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Topic set by Nexus on Fri Jun 27 02:31:37 UTC+0100 2014

DHR
Hello again


 11:17

Esmeya
Hello robot man


 11:17

DHR
ty


 11:17

Esmeya
o.o


 11:17

DHR
Very strange question that someone MAY know


 11:18

Eiganjo
42


 11:18

Esmeya
64


 11:18

DHR
idk how far long the hacking/hijacking of info is on XY


 11:18

Esmeya
oh boy


 11:18

DHR
But has anyone got any of the proper models out of the cart yet? Like poly numbers/textures etc?


 11:18

Esmeya
yes


 11:19

DHR
Would you have a link to such information?


 11:19

Esmeya
..we didn't list them


 11:19

Esmeya
I just know it's possible lol


 11:19

Esmeya
but it's possible ---->


 11:19

DHR
Ah okay


 11:20

Esmeya



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Esmeya



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Esmeya



 11:20

DHR
Okay


 11:20

DHR
tyvm for those


 11:20

DHR
But I was looking more into the physical properties of the model


 11:20

Esmeya
That's the only examples I have uploaded


 11:21

Esmeya
oh I know


 11:21

Esmeya
I was just saying it's possible to count


 11:21

Esmeya
just..


 11:21

Lynker
FUCK YOUUUUUUU RIDDLEEEEEEER


 11:21

Esmeya
effort to count all 721~


 11:21

Esmeya
lol


 11:21

Esmeya
you would have to ask Slashmolder or Kaphotics


 11:21

DHR
Would it be possible to count a handfull?


 11:21

Esmeya
and even that would take a long time


 11:21

Esmeya
yeah


 11:21

DHR
Yeah


 11:21

Esmeya
do you have a list


 11:21

Esmeya
?


 11:21

Esmeya
I can do it for you essentially


 11:21

DHR
Well, It's for a general idea of Polys for CaP


 11:22

Esmeya
oh


 11:22

DHR
The project is trying to get information on what sort of model sizes the games use


 11:22

Esmeya
I can give you a range?


 11:22

DHR
That would be perfect


 11:22

Esmeya
like really small stuff for chimecho


 11:22

Esmeya
to really big stuff like Wailord


 11:22

Esmeya
or something


 11:22

DHR
Yeah


 11:22

Esmeya
would that help?


 11:22

DHR
Yes


 11:22

Esmeya
Okay


 11:22

DHR
 are you onj the forums as Esmeya ?


 11:23

Esmeya
Uh, I can be yeah


 11:23

DHR
Well, I'd just mention you in that I am asking for some help on getting that ingo


 11:23

DHR
*info


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 11:23

Esmeya
Oh, that's fine


 11:23

DHR
Can Octillery be included in there somewhere?


 11:23

Esmeya
All the models originally come from Kaphotics ripping them though


 11:23

Esmeya
so he's the main credit


 11:23

DHR
Trying to think of the more complex Pokemon


 11:24

Esmeya
Magneton?


 11:24

DHR
Yeah, If I had the software to download/load the models I'd do it


 11:24

DHR
Unless blender can open the model files?


 11:24

Esmeya
oh


 11:24

Esmeya
KlingKlang too


 11:24

Esmeya
Yes Blender does


 11:24

Esmeya
I used Blender to open them


 11:24

Esmeya
I use Maya to rig them


 11:25

DHR
Ah yeah I don't have access to Maya


 11:25

Esmeya
well


 11:25

Esmeya
rigging doesn't have anything to do with poly count


 11:25

DHR
I suppose not


 11:25

Esmeya
that's just me being bemused by rigging them up again


 11:25

DHR



 11:25

Esmeya
amused*


 11:25

Esmeya
not bemused >_>


 11:25

DHR
And animating them I assume?


 11:26

Esmeya
Yeah that's what rigging them is for, giving them bones to move


 11:26

DHR
yeah


 11:26

Esmeya
I can give you some models


 11:26

DHR
I'll tell you what, is about 15 pokemon or so OK?


 11:26

Esmeya
Sure


 11:26

Esmeya
I'd have to ask, but I doubt he'd mind


 11:27

DHR
I'll have a quick look through the dex and see what sort of things would be closest to what we might want to do


 11:27

Esmeya
if you want complex KlingKlang rotations are pretty heavy


 11:27

DHR
I am not 100% sure on the animation side of things yet


 11:27

Esmeya
Klink*


 11:27

Esmeya
oh


 11:28

Esmeya
As far as detail/count the Regi's are heavy


 11:28

Esmeya
and Ho-oh


 11:28

DHR
Just getting the poly counts would be good enough for now


 11:28

DHR
Showdown implements them as gifs anyway


 11:29

Esmeya
yeah


 11:29

Esmeya
I'll see what I can do


 11:30

Esmeya
Though if it helps


 11:30

Esmeya
a lot of them are very hollow


 11:30

DHR
.... I thought all models were hollow :|


 11:31

Esmeya
nope!


 11:31

Esmeya
some have thinner walls than others


 11:31

DHR
oh for translucency and things?


 11:31

Esmeya
like dumbass Greninja


 11:31

Esmeya
he has twice that of some others bigger than his model


 11:31

Esmeya
>_>


 11:32

Esmeya
and yeah the models are packed with everything they use for in-game animation


 11:32

DHR
Depends, his model might be the Sm4sh model with lower LOD


 11:32

Esmeya
like Victini uses V-Create and the ears get bigger


 11:32

Esmeya
I'd have to strip them down to normal size


 11:32

Esmeya
etc


 11:32

Lynker
New mouse friend!


