Cathy Pham

Hi!
Cathy Pham named the conversation: Ringer Accusation .
Jack Kelly

Hello
Cathy Pham

This was Jack Kelly's response to your accusation, Jack Fang
Cathy Pham

I was down at my prom house which is essentially in my town after the week of prom a bunch of guys and I went down to the beach for the entire week. We were all on the beach but I had to go back up to our house that we rented out for the week to go to my laptop to play our matches.
Are you denying that you had Nove playing on your account?
Jack Kelly

Yes, I am the only person who has my account credentials.
Are you saying that Nove
made it all up?
That a person I had never talked to before randomly singled me out
In a random game of solo queue
And told me extreme details
About an HSL game that he claimed to have smurfed in?
Jack Kelly

Nove was really mad at our mid laner. We suspect that Nove watched our game and found you in soloqueue on purpose in order to get back at him. We are still trying to get in contact with him. I can guarantee that I played that game.
And the fact that you almost never play nidalee in ranked or normals
And nove mains pretty much only nidalee
and slasherr's account played nidalee both times
i find it har dto believe that it was you playing on that account
just based on all that evidence
he said he was 'mad' at your mid laner
yet i could never get him to fully confirm
that he was smurfing for you
i oculd never get him to say it
despite me asking to
if he was mad at you would he not just be forthright?
and claim that he was smurfing
A lot of things are not adding up here
So forgive me when I say that I think that you're not telling the truth
Also you say that he 'found me in solo queue on purpose'
That's impossible
He wasn't on my friends list
He wouldnt know when i was queueing up
He was on the enemy team, so it was randomly selected
Cathy Pham

^ that's true
Jack Kelly

I played Nidalee in the tournament more than once, and none of us played our normal champions in that match in order to evade target bans. In regards to him being mad you can see him trail off after he realizes what he's doing, and that it might be destructive. We are trying to get in contact with Nove, and will try to get him to admit that he was lying. Otherwise, please trust my word that I played both of those games.
I do not trust your words
I think there is plenty evidence here
That you were not playing on your account
Nove is your friend, if he changes his statement completely
It would not come as a surprise
It would be a biased statement after you told him to change what he said
Jack Kelly

I can guarantee you that I was playing those games. All of my teammates will vouch that I played, and I can get people from the beach house to confirm that I was playing.
Of course you can, htey're your friends
Jack Kelly

He isn't me and was not playing on my account so therefore you have no evidence.
You still haven't explained why he would approach me?
Or why he would randomly say this
Jack Kelly

We think it is because he was mad at one of our teammates, but we dont know because we cant know
You say he was 'realizing how destructive he was'
And that he did this because he was 'mad'
He praises your guys play
Multiple times
If anything, he flames your support
Not your mid laner
If he was 'realizing his destructiveness'
Why would he say 'u have enough evidence to file your thing already'
Cathy Pham

Jack Fang, you said that this player didn't add you, correct?
Like, if he realized that this was a mistake and that he shouldn't be making these false accuzations
Why would he add that last line?
Cathy Pham

And that you didn't have him added prior to your game
I added him after the game because
I wanted to talk to him
I didn't get enough evidence from all chat in game
Jack Kelly

Nate is one of our friends
Cathy Pham

It's impossible for someone to queue snipe, and even more so if the player was not on your buddy list and had no way of knowing when you'd play a game
Jack Kelly

he realized what he was saying after he said it
Jack Kelly

they are both master tier/ diamond 1 and they can find each other in solo que very easily
No I cannot
You're thinking of challenger elo
D1/master elo has a lot of players
Very hard to queue snipe him
And not to mention that you can only queue snipe
If he's on your friends list
Jack Kelly

It is possible and clearly did happen
Which he wasn't, untnil after the game
He flat out admits that he was smurfing in the chatlog of the game
but i messed the screenshot up
If you could ask riot support for a chatlog of the game
He admits a lot more things
Of course, Jack Kelly is going to accuse it of all being untrue because he was mad at Merski
Cathy Pham

I feel that him finding you in solo queue was pure coincidence. That being said, I've gone through the screenshots, and it does seem highly plausible that he could have played on your account, Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

Your evidence isnt from anyone on our team, just a friend who was momentarily mad at us
Why was he mad at you?
Jack Kelly

He did not play on my account
Jack Kelly

he does not have my credentials
If he was so mad at you why did he not just admit it outright?
Jack Kelly

He was mad at Merski because he trolled a solo que game with him
Like, what's the point of discussing where you live
The previous game
The comps you picked
There is no point
See now you're just lying
They haven't played a game toghether
In 2 months
And counting
Why would he be this angry over something 2 months ago?
Why would he not troll another HSL game?
Because rounds were still going on from the previous playoffs last split
Jack Kelly

I dont see any solid evidence proving that Nove was playing on my account, this is purely a matter of my word vs his
At that time
...
It's a matter of doubt
As I said, there exists no solo queue game that they played toghether
For 2 months+
Cathy Pham

Just to clarify, you guys played out your match already, correct?
Yes
so A) Why would he still be mad after 2 months?
Jack Kelly

People in my house can confirm that i was playing those games
B) Why would he not troll a previous HSL game?
Because there were rounds going on before then
Jack Kelly

We don't know why he did it, but he did. That is the matter at hand.
Just like I can get my friends to confirm that I'm secretly faker smurfing in NA
By that logic I could literally hire TSM to play for me
Outright admit
In all chat
and on our accounts
and on the TSM accounts
that they were smurfing in HSL
Literally tell on every single outlet of social media
And nothing owuld happen
Jack Kelly

We have alibis that can prove that I played those games. There is no argument
ANd that they can't prove
Your alibis are biased
This is so ludicrous
I leave the decision up to you Cathy
There is overwhelming evidence here
Jack Kelly

Your only argument is from someone who is apparently angry at us. I have people who can confirm that I was at The beach house playing those games.
I have debunked multiple times why it would be unreasonable that
he is angry at you
Jack Kelly

But I agree, it is up to cathy to decide
a) his conversation and diction and what he said in my chats with him
do not indicate that he is angry in the slightest
b) the reason you provide is totally made up
He is angry at you over a solo queue game that doesn't exist?
I checked both of their match histories
There is no solo queue game between them
For 2+ months worth of history
And once again, if he was the type of persont o hold a grudge
for over 2 months
then why did he decide to wait for 2 months
instead of taking it out on the HSL games
going on then?
If I recall, we played you guys then too
In the spring split of HSL
Why did he not accuse you of cheating then?
Just doesn't add up.
If you're familiar with the concept of reasonable doubt
which is the standard of evidence that they use in court
I think I have proved beyond reasonable doubt
Jack Kelly

Listen, this is all that I have to say about this. The only "evidence" that you have is Nove being mad at Merski for whatever reason, we don't even know as we haven't talked to him in forever. We THINK its because of that game but we are not sure. I have people who can confirm that i played those games, who are not 'bias' as you say, simply because they know me. Lastly, the decision should be clear and this discussion should be over. Thank you. I leave it to you, Cathy.
that nove was plying on your account
'Haven't talked to him in forever'
Why would he be mad at you?
Jack Kelly

I dont want to respond to this slander any longer, as you have already harassed one of my teammates. Thank you.
Cathy Pham

I will share this conversation with my co-admin, Alex Hsu, and we will thoroughly analyze everything said in this chat, along with the screenshots that Jack Fang sent me the provide evidence for his accusations