab: most OMs are like that
[13:03:24] @unfixable: !om bh
- Balanced Hackmons
- Balanced Hackmons Suspect Discussion
[13:03:32] %Uselesscrab: many of them have their own mini-communities
[13:03:34] @unfixable: evasion was also just banned, which is worth the note
[13:03:59] %Adrian Marin BH: ^ click the link for reference about the Balanced Hackmons metagame
[13:03:59] %Uselesscrab: so for instance PU has its own sample teams, don't use that use this, threads
[13:04:10] %asterat: uc
[13:04:15] %asterat: we're doing bh -_--
[13:04:17] %Adrian Marin BH: Bear in mind that we will be giving valuable insight to those that want to learn about BH and Other Metagames in general
[13:04:17] %Uselesscrab: i know that
[13:04:21] %asterat: well then
[13:04:25] %asterat: stay on topic
[13:04:46] %asterat: ok
[13:05:08] %Uselesscrab: so, how about an overview of a few major OMs?
[13:05:18] @unfixable: stop for a moment
[13:05:40] @unfixable: we never went over bh, that's the point, let's go over bh FIRST
[13:05:49] %Uselesscrab: okay
[13:06:00] @unfixable: let's get a bit of order this is hectic
[13:06:03] %Uselesscrab: so in balanced hackmons, most abilities and most moves are allowed on any pokemon
[13:06:13] %word: including mega pokemon
[13:06:23] %asterat: for instance, you can have a mega rayquaza
[13:06:26] %Adrian Marin BH: And even form changes, such as Darmanitan-Zen
[13:06:26] %asterat: start with it
[13:06:36] %asterat: and give it any item
[13:06:38] %Uselesscrab: yeah, megas can be used without mega stones
[13:06:42] @unfixable: you can also mega evolve mega evolvutions if you'd like
[13:06:49] %asterat: also primals
[13:06:53] @unfixable: like having a mega mawile with speed boost, holding a mawilite
[13:06:58] @unfixable: then it can mega evolve and gain huge power
[13:07:09] %asterat: any moves
[13:07:11] @unfixable: ((this is the one exception the bans, also mega gengar and mega kang, and mega medicham))
[13:07:16] %asterat: so it can also have v-create
[13:07:23] @unfixable: or shell smash
[13:07:25] @unfixable: or spore
[13:07:27] @unfixable: or king's shield
[13:07:29] @unfixable: everything really
[13:07:30] %Uselesscrab: so, an example set:
[13:07:32] %Adrian Marin BH: Thanks to the freedom Balanced Hackmons has to offer,
[13:07:39] %Uselesscrab: mega rayquaza holding a life orb
[13:07:44] %Uselesscrab: with aerilate (mega pinsir's ability)
[13:07:53] %Uselesscrab: and the moves fake out, extreme speed, boomburst, and a coverage move
[13:08:10] @unfixable: it's worth to note that because shedinja is so prominent
[13:08:10] %Uselesscrab: happens to be a really common threat
[13:08:12] @unfixable: many pokemon choose to run mold breaker
[13:08:15] @unfixable: or infestation
[13:08:18] %Uselesscrab: yeah, about shedinja:
[13:08:18] %asterat: shedinja runs sturdy
[13:08:23] %asterat: meaning it lives any attack
[13:08:30] %Uselesscrab: so you have to use passive damage to KO it
[13:08:32] %asterat: except mold breakers and residual damage stuff
[13:08:38] %Adrian Marin BH: Very few Pokemon are viable in Balanced Hackmons, thanks to the freedom
[13:08:44] @unfixable: but wait we got a really good question via PM
[13:09:16] %Adrian Marin BH: Viability is defined by stats, typing, and sometimes items that work better on specific holders
[13:09:31] @unfixable: very good point was just made
[13:09:34] @unfixable: we need to go one person at a time
[13:10:42] %Adrian Marin BH: Can I go?
[13:10:49] @unfixable: just a minute
[13:10:58] @unfixable: we're holding a break for two seconds to figure this out, so sorry
[13:12:39] @unfixable: Adrian Marin BH and Uselesscrab will be going over Balanced Hackmons.
