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  1. [6/8/14, 2:10:12 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): hi Ahmad :)
  2. [6/8/14, 2:10:16 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): ok, think this:
  3. [6/8/14, 2:10:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): how hard do you think it is to spoof an sms?
  4. [6/8/14, 2:10:29 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the origin number I mean
  5. [6/8/14, 2:10:38 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just sit and watch what will happen after a while
  6. [6/8/14, 2:10:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): do you remember the fiasco with voicemail messages being heard by other people?
  7. [6/8/14, 2:11:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just because it was very easy to change their callerID?
  8. [6/8/14, 2:11:08 PM] gudcrypt: Good point costas
  9. [6/8/14, 2:11:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): imagine that for a second
  10. [6/8/14, 2:11:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): ok
  11. [6/8/14, 2:11:16 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): email? that's even worse
  12. [6/8/14, 2:11:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): let me give you an example
  13. [6/8/14, 2:11:43 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): wouldn't it be very cool if we didn't need to drive our cars?
  14. [6/8/14, 2:11:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): have computers do that for us?
  15. [6/8/14, 2:11:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the technology for that already exists
  16. [6/8/14, 2:12:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, computers can't make all the calculations needed for that
  17. [6/8/14, 2:12:11 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, no such product is "yet" created
  18. [6/8/14, 2:12:17 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): what I mean is:
  19. [6/8/14, 2:12:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): don't remove security
  20. [6/8/14, 2:12:28 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for simplicity sake
  21. [6/8/14, 2:12:28 PM] Bradley: Yeah... It could be done on a higher level.
  22. [6/8/14, 2:12:37 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it will be a mistake that we will all utterly regret
  23. [6/8/14, 2:13:12 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what can we do to make the address seem easier, at the same time not compromising security ?
  24. [6/8/14, 2:13:30 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): there are things to do
  25. [6/8/14, 2:13:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, it would make anonymity blow away :)
  26. [6/8/14, 2:13:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example: we can create a DNS-like system
  27. [6/8/14, 2:13:50 PM] Bradley: ^^^
  28. [6/8/14, 2:13:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, would you announce your name and your address?
  29. [6/8/14, 2:13:57 PM] Bradley: anon would be gone.
  30. [6/8/14, 2:15:25 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so where are we heading on the next big thing for CRY ? another anon or do you guys have something on the works ?
  31. [6/8/14, 2:15:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): a safe anon is the plan for now
  32. [6/8/14, 2:15:46 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): good points above btw
  33. [6/8/14, 2:16:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, we will do it, the recommended way
  34. [6/8/14, 2:16:10 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): i mean we can implement for example anon as stage #1, but stage #2 we can do something mind blowing
  35.  
  36. [6/8/14, 2:16:47 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, I always said this to all the coins that I "consult" in the tech aspect
  37. [6/8/14, 2:17:08 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you want extra functionality, put it in 3rd party programs
  38. [6/8/14, 2:17:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if we want "mind-blowing" then we should focus on a very good and detailed API
  39. [6/8/14, 2:18:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): give the API power that no other coin has
  40. [6/8/14, 2:18:03 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what are your thinking on next for CRY ?
  41. [6/8/14, 2:18:12 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): which will allow us to create a bunch of applications for it
  42. [6/8/14, 2:18:18 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and tie it with other things, but safely
  43. [6/8/14, 2:18:27 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): for example an accounting system, can be tied to it
  44. [6/8/14, 2:18:39 PM] Moosa: an integrated accounting system for CRY would be very popular for merchants.
  45. [6/8/14, 2:18:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes, that could be one
  46. [6/8/14, 2:18:47 PM] Moosa: thats good idea costas
  47. [6/8/14, 2:19:00 PM] Moosa: On 6/8/14, at 2:17 PM, Costas (aka mindfox) wrote:
  48. > if we want "mind-blowing" then we should focus on a very good and detailed API
  49. > give the API power that no other coin has
  50. [6/8/14, 2:19:04 PM] Moosa: this i like
  51. [6/8/14, 2:19:06 PM] Bradley: Yeah, giving dev's an easy integration point... Would be self advertising.
  52. [6/8/14, 2:19:10 PM] Moosa: aye
  53. [6/8/14, 2:19:14 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): exactly :)
  54. [6/8/14, 2:19:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): make others invest in your coin with more than just btc
  55. [6/8/14, 2:19:32 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what uses for this API ?
