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  1. [7:37:00 PM] lewy ~: ok hi babs
  2. [7:37:56 PM] Hellhound: hello
  3. [7:38:01 PM] lewy ~: so i've read through the logs of yesteryear(day night) and i'm a bit idk ... perturbed?
  4. [7:38:15 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: o/
  5. [7:38:22 PM] lewy ~: i'll just point some issues i see and i'll let you guys read n discuss them
  6. [7:41:16 PM] lewy ~: 1. we've been talking about becoming more focused on driving our story, running our guild. doing our thing. why were we pressed in to an event based around a discontinued suncrown storyline (bc the guild is gone), based on the emerald dream???, in a territory where we, especially as sin'dorei, would be at v. high risk. i don't get it.
  7. [7:41:50 PM] lewy ~: 2. i know liam is v. passionate and can get quite frustrated, and he's especially having a shitty time of late, but he wasn't met with much intelligence bar from what aelayna was saying or what bea said briefly
  8. [7:41:58 PM] lewy ~: otherwise everyone was v. flippant and that was unfair
  9. [7:42:31 PM] lewy ~: 3. i'm not impressed oliver didn't say much and sat back like he was gunna observe and i think really he should've done more
  10. [7:42:42 PM] lewy ~: publicly, at least.
  11. [7:42:51 PM] Hellhound: About what? ^^
  12. [7:42:58 PM] lewy ~: the idea of having loads oflittle splinter groups with words spoken behind walls isn't that cool
  13. [7:43:01 PM] Hellhound: Liam's cute little tantrum?
  14. [7:43:05 PM] Hellhound: or the event?
  15. [7:43:16 PM] lewy ~: all of it, as well as your attitude
  16. [7:43:20 PM] lewy ~: case and point
  17. [7:43:27 PM] lewy ~: if we're officers we put ourselves above this, typically
  18. [7:43:57 PM] Hellhound: My attitude?
  19. [7:44:44 PM] lewy ~: "Liam's cute little tantrum?", not necessary, i'd appreciate a level of respect talkin about this like i'm sure i'd get from bea momentarily
  20. [7:45:02 PM] Hellhound: Wow, fuck fof.
  21. [7:45:04 PM] Hellhound: off*
  22. [7:45:14 PM] Hellhound: How about your attitude lately, Lewy? eh?
  23. [7:45:39 PM] lewy ~: we can talk about me afterwards if that's ok but as i brought my issue up first let's do it in order
  24. [7:45:56 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: Considering it's Wolfy's event at least he was calm about it. Liam pretty much have a tantrum, he may of not agreed but it did go somewhat far especially as he then left all over two events.
  25.  
  26. I do have a question though, no matter the event, are we not supposed to discuss all events here before approving them? I think that's what I found surprising, I understand it is to continue a storyline but it's a storyline from another guild. We should have say if it should be continued within our guild or not.
  27. [7:45:58 PM] Hellhound: I see nothing wrong with my attitude, so why even address it as an issue?
  28. [7:46:53 PM] lewy ~: i agree with you bea, i do not think liam's methods were as calm or as acceptable as they could have been for such an eloquent person
  29. [7:47:13 PM] lewy ~: but he had points that were not paid attention to and he got frustrated
  30. [7:47:21 PM] lewy ~: so understandably emotions ran high
  31. [7:47:39 PM] lewy ~: and exactly, i forgot to note before, what sort of forethought and preplanning when in to this event?
  32. [7:47:50 PM] lewy ~: "wolfy had an idea from a month ago let's do it tomorrow night"
  33. [7:49:12 PM] Hellhound: They planned it through the entire evening, sure it was short notice but still. It's a great plan
  34. [7:49:14 PM] Hellhound: we need events
  35. [7:49:27 PM] lewy ~: we need our events.
  36. [7:49:41 PM] Hellhound: It is our event
  37. [7:50:13 PM] Jamie Allen: This is technically our event, Varric and Arn are going, as is Sori.
  38. [7:50:21 PM] lewy ~: anyway i look forward to seeing what jamie can input when he gets a chance ofc and what oliver has to say and indeed whatever anyone else wants to say but i don't have anything else to say anymore
  39. [7:52:46 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: I'm am glad that events are being provided, it doesn't mean it should be passed without all officers knowing and discussing if it should be approved or not.
  40.  
  41. Hell, before I just pop my firelands event up for later this year I am still going to give you all the basic structure for you all to judge if it's appropriate it or not.
  42. [7:54:19 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: If we'd of known at least the locations in Ashenvale we could of stopped Liam's outburst from last night and reassured it is more within Horde territory but still at possible risk of encountering alliance.
  43.  
  44. Simple things like that, though that's my opinion on the matter.
  45. [7:54:29 PM] Jamie Allen: My input is that Liam got a little overzelous, the fact that it was never a discussion is why I decided to not be part of it last night. It decended into artuments and swearing far to quickly.
  46.  
  47. The event itself is not as falwed in my eyes as it was put to be. Ashenvae is constested territory and has been sicne Vanilla with the orc pressance, more so now than ever. Wardens are mostly with Kadgar in Draenor in lore wise to my knowledge or in Hyjal guarding the prisons still.
  48.  
