Modfight no IPs

[14:21] <andrewsmith> >[14:20] <bmeckel> it doesn't need to be all in one, because that will lead to a reddit-wide drama that is unecessary
[14:21] <bep> Kenny___ = kennylog in?
[14:21] <andrewsmith> I agree
[14:21] <andrewsmith> which is why it is only in modmail
[14:21] <bmeckel> ok i gotta go do work
[14:21] <Kenny___> yes, i think bep and as1986 are getting overly defensive at a suggestion on how to run things smoothly
[14:21] <bmeckel> but you guys know how i feel
[14:21] <krmanaut> agreed
[14:21] <bmeckel> ignore it if you want i don't mind
[14:21] <krmanaut> i just want consistent moderation and enforcement of the rules we have
[14:21] <relic2279> bep: coolio :)
[14:21] <bmeckel> just keep it in mind
[14:21] <bep> consistent moderation is what we've been having
[14:21] <bep> a good mod presence
[14:21] <krmanaut> which is why i sent out a reminder to people
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[14:21] <bep> as well as verification and community interaction
[14:21] <andrewsmith> "t a suggestion on how to run things smoothly"
[14:22] <andrewsmith> IUt was not a suggestion
[14:22] <krmanaut> We do not need a good mod presence or community interaction
[14:22] <andrewsmith> it was a command
[14:22] <krmanaut> that's how reddit works: mods stay out of the way
[14:22] <bep> that's not how reddit works
[14:22] <bep> not any more
[14:22] <andrewsmith> no it isn't
[14:22] <andrewsmith> what about askscience?
[14:22] <bep> what about /r/comics
[14:22] <bep> what about /r/politics
[14:22] <bep> r/self
[14:22] <andrewsmith> each subreddit is different
[14:22] <krmanaut> each subreddit has rules, true
[14:22] <bep> the only one where mods stay out of the way that are large i would say are /r/atheism and /r/worldpolitics
[14:22] <krmanaut> so does /r/iama
[14:23] <andrewsmith> the fact that we set things up with people to come in and do iamas means that we can't just sit by and be janitors.
[14:23] <krmanaut> and the rules of iama say that the users should put the proof directly in their post
[14:23] <bep> yet people still call for mod verification
[14:23] <andrewsmith> the rules that you decided on your own
[14:23] <bep> and for a general upping of quality
[14:23] <krmanaut> andrewsmith: yes, I did make the rules
[14:23] <andrewsmith> which is bs
[14:23] <krmanaut> which is a condition
[14:24] <krmanaut> that 32bites imposed
[14:24] <krmanaut> to open up the subreddit again
[14:24] <andrewsmith> we vote on the rules for almost all of the subreddits I am in
[14:24] <bep> proof?
[14:24] <krmanaut> and I think this is how it should be moderated
[14:24] <illuminatedwax> andrewsmith, oops i just saw your question
[14:24] <andrewsmith> including askreddit, funny and pics
[14:24] <bep> how can 32bites still exert control if he isn't a mod anymore
[14:24] <bep> if he were still top mod, i can understand
[14:24] <krmanaut> he can't
[14:24] <Kenny___> He isn't saying 'no verification', right? I think it is important to try to urge users to put proof in the thread when they can, transparency is always what we wanted
[14:24] <bep> but someone who leaves can't exert pressure on anyone to do anything
[14:24] <krmanaut> exactly, kenny
[14:24] <Kenny___> also, how you guys read this this fast is beyond me
[14:24] <krmanaut> i think we should have a smaller role
[14:24] <andrewsmith> >I think it is important to try to urge users to put proof in the thread when they can, transparency is always what we wanted
[14:25] <krmanaut> and encourage users to verify for themselves
[14:25] <illuminatedwax> andrewsmith, you misspelled my nick -- asking for upvotes can be removed. i dont see why its not already
[14:25] <bep> they do
[14:25] <andrewsmith> that option isn't gone. if they submit it to modmail they know they are confidential
[14:25] <bep> but the mod verification brings a presence to the community
[14:25] <krmanaut> when someone PMs us with verification, we should first ask "can you put this proof in your thread"
[14:25] <krmanaut> instead of instantly going to the thread and leaving a comment
[14:25] <krmanaut> i haven't been seeing any of that
[14:25] <krmanaut> BEP; we don't need to bring a presence to the community
[14:25] <bep> why not
[14:26] <Kenny___> they are overzealous with the confidentiality
[14:26] <krmanaut> we shouldn't seek to create a presence just for the sake of making a presence
[14:26] <illuminatedwax> i was for absolute minimal moderation but that was before /r/funny became /r/theotherf7u12
[14:26] <bep> it's for the sake of engaging the community
[14:26] <Kenny___> I honestly think it is a good suggestion, not some overhaul questioning my masculinity
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[14:26] <krmanaut> why do you need to engage with the community?
[14:26] <krmanaut> for what
[14:26] <krmanaut> let the community do it themselves
[14:26] <krmanaut> that is the point of reddit
[14:26] <bep> because they're the users of the community i agreed to moderate
[14:26] <bep> self regulation isn't working!
