Virizion Viability Convo

Audiosurfer	while your name is still fresh in my mind, figure i'd say that i definitely disagree w/ you about virizion
16:27	Audiosurfer	i cant think of many times where virizion will be performing better in a role than breloom
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16:28	Nollan	Yeah, my view is more or less that Breloom is better, but Virizion is a viable alternative.
16:28	Audiosurfer	have you use virizion alot?
16:29	Audiosurfer	my thing is that virizion is viable in a technical sense
16:29	Nollan	Not very much, but some.
16:29	Audiosurfer	but breloom performs better so much more often that there's no reson for virizion to be b rank
16:30	Nollan	Yeah, true. Still, I do think that some of its support options can give it a niche
16:30	Audiosurfer	also virizion just isnt as good at killing things outside of very specific threats (rotom w/ a gem or something)
16:30	Nollan	Yeah
16:30	Audiosurfer	ehh
16:30	Audiosurfer	screen support isnt too good in general, hh and taunt are nice, but spore is definitely better than both too
16:31	Nollan	Yeah, Taunt  and Sunny Day were the ones that caught my eye.
16:31	Audiosurfer	spore also lets it shut down tr setters even better than taunt since it plays around potential mental herbs
16:32	Nollan	Yeah, at the same time, Taunt can be used on two pokes simultaneously, which can be useful.
16:32	Pwnemon	17:28 Audiosurfer: have you use virizion alot?
16:32	Pwnemon	the regal virizion alot
16:32	Nollan	xD lol
16:32	Audiosurfer	yep lol
16:32	Pwnemon	http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
16:32	Audiosurfer	on the sand team im usin i had virizion > breloom and after some battles the only reason i could find for still using virizion is that it looks so fancy
16:33	Nollan	Very true. :>
16:34	Pwnemon	lol
16:34	Audiosurfer	but yeah. i could see how you're right in theory, but when you think about it breloom is actually has better matchups against most things, especially w/ deadly mach punch killin things like excadrill and kyurem that would maul virizion before it could do anything
16:34	Nollan	I like it because it can outspeed things Breloom can't, such as Scarf Tyranitar, Hydreigon (might still get OHKOd by Mach Punch though), etc
16:34	Audiosurfer	but scarftar gets mauled by mach punch
16:35	Audiosurfer	and like i said virizion doesnt get an ohko on hydrei
16:35	Nollan	Yeah ik, I'm too dumb to think of some better ones
16:35	Nollan	xD
16:35	Nollan	The Virizion I used ran Fighting Gem tho, so I never really knew about the CC failing to OHKO :x
16:35	Audiosurfer	mostly cuz there aren't any, which is why virizion is definitely a c rank mon, and everyone should default to our lord and saviour breloom
16:36	Audiosurfer	grass gem is better imo since you check rain alot easier
16:36	Nollan	lol
16:36	Audiosurfer	had a specific ev spread to check things more optimally but i cant remember what it was, think it was like around 180 atk and jolly w/ grass gem and rest in bulk
16:37	Audiosurfer	anyways why am i typin this all here and not the v ranking thread?
16:37	Nollan	I was gonna say something about Helping Hand support, but Breloom has that move too, so nvm
16:37	Pwnemon	lol
16:37	Pwnemon	habeeeeeeeeebz
16:38	Nollan	I think the main thing for Virizion is that it has better bulk, so it can take hits better, but that is about it
16:39	Audiosurfer	but cc ruins that too
16:39	Audiosurfer	the moment you use it you're light as a feather
16:39	Audiosurfer	pwne can vouch for me
16:39	Audiosurfer	he ohko'd my -1 virizion w/ ttar low kick
16:39	Nollan	Fair point :<
16:40	Nollan	I should try X-scissor Virizion sometime, just for the sake of catching someone's Cresselia by surprise
16:41	Nollan	(or I could just run Breloom to Spore Cresselia)
16:41	Audiosurfer	unless you face chestorest i guess
16:41	Nollan	yeah
16:45	Nollan	I feel really bad right now because my team runs Latios over Hydreigon, but I already have 2 Dark types, and don't need another.