  49. We do need events, We have only had a sparce few since the guild started back up and we need to get everyone rping again whether casual or event wise. However we do need to ahve them discussed first, to make sure that things like this do not happen. Its why with my events, especialyl the changing Zaraven one I ran it by so taht any questions could be answered before someone asked them and got bad responses.
  50. [7:54:59 PM] Jamie Allen: *flawed
  51. [7:56:43 PM] Hellhound: THT
  52. [7:56:44 PM] Hellhound: THAT
  53. [7:56:46 PM] Hellhound: is the fucking thing
  54. [7:56:52 PM] Hellhound: tht really pisses me off
  55. [7:56:52 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: I suggest from now on we have all events run through us, so that we as officers can inform other members of any potential misunderstandings, IC risk or just an overview.
  56. [7:57:02 PM] Hellhound: if you guys gonna plan a fucking event, don't freeze the other officers out
  57. [7:57:12 PM] Hellhound: we also need to know and be able to agree on stuff
  58. [7:57:14 PM] Hellhound: fucking hell
  59. [7:57:42 PM] lewy ~: i agree, if ther was perhaps awareness across the board where everyone has an equal understanding, officers and otherwise, there would not have been an issue yesterday because forethought would've made an impact
  60. [7:58:21 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: We have this chat for a reason, we now have Trello as well, so we have easily accessible places to get updated on and give our opinions.
  61.  
  62. That said, we must inform all members that if they wish to create an event to inform and officer first so we can review it.
  63. [7:59:01 PM] Hellhound: ^
  64. [7:59:05 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: (As in said officer can bring it here and on Trello.)
  65. [7:59:37 PM] Jose G.: I'm sorry. right.
  66. [7:59:42 PM] Jose G.: But this is all plain idiotic
  67. [7:59:53 PM] Jose G.: 'u are breaking the lore omg /gquit'
  68. [8:00:23 PM] Jose G.: What happened to staying open-minded
  69. [8:00:26 PM] Hellhound: The entire thing with Liam is just childish and immature.
  70. [8:00:31 PM] Jose G.: What happened to giving things a try
  71. [8:00:40 PM] Hellhound: But I'm interested what Lewy meant with 'my attitude'
  72. [8:00:41 PM] Hellhound: ^^-
  73. [8:00:43 PM] Jose G.: What happened to being reasonable instead of overreacting over the smallest of things?
  74. [8:00:47 PM] lewy ~: okay if there aren't any new points to be made, on a separate note,
  75. [8:01:07 PM] lewy ~: if anyone wanted to talk about my behaviours i welcome it in a v. openminded and non antagonistic way
  76. [8:01:28 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: What's going on here?...
  77. [8:01:55 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: I really don't have anything to say on that matter personally.
  78. [8:02:47 PM] Hellhound: Lewy, what is it with MY attitude that bothers you, since you brought it up?
  79. [8:05:02 PM] lewy ~: https://gyazo.com/dbef9fdeb4c149818dea7463b7f70a28 https://gyazo.com/7e6853f2c00fcf3c9ba3004dfdffa976 as only two examples of multiple times where you have behaved quite poorly and unfairly, and equally, incited further issues to be had
  80. [8:05:13 PM] lewy ~: i feel as an officer you should not be doing these things
  81. [8:05:28 PM] lewy ~: and should work more efficiently and maturely in this channel for example
  82. [8:09:09 PM] Hellhound: I've had it it. If that points to me behaving poorly that you should start taking a look over WHAT you say Lewy
  83. [8:09:12 PM] Hellhound: I'm done.
  84. [8:09:20 PM] Hellhound: Fuck you.
  85. [8:09:22 PM] Hellhound: Lewy
  86. [8:09:35 PM] Jose G.: Guys, calm down....
  87. [8:09:38 PM] *** Hellhound has left ***
  88. [8:09:40 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Calm down. Everyone.
  89. [8:09:43 PM] lewy ~: i'm perfectly calm rn
  90. [8:09:44 PM] lewy ~: just sayin
  91. [8:09:50 PM] lewy ~: i've approached this very carefully and softly
  92. [8:09:51 PM] Jose G.: We are all falling apart from one person
  93. [8:09:53 PM] lewy ~: and made controlled points
  94. [8:09:59 PM] Jose G.: because *
  95. [8:10:07 PM] lewy ~: i contest you saying we're falling apart because liam had more developed views than others
  96. [8:10:09 PM] lewy ~: that isn't happening
  97. [8:10:15 PM] lewy ~: anyway, let oliver read
  98. [8:10:18 PM] lewy ~: and he'll come back to us
  99. [8:10:51 PM] Jose G.: There is a clear difference between contested and not being able to able disapproval lewy, don't be deslusional
  100. [8:10:58 PM] Jose G.: handle *
  101. [8:11:28 PM] lewy ~: i contest, and you assume liam is not able to handle disapproval, so idk why you're making a connection between those two statements to me
  102. [8:11:38 PM] lewy ~: anyway i'll await olivers response
  103. [8:12:51 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: I'll look things through. Properly. When I get home ASAP.
  104. [8:13:01 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Lewy. Liam showed very clear signs of not being capable of discussing things or arguing it for both sides last night.