[14:26] <andrewsmith> but that is up to them kenny. If they want tit to be confidential, it should be
[14:27] <Kenny___> and it can be, if it is needed.  he is just saying to try to be more stringent on when it is actually needed.
[14:27] <illuminatedwax> tits should never be confidential >:]
[14:27] <Kenny___> agreed
[14:27] <Raerth> mine should
[14:27] <alienth> having a public face to the community is often helpful. it helps the users identify with you.
[14:27] <alienth> certainly not necessary in every subreddit, but i generally think it is a good thing
[14:28] <andrewsmith> I agree alienth
[14:28] <krmanaut> alienth: i agree
[14:28] <andrewsmith> iama is an active moderator community
[14:28] <krmanaut> but andrewsmith seems to be saying we should have a public face, for the sake of having one
[14:28] <andrewsmith> they rely on us often
[14:28] <andrewsmith> it shouldn't change
[14:28] <krmanaut> i am saying we should have a public face only when it is necessary
[14:29] <andrewsmith> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/oxndo/iama_coinstar_employeewe_own_redbox_ama/
[14:29] <andrewsmith> >This should always be the first question answered . . .    >>or a requirement before the thread even goes public
[14:30] <andrewsmith> they want this
[14:30] <krmanaut> no, they want proven IAmAs
[14:30] <krmanaut> which should be done by the user
[14:30] <krmanaut> just like this guy was willing to put it in his post
[14:30] <krmanaut> there was no need for you to step in like that if he was completely willing to volunteer it publicly like that
[14:31] <krmanaut> it should onyl be our job when it needs to remain confidential
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[14:31] <andrewsmith> He didn't volunteer it til I asked. I was throwing out that modmail is confidential, not mandatory
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[14:32] <Dacvak> Howdy y'all
[14:32] <krmanaut> hey dac
[14:32] <Dacvak> Hey
[14:33] <sodypop> I would think that verification is best left to the user when possible.
[14:33] <andrewsmith> There is nothing wrong with asking for verification for posts that are easily verifiable and easily faked. Modmail isn't mandatory but the option should be there
[14:33] <krmanaut> sodypop: exactly
[14:33] <krmanaut> that is what i am trying to push
[14:33] <sodypop> I'm remembering a while back a thread was marked as verified by a mod but it turned out the OP had deceived a mod.
[14:33] <sodypop> And then all hell breaks loose.
[14:33] <krmanaut> yes
[14:33] <andrewsmith> >I would think that verification is best left to the user when possible."   that is still there
[14:34] <krmanaut> nitrousconsumed verified someone based on one picture that they sent confidentially
[14:34] <krmanaut> it was photoshopped
[14:34] <Orbixx> COLOUR ME SURPRISED
[14:34] <krmanaut> and had *everyone* had access to that photo, then the public could have easily seen it when she didn't
[14:34] <krmanaut> which is yet another example of why community verification is better than letting mods do it
[14:34] <sodypop> Yeah, that way the users can downvote the fakers
[14:34] <krmanaut> exactly
[14:34] <andrewsmith> nothing is being taken away from the users. nothing was changed
[14:34] <krmanaut> the way reddit is supposed to work
[14:35] <andrewsmith> that isn't gone though
[14:35] <sodypop> users will let their guard down if something is verified by a mod. One set of eyes can easily be tricked.
[14:35] <andrewsmith> you seem to think that I am advocating that all submissions are verified or deleted
[14:36] <krmanaut> andrewsmith: going to blunt about this: you only seem to want to be a mod for the publicity of it
[14:36] <krmanaut> you publicly post in threads and love to distinguish comments
[14:36] <andrewsmith> I'm just saying that a mod asking for verification of a easily faked claim and suggesting that modmail is confidential
[14:36] <krmanaut> but i see very little modmail with you in it, or approved threads, or banned threads from you
[14:37] <Orbixx> krmanaut: You do zero moderating, you are not one to criticise.
[14:37] <krmanaut> Orbixx: not your discussion, as you were already disgracefully removed
[14:37] <Orbixx> krmanaut: Disgracefully indeed.
[14:37] <Orbixx> krmanaut: Dick move.
[14:37] <krmanaut> and now that we have a moderator log, it is easy to see who is pulling weight
[14:37] <andrewsmith> I didn't ask to be mod. I helped yall out when yall were in need and I was offered it. I post publically post in threads that I think should be posted in it and I don't think distinguishing *many* comments is a negative thing.
[14:38] <krmanaut> but that's not really the point of this conversation
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[14:38] <andrewsmith> Look through the modmail, I constantly respond to stuff.
[14:38] <bep> and i'm back
[14:38] <krmanaut> so the sticking point that i see
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[14:38] <andrewsmith> I don't go through the modqueu ebecause I can't with my RES and have sai dthat multiple times
[14:38] <bep> http://i.imgur.com/MYmIC.jpg
[14:38] <bep> is what I wrote
[14:38] <refreshingapathy> bep: that post is ballsy
[14:38] <bep> whilst my laptop restarted