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  1. i feel like the gravity falls fandom takes bill cipher too lightly if you know what i mean
  2. [7:34:16 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Vikcron
  3. [7:34:20 AM] Void: fakku
  4. [7:34:25 AM] caliginousAqueduct: :?
  5. [7:34:32 AM] Void: like
  6. [7:34:49 AM] Void: i feel like they just think he has no more power than what has been shown
  7. [7:34:52 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Void, I know nothing about the GF fandom except that I refuse to get into it.
  8. [7:35:19 AM] caliginousAqueduct: I have heard horror stories
  9. [7:37:07 AM] Void: yeah i just
  10. [7:37:09 AM] caliginousAqueduct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuNuxGVxrMU&list=PLaB_QMFrc2ScNJ6KnwRieh_eYREizb_5G&index=5
  11. [7:37:22 AM] Void: i like bill cipher as a villain and he kinda gets shit on by the fandom
  12. [7:37:29 AM] caliginousAqueduct: I
  13. [7:37:30 AM] caliginousAqueduct: don't?
  14. [7:37:50 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Like bill is the avatar of quirky tween RANDUMB
  15. [7:38:11 AM] caliginousAqueduct: his first scene has his pulling teeth from a deer an presenting it to giddeon just because he could..
  16. [7:39:16 AM] Void: how is that like a teen
  17. [7:39:53 AM] caliginousAqueduct: WAFFLE SANDWICHES NEKO KAWAII I WILL INVADE UR DREAMS AND CREATE KILLER JEFF :333333
  18. [7:39:56 AM] caliginousAqueduct: That's how
  19. [7:40:12 AM] Void: not even close to how he acts tho
  20. [7:40:27 AM] Void: he (and the rest of the show for the most part) is one big conspiracy theory joke
  21. [7:40:35 AM] caliginousAqueduct: It is in essence his motivation though.
  22. [7:40:40 AM] Void: he's a being that is manipulating everything behind the scenes
  23. [7:40:43 AM] Void: including reality
  24. [7:40:46 AM] caliginousAqueduct: hes
  25. [7:40:47 AM] caliginousAqueduct: ot though.
  26. [7:40:50 AM] caliginousAqueduct: *not
  27. [7:40:56 AM] Void: he is
  28. [7:41:03 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Hes been defeated before canonically.
  29. [7:41:16 AM] caliginousAqueduct: And he doesn't alter reality or manipulate it
  30. [7:41:21 AM] Void: yeah, but he's still stopped dipper from discovering anything
  31. [7:41:25 AM] Void: the deer thing?
  32. [7:41:27 AM] caliginousAqueduct: See him needing to go into Stans dreams
  33. [7:41:36 AM] caliginousAqueduct: see him needing to possess dipper
  34. [7:42:08 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Hes a very limited power with just something very broadly defined.
  35. [7:42:56 AM] Void: and he was only 'defeated' because they annoyed him, and he didn't feel like helping gideon anymore
  36. [7:43:15 AM] Void: they were 'beating' him and he just wiped the whole thing and went away
  37. [7:43:16 AM] caliginousAqueduct: No that's not what I meant
  38. [7:43:27 AM] caliginousAqueduct: but yes, he basically chucked the board.
  39. [7:43:41 AM] caliginousAqueduct: The Author had beaten him.
  40. [7:44:30 AM] *** caliginousAqueduct shits on your powerful characters with limitations ***
  41. [7:45:22 AM] caliginousAqueduct: In all seriousness though
  42. [7:45:42 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Bill is described as a dream demon, he's total ID.
  43. [7:46:03 AM] caliginousAqueduct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego
  44. [7:46:15 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Its a bullshit theory but the terms are used over and over again.
  45. [7:46:44 AM] Void: i say he has a greater plan
  46. [7:46:48 AM] *** Void as he has said so ***
  47. [7:47:01 AM] caliginousAqueduct: His greater plan is probably a manifestation.
  48. [7:47:10 AM] caliginousAqueduct: If we consider him limited to his 'territory'
  49. [7:47:36 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Which as I recall was a thing where he had been summoned, then he may want to pop out of someones head.
  50. [7:47:41 AM] caliginousAqueduct: The dream made flesh.
  51. [7:48:10 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Basically outside of his zone he cant do shit but possess people.
  52. [7:48:25 AM] caliginousAqueduct: and even that seems to need consent.
  53. [7:50:04 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Also, Bill is not a cold and calculating mastermind.
  54. [7:50:14 AM] caliginousAqueduct: He IS shown to be angry and childish
  55. [7:50:17 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Like you said
  56. [7:50:27 AM] caliginousAqueduct: when he was annoyed he just resorted to flipping the board
  57. [7:50:46 AM] Void: i didnt say he was cold and calculating
  58. [7:50:56 AM] Void: i just think he has more up his sleeve than has been shown
  59. [7:51:13 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Im just saying hes not some power play manipulator.
  60. [7:51:20 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Seems more an...opportunist.
  61. [7:51:33 AM] Void: i'd say he's like
  62. [7:51:38 AM] Void: he's clever, not smart
  63. [7:51:52 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Eeeh high wisdom?
  64. [7:51:54 AM] Void: he knows how to fuck with people, but not how to keep it up very well
  65. [7:51:57 AM] caliginousAqueduct: I cant really see it.
  66. [7:52:03 AM] Void: he can't play the long game
  67. [7:52:06 AM] Void: he gets outsmarted
  68. [7:52:08 AM] caliginousAqueduct: honestly he seems more charisma bsed than anything
  69. [7:52:16 AM] Void: well yeah
  70. [7:52:19 AM] Void: but i mean in general
  71. [7:52:26 AM] Void: he can't manipulate people over time
  72. [7:52:31 AM] caliginousAqueduct: Hes a bard.
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