<Boilerplate> Hi Geisha
<SerCorbieGeisha> Low
<Boilerplate> and High....
<Boilerplate> or vice versa
<Boilerplate> so how's it going?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Nothing
<SerCorbieGeisha> Should update my Morrowind blog
<Boilerplate> So... about that text game you was doing, are you done with that?
<SerCorbieGeisha> No
<SerCorbieGeisha> Haven't worked on it for months
<Boilerplate> Well I thought you was since you haven't been counting how much words you have left like you used to
<Boilerplate> so why haven't you worked on it for months?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Got fed up with the people in the community
<SerCorbieGeisha> And just don't feel like doing anything to do with them
<Boilerplate> So what made you fed up with them?
<SerCorbieGeisha> And there are other things but don't ask me about them
<Boilerplate> oh
<Boilerplate> I guess it's rather personal I guess
<SerCorbieGeisha> Let's see, that place is full of white people who denies the concept of privilege, full of dudes who would fight to have their game have a male character but would shout "reverse sexism" when the opposite happens
<SerCorbieGeisha> And you have people supporting a blatant racist who keeps using 18th 19th century terms of classification, but that's okay because I am worst for telling white people not to appropriate my culture
<SerCorbieGeisha> That incident was the straw that broke the camel's back
<Boilerplate> This kinda reminds me what the White Wolf and perhaps almost every gaming community is like and the reason I stopped hanging around them like I used to. It's such a shame that game communities are this toxic
<Boilerplate> It's worse that most people don't listen nor can they be reasoned with
<Boilerplate> worst of all they you a "Troll" and even call you "Your the one whose sexist/racist/etc" and worse they might even ban you because of "repeated offense".
<SerCorbieGeisha> Well, I don''t blame the mods and admin for this
<SerCorbieGeisha> I don't think they did anything to me
<SerCorbieGeisha> But I can't stand the people anymore so I didn't stick around to find out
<Boilerplate> I guess this is the same reason like I said before I stopped hanging around for example White Wolf forums since those people are a waste of time.
<SerCorbieGeisha> It felt unsafe for me
<SerCorbieGeisha> Entitled people have a way of showing you how displeased they are when you tell them you can't do something
<Boilerplate> For example "Your the one whose being racist/sexist/etc because your discriminating against white people" and some shit like that
<SerCorbieGeisha> If you're not one of the privileged parties, you have a pretty good chance of getting death threats
<Boilerplate> So you mean you really recieved death threats from those people...so that must be the real final straw?
<SerCorbieGeisha> I don't know
<Boilerplate> Or your referring to someone else you know?
<SerCorbieGeisha> It happens a lot, actually
<Boilerplate> So did that really happen to you?
<Boilerplate> by the sound of things
<SerCorbieGeisha> I don't know if it did. I saw that I was being ganged up on there and so I got the hell out
<SerCorbieGeisha> and I also had other personal issues
<SerCorbieGeisha> Just cannot deal
<SerCorbieGeisha> ANd really, I'm afraid of confrontation. I can handle one or two people now but when a group is massing
<SerCorbieGeisha> I just can't
<Boilerplate> I guess you weren't allowed in thier private gentleman's club so they decided gang and chase you out...like that's how you keep a community together.
<Boilerplate> And it's good idea to not raise tensions I guess and probably did the right thing
<SerCorbieGeisha> It wasn't a chasing out
<SerCorbieGeisha> It was more like silencing
<Boilerplate> the same as silencing dissent (well everytime I hear the word "silincing" I get this mental image in my head of someone shooting a dissenter back in the head)
<SerCorbieGeisha> Mine is off slitting someone's throat
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<Boilerplate> Well I think I got the mental imagery from seeings old photos of officers executing tied up dissenters by shooting in the back of the head.
<Boilerplate> I guess slicing someone's throat is more accurate depiction however
<Boilerplate> Well....speaking of which, long ago I gave my last try at the White Wolf forums which I created a thread called "Middle Kingdom done right" which I tried to explain to them about how the Middle Kingdom exoticizes Asia and such but guess what? They also used "reverse racism" arguments which they accused me of being a racist because I was "complaining about white people" which that thread alone
<Boilerplate>  was my final straw I had with the White Wolf community. I'm not even interested in the WoD games like I used to.