  105. [8:13:11 PM] Jose G.: ^
  106. [8:13:23 PM] lewy ~: oliver, you first read everything and then you make statements
  107. [8:13:26 PM] lewy ~: do not focus on liam
  108. [8:13:29 PM] lewy ~: that is not my primary concern
  109. [8:13:35 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: I'll put this here, despite there being calm responses last night, I feel Liam may be a little stubborn upon his views on established lore. That makes me have a feeling he may always contest anything said that doesn't agree to his VIEW on the Lore.
  110. [8:13:42 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: I'm heading out to tell the hosts I'm leaving now, and I will be home ASAP.
  111. [8:14:01 PM] Jose G.: I agree with Bea and everyone also seems to agree, other than Lewy
  112. [8:14:30 PM] lewy ~: i also want to add i'm not whiteknighting for liam, and i'm more than happy for liam to be spoken to with regards to curbing his enthusiasm as it were
  113. [8:15:02 PM] lewy ~: i also want to say that i've agreed with bea's points too and i hope jose can reread what i've said instead of make assumptions of my standing points
  114. [8:15:58 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: I think now, we should just wait for Ollie's input on the general matter.
  115.  
  116. Eats dinner and waits
  117. [8:32:20 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: I'm home, and I'm angry. Now what the fuck is this shit about. Goes to read
  118. [8:41:05 PM] *** Oliver L.P. Sørensen added Hellhound ***
  119. [8:41:06 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: The Suncrown's IC situation - as also stated during the IC merger - was that they joined as the Suncrown Covenant under House Rivorndir's banner. They continued their storyline, and openly invited other guildies to come along should they so desire.
  120.  
  121. The reason it was so 'sudden' was because Wolfy had been in the hospital for well about 10 days when they wanted to do it as the Suncrown, with his recovery lately, he has not been up to shape to do events, and as this weekend is the LAST weekend of his summer vacation before starting the final year of his college, he wanted to drop it in quickly and do it for the guild, since it seemed to lack activity.
  122.  
  123. As for the event idea itself. The plan was to linger at Azshara borders, then to go for a dagger which is the second one in a set, in Ashenvale quickly in a skirmish, which leads to a bigger plotline, which was to culminate in Felwood.
  124. [8:42:50 PM] Hellhound: ^
  125. [8:43:23 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Liam's behaviour was OUT OF LINE. Openly saying it is stupid, calling it and Wolfy idiotic at several occasions, and being hellbent on his own view. This is NOT what I want lingering with us. He should have gone to a private chat with Wolfy and discussed his concerns then if it is, carefully asking for an explanation and try to solve it if he has this big a gripe with it. Or stay the hell out of it/away from the event. End of.
  126. [8:44:11 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Not go throwing tantrums in the sense he has, and has done before over Skype calls with me there, quitting chat and then quitting guild with some overly sensitive behaviour/message.
  127. [8:44:29 PM] Jose G.: Exactly
  128. [8:44:34 PM | Edited 8:44:59 PM] lewy ~: if you could look at my points and respond to those it'd be appreciated
  129. [8:44:47 PM] lewy ~: we're focused on liam because loads of people have cried about liam crying and it's really not
  130. [8:44:49 PM] lewy ~: of interest to me
  131. [8:50:19 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: First point: I already covered this, Suncrown is still 'in existence', although serving under Rivorndir banner. This was not an event anyone was forced to go to, as our events never have been.
  132.  
  133. Second point: I am well aware of Liam's situation as I have sat up to 4 am listening to his breakdowns, and behaviour, to his situation and alike. He was met with exactly what he delivered, and with him going off on a tangent, derailing it onto belittling Wolfy to such an extent, I will not stand for.
  134.  
  135. Third point: To my knowledge I was arguing the point to the same extent as the rest. What did you want me to do, Lewy? Please, do explain? Try and sugar coat something, or lean towards something I did not believe was the right approach? IC is IC, and a person's IC decision making when it comes to sending a small Group to set into an (almost) isolated location in Ashenvale which has been for longer periods of time, A: Overgrown to the extend that vile creatures occupy. B: Demonic presence, clearly the Kaldorei is doing a shit job at purging it. C: We're going there briefly. It's not like we're staying there for a week or alike. We're in there, grab something, and using Ashenvale as a Means of passage to the Felwoods, as it is the only REALISTIC means we can have to go there.
  136. [8:50:30 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Reads over my stuff to make sure
  137. [8:57:13 PM] lewy ~: i feel, that if we feel there is a lack of guild events, we should work to produce them. i was looking to you for you to acknowledge this and not instead stand by a quick grab event to fill a hole and occupy people while they get idle. i do not see how we are icly interested in this storyline. i'd like for you to explain that.
  138.  
  139. if we're to continue to speak about how liam has acted out, i'd like to then bring up the fact that i am finding fanfan to be consistently petulant and unhelpful as seen in her own temper tantrums she has thrown, as well as how she incites particular types of conversation in /g as pictured and how other members such as arneran are able to slander and slag off while being wholly ignorant to the bigger picture. this should be addressed.
  140.  
  141. i do feel that you observed quietly last night, if looking at the public chat was anything to go by. if perhaps you, and i quote, liam's behaviour is not what you want lingering with us, you should have relayed this to him in a controlled conversation. but i don't believe you did. you have opinions but minimal conviction to put them to anyone else until something like this happens. i find your style idle.
  142.  
  143. you have also failed to accept that there was no forethought or planning or officer consideration to this storyline that i believe is what caused this incident to begin with.