  56. [6/8/14, 2:19:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if others are interested and create applications for your coin
  57. [6/8/14, 2:19:36 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): your coin gets value
  58. [6/8/14, 2:19:44 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): lets see some ideas so we can think of putting those in a video
  59. [6/8/14, 2:19:51 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): like examples, for real world people
  60. [6/8/14, 2:19:52 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, the command-line clients are using the API
  61. [6/8/14, 2:19:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): exchanges
  62. [6/8/14, 2:19:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): pools
  63. [6/8/14, 2:20:04 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but for basic operations
  64. [6/8/14, 2:20:12 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example: coin control is not in the api
  65. [6/8/14, 2:20:20 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for another coin, I inserted the ability to not stake
  66. [6/8/14, 2:20:29 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so it won't create problems with resources
  67. [6/8/14, 2:20:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and poloniex loved it
  68. [6/8/14, 2:20:37 PM] Moosa: nicee
  69. [6/8/14, 2:20:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): imagine if you can have coin control used from the command-line client
  70. [6/8/14, 2:20:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): be able to distinguish every single transaction, the easy way
  71. [6/8/14, 2:20:58 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so like buying and selling ?
  72. [6/8/14, 2:21:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or export data
  73. [6/8/14, 2:21:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, no. Buying and selling is happening in a virtual environment within the limits of each exchange's DB
  74. [6/8/14, 2:21:51 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): coins are transferred only with deposits and withdrawals
  75. [6/8/14, 2:22:00 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): all exchange actions are just records in a database
  76. [6/8/14, 2:22:09 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, as you said
  77. [6/8/14, 2:22:19 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you can't integrate an ERP system with the wallet
  78. [6/8/14, 2:22:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): not without creating complex external applications
  79. [6/8/14, 2:22:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): what if you could do it a bit more easy?
  80. [6/8/14, 2:22:50 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): also, what if it allowed you to create addresses that are categorized?
  81. [6/8/14, 2:22:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example, to make merchant's life easier?
  82. [6/8/14, 2:23:11 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): people need some organization and categories ..etc
  83. [6/8/14, 2:23:25 PM] Moosa: crypt will have merchant incentive if we do that
  84. [6/8/14, 2:23:27 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): imagine the following scenario
  85. [6/8/14, 2:23:36 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we create a bit more detailed api, with a lot of power in it
  86. [6/8/14, 2:23:43 PM] Moosa: anon + fast and easy power api
  87. [6/8/14, 2:23:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and then, we release an excel add-on that can communicate with the wallet
  88. [6/8/14, 2:23:52 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just this simple move
  89. [6/8/14, 2:24:00 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so first coin with API ?
  90. [6/8/14, 2:24:05 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): there is API
  91. [6/8/14, 2:24:13 PM] Moosa: but its weak
  92. [6/8/14, 2:24:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but with basic functionality
  93. [6/8/14, 2:24:17 PM] Moosa: ^^
  94. [6/8/14, 2:24:17 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes, exactly
  95. [6/8/14, 2:24:31 PM] Moosa: Integrate the first full fledged powerhouse api
  96. [6/8/14, 2:24:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example, when you do a payment through the api
  97. [6/8/14, 2:24:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you have no control
  98. [6/8/14, 2:24:47 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): is there like a google spreadsheets API that would integrate with it ?