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yeah, you linked that thread before
<Boilerplate> Well it's actually a new thread but I'm not linking it though due to the fear of me being banned
<Boilerplate> Plus I don't know where to find it now if it still exists but it's pretty recent though.
<Boilerplate> well I mean it was months ago
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<SerCorbieGeisha> We don't need to see it too
<Boilerplate> Good, you don't have to.
<Boilerplate> It's such a shame that Overtime the WoD got less and less appealing to me now.
<SerCorbieGeisha> It doesn't appeal to me now either
<Boilerplate> Now I look at it with great disgust now, it's now a game designed for white privledged people which it's real target audience.
<SerCorbieGeisha> Well, yeah
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's always been that
<Boilerplate> Sad thing is, we've been oblivious to what it really was all this time under the pretext that "love vampires, werewolves, mages, etc and other supernaturals? the WoD is your best choice"
<SerCorbieGeisha> I still want to try out VtM Redemption though
<Boilerplate> Well it's estinatlly nothing more than "Knight has to rescue his damsel" story which can be summed as
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yeah, I knew that
<SerCorbieGeisha> I'm more interested in how they adapt the mechanics
<Boilerplate> Well the storyteller mode is more worth it than the campaign itself especially the mods for it since there's like thousands of maps made for it
<Boilerplate> not to mention weapons/characters/etc
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yeah, I want to look at the storyteller mode
<SerCorbieGeisha> I always like to imagine setting up a game and never doing it
<Boilerplate> Although their all "Model Swaps" or basically retextures of the same base models mostly due the lack of a source code
<Boilerplate> I think you can look most of these videos for example: http://www.youtube.com/user/PlanetVampiredotcom
<SerCorbieGeisha> I already have the game
<Boilerplate> You already have VTM: Redemption?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yes
<Boilerplate> Well you sounded like you didn't have hence the confusion
<SerCorbieGeisha> I have it, but I havne't played it
<Boilerplate> oh
<Boilerplate> Of course it's why I've been asking if...if we could create a "WoD" out from scratch (more like a "All Myths/Folklores/Legends/etc are true game") how can we do it right to show them their mistakes compared what we can do?
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's a lot of work
<Boilerplate> Well brings me to this next point...well first of all I've been talking to this person named "Jason Colavito" who is known for his work on debunking the AA theory (well debunking the show "Ancient Aliens") and I sent him a email asking him if he knew how to do a "All Myths are True" medium correctly without Christianity coming atop of them (since I appreciated his work getting mythology right
<Boilerplate>  in his debunkings) and he responded
<Boilerplate> with this message: http://pastebin.com/Z0Hnpt21
<Boilerplate> He claims that monotheists are "harder to work with" which presents a two dichimous choices between "Christianity coming on top or has to be abannonded completely" which this has been rather...troubling me recently.
<Boilerplate> Here's his website BTW: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/
<Boilerplate> I guess it's possible he presented a false dictomey since there has to be a third option out of the dilihmma he presented
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yes there is
<SerCorbieGeisha> I told you before
<Boilerplate> So Jason's wrong after all although I try to remember what you told me...ah ah, you told me that the Gods should not show themselves.
<Boilerplate> while All folklores are true on Earth
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yeah. Why do you need gods to appear anyway?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Or you can have gods appear, but not supreme godheads
<SerCorbieGeisha> In Abrahamic religion, you use angels instead
<Boilerplate> like which gods can appear?
<Boilerplate> which ones cannot?
<Boilerplate> The Greek Gods can appear since their the most human of all
<SerCorbieGeisha> But Chaos cannot because
<SerCorbieGeisha> Well, it isn't a godhead
<Boilerplate> Is Kali a godhead and she cannot appear?