[13:12:51] %Uselesscrab: okay
[13:13:06] %Uselesscrab: so as I stated earlier, almost any move and ability are allowed on any Pokemon
[13:13:08] %Uselesscrab: !om BH
- Balanced Hackmons
- Balanced Hackmons Suspect Discussion
[13:13:12] %Uselesscrab: more information there ^
[13:13:45] %Adrian Marin BH: And as I said earlier, very few Pokemon are viable
[13:13:46] %Uselesscrab: bans are OHKO moves, wonder guard, shadow tag, arena trap, huge power, pure power, parental bond, and evasion
[13:14:09] %Adrian Marin BH: This is due to the freedom Balanced Hackmons permits
[13:14:33] %Uselesscrab: so we've received a question
[13:14:42] %Uselesscrab: what makes Balanced Hackmons different from normal Hackmons?
[13:14:49] %Uselesscrab: the answer is the bans I listed above
[13:15:00] %Uselesscrab: normal Hackmons, which is now known as Classic Hackmons,
[13:15:16] %Uselesscrab: includes things like No Guard + Sheer Cold Deoxys-Speed and Wonder Guard anything
[13:15:22] %Adrian Marin BH: The bans may not seem like much, but it's what makes Balanced Hackmons "balanced"
[13:15:22] %Uselesscrab: but in balanced hackmons,
[13:15:26] %Uselesscrab: [11:14:04] %Uselesscrab: bans are OHKO moves, wonder guard, shadow tag, arena trap, huge power, pure power, parental bond, and evasion
[13:15:30] @unfixable: good question btw :]
[13:15:34] %Uselesscrab: yeah nice one
[13:15:41] %Uselesscrab: very important for clarification
[13:15:45] %Uselesscrab: some other minutiae:
[13:15:50] %Uselesscrab: megas can be used without their stones
[13:15:54] %Uselesscrab: e.g. life orb mewtwo-mega-x
[13:16:00] %Adrian Marin BH: Yes, as well as form changes
[13:16:21] %Adrian Marin BH: E.g, you can use Darmanitan-Zen without having to use Zen Mode with Darmanitan
[13:16:26] %Adrian Marin BH: At the beginning of the battle
[13:16:32] %Uselesscrab: instead you could give it an ability like fur coat
[13:17:00] %Adrian Marin BH: Additionally, it's worth noting that Mega Pokemon and form changes have the exact same effects with their exclusive items
[13:17:12] %Adrian Marin BH: Which means Mega Latios can use Soul Dew, and Mega Pokemon can Mega Evolve again
[13:17:39] %Uselesscrab: two more important things to note before we move on:
[13:17:44] %Uselesscrab: 1) the presence of Sturdy Shedinja
[13:17:53] %Uselesscrab: it cannot be killed by direct attacks
[13:18:05] %Uselesscrab: instead you need passive damage, like stealth rock, burn, leech seed, etc.
[13:18:09] %Uselesscrab: or the ability mold breaker.
[13:18:14] %Uselesscrab: 2) the presence of Imposter
[13:18:16] %Uselesscrab: !dt imposter
ImposterOn switch-in, this Pokemon copies the foe it's facing; stats, moves, types, Ability.
[13:18:25] %Adrian Marin BH: This is commonly used with Chansey
[13:18:28] %Adrian Marin BH: !dt Chansey
[13:18:37] %Adrian Marin BH: And yes, it still gets the Eviolite boost
[13:19:18] %Adrian Marin BH: Thanks to its massive HP, it's basically twice as bulky as the opposer for the most paet
[13:19:20] %Uselesscrab: as a result,
[13:19:33] %Uselesscrab: sweepers should run ways of countering imposter and sturdy shedinja
[13:19:46] %Uselesscrab: Adrian, anything else notable before we move to AAA
[13:19:50] %Uselesscrab: ?
[13:19:53] %Adrian Marin BH: Yes
[13:20:01] %Adrian Marin BH: Chansey can also use the item: Lucky Punch
[13:20:10] %Adrian Marin BH: !dt Lucky Punch
Lucky PunchIf holder is a Chansey, its critical hit ratio is boosted by 2.