  99. [6/8/14, 2:24:53 PM] Moosa: now thats something no other coin has
  100. [6/8/14, 2:24:55 PM] Moosa: :D
  101. [6/8/14, 2:25:06 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, I wouldn't go for google spreadsheets
  102. [6/8/14, 2:25:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): unless you want google to be able to control your wallet :D
  103. [6/8/14, 2:25:19 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but it could be done, yes
  104. [6/8/14, 2:25:30 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): but another dev can do it right ? if its all API
  105. [6/8/14, 2:25:35 PM] Moosa: yea
  106. [6/8/14, 2:25:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, anything can be done by anyone
  107. [6/8/14, 2:25:53 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): even if he's not skilled enough, eventually he would be able to do it
  108. [6/8/14, 2:25:55 PM] Moosa: it will easy for them, actually it will incentive it
  109. [6/8/14, 2:25:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it's the idea that matters most
  110. [6/8/14, 2:26:02 PM] Moosa: if its powerful + easy
  111. [6/8/14, 2:26:05 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and how good you "protect" it from flaws
  112. [6/8/14, 2:26:11 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): yea but we market the API thing, and make useable apps to start with, then the other cool devs would do the rest
  113. [6/8/14, 2:26:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, that's how open source projects works I'm afraid :)
  114. [6/8/14, 2:26:32 PM] Moosa: i could make concept wallet in photoshop maybe
  115. [6/8/14, 2:26:36 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so API --> we make some samples --> a great video do demonstrate all that --> bingo we get all devs onboard
  116. [6/8/14, 2:26:42 PM] Moosa: nice
  117. [6/8/14, 2:26:45 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you can't really keep a secret, especially in crypto world
  118. [6/8/14, 2:26:45 PM] Moosa: ya ahmad
  119. [6/8/14, 2:27:41 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): lets work on those mini API samples, so the documentation can be complete, with usable real-world scenarios we can attract more devs
  120. [6/8/14, 2:28:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you reveal it before it's finished, you risk of someone else stealing your idea
  121. [6/8/14, 2:28:30 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and you can't prove anything :)
  122. [6/8/14, 2:28:46 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): nothing to be revealed, it stays here between us till we release , how's that ?
  123. [6/8/14, 2:28:48 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): :)
  124. [6/8/14, 2:29:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): let's prioritize things Ahmad though
  125. [6/8/14, 2:29:11 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I mean, I can't working in 2 different projects of that magnitude
  126. [6/8/14, 2:29:28 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, I could, but the results would take longer and we risk of perhaps losing focus?
  127. [6/8/14, 2:29:45 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): sorry if I sound too careful, but I saw it happening many times with my company
  128. [6/8/14, 2:30:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): when they tried to put in R&D (my dept) a lot more projects than it could handle
  129. [6/8/14, 2:30:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): according to QA always, right? :)
  130. [6/8/14, 2:30:43 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): yea i got what u mean
  131. [6/8/14, 2:30:52 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so whats your suggested next steps ?
  132. [6/8/14, 2:34:09 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I'm trying to think :)
  133. [6/8/14, 2:35:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I'll be honest here
  134. [6/8/14, 2:35:06 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): ok,,
  135. [6/8/14, 2:35:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): my strong point is coding and community support
  136. [6/8/14, 2:35:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): community means mostly long term projects
  137. [6/8/14, 2:35:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, I don't know what I can do to create the so called "hype"
  138. [6/8/14, 2:35:53 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): all I can do, is lay down ideas
  139. [6/8/14, 2:36:22 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so for example API integration, can u do that ?
  140. [6/8/14, 2:36:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes, I can do it. otherwise I wouldn't propose it
  141. [6/8/14, 2:37:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I am not the one who is suggesting what others could do
  142. [6/8/14, 2:37:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): only if I'm asked to :)
  143. [6/8/14, 2:37:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but usually, when I have ideas, I also have some concept that goes with them
  144. [6/8/14, 2:37:21 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): cool
  145. [6/8/14, 2:37:47 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, I would need a plain user's perspective
  146. [6/8/14, 2:38:02 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): lets think of scenarios for real world API usage
  147. [6/8/14, 2:38:08 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): and make some examples
  148. [6/8/14, 2:38:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example: what is it that a plain user would love to see, regarding simplicity, usability and information gathering?
  149. [6/8/14, 2:38:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): something easy that we can do
  150. [6/8/14, 2:38:21 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): like lay down the basics
  151. [6/8/14, 2:38:21 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, you got me on that :)
  152. [6/8/14, 2:38:28 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): hehe
  153. [6/8/14, 2:38:34 PM] Moosa: integration into social media FB twitter ect..
  154. [6/8/14, 2:40:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I think it uses a central processing server for sms
  155. [6/8/14, 2:41:56 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): i gotta think of some stuff and see if i can post some shortly
  156. [6/8/14, 2:41:59 PM] Moosa: LOL
  157. [6/8/14, 2:41:59 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): brb
  158. [6/8/14, 2:42:04 PM] Moosa: k ahmad
  159. [6/8/14, 2:42:33 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what can the API provide exactly ? like raw info of what ?
  160. [6/8/14, 2:42:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you send a command and you get a result
  161. [6/8/14, 2:42:59 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for now, you can check transactions (by id), wallet addresses
  162. [6/8/14, 2:43:04 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): total amounts
  163. [6/8/14, 2:43:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): send payments
  164. [6/8/14, 2:43:23 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): send and receive payments possible right ?