 11:32

Esmeya
it's not that big of a deal


 11:32

Lynker
Don't worry, Batman is here to save you!


 11:32

Esmeya
when do you need this by DHR?


 11:33

Lynker
With his trust Batara-


 11:33

Lynker
oh


 11:33

Lynker
oh god


 11:33

DHR
On the models you have at the moment, whats the sort of rough number


 11:33

Lynker
T_T


 11:33

Esmeya
oh


 11:33

Esmeya
let me check

 11:38

Esmeya
DHR - Skitty 5062, Hoopa: 6058, Metagross: 5930, Blissey: 5768, Wailord: 7040, Volcanion: 7095


 11:38

DHR
whoa


 11:38

DHR
holy crap


 11:38

Esmeya
Seems smaller scale is 4900-5100, medium is 5200-6100 and large is breaking 6900-7250


 11:38

DHR
thats so many more than I was expecting


11:39

Esmeya
Actually I should check Origin Forme Giratina..


 11:39

Esmeya
actually wait


 11:39

Esmeya
Volcanion is more than that


 11:40

Esmeya
Polycount: 11468


 11:40

DHR
O_O


 11:40

Esmeya
with 7095 vectors


 11:40

DHR
So anywhere between 5k and 12k polys?


 11:40

Esmeya
yeah give or take


11:40

Esmeya
makes sense for Volcanion though


 11:41

DHR
Yeah he opens up and all sorts doesnt he


 11:41

Esmeya
the hoops are individually made and in-game they come apart


 11:41

Esmeya
yeah


 11:41

Esmeya
they're two different hoses


 11:41

Esmeya
and the jewels on them move


 11:41

Esmeya
also his tail moves separately too


 11:41

Esmeya
he has a butt kind of like Zekrom


 11:41

DHR
Cause what CaP may do is just have a static "model" for a time before we get around to proper rigging/animating


 11:42

DHR
Cause we still currently work with Sprites


11:42

Esmeya
Yeah I visit CaP from time to time :c


 11:42

Esmeya
I just lurk though since I have nothing to contribute


 11:42

DHR
Well if you are a modeller/animator you might have something to contribute to now.


 11:43

DHR
I'm going to put all this chat in a post, but please PM paintseagull if you want to get involved


 11:43

DHR
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3d-modeling-for-cap.3509493/ this is where its being discussed atm, you wont be able to post


 11:43

DHR
But paint/I can


 11:44

Esmeya
I'm far too busy in real life at the moment


 11:44

Esmeya
Sorry


 11:44

DHR
Nah thats ok


 11:44

DHR
Thanks for the info you've given me just now ^__^


 11:44

Esmeya
I can package and pass some models to you for you to play with?


 11:44

DHR
It means a lot


 11:45

DHR
Erm, sure... Would you be able to PM a link or something on the forums? Would it be OK to share them with other users?


 11:45

Esmeya
Thanks for the link though. I have something else to lurk over





 11:45

Esmeya
Uh, Kaphotics wouldn't care as long as you credit him since he took the time to extract them


 11:46

Esmeya
but I'll PM you on forums or here


 11:46

Esmeya
whichever you prefer


 11:46

DHR
Well chances are all theyll be doing is checking out the models/breaking them etc


 11:46

DHR
lol


 11:46

Esmeya
I really wish I had time to contribute, but that's basically my job


 11:46

Esmeya
and yeah that's what I do anyway!


 11:47

Esmeya
That's the fun part


 11:47

Esmeya
give metagross legs for ears


 11:47

DHR
Has Kaphotics only taken a few out? or has he extracted all of them?


 11:47

Esmeya
and give it metangs nose


 11:47

Esmeya
\o\


 11:47

Esmeya
He can do all, but like I said that'd take a really long time


 11:47

DHR
Thats cool


 11:48

DHR
Better than nothing and it gives CaP a ball park figure to work with


 11:48

Esmeya
I can ask for you though


 11:48

Esmeya
the best I'll probably get is a couple more for you to work with


 11:48

DHR
The ones you've got atm are a good spread of polys


 11:48

Esmeya
I just personally requested a lot to mess with and reanimate while viewing it on 3DS


 11:48

Esmeya
or gifs


 11:48

Esmeya
ok


 11:48

DHR
I cant imagine anything being much more complex than Volcanion


 11:48

Esmeya
Give me a couple minutes


 11:49

Esmeya
yeah


 11:49

Esmeya
maybe Ho-oh could come close but even then that's face value


 11:49

Esmeya
nothing 'inside' the model


 11:49

DHR
Lots of little winglets


 11:49

DHR
and the tail


 11:49

DHR
oh lord the tail


11:50

Esmeya
Maybe I'll ask for Ho-oh


 11:50

Esmeya
and Origin Forme Giratina


 11:50

Esmeya
I feel like they'd have complexity too :c


 11:50

Esmeya
more*


 11:50

DHR
Octillery would be nice to have because of both Argonaut and now Volkraken


 11:51

DHR
How many models do you have access to atm then?


 11:51

Esmeya
uh


 11:51

Esmeya
10?


 11:51

Esmeya
probably more somewhere


 11:51

DHR



 11:51

DHR
Let me know if you ever look at the polys for the other


 11:52

DHR
but thankyou so much for this information ^__^