  144. [8:58:30 PM] lewy ~: we've put problems to this chat and it doesn't appear that anyone but me or bea has the capacity to learn from them and act differently
  145. [8:58:41 PM] lewy ~: i find jose and fanfan are just here to twist knives
  146. [8:58:54 PM] lewy ~: and i feel you get lost in the drama that is irrelevant instead of looking at what is important
  147. [8:59:14 PM] Hellhound: Are we just here to twist the knives? Stop making shit up Lewy.
  148. [8:59:34 PM] lewy ~: fanfan if you are drunk perhaps you should not participate in this conversation until you've the capacity to behave better
  149. [8:59:50 PM] lewy ~: if you're not, and you're being you, perhaps you should not participate in this conversation until you've the capacity to behave better
  150. [9:00:39 PM] Jose G.: Oliver already explained this was not a forced event, this was something for anyone willing to join to take part off
  151. [9:00:48 PM] Hellhound: You aren't really the one to talk Lewy, like really. Who are you do judge when you behave exacly the same? Both in the Officer chat and the guild chat?
  152. [9:01:09 PM] Hellhound: YOu don't hear us complain, we accept you. But clearly you can't accept us.. because everything have to be so tidy for you.
  153. [9:01:15 PM] lewy ~: if you can provide examples of when i've done this other than my behaviour recently where i got mad at sam's poor roleplaying then i'm interested
  154. [9:01:21 PM] lewy ~: if you just feel hard done by then i'm not
  155. [9:01:23 PM] Hellhound: I left once, I can happily leave again until I get a apology from you.
  156. [9:01:32 PM] lewy ~: you will receive no apology
  157. [9:01:44 PM] lewy ~: anyway, drama aside
  158. [9:01:47 PM] Hellhound: I will happily for the time being printscreen every rude behaviour you do.
  159. [9:01:48 PM] lewy ~: back to the points i made
  160. [9:01:54 PM] Hellhound: You are the one creating the fucking drama.
  161. [9:02:14 PM] Hellhound: So I don't think you have even the right to say "drama aside"
  162. [9:02:19 PM] lewy ~: sorry, fanfan aside
  163. [9:02:23 PM] lewy ~: i'll await oliver to chat some more
  164. [9:02:35 PM] Hellhound: PROPER, apology Lewy.
  165. [9:02:44 PM] lewy ~: i meant you were the drama
  166. [9:02:46 PM] lewy ~: i didn't apologise
  167. [9:02:52 PM] lewy ~: as i said, awaiting for oliver to talk now
  168. [9:02:52 PM] Hellhound: Cunt
  169. [9:03:26 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Before anything else. Lewy. Remove Liam from the Rivorndir Mic Chat thank you very much, and I will get to it with writing up my response.
  170. [9:03:36 PM] lewy ~: can you explain why
  171. [9:03:40 PM] lewy ~: you'd like me to do that
  172. [9:03:44 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: He's not part of the Rivorndirs anymore.
  173. [9:03:47 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Simple as.
  174. [9:03:53 PM] lewy ~: is that something you'd like to tell him
  175. [9:03:54 PM] Jose G.: And yet Lewy claims he is not being a Knight in shining armour for Liam
  176. [9:03:55 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: He left the Group chat, and he left the guild.
  177. [9:04:02 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: He made his choice.
  178. [9:04:09 PM] Hellhound: ^
  179. [9:04:10 PM] Jose G.: Seems like Lewy and liam share the same passionate attitude
  180. [9:04:11 PM] lewy ~: didn't fanfan make her choice 10 minutes ago
  181. [9:04:19 PM] Jose G.: Fan fan didn't leave the guild
  182. [9:04:19 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: And now I am home early from something I wanted to do to unwind, fuming and having to deal with this.
  183. [9:04:23 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Exactly what Jose said.
  184. [9:04:25 PM] lewy ~: well she stopped being an officer
  185. [9:04:27 PM] lewy ~: if she left this chat
  186. [9:04:34 PM] lewy ~: if we're gunna play
  187. [9:04:35 PM] lewy ~: these games
  188. [9:04:37 PM] lewy ~: that is
  189. [9:04:41 PM | Edited 9:04:45 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Impulse actions =/= Final decisions.
  190. [9:04:51 PM] lewy ~: who said his was a final decision
  191. [9:04:56 PM] lewy ~: and not an impulse action
  192. [9:05:05 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Well after reading a chat log I got elsewhere from, I am well aware he has thought this thought.
  193. [9:05:17 PM] Jose G.: Lewy, cut the Sass. You think and cute and all, but honestly it's not. it's annoying and frustrating and the majority of us put up with it because you -CAN- be a good officer
  194. [9:05:17 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: So Lewy. I am asking you to remove him from the Rivorndir chat. Now.
  195. [9:05:18 PM] lewy ~: can you bring this to my attention
  196. [9:05:21 PM] lewy ~: this log
  197. [9:05:45 PM] Jose G.: Now you are being childish and it doesn't suit you
  198. [9:05:55 PM] lewy ~: i'm making reasonable requests
  199. [9:06:01 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: No, I will not, as I am not meant to have it in the first place, and this was given to me in confidence. But I am however putting my foot down and telling you to do this Lewy.
  200. [9:06:15 PM] lewy ~: again oliver, no conviction
  201. [9:06:26 PM] lewy ~: i'll ask liam
  202. [9:06:29 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Lewy, I am on the verge of truely finishing this conversation right now.