  165. [6/8/14, 2:43:27 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes of course
  166. [6/8/14, 2:43:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, not receive
  167. [6/8/14, 2:43:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): send
  168. [6/8/14, 2:43:43 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you can't control the receival of a payment :)
  169. [6/8/14, 2:43:45 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so for example, can a firefox or chrome add-on be made to send payments easily ?
  170. [6/8/14, 2:43:53 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): why not recieve ?
  171. [6/8/14, 2:44:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you ask to receive a payment, who would grant your wish? :D
  172. [6/8/14, 2:44:42 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): but if someone sends the other guys recieves ? no ? :)_
  173. [6/8/14, 2:44:43 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): :)
  174. [6/8/14, 2:44:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes
  175. [6/8/14, 2:44:52 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but wallet doesn't have to be open for that
  176. [6/8/14, 2:44:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it is stored in the blockchain
  177. [6/8/14, 2:45:06 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): ok did someone do a chrome or firefox wallet before ?
  178. [6/8/14, 2:45:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so when you open your wallet, you see that it happened
  179. [6/8/14, 2:45:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I think there were web wallets that used browser localstorage
  180. [6/8/14, 2:45:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but it is very dangerous :)
  181. [6/8/14, 2:46:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): aha yea
  182. [6/8/14, 3:46:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): I'm proposing an idea for API , is verified addresses, so basically anyone can have the option to verify thier address and link it to his email, making "paypal" type of transactions possible
  183. [6/8/14, 3:46:31 PM] Moosa: hello ahmad
  184. [6/8/14, 3:46:35 PM] Moosa: ok
  185. [6/8/14, 3:46:36 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Hey moosa
  186. [6/8/14, 3:46:55 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): I bought the email discussion before above
  187. [6/8/14, 3:47:20 PM] Moosa: i see
  188. [6/8/14, 3:48:07 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): API is a big thing
  189. [6/8/14, 3:48:12 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Once we do that
  190. [6/8/14, 3:48:14 PM] Moosa: yeah it could be very popular
  191. [6/8/14, 3:48:19 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): We do some cool examples ourselves
  192. [6/8/14, 3:48:28 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): And while the other devs start making tools
  193. [6/8/14, 3:48:32 PM] Moosa: yeah
  194. [6/8/14, 3:49:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): First API draft, then we create demos
  195. [6/8/14, 3:49:25 PM] Moosa: cool
  196. [6/8/14, 3:49:39 PM] Moosa: What 'app' do we plan to showcase with the api
  197. [6/8/14, 3:49:44 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): One of the demos could be spreadsheet linking like mindfox mentioned
  198. [6/8/14, 3:49:45 PM] Moosa: our flagship
  199. [6/8/14, 3:49:49 PM] Moosa: i see
  200. [6/8/14, 3:49:54 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Maybe think of something better
  201. [6/8/14, 3:50:06 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): But i feel email verification could eork
  202. [6/8/14, 3:50:09 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): *work
  203. [6/8/14, 3:50:11 PM] Moosa: So we can advertise us a being versatile for devs and promote merchants also ?
  204. [6/8/14, 3:50:33 PM] Moosa: I think step 1 from here
  205. [6/8/14, 3:50:35 PM] Moosa: today is
  206. [6/8/14, 3:50:40 PM] Moosa: to have apresentable plan
  207. [6/8/14, 3:50:43 PM] Moosa: to show
  208. [6/8/14, 3:50:51 PM] Moosa: that way we have it for our reference
  209. [6/8/14, 3:50:57 PM] Moosa: and for people coming to us
  210. [6/8/14, 3:52:30 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Aha gotcha
  211. [6/8/14, 3:52:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): both projects are quite large
  212. [6/8/14, 3:52:54 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Yea I can imagine
  213. [6/8/14, 3:52:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): one (anon) is about implementing something very very secure as it should
  214. [6/8/14, 3:53:53 PM] Moosa: i agree
  215. [6/8/14, 3:53:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, it's not about fairness, it's about productivity
  216. [6/8/14, 3:54:04 PM] Moosa: yeah exactly
  217. [6/8/14, 3:54:10 PM] Moosa: as productive as possible
  218. [6/8/14, 3:54:22 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I believe I'm a professional, so I have no emotional ties
  219. [6/8/14, 3:54:36 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Costas what's the ETA on anon project ?