Fling Base Power: 40
[13:20:20] %Adrian Marin BH: Thanks for mentioning, @ Woodboys23
[13:20:39] %Uselesscrab: okay,
[13:20:43] %Adrian Marin BH: This effectively grants Chansey the ability to abuse the opposing Pokemon's moves with a 50% crit rate
[13:21:04] %Uselesscrab: so for more information about BH check out the thread here:
[13:21:05] %Uselesscrab: !om BH
- Balanced Hackmons
- Balanced Hackmons Suspect Discussion
[13:21:08] @unfixable: Thank you Uselesscrab, Adrian Marin BH!
[13:21:11] %Uselesscrab: and the viability rankings thread here http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons-viability-rankings.3520997/
[13:21:17] %Uselesscrab: now,
[13:21:18] @unfixable: asterat will be going over AAA now
[13:21:34] %Uselesscrab: AAA means Almost Any Ability
[13:22:05] @unfixable: Ok, so, asterat had to step out for a moment.
[13:22:11] @unfixable: we're gonna skip that for a moment
[13:22:13] @unfixable: and come back to it
[13:22:20] %Uselesscrab: STABmons instead?
[13:22:25] @unfixable: STABmons now, word and I will be sharing
[13:22:29] %Uselesscrab: ok cool :)
[13:22:31] %word: !om stabmons
- STABmons
- STABmons Viability Rankings
[13:22:46] @unfixable: ok, let's get it
[13:23:04] @unfixable: STABmons stands for Same-Type-Attack-Bonus
[13:23:09] @unfixable: this means STAB, every Pokemon has it
[13:23:18] @unfixable: what's special is that all Pokemon get access to moves of their own types
[13:23:26] @unfixable: for example, gardevoir can now learn psycho boost because it is psychic
[13:23:34] @unfixable: or it can learn play rough because it's a fairy type
[13:23:59] @unfixable: this is also passed by evolution
[13:23:59] %word: pokemon are also able to learn moves that share a type with their pre evolutions
[13:24:12] @unfixable: ex: altaria can learn shell smash because swablu is a noral type, gallade can learn play rough because ralts is a fairy type, etc
[13:24:36] @unfixable: we currently have 6 S Rank Pokemon
[13:25:25] @unfixable: Diggersby - Diggersby can pull off around four fantastic sets and is a powerful threat with shell smash and extreme speeed in its arsenal. It can also run Belly Drum sets, Choice Band sets, or lead sets; has very few counters as well
[13:25:44] @unfixable: Heatran - fantastic check-all to practically everything, creates Doom Desire games
[13:25:55] @unfixable: also, good question by Albino Hyena
[13:25:58] @unfixable: Albino Hyena: I have another question. Does that mean pokemon can learn the signature moves of legendaries as well? For example, Raichu learning Fusion Bolt?
[13:26:07] @unfixable: the answer is yes, even event moves are able to be learned
[13:26:13] @unfixable: ex: fire-types can all learn v-creat
[13:26:41] %word: it's worth noting that unreleased moves can't be learned though
[13:26:41] @unfixable: anyways
[13:26:41] %word: such as thousand waves/thousand arrows
[13:26:42] @unfixable: landorus - powerful wallbreaker, Hurricane is insane
[13:26:42] %Adrian Marin BH: !dt V-Create
[13:26:48] @unfixable: Sableye - Checks practically everything with Parting Shot and Topsy-turvey
[13:27:02] @unfixable: the current banlist is Porygon-Z, Ubers, and Sylveon
[13:27:05] %word: sableye has prankster dark void too, which is very annoying
[13:27:11] @unfixable: however, Porygon-Z is on retest possibly
[13:27:58] @unfixable: if you're unsure of a move, do /dt ___! i will also be doing !dt
[13:28:05] @unfixable: porygon-z is banned because of its insane Adapatabiliy Boomburst, while Sylveon's Pixilate Boombursts were way too strong.
[13:28:19] @unfixable: but, what are good counters to popular threats like Diggersby and such?
[13:28:41] @unfixable: Diggersby lacks solid counters, but the best you can come by is Gengar and / or Gourgeist
[13:28:54] @unfixable: both are immune to Extreme Speed and resist Earthquake, Gengar actually is immune.