  203. [9:06:31 PM] lewy ~: in a controleld careful way
  204. [9:06:36 PM] Hellhound: Guildmaster have spoken Lewy
  205. [9:06:59 PM] Jose G.: Lewy it seems to me like you would rather betray your own guild for the sake of another
  206. [9:07:04 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: He has been on the fence for jumping ship for several days now.
  207. [9:07:07 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: To go join the Curative Concern.
  208. [9:07:14 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: He made his decision.
  209. [9:07:15 PM] lewy ~: "I would like to come back to the guild, but at the moment, i do not feel welcome"
  210. [9:07:18 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Now he must stick with it.
  211. [9:07:21 PM] lewy ~: he has also just explained
  212. [9:07:25 PM] Jose G.: I will not welcome Liam
  213. [9:07:27 PM] lewy ~: he does not want to be a part of the curative concern
  214. [9:08:01 PM] lewy ~: jose if you maybe ver had a point to say i'd appreciate you being here but as you never say anything important, in fact by just being one less from fanfan's repetitive ^, i really don't care ???????///// ok that's me being rude
  215. [9:08:14 PM] lewy ~: so if oliver would like to respond to what i just said about what liam just said
  216. [9:08:15 PM] lewy ~: that'd be kl
  217. [9:08:28 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Fine. Since you seem to listen to Beatrice and what she has to say, let's ask Bea to speak.
  218. [9:08:34 PM] Jose G.: Maybe if things are being repeated to you, then you are the problem?
  219. [9:08:54 PM] lewy ~: oliver you still haven't responded to my rewritten points
  220. [9:15:01 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: We are working on producing events. This entire thing with hte Suncrown storyline has been covered MULTIPLE times now. By Fanny, By Jose and by me.
  221.  
  222. I will deal with you referring to Fanny after this entire thing, as I have several members writing to me about them being now on the fence to leave, due to the entire upheaval of what is going on, and one person throwing a tantrum to this extent.
  223.  
  224. Don't speak of shit like minimal conviction Lewy. When things go too far, I will step in. I have had several chats in private with several people who are bordering up against something that's out of turn, and with his sudden belitteling, trash talking of the event and etc, then no, I am not interested in his behaviour.
  225.  
  226. Liam did NOT go privately to Wolfy to get an explanation to my knowledge, and clearly did not comprehend, that this entire thing is - as we've explained several times - a Suncrown event under the Rivorndir banner, giving people free reins to join them should they desire to. The entire thing of us lingering in Azshara, sending a skirmish into Ashenvale to secure the dagger and then heading straight for Felwood was the concept. Emerald Dream thing is a background thing for the Felwood part and to my knowledge not a part of the Ashenvale bit.
  227.  
  228. Fanny and Jose are not twisting knives, however they speak their mind on the topic from another point of view of your own.
  229.  
  230. Have I missed anything Lew? If so, please wait with your next list till after Bea has finished her message.
  231. [9:15:55 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: With that said, I still stand firmly with saying you are removing Liam from the Rivorndir mic chat, right this instant and then when things have been sorted, if they are sorted in the way I truely hope for, he can be brought back in, but not until then. Thank you.
  232. [9:17:19 PM | Edited 9:17:43 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: Right, first things first:
  233.  
  234. Impulse decision or not, Liam left both the skype chat and guild, it appears you are the only one able to remove him from the other chat. We would all appreciate it that you remove him as he is no longer part of the guild. Just like we do with other people who have left or we have removed. If he would like to return he can ask, although I would suggest with some serious thought first before making a decision. I'd hate to see another outburst like before.
  235.  
  236. So if you haven't already, please do so now instead of, and I do have to say this, being stubborn and not doing it.
  237. [9:18:23 PM] lewy ~: i'll do this, but i am incredibly disappointed in this suggestion by all of you, as this could very well be the final nail in the coffin to liam ever coming back to us. but obviously, as said, some of you do not care or want that.
  238. [9:19:23 PM] Hellhound: He made his choice, Lewy.
  239. First he left two chats on Skype, then he left guild in-game, unprovoked.
  240. [9:19:28 PM] lewy ~: you don't need to talk fanfan
  241. [9:19:31 PM] lewy ~: just sayin
  242. [9:19:33 PM] lewy ~: jose 2
  243. [9:19:40 PM] Jose G.: If he apologises to wolfy and the rest of the guild and shows he has matured and no longer expects everything to be his way, then by all means he can come back from my point
  244. [9:19:47 PM] Jose G.: We are officers in the guild, we can talk as much as we like
  245. [9:19:58 PM] Jose G.: Unfortunatly you do not hold that power over us to shut us up, lewy
  246. [9:20:11 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Let's calm it down and wait for Bea to continue now.
  247. [9:20:14 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Thank you.
  248. [9:21:07 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Thank you for doing as we asked Lewy, after the majority of people present here asked you to do so. If he truely wants to come back in the long run, he'll make do and be understanding to this. Until this is resolved however, he is not part of the guild.
  249. [9:21:52 PM] lewy ~: i'm just appalled at how you can all accept and tolerate fanfan's tantrums or arneran crying and logging off and not going to the event anymore etc etc etc and not liam's. that's all.