<SerCorbieGeisha> No
<SerCorbieGeisha> Okay
<SerCorbieGeisha> Just waht I'm saying
<SerCorbieGeisha> Is that the Abrahamic God woudl be equaled to the concept of a universal thingy'
<SerCorbieGeisha> Like
<SerCorbieGeisha> Its power is felt
<SerCorbieGeisha> It has a presence
<SerCorbieGeisha> But it doesn't appear
<SerCorbieGeisha> Mere mortals can't comprehend God's form anyway
<Boilerplate> Or maybe better the Abrahamic God is actually the same Caanite God Yaweh from Hebrew mythology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_%28Canaanite_deity%29
<Boilerplate> which Angels are only his extensions including Satan/Lucifer
<Boilerplate> who only now has a Monotheistic following based around him
<SerCorbieGeisha> But i prefer not to use gods
<SerCorbieGeisha> Because there are a lot of ways people interpret the stuff
<Boilerplate> which do you prefer to use then?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Folklore is easier to work with
<SerCorbieGeisha> Well
<SerCorbieGeisha> Mythical creatures too
<Boilerplate> So basically it's best to have Mythical creatures to appear more often then Deities
<SerCorbieGeisha> Just look at other stuff
<SerCorbieGeisha> Mostly it's just mythical creatures
<Boilerplate> Of course I always imagine that the Deities only reside in their realms for example, Greek Deities reside in Mount Olympus, Norse Deities reside in Vahallia and else where, and such.
<Boilerplate> So basically Mythological can only be playable...but what about the whole "Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Demon, Faerie, etc" classifcations?
<Boilerplate> Basically your saying that it's best for not have the gods appear but rather having their powers bestowed upon players.
<Boilerplate> Of course...what about the "Afterlife" when people die?
<SerCorbieGeisha> MYSTERY
<SerCorbieGeisha> ALL MY LIFE HAS BEEN A MYSTERY
<Boilerplate> I guess something closer to the Chinese afterlife I remember you spoken of long ago
<SerCorbieGeisha> OBLIVION
<Boilerplate> Well rereading you said about the Abrahamic God....I guess your point is that why can't the other Gods be like that as well?
<Boilerplate> Another thing too I noticed...Are Avatars the equilvent to Angels?
<Boilerplate> since I noticed their extensions of a god which avatars and angels are the same thing
<SerCorbieGeisha> Nope!
<SerCorbieGeisha> Well
<SerCorbieGeisha> The word avatar has a lot of meaning
<Boilerplate> like what?
<SerCorbieGeisha> A manifestation, that's what it means
<SerCorbieGeisha> ANd it can be applied to a lot
<SerCorbieGeisha> Like Ram is an avatar of Vishnu, he is Vishnu in human form
<SerCorbieGeisha> Or Lakshmi is an avatar of Shakti, a form Shakit can manifest into
<SerCorbieGeisha> Or Ganesh's traits
<Boilerplate> I wonder if Avatars can be Player Characters?
<Boilerplate> Or maybe rather Asuras?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Your favourite asura
<Boilerplate> Well...Asura's are not manfestions unlike Avatars?
<Boilerplate> speaking of Asuras...I found this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DklciiZQnQ
<SerCorbieGeisha> Nope, they're beings
<Boilerplate> well..is that video a accurate depiction of a Asura sort of? Well could they appear as normal humans but transform into their six armed three faces forms?
<SerCorbieGeisha> The character is not an asura
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's just that his martial art allows him to do something which imitates an asura, or something like that
<SerCorbieGeisha> ANd it is in the Buddhist style
<Boilerplate> Hindu and Buddhist Asuras are different are they?
<SerCorbieGeisha> And really
<SerCorbieGeisha> They're gods
<SerCorbieGeisha> Why cant' they shapeshift?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yeah, they are sort of different
<Boilerplate> what's the difference between them?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Basically they're mighty warrior gods who oppose the deva
<SerCorbieGeisha> Buddhism gives them more detail
<SerCorbieGeisha> Hinduism generally doesnt' describe the race much
<Boilerplate> Basically when doing Asuras...well first of all I noticed that Hinduism and Buddhism can go hand to hand together...well how do the bodhisattvas and hidu gods relate to each other?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Depends on who you ask
<SerCorbieGeisha> Both religions have a shared root anyway
<Boilerplate> Well what I mean that both Hindu and Buddhist Asuras can be combined
<SerCorbieGeisha> THey already have commonalities
<Boilerplate> oh
<Boilerplate> Well...how can a Asura be a playable character....well do all Asura's have unstoppable rage tempers or some of them have tranquel fury or even silent badasses?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Let me ask you something
<SerCorbieGeisha> What woudl you consider the defining trait of a human?