[13:29:05] @unfixable: But, it can run Wild Charge and various coverage, along with gaining Knock Off.
[13:29:17] %word: Landorus-Therian is a good check, thanks to intimidate, ground immunity and access to Roost
[13:29:20] @unfixable: Going off of what word said, it can not learn Thousand Arrows because it is unreleased
[13:30:17] @unfixable: !dt thousand arrows
[13:30:39] @unfixable: anyways, the rest of S Rank
[13:31:02] @unfixable: Thundurus - Insane power and Oblivion Wing push it into S Rank, also fantastic offensive check with Thunder Wave
[13:31:19] @unfixable: Mega Tyranitar - Between having Knock Off / Diamond Storm / Sucker Punch, not much stands in the way
[13:31:39] %asterat: also to note
[13:31:43] %asterat: if you have a type change
[13:31:45] %asterat: for example
[13:31:49] %asterat: larvitar is psrt ground
[13:31:52] %asterat: you get their moves
[13:31:59] %asterat: so tyranitar gets spikes, etc.
[13:32:27] @unfixable: k
[13:32:27] @unfixable: so we have to wrap this up because it's been going on for awhile o_o
[13:32:40] @unfixable: we'll go over AAA in next workshop, we have two more parts!
[13:32:49] @unfixable: Now, question and answer time!
[13:33:00] @unfixable: OH WAIT
[13:33:02] @unfixable: one last thing
[13:33:16] @unfixable: gyarados can not learn dark-type moves because mega gyarados is dark-type
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[13:33:24] @unfixable: but it's only water / flying in base form
[13:33:26] @unfixable: one final announcement
[13:33:30] #Redew: voices please do not talk still
[13:33:38] %asterat: we are going to have more of these
[13:33:48] @unfixable: I'm happy to announce that the OM Hub is finally back and ready to be used! http://www.smogon.com/tiers/om/
[13:33:57] %Uselesscrab: nice
[13:34:08] @unfixable: It's been a WIP, but Eevee General, Hollywood, and I have kicked it back off the ground!!
[13:34:12] @unfixable: go check it out :')
[13:34:36] %Uselesscrab: you can also see a recap of OMPL there, by the way
[13:34:37] %Uselesscrab: we had our own premier league that included most of the major other metagames
[13:34:40] @unfixable: Redew, Modchat can be turned off for questions now :]
[13:34:47] #Redew: uhh sure
[13:34:55] #Redew: i'd recommend having people pm you questions though
[13:34:58] #Redew: then answering here
[13:35:02] @unfixable: ok that's fine too
[13:35:03] %Uselesscrab: that's a better idea yeah
[13:35:07] #Redew: because lots of people will talk
[13:35:15] @unfixable: feel free to PM me, asterat, Uselesscrab, or Adrian Marin BH, or word with any questions!
[13:35:39] %Uselesscrab: regarding the submission process, the nature of Other Metagames, difference between OMs and Pet Mods, and BH or STABmons
[13:35:45] %Uselesscrab: pretty much everything we went over
[13:36:31] @unfixable: xzern: which pet mods have been coded into the server
[13:36:46] @unfixable: None have been coded so far, none really are able to
[13:36:48] %Uselesscrab: none as of yet, right?
[13:36:49] %Uselesscrab: but
[13:37:09] %Uselesscrab: Slayer95 has done a lot of helpful coding, and it seems like there is a possibility of them being coded in the future
[13:37:13] %Adrian Marin BH: A few pet mods have been coded before
[13:37:20] %Adrian Marin BH: But all the servers hosting them
[13:37:21] @unfixable: I mean on the server, so far
[13:37:23] %Adrian Marin BH: Have died
[13:37:24] @unfixable: except Gen-NEXT
[13:37:35] %Uselesscrab: yeah Zarel's NEXT is technically a Pet Mod too
[13:37:40] %Uselesscrab: though it has its own room
[13:38:26] %Uselesscrab: more questions?