  250. [9:22:12 PM] lewy ~: there is a lot of hypocrisy here.
  251. [9:22:20 PM] Hellhound: Hahaha.
  252. [9:22:28 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Arn'eran crying, logging off and not going to the event? Please explain.
  253. [9:22:31 PM] lewy ~: agian, idk why fanfan is typing anything
  254. [9:22:38 PM | Edited 9:22:46 PM] Hellhound: I got the right to do it ^^
  255. [9:22:56 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Fanny, Lewy, enough internal chatter, let Lewy explain this while we wait for Bea's message.
  256. [9:22:56 PM] lewy ~: due to fanfan speaking in /g and inciting more conversations about it, evidence as pictured,
  257. [9:23:13 PM] lewy ~: arn resonded in kind and logged off
  258. [9:23:17 PM] lewy ~: but he's back walking around idly now
  259. [9:23:25 PM] lewy ~: it's just staple behaviour
  260. [9:23:28 PM] Jose G.: Lol, Arn logged off because Wolfy cancelled the event... Arn was there with me up until the very end of the event...
  261. [9:23:34 PM] lewy ~: why did wolfy cancel the event
  262. [9:23:41 PM] lewy ~: "because liam was mean"
  263. [9:23:46 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Because Wolfy feels he is regarded as
  264. [9:23:50 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: A wedge between the guild members.
  265. [9:23:57 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: And he didn't want to push through with it after this fallout.
  266. [9:23:59 PM] lewy ~: well maybe wolfy should stop being a martyr and suck it up
  267. [9:24:06 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Lewy. ENOUGH.
  268. [9:24:17 PM] Jose G.: Like I said
  269. [9:24:24 PM] Jose G.: Similar attitude to Liam, lost cause
  270. [9:24:27 PM] lewy ~: acceptable point. i don't play games or favour anyone over anyone. i look at things how they are.
  271. [9:24:44 PM] lewy ~: i'm not fairweather.
  272. [9:25:37 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: https://gyazo.com/66cccf4ef3cd7446b11d8df3b1848554
  273. [9:25:41 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Why he cancelled the event.
  274. [9:26:21 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: The guy did nothing wrong in what he was planning, but feels he is regarded as a blight, and shouldn't remain with us for one person not agreeing with his procedure/plans.
  275. [9:26:35 PM] lewy ~: and that's lame of him to behave like that
  276. [9:26:43 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Of who exactly.
  277. [9:26:45 PM] lewy ~: when he clearly has the support of the overwhelming majority
  278. [9:27:01 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Well clearly not with how people went at eachothers throat when I finally got power back on my phone.
  279. [9:27:17 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: As well as having a member go as far as to leave the guild.
  280. [9:27:22 PM] lewy ~: i saw it as the people vs. liam
  281. [9:27:29 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: Liam acted very immaturely, despite their being calm responses, responses even to diffuse the situation or politely correct him on current lore situations.
  282.  
  283. It's one thing to decide your character will not join an event, it is another to then continue on the subject and insult the event creator.
  284.  
  285. Now I do believe, if we got the basic information (locations and such) beforehand, we could of had better control of the situation that happened last night. It may also help for future events in case anyone has disagreements and act immaturely.
  286.  
  287. Liam's actions has made other members feel uncomfortable, this can tarnish the guild's name for any potential future members.
  288.  
  289. Right now, as I watch you all respond to each other in this chat is beginning to annoy me.
  290. [9:27:36 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: LIAM ACTED OUT OF ORDER. END OF.
  291. [9:27:43 PM] lewy ~: i never said he didn't
  292. [9:27:50 PM] lewy ~: but that's not my concern
  293. [9:28:28 PM] lewy ~: i just want it to be accepted that it was a halfarse planned idea to quickly grab at an event that we honestly don't icly care for
  294. [9:28:50 PM] lewy ~: after for weeks speaking about having our own plans build up
  295. [9:28:53 PM] Hellhound: It wasn't really 'halfarsed planned idea'
  296. [9:28:57 PM] Jose G.: How many times must people explain to you it was an event for anyone to join in at their own leisure
  297. [9:29:02 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Locations were provided, as was time frames, and up towards 20+ hours to get OOC information out of Wolfy, should people want to contact hi mprivately.
  298.  
  299. It was however not a half arsed planned idea, it was something in the Works for a longer period by Wolfy.
  300. [9:29:08 PM] lewy ~: ok fine but seeing as it was the only one on the table
  301. [9:29:12 PM] lewy ~: it seemed more important than it was
  302. [9:29:14 PM] Jose G.: You keep talking about it as if it was our own event thrown together at the last minute for no reason
  303. [9:29:27 PM] lewy ~: well it was hosted by us at the last minute for no reason
  304. [9:29:36 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: It was hosted by Wolfy and Antaeus.
  305. [9:29:41 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: For the Rivorndirs/Suncrowns to partake.
  306. [9:29:50 PM] Jose G.: You can't seem to grasp the fact it was a suncrown event and they were happy to let us join for anyone willing to take part
  307. [9:29:54 PM] lewy ~: well maybe we need clearer divides between the two guilds we have in this one guild
  308. [9:30:01 PM] Jose G.: Oh wow..
