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  3. On 26/05/2011, e-letter <[email protected]> wrote:
  4. >>e-letter schrieb:
  5. >>
  6. >>>A link would not show the behaviour;
  7. >>
  8. >>Thanks for your estimation. My intention was rather to have easy access
  9. >>to information of that list and to an example where Your answer really
  10. >>worked.
  11. >>
  12. > See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.gnuplot.user/5655,
  13. > but this does not show anything.
  14. >
  15. >>As I spend enough time investigating Your problem
  16. >>http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.test
  17. >>I hoped to save the time of searching myself..
  18. >>
  19. >>>would be better to subscribe to gnuplot mailing list digest mode.
  20. >>
  21. >>A link where to do so was really great - allthough not helpful *for me*
  22. >>as I don't have gmail running and I don't intend to do so.
  23. >>
  24. >>>When the 'reply' function is activated in gmail web-mail interface, the
  25. >>>mail message format is retained.
  26. >>
  27. >>As told, I would like to see a succesful example of an answer sent by
  28. >>You if You make possible to provide a link.
  29. >>
  30. >>By the way:
  31. >>As workaround to send proper answers is "ordering" the desired mail
  32. >>sending a mail to:
  33. >>[email protected] where "N" is the number of that
  34. >>mail provided with the digest.
  35. >>
  36. >
  37. > This does not seem to be an acceptable alternative method. The user
  38. > would reply, change manually the recipient e-mail address and then
  39. > wait for a response from the servers.
  40. >
  41. >>Additionally You're hereby invited to subscribe to
  42. >>[email protected]
  43. >>where we try to solve Your problem. We need your experience with digest
  44. >>handling and your testing skills. ;o))
  45. >>
  46. > Subscription has been enabled.
  47. >
  48. > Below is copy of the digest mode message received
  49. >
  50. >
  51. > Delivered-To: [email protected]
  52. > Received: by 10.216.54.85 with SMTP id h63cs4144wec;
  53. > Wed, 25 May 2011 23:00:06 -0700 (PDT)
  54. > Received: by 10.213.4.198 with SMTP id 6mr174974ebs.124.1306389605519;
  55. > Wed, 25 May 2011 23:00:05 -0700 (PDT)
  56. > Return-Path:
  57. > <[email protected]>
  58. > Received: from bilbo.documentfoundation.org
  59. > (bilbo.documentfoundation.org [178.63.91.70])
  60. > by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id
  61. > v13si792201eef.81.2011.05.25.23.00.05
  62. > (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
  63. > Wed, 25 May 2011 23:00:05 -0700 (PDT)
  64. > Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of
  65. > [email protected]
  66. > designates 178.63.91.70 as permitted sender) client-ip=178.63.91.70;
  67. > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
  68. > [email protected]
  69. > designates 178.63.91.70 as permitted sender)
  70. > smtp.mail=discuss+bounces-digest-inpost=gmail.com@documentfoundation.org
  71. > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 23:00:05 -0700 (PDT)
  72. > Message-Id: <[email protected]>
  73. > Received: from bilbo.documentfoundation.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
  74. > by bilbo.documentfoundation.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1942C1BF21E4
  75. > for <[email protected]>; Thu, 26 May 2011 08:00:05 +0200 (CEST)
  76. > From: [email protected]
  77. > MIME-Version: 1.0
  78. > Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary=7b72ac84340cf61c
  79. > Subject:
  80. > =?utf-8?q?Digest_of_discuss=40documentfoundation.org_issue_289_=286272-6280=29?=
  81. > Reply-To: [email protected]
  82. > Errors-To: [email protected]
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  85. > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]>
  86. > List-Archive: <http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/>
  87. > List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]>
  88. > List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]>
  89. > List-Subscribe: <mailto:[email protected]>
  90. > List-Owner: <mailto:[email protected]>
  91. > To: [email protected]
  92. >
  93. >
  94. > --7b72ac84340cf61c
  95. > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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  97. >
  98. > Topics (messages 6272 through 6280):
  99. >
  100. > [tdf-discuss] Mailing List FAQ
  101. > 6272 - NoOp <[email protected]>
  102. >
  103. > [tdf-discuss] Mailing List FAQ
  104. > 6273 - Volker Merschmann <[email protected]>
  105. >
  106. > [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient?
  107. > (was: Paid Developers)
  108. > 6274 - e-letter <[email protected]>
  109. >
  110. > [tdf-discuss] Fwd: Why TDF should be the place for one united Community
  111. > 6275 - Florian Effenberger <[email protected]>
  112. >
  113. > [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient?