  220. [6/8/14, 3:54:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, the goal is to have a workable test version by the end of june
  221. [6/8/14, 3:55:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but that eta is not public
  222. [6/8/14, 3:55:16 PM] Moosa: I say ahmad me and your draft something like this
  223. [6/8/14, 3:55:50 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): as you know, if the eta is not met for any reason, people will attack the project, without thinking about anything else than how to spread fud
  224. [6/8/14, 3:56:04 PM] Moosa: ^
  225. [6/8/14, 3:56:34 PM] Moosa: What the others should worry about is the API project
  226. [6/8/14, 4:03:08 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Yea
  227. [6/8/14, 4:03:38 PM] Moosa: Costas
  228. [6/8/14, 4:03:42 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes?
  229. [6/8/14, 4:04:01 PM] Moosa: on a scale of 1 to 10 the deployment of the API system we plan to incorporate what do u think it is?
  230. [6/8/14, 4:04:08 PM] Moosa: in difficulty
  231. [6/8/14, 4:04:21 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it all depends on the functionality we want to inject
  232. [6/8/14, 4:04:53 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example:
  233. [6/8/14, 4:04:57 PM] Moosa: ok
  234. [6/8/14, 4:05:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): return a list of the top10 transactions (in amount of coins)
  235. [6/8/14, 4:05:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or
  236. [6/8/14, 4:05:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): find the addresses of wallets that sent me the most total number of transactions over a period
  237. [6/8/14, 4:06:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or, create recursive payments to this address, every X amount of days, for Z number of times (or till date 11/22/2099)
  238. [6/8/14, 4:06:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or... you name it
  239. [6/8/14, 4:07:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): whatever it could be constructed by many API calls, can be used to create one specific API call
  240. [6/8/14, 4:07:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it would make communication with the wallet a lot faster
  241. [6/8/14, 4:07:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and give structured info
  242. [6/8/14, 4:07:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): which in turn could be used by other applications
  243. [6/8/14, 4:07:47 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): without having to know about blocks and transactions and the lot
  244. [6/8/14, 4:08:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): that would make programming the wallet a lot easier
  245. [6/8/14, 4:08:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because now, one must know about how coins works
  246. [6/8/14, 4:08:26 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, it all depends on how complete and what range of applications we would like to cover
  247. [6/8/14, 4:08:31 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): in reality, sky's the limit
  248. [6/8/14, 4:08:40 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we will of course would like to retain some balalnce
  249. [6/8/14, 4:08:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): binary weight / api commands
  250. [6/8/14, 4:09:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but I believe you get the point
  251. [6/8/14, 4:09:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, the real world example (to fight the fudders) would be: make this (through a single call)
  252. [6/8/14, 4:09:45 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and when the fudder will say: "We can already do that you moron!"
  253. [6/8/14, 4:10:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we will answer: "Yes, with 100 api calls and XXX MB of bandwidth usage and with YYY RAM used to bridge the info, and have it running for UUU amount of time"
  254. [6/8/14, 4:10:41 PM] Moosa: i see
  255. [6/8/14, 4:11:26 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I believe what would be really nice to add to the API and it would be cutting edge in practical use, would be the coin control
  256. [6/8/14, 4:11:34 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): being able to select which transactions to pick in order to send coins
  257. [6/8/14, 4:11:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because right now, either you let the wallet pick (and it uses the oldest ones, so for PoS coins this is a disaster)
  258. [6/8/14, 4:12:06 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or you create the transaction manually (which is a kill, believe me)
  259. [6/8/14, 4:12:23 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Can the API make trading easier ? Like bot linking ..etc or not ?
  260. [6/8/14, 4:12:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, not easier
  261. [6/8/14, 4:12:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because for that purpose, those applications are already aware of how the coin api works
  262. [6/8/14, 4:13:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so it's not so big problem for them
  263. [6/8/14, 4:13:05 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but
  264. [6/8/14, 4:13:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): being able to select which coins you're going to use to deposit to the exchange is crucial (with PoS coins)
  265. [6/8/14, 4:13:34 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the oldest coins you use, the more expensive it is
  266. [6/8/14, 4:13:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because when you do, you destroy their coinage (which means, they won't stake for you)
  267. [6/8/14, 4:14:14 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Aha
  268. [6/8/14, 4:14:18 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): till now, you could do it only with the graphical client by selecting the transactions manually (clicking on checkboxes)
  269. [6/8/14, 4:14:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): also another concept towards that is for exchanges
  270. [6/8/14, 4:14:39 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): as you may have noticed, more and more exchanges are staking and distributing the coins generated to users
  271. [6/8/14, 4:14:55 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): instead of having to move the coins to cold wallets and waste the original coinage,
  272. [6/8/14, 4:14:59 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Like the #1 wallet in cry right ?