  309. [9:30:16 PM] Jose G.: Bea, my apologies if I annoyed you, was not my intention
  310. [9:30:33 PM] lewy ~: i just don't get it. we're all mad because the rivorndirs ain't doing much. and we're applying that mad to irrelevant drama.
  311. [9:30:39 PM] lewy ~: where is the learning and moving on
  312. [9:30:49 PM] lewy ~: where is the "we did this wrong let's do this instead"
  313. [9:31:19 PM] Jose G.: Because there was nothing done wrong other than an immature individual that threw a tantrum at a event creator because he didn't agree with him
  314. [9:31:32 PM] lewy ~: and this jose is why you're not valued as much as bea in this chat
  315. [9:31:45 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: ...
  316. [9:31:49 PM | Edited 9:32:07 PM] Hellhound: Lewy, quit the rude act.
  317. [9:31:55 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: That is out of line.
  318. [9:31:57 PM] Jamie Allen: Ok, that was rather out of line Lewy.
  319. [9:31:59 PM] lewy ~: i want people to say something, not something of nothing
  320. [9:32:08 PM] lewy ~: it's tiring
  321. [9:32:10 PM] Jose G.: Right, that's it for me
  322. [9:32:12 PM] lewy ~: and see,
  323. [9:32:16 PM] lewy ~: the third tantrum of today
  324. [9:32:20 PM] lewy ~: where he gets up and leaves
  325. [9:32:26 PM] Hellhound: Who are you to decide what is "something" and "nothing"
  326. [9:32:26 PM] lewy ~: proclaims he is done
  327. [9:32:26 PM] Jose G.: Either lewy stops being an officer, or I will step down because I can't stand this guy anymore
  328. [9:32:36 PM] lewy ~: i'm up to putting that to a vote
  329. [9:32:44 PM] lewy ~: i don't walk away or cry or leave people in ultimatums
  330. [9:32:53 PM] lewy ~: if you guys want me to leave by jose's ultimatum
  331. [9:32:55 PM] Jose G.: yet all you been doing is crying because liam left
  332. [9:32:55 PM] lewy ~: then you vote for it
  333. [9:32:57 PM] lewy ~: and you let me know
  334. [9:33:04 PM] lewy ~: i'll await your decisions
  335. [9:34:48 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: You may not consider their opinions of value but it is not upto you to make that choice. They are opinions to be considered and respected by everyone. This is becoming incredibly childish.
  336.  
  337. What's worse is you're saying my voice on this matter is above their own which is plain wrong.
  338. [9:34:59 PM] lewy ~: no, i'm saying you make points
  339. [9:35:03 PM] lewy ~: with evidence and explanation
  340. [9:35:10 PM] lewy ~: i don't see everyone doing that
  341. [9:35:11 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: [9:31 PM] lewy ~:
  342.  
  343. <<< and this jose is why you're not valued as much as bea in this chat
  344. [9:35:18 PM] Hellhound: ^
  345. [9:35:19 PM] lewy ~: i'm aware of what i said
  346. [9:35:20 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Read and understand what you said, Lewy.
  347. [9:35:22 PM] lewy ~: i do
  348. [9:35:24 PM] lewy ~: and i stand by it
  349. [9:35:26 PM] Hellhound: Good
  350. [9:35:28 PM] lewy ~: i don't value what jose says
  351. [9:35:29 PM] lewy ~: or what fanfan says
  352. [9:35:32 PM] lewy ~: because they dont say anything
  353. [9:35:38 PM] lewy ~: maybe when they do
  354. [9:35:46 PM] lewy ~: maybe when they put their expressions forward like bea does
  355. [9:35:51 PM] lewy ~: i obviously wil
  356. [9:35:52 PM] lewy ~: l
  357. [9:35:53 PM] Hellhound: And I don't value what you said either, by the same terms Lewy.
  358. [9:35:57 PM] Hellhound: ^^
  359. [9:36:02 PM] lewy ~: have another drink
  360. [9:36:17 PM] Hellhound: Shut up
  361. [9:36:34 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Lewy. Enough is enough with your consistent jabs at every and all of the people here.
  362. [9:36:40 PM] lewy ~: not everyone.
  363. [9:36:50 PM] Jose G.: Just the people disagreeing with you
  364. [9:37:10 PM] lewy ~: bea hasn't agreed completely with me??
  365. [9:37:20 PM] lewy ~: some people here do not understand how this works
  366. [9:39:43 PM] lewy ~: anyway i'm really, really bored of all of this. but i'm not going to cry throw in the towel put you guys in difficult positions and make ultimatums and demands and swear and incite more drama.
  367.  
  368. i put it to you all the rivorndir council to vote for me to no longer be an officer or jose leaves, as called by jose.
  369.  
  370. please call for demotion, as for me to no longer be an officer and jose stay
  371. or please call for remain as for me staying as an officer and jose leaving by his own ultimatum
  372.  
  373. if jose suddenly says he disagrees with what i'm doing here, he hasn't the conviction to stand behind his words.