  114. > 6276 - Friedrich Strohmaier <[email protected]>
  115. >
  116. > [tdf-discuss] Re: Mailing List FAQ
  117. > 6277 - NoOp <[email protected]>
  118. >
  119. > [tdf-discuss] Re: Mailing List FAQ
  120. > 6278 - Steve Edmonds <[email protected]>
  121. >
  122. > [tdf-discuss] Re: Mailing List FAQ
  123. > 6279 - Jean Hollis Weber <[email protected]>
  124. >
  125. > [tdf-discuss] Re: Mailing List FAQ
  126. > 6280 - Steve Edmonds <[email protected]>
  127. >
  128. >
  129. >
  130. > --7b72ac84340cf61c
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  139. > Wed, 25 May 2011 06:24:59 +0200 (CEST)
  140. > X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new-2.6.4 (20090625) at
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  156. > for <[email protected]>;
  157. > Wed, 25 May 2011 06:24:10 +0200 (CEST)
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  163. > id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00
  164. > for <[email protected]>; Wed, 25 May 2011 06:24:09 +0200
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  168. > for <[email protected]>; Wed, 25 May 2011 06:24:09 +0200
  169. > X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/
  170. > To: [email protected]
  171. > From: NoOp <[email protected]>
  172. > Subject: [tdf-discuss] Mailing List FAQ
  173. > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 21:23:57 -0700
  174. > Lines: 7
  175. > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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  194. >
  195. > Is there one?
  196. >
  197. > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
  198. > doesn't show or refer to one.
  199. >
  200. >
  201. >
  202. >
  203. >
  204. > -- =
  205. >
  206. > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected]
  207. > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
  208. > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
  209. > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
  210. > dele=
  211. > ted
  212. >
  213. > --7b72ac84340cf61c
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  222. > Wed, 25 May 2011 08:44:21 +0200 (CEST)
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  246. > (No client certificate requested)
  247. > by bilbo.documentfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B559F1BF210D
  248. > for <[email protected]>;
  249. > Wed, 25 May 2011 08:44:08 +0200 (CEST)
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  270. > In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
  271. > References: <[email protected]>
  272. > From: Volker Merschmann <[email protected]>
  273. > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 08:43:47 +0200
  274. > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
  275. > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Mailing List FAQ
  276. > To: [email protected]
  277. > Archived-At: <http://go.mail-archive.com/XECuJ6ufky47O0eGE0tr3mL6eOA=>
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  279. > Errors-To: [email protected]
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  291. >
  292. > Hi,
  293. >
  294. > 2011/5/25 NoOp <[email protected]>:
  295. >> Is there one?
  296. >>
  297. >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
  298. >> doesn't show or refer to one.
  299. >>
  300. > The german wiki page
  301. > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de has some
  302. > additions and links for that. Maybe somebody should translate that to
  303. > the english page.
  304. >
  305. >
  306. > Volker
  307. >
  308. >
  309. > -- =
  310. >
  311. > Volker Merschmann
  312. > Member of The Document Foundation
  313. > http://www.documentfoundation.org
  314. >
  315. > -- =
  316. >
  317. > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected]
  318. > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
  319. > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/
  320. > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
  321. > dele=
  322. > ted
  323. >
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  378. > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 09:39:42 +0100
  379. > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
  380. > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy
  381. > mailclient? (was: Paid Developers)
  382. > From: e-letter <[email protected]>
  383. > To: [email protected]
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  472. > Hello everyone,
  473. >
  474. > thought I share this with you. I have posted it as a reply to the =
  475. >
  476. > OpenOffice.org marketing mailing list, where a discussion is going on =
  477. >
  478. > currently.
  479. >
  480. > Florian
  481. >
  482. > -------- Original Message --------
  483. > Subject: [marketing-dev] Why TDF should be the place for one united =
  484. >
  485. > Community
  486. > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:03:26 +0200
  487. > From: Florian Effenberger <[email protected]>
  488. > Reply-to: [email protected]
  489. > Organization: The Document Foundation
  490. > To: [email protected]
  491. >
  492. > Hello everyone,
  493. >
  494. > I have not been subscribed to this list for months, but due to Louis'
  495. > recent Cc, I was made aware of the discussion going on -- so, as a
  496. > representant of TDF, but also as someone for whom personally the
  497. > community means a lot, let me say a few words.
  498. >
  499. > I indeed see the current situation as an ideal basis for uniting things.
  500. > The diversity the Community is in now doesn't help anyone. If you now
  501. > think we, TDF, are happy and get satisfaction out of the current
  502. > situation, you are terribly wrong. Even if we expected something like
  503. > that to happen, our intention was to safeguard the project from this
  504. > eventuality, not to profit from it.
  505. >
  506. > We all have similar goals: a free office suite, available to everyone.
  507. > So let's not discuss about the past, about what has happened and about
  508. > the reasons that led to this, but rather focus on the future.
  509. >
  510. > I want to openly repeat our invitation to everyone to join The Document
  511. > Foundation and the LibreOffice Community. Why do I think that we are the
  512. > right place to continue the work?