<Boilerplate> there is no defining trait
<Boilerplate> so the point is the same thing applies to Asuras too
<SerCorbieGeisha> Then let's go with the Buddhist one. They're the only ones that can achieve enlightenment
<SerCorbieGeisha> But are all humans enlightened?
<Boilerplate> nope
<SerCorbieGeisha> Are all humans even interested in it?
<Boilerplate> nope
<SerCorbieGeisha> Meanwhile, the karma of an asura is to be in a world of violence
<SerCorbieGeisha> Does this mean they're all going to react and act on it int he same way?
<Boilerplate> nope
<SerCorbieGeisha> There you have it
<Boilerplate> Also another thing about Karma...my parents thinks it's "What comes around goes around" or is there something more deeper than that
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's not
<Boilerplate> what is it then?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Imagine a sitll pond and then something falls into the water
<SerCorbieGeisha> THe ripples, that's karma
<Boilerplate> so basically...Karma is basically the after effects of things?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Not just that
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<Boilerplate_> what else?
<SerCorbieGeisha> And the idea of there being good and bad karma is a misnomer
<SerCorbieGeisha> Karma is not good bcausie it keeps things trapped within a cycle
<Boilerplate_> basically...Karma is basically material conditions?
<SerCorbieGeisha> But when we say good karma, we just means doing good things and then being rewarded
<SerCorbieGeisha> Not exactly
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's a metaphysical system which serves to keep souls chained to existence
<SerCorbieGeisha> And existence is suffering!
<Boilerplate_> And nonexistence is bliss apparently?
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<SerCorbieGeisha> Yes
<Boilerplate_> So basically...Buddhism is a nhilisht philosphy basically?
<Boilerplate_> nihilism that is
<Boilerplate_> "life is meaningless"
<Boilerplate_> wait a minute: http://www.nembutsu.info/hsrbudd1.htm
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's not nihilist
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's different
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's not that life is meaningless so much as it's an illusion
<SerCorbieGeisha> But that doesn't mean it's not real
<Boilerplate_> you told me that "illuision" actually mean distraction which is what most westeners misinteapt as
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yes, I did
<Boilerplate_> Basically...although I guess I hate to say this but....the only closest film I can think that depicts Buddhism is....you ready? you guessed it the Matrix.
<Boilerplate_> Basically the world was created as a distraction from our real purpose
<Boilerplate_> and what lies outside of existence? maybe the "True Reality" itself....
<Boilerplate_> point is...what if we're all in a computer simulated world?
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yeah, the Matrix writers basically skimmed through some philosophy books
<Boilerplate_> Well....have you heard of Solipsism before? where only one person (or maybe a few people) in this world are real while everything else are just projections.
<SerCorbieGeisha> Yes I know that one
<Boilerplate_> I guess it's the same idea
<SerCorbieGeisha> What same idea?
<Boilerplate_> Solipsism and Buddhism
<Boilerplate_> Well I thought the ideas are similar
<SerCorbieGeisha> Nope
<SerCorbieGeisha> Not one bit
<SerCorbieGeisha> I hav eno idea where you even got that idea
<Boilerplate_> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090121200048AAgstTy
<Boilerplate_> "However, some schools of Buddhism, Yogacara for example, were extremely solipsistic."
<SerCorbieGeisha> Nope
<Boilerplate_> well here's the wiki page and scroll down to "Relation to other ideas" starting from Samsara  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism
<SerCorbieGeisha> Do you have a Buddhist background?
<Boilerplate_> No
<SerCorbieGeisha> The  you don't have the cultural context to interpret the various schools of thoughts
<Boilerplate_> So the yahoo people got it wrong I guess
<Boilerplate_> So their two different things
<SerCorbieGeisha> It's complicated
<Boilerplate_> just how complicated?
<Boilerplate_> very complicated
<SerCorbieGeisha> Complicated in that wiki is only a surface guide and you shouldn't persume to know when you don't have the cultural context