  273. [6/8/14, 4:15:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we could give them the ability to perform payouts by using the latest transactions and not the oldest
  274. [6/8/14, 4:15:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): payouts = withdrawals from the user's aspect
  275. [6/8/14, 4:16:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I believe that by caring what exchanges needs, you create a good partner for your coin
  276. [6/8/14, 4:17:16 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I witnessed it in my interaction with exchange admin members
  277. [6/8/14, 4:17:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): most of them kept telling me that they wish others would be so helpful (devs I mean) for their coins and how good it was that I was taking under consideration their needs
  278. [6/8/14, 4:18:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): key role (imho) is exchanges at first
  279. [6/8/14, 4:18:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and merchants or payment gateways, after
  280. [6/8/14, 4:19:04 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if one wants to create a coin with a future, that is
  281. [6/8/14, 4:19:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if not, then only exchanges
  282. [6/8/14, 4:19:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and then, fancy stuff
  283. [6/8/14, 4:19:36 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, it all depends on where we're heading with CRY
  284. [6/8/14, 4:21:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and since both projects are based on my ideas, I believe we got the emotional aspect covered as well :D
  285. [6/8/14, 4:21:29 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Hehe yea :)
  286. [6/8/14, 4:21:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I didn't mean it as an ego-thing
  287. [6/8/14, 4:21:39 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just to show that both projects excites me :)
  288. [6/8/14, 4:27:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you allow me to go afk. dinner time (it's 23:26 here) :)
  289. [6/8/14, 4:27:59 PM] Moosa: cool
  290. [6/8/14, 4:30:39 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Cool see ya
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  295. [6/10/14, 7:36:30 PM] Moosa: Nothing comprising
  296. [6/10/14, 7:36:47 PM] Moosa: Up to your discretion if you feel no
  297. [6/10/14, 7:36:50 PM] Moosa: Then that's fine
  298. [6/10/14, 7:36:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the thing is
  299. [6/10/14, 7:37:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the only thing that could be taken as a screenshot, is the code itself :)
  300. [6/10/14, 7:37:51 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the tests I'm' doing are not like: Open Wallet -> Anon Transaction -> Check it went through
  301. [6/10/14, 7:37:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): that's the final step :)
  302. [6/10/14, 7:38:10 PM] Moosa: ah
  303.  
  304. [6/10/14, 7:40:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): to help you understand better how this goes
  305. [6/10/14, 7:40:34 PM] Moosa: and you have my full support going with it :)
  306. [6/10/14, 7:40:37 PM] Moosa: sure
  307. [6/10/14, 7:40:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I am designing the principles of how it will work
  308. [6/10/14, 7:40:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): break down the flows
  309. [6/10/14, 7:41:00 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): create prototype code and test it
  310. [6/10/14, 7:41:14 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if something doesn't work as it should, either re-code it, or re-design it
  311. [6/10/14, 7:41:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it's a repetitive work
  312. [6/10/14, 7:42:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): now, I don't believe that a command-line like this: sendmsg "address" and a result from it would really mean something
  313. [6/10/14, 7:42:18 PM] gudcrypt: Moosa how are talks with Cryptsy and MintPal?
  314. [6/10/14, 7:42:25 PM] Moosa: I spoke with Horus the other night, they have forwarded my request to Paul, also a big investor I know was going to reach out to Mint and offer them incentive.
  315. [6/10/14, 7:44:43 PM] Moosa: We should be listed on Cryptsy soon and Mint to follow
  316. [6/10/14, 7:44:53 PM] gudcrypt: Awesome work man! :)
  317. [6/10/14, 7:45:00 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Mullick at Cryptsy knows me so being listed there should pose no issue.
  318. [6/10/14, 7:45:01 PM] gudcrypt: good to know
  319. [6/10/14, 7:45:05 PM] Moosa: anyways good chat will check back tomorrow
  320. [6/10/14, 7:45:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): goodbye
  321. [6/10/14, 7:45:13 PM] gudcrypt: later
  322. [6/10/14, 7:45:14 PM] Moosa: :)
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