  513. >
  514. > In yesterday's blog post, we summed up where we stand, and reading it
  515. > will help to understand the current situation:
  516. >
  517. >
  518. > http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/05/24/updates-on-the-foundation/
  519. >
  520. > 1. We are vendor neutral. I am sorry that I have to object to Louis'
  521. > statement of us being a proxy for Microsoft -- nothing can be further
  522. > from the truth. I must confess, that by statements like these, I feel
  523. > even personally insulted. I spend many hours per day on a pure volunteer
  524. > basis, and if anyone can point on those of my doings that are proxying
  525. > for Microsoft, I would be interested to hear them. Otherwise, I'll ask
  526. > to stop spreading those wrong assumptions -- as they are simply that:
  527. > wrong.
  528. >
  529. > 2. We have a strong legal backing, not only by the German nonprofit
  530. > "Freies Office Deutschland e.V.", but also by the Software in the Public
  531. > Interest (SPI), and we are on track with establishing the Foundation as
  532. > a legal entity. Even right now, we have all options needed for dealing
  533. > with legal aspects, accepting and spending money. We already can and do
  534. > maintain trademarks, brands and other assets.
  535. >
  536. > 3. We have an independent infrastructure that works and is not
  537. > controlled by nor depends on a single entity. In addition, as we are not
  538. > using a fixed web framework, we are very flexible in what we do.
  539. >
  540. > 4. We have not only gained a lot of momentum, but also a strong
  541. > developer base of more than 200 volunteers, amongst them 40 who
  542. > contribute on a very regular basis. Yes, of course, any contribution
  543. > corporations with paid developers do are highly welcome and help a lot
  544. > -- but already right now, we are in a status where we could drive the
  545. > project without them, if the worst case would occur. This is something
  546. > we never managed to achieve in ten years' of OpenOffice.org.
  547. >
  548. > When I first read the Oracle announcement from April, talking about an
  549. > independent, noncommercial entity, my first thoughts were -- and still
  550. > are -- "this is exactly what TDF is doing". I have seen proposals of
  551. > setting up another foundation, or moving to an existing foundation that
  552. > is not TDF. Honestly, this does not make very much sense to me. It would
  553. > again lead to a diversity, would require many efforts, and would
  554. > continue to irritate the market at large.
  555. >
  556. > Why reinvent the wheel? OpenOffice.org is already very special in many
  557. > of its processes. Having it under the umbrella of another, existing
  558. > entity, would require lots of changes to fit in there. TDF has, from the
  559. > very beginning, been shaped as a new entity with processes that fit to
  560. > what we have accomplished the last years. We changed things that didn't
  561. > work, and improved things that do work -- isn't this the best basis to
  562. > build on? Let's not waste energy in once again trying to fit under an
  563. > umbrella, but rather work jointly together on our future.
  564. >
  565. > I am not saying that TDF does everything right and 100% perfect. We are
  566. > giving our best, and I think we do a fairly good job. I've seen comments
  567. > that TDF is missing big corporate support, and that the whole ecosystem
  568. > is at risk. Again, I consider this terribly wrong. Of course, we would
  569. > love to have much more support from corporations already, but building
  570. > this up needs time, requires trust and confidence, and after all,
  571. > support is growing rapidly. If anyone thinks by setting up a new
  572. > foundation or by doing a few phone calls you can get big corporate
  573. > support, I must say that almost sounds delusionary. And does it really
  574. > make sense that in the future, two entities will try that out? Wouldn't
  575. > it be much better to speak united, with one voice?
  576. >
  577. > In my letter of resignation last October
  578. > (http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg11691.html),
  579. > I=
  580. > 've =
  581. >
  582. >
  583. > said that I am looking forward to talking again about options to
  584. > cooperate. I feel that time has come now.
  585. >
  586. > So, I would be really interested of what actually prevents from
  587. > cooperating with TDF, and uniting once again. Are there any valid
  588. > reasons? Let's leave out what happened in the past -- a lot of bad words
  589. > have been said, but digging into that does not help.
  590. >
  591. > What compelling reasons are there to not work together again, in one
  592. > Community?
  593. >
  594. > TDF is there, TDF is open, and to me, it would be the ideal home of a
  595. > united Community. The decision about that requires no leader, but you,
  596. > anyone of you, can make it on your own.
  597. >
  598. > Our future can be bright. Let's make it together.
  599. >
  600. > Florian
  601. >
  602. > -- =
  603. >
  604. > Florian Effenberger <[email protected]>
  605. > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation
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  759. > From: NoOp <[email protected]>
  760. > Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mailing List FAQ
  761. > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 20:15:09 -0700
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  786. > On 05/24/2011 11:43 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote:
  787. >> Hi,
  788. >> =
  789. >
  790. >> 2011/5/25 NoOp <[email protected]>:
  791. >>> Is there one?