[13:38:30] %Adrian Marin BH: Yes
[13:38:41] %Adrian Marin BH: Many ask "what is a pet mod"
[13:38:46] %Uselesscrab: ah k
[13:39:25] %Uselesscrab: any metagame with mostly custom changes
[13:39:36] %asterat: changes
[13:39:42] %asterat: subjectively based
[13:39:54] %Uselesscrab: so in other words, metagames that involve creating new pokemon, moves, or abilities would be classified as pet mods
[13:40:12] %asterat: they are not eligible for omotm
[13:40:21] %Uselesscrab: the example I gave earlier was Megas for All, a community project that systematically gives new mega evolutions to every Pokemon
[13:40:40] %Uselesscrab: Ununhexium: does that make CAP a pet mod
[13:40:47] %asterat: yes
[13:40:52] %Uselesscrab: if it were an OM, yes
[13:40:59] %asterat: we aren't really sure why cap exists
[13:41:00] %Uselesscrab: it is one only technically
[13:41:04] %Adrian Marin BH: CAP is a community project
[13:41:05] %asterat: but because it's a community project
[13:41:10] %asterat: it's allowed to be it's own thing
[13:41:12] %Adrian Marin BH: It's not officially an Other Metagame
[13:41:24] %Uselesscrab: yeah, that's the best explanation really
[13:41:26] %asterat: you canot make a pet mod and expect it to turn into cap
[13:41:49] %Uselesscrab: new question:
[13:41:49] %asterat: tbh
[13:41:55] %asterat: when it started, DjD was a very important smogon member
[13:42:11] %Uselesscrab: by the way
[13:42:23] %Uselesscrab: the reason why many pet mods aren't coded is because they are usually very complex and expansive
[13:42:30] %Uselesscrab: another question I got:
[13:42:31] %Uselesscrab: xInsrew: custom game is an om?
[13:42:36] %asterat: umm
[13:42:40] %Adrian Marin BH: Custom Game is not an OM
[13:42:45] %Uselesscrab: custom game is not technically an Other Metagame, more of just a format on the simulator
[13:42:48] @unfixable: This is all the time we have, sadly! Please post any further questions here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagame-workshop-now.3521161/!
[13:43:01] %Adrian Marin BH: All Other Metagames have a thread
[13:43:06] %Adrian Marin BH: Once they're approved by the OM team
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[13:43:10] Albino Hyena: Thanks for the workshop guys~
[13:43:12] +BetaHousing: aight
[13:43:14] #Redew: good work everyone
[13:43:15] +slayerx725232: That was amazing.
[13:43:15] @xzern: nice workshop
[13:43:15] Exeggutor: so abrupt
[13:43:16] %Adrian Marin BH: They officially become an Other Metagame
[13:43:19] xInsrew: thanks guys <3
[13:43:19] @unfixable: hope you guys enjoyed this workshop and learned!
[13:43:23] QueBien: thanks
[13:43:26] %Uselesscrab: unfixable
[13:43:27] +Eevee General: I know I did
[13:43:27] +slayerx725232: (I totally didn't pay any attention but is fine cause you all seemingly did amazing.)
[13:43:28] %asterat: I think we're having one in the future
[13:43:31] %asterat: idk
[13:43:32] MonteCrist0: fyi the link is broken unfixable
[13:43:33] %Uselesscrab: the link didnt work because of the ! so try this:
[13:43:34] @unfixable: we're having another soon
[13:43:34] %Uselesscrab: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagame-workshop-now.3521161/
[13:43:35] %asterat: unfixable runs it
[13:43:35] QUESTlON: who can help with ou
[13:43:37] @unfixable: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagame-workshop-now.3521161/
[13:43:38] +BetaHousing: Also, Custom Games is not an OM, but you can play certain OMs on it
[13:43:41] @unfixable: here
[13:43:52] +BetaHousing: like xXFinalDestinationXx
[13:44:09] +Uselesscrab: yeah good work all, sorry for the rough start
[13:44:10] +Eevee General: final destination is just a rumor...
[13:44:12] @unfixable: see ya guys later!
[13:44:15] @Darnell claps
[13:44:25] Albino Hyena throws confetti
[13:44:25] +word: xXFinalDestinationXx is not an OM, it is a way of life
[13:44:38] @Darnell: Contact those guys for any more questions^