  374. [9:39:59 PM] lewy ~: cast ur votez now
  375. [9:40:13 PM] Jose G.: Are you for real? You've turned this into a major drama yourself
  376. [9:40:23 PM] lewy ~: this is what you wanted jose, did u wanna vote
  377. [9:40:37 PM] lewy ~: fire with fire rite
  378. [9:40:41 PM] Jose G.: I do, I don't randomly take stabs at other people and try to hurt them for no reason
  379. [9:40:50 PM] Hellhound: ^
  380. [9:40:59 PM] Jose G.: I have not insulted you or anyone else
  381. [9:41:02 PM] lewy ~: remember, DEMOTION for me to not be an officer or REMAIN for jose to leave
  382. [9:41:04 PM] Jose G.: yet you keep taking that path
  383. [9:41:09 PM | Edited 9:41:14 PM] lewy ~: pls vote
  384. [9:41:34 PM] Hellhound: You have insulted me several times this night, Lewy.
  385. [9:41:42 PM] Jose G.: I said I would step down, not leave. Clearly you need to read things better
  386. [9:41:46 PM] lewy ~: did u wanna vote
  387. [9:41:55 PM] lewy ~: is anyone gunna vote
  388. [9:42:30 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: I'm waiting for Bea to write her message and then people to be quiet before I make my next statement.
  389. [9:42:31 PM] lewy ~: jose put an ultimatum to you all did you wanna let him know what you want to do or
  390. [9:42:36 PM] Hellhound: ^
  391. [9:42:45 PM] lewy ~: sorry is jose not an officer do we not have to value everything he says??
  392. [9:42:57 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Oh yes, things will be dealt with.
  393. [9:43:12 PM] lewy ~: so are we gunna vote
  394. [9:43:50 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: Right, I'm coming close to getting extremely angry now. Everyone expresses differently, some more blunt than others, and we may express differently depending on the situation.
  395.  
  396. Lewy, I will do one quote in hopes you realise you are not helping the situation at hand. Instead of rising above it all, you began to incite arguments. I'd of though you would know better.
  397. [9:43:53 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: have another drink
  398. [9:44:02 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: You knew full well that would anger Fan.
  399. [9:44:09 PM] lewy ~: mhm
  400. [9:44:11 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: But you did it nevertheless.
  401. [9:44:16 PM] lewy ~: because i'm doing the same thing everyone else is doing
  402. [9:44:18 PM] lewy ~: fire with fire.
  403. [9:44:24 PM] lewy ~: if fanfan can get away with it scot free, then fine.
  404. [9:44:28 PM] lewy ~: if it works for fanfan, i might as well try it.
  405. [9:44:28 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: Do you see me do it Lewy?
  406. [9:44:35 PM] lewy ~: no because i praise you endlessly
  407. [9:44:46 PM] lewy ~: but i've been up against fanfan so often now because she's frankly really
  408. [9:44:53 PM] lewy ~: not all that gr8
  409. [9:44:54 PM] lewy ~: for much
  410. [9:44:55 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Alright. I am putting the foot down now and going to bring up an original ordeal we have had as well, as well as alter the vote.
  411. [9:44:56 PM] lewy ~: @ all
  412. [9:45:09 PM] lewy ~: honestly, if you guys want me to leave, then tell me to
  413. [9:45:34 PM] lewy ~: but i'd never ever ever ever ever ever ever start throwing my toys out of the pram and /gquit and leave the call and leave the chat and this that and the other like so many of you others do
  414. [9:45:42 PM] lewy ~: because i am not full of shit
  415. [9:47:32 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: So, like Liam just did? Is he 'full of shit' too?
  416.  
  417. Lewy. You have once more, for an extended period of time failed to comply with the original warning that was given to you a longer period of time to.
  418.  
  419. The vote will now be changed to either removal from the guild entirely, given your consistent attacks on people personally, and therefore the vote will be as following.
  420.  
  421. Removal or demotion.
  422.  
  423. It has gone on for too long, and even as you brush it off as 'just your behaviour' and fun and giggles and whatever, enough is enough. You have been here long enough to know how to act, and how not to act.
  424. [9:47:36 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: My vote is cast for removal.
  425. [9:47:55 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: a longer period of time ago*.
  426. [9:48:10 PM] lewy ~: i'm happy to just take olivers removal vote as final bc hes the guildmaster and all if you guys don't have the balls to speak up
  427. [9:48:24 PM] lewy ~: bea not included
  428. [9:48:25 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Enough, Lewy.
  429. [9:48:30 PM] Jamie Allen: My vote is Removal.
  430. [9:48:30 PM] lewy ~: bea is consistently chill and level headed and intelligent
  431. [9:48:47 PM] lewy ~: (not pryin 4 votez in my favour lool)
  432. [9:48:50 PM] Béatrice 'Panda' Nassi: Removal.
  433. [9:49:07 PM] Hellhound: You clearly stated that me and Jose's voice wasn't valid enough Lewy :P
  434. [9:49:13 PM] Jose G.: I initially didn't mind his crap about liam but when he started to purposely target fan and taunt her and then moving on to me with indirect and direct stabs at both of us quite uncalled for too, I decided to removal
  435. [9:49:19 PM] lewy ~: you can have your moment now fanfan if you'd like
  436. [9:49:25 PM] lewy ~: be my final nail
  437. [9:49:29 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: The vote has finished.
  438. [9:49:34 PM] Hellhound: ^
  439. [9:49:43 PM] Oliver L.P. Sørensen: Goodbye Lewy, it has been nice to have you around while you knew how to behave.
  440. [9:49:45 PM] lewy ~: gl guyz
  441. [9:49:53 PM] *** Oliver L.P. Sørensen removed lewy ~ from this conversation. ***
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