  792. >>>
  793. >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
  794. >>> doesn't show or refer to one.
  795. >>>
  796. >> The german wiki page
  797. >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de has some
  798. >> additions and links for that. Maybe somebody should translate that to
  799. >> the english page.
  800. >> =
  801. >
  802. >> =
  803. >
  804. >> Volker
  805. >> =
  806. >
  807. >> =
  808. >
  809. >
  810. > I suppose. But that page is on
  811. > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/ so even if
  812. > translated and cleaned up wouldn't suffice.
  813. >
  814. > The place for such a FAQ should be on
  815. > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ and apply to all
  816. > locales. Suggestions:
  817. > <http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html>
  818. > <http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists>
  819. > [Technical guidelines - in particular]
  820. > http://www.openoffice.org/ml_guidelines.html
  821. >
  822. > And then once finalised/finalized should be posted in each mail list on
  823. > a monthly basis so that list users are aware of
  824. > etiquette/action/cooperation on the lists. This used to be common
  825. > practice for mail lists in the past & helped resolve unnecessary posts
  826. > regarding posting styles[1], etc.
  827. >
  828. > It's pretty hard to condem someone for top-posting, going way of topic,
  829. > discussing religion, et al if there isn't a FAQ or some form of common
  830. > guideline for user behaviour in the mail lists. Nor can you chastise
  831. > someone for posting in the developer list regarding a valid user concern
  832. > simply because you are not a developer etc. Example:
  833. > If the developer list doesn't want common users posting what are
  834. > considered valid user concerns (i.e., broken pre-release packages,
  835. > failure to provide the same in packages that affect installed stable
  836. > packages) without being insulted and chastised, then items like this
  837. > should be included up front on the
  838. > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ page as well.
  839. >
  840. > That said, here is a question; how can a common user be expected to
  841. > possibly find http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/ to
  842. > begin with? I see no link on
  843. > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ do you?
  844. >
  845. >
  846. >
  847. >
  848. > [1]
  849. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
  850. >
  851. >
  852. >
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  929. > On 2011-05-26 15:15, NoOp wrote:
  930. >> On 05/24/2011 11:43 PM, Volker Merschmann wrote:
  931. >> =
  932. >
  933. >>> Hi,
  934. >>>
  935. >>> 2011/5/25 NoOp <[email protected]>:
  936. >>> =
  937. >
  938. >>>> Is there one?
  939. >>>>
  940. >>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
  941. >>>> doesn't show or refer to one.
  942. >>>>
  943. >>>> =
  944. >
  945. >>> The german wiki page
  946. >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de has some
  947. >>> additions and links for that. Maybe somebody should translate that to
  948. >>> the english page.
  949. >>>
  950. >>>
  951. >>> Volker
  952. >>>
  953. >>>
  954. >>> =
  955. >
  956. >> I suppose. But that page is on
  957. >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/ so even if
  958. >> translated and cleaned up wouldn't suffice.
  959. >>
  960. >> The place for such a FAQ should be on
  961. >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ and apply to all
  962. >> locales. Suggestions:
  963. >> <http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/etiquette.html>
  964. >> <http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists>
  965. >> [Technical guidelines - in particular]
  966. >> http://www.openoffice.org/ml_guidelines.html
  967. >>
  968. >> And then once finalised/finalized should be posted in each mail list on
  969. >> a monthly basis so that list users are aware of
  970. >> etiquette/action/cooperation on the lists. This used to be common
  971. >> practice for mail lists in the past & helped resolve unnecessary posts
  972. >> regarding posting styles[1], etc.
  973. >>
  974. >> It's pretty hard to condem someone for top-posting, going way of topic,
  975. >> discussing religion, et al if there isn't a FAQ or some form of common
  976. >> guideline for user behaviour in the mail lists. Nor can you chastise
  977. >> someone for posting in the developer list regarding a valid user concern
  978. >> simply because you are not a developer etc. Example:
  979. >> If the developer list doesn't want common users posting what are
  980. >> considered valid user concerns (i.e., broken pre-release packages,
  981. >> failure to provide the same in packages that affect installed stable
  982. >> packages) without being insulted and chastised, then items like this
  983. >> should be included up front on the
  984. >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ page as well.
  985. >>
  986. >> That said, here is a question; how can a common user be expected to
  987. >> possibly find http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/ to
  988. >> begin with? I see no link on
  989. >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ do you?
  990. >>
  991. >>
  992. >>
  993. >>
  994. >> [1]
  995. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
  996. >> =
  997. >
  998. > A regular (monthly) post of the faq would be good. In regards
  999. > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/
  1000. > it may not be linked anywhere because it seems empty "There is currently
  1001. > no text in this page."
  1002. > steve
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