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[1/27/2016 7:41:56 PM] Uthred Black: I'm good at the min thanks. How does the dragon barding deed work? Now I have a meta dexxer should I get myself one of those armoured mounts?
[1/27/2016 7:42:36 PM] JimmyV: I'd get the swampy, if u plan on affording a ball + 300-400kish valorite barding for it by 1week after purchase ( by bonding)
[1/27/2016 7:48:23 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): Not 300-400 more like 400-500. 300 barely covers and sometimes is cost.
[1/27/2016 7:50:43 PM] JimmyV: well there was one for sale on the forums for like 300-350, so its a real threshold.
[1/27/2016 7:52:54 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): I know that guy and its not a current price. It was when he was getting rope for 10k per. Prices have risen. I pay min 15k per and thats only cuz i got so many fishermen able to supply me.
[1/27/2016 7:56:30 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): Nikoi and most other peeps posting are getting rope for 20k+because they are fighting over the scraps after ETC cleans our the market hehe.

For example i had a guy offering 20k for one yesterday. I said sure for one. He asked how many i need? I said many you got? Sold me all 16 rope
[1/27/2016 7:57:20 PM] Jakub Arnold: [Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:23 PM] [ETC] Artifex Hexoplex:

<<< um... so I was in the orc cave and went into a waterfall...where the hell am I now?
but beware Orcs go there quite a lot, I spent maybe 2 weeks nonstop macroing there and ran into an orc almost every day ... but most of the time they were nice and let me pay a tribuut hehe
[1/27/2016 7:58:04 PM] Jakub Arnold: 20k is imho nice, I saw quite a few at 25-29k today at vendors :\
[1/27/2016 8:08:53 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): Well we are paying 15k internally. Only reason prices have gone up on forums is cuz if there was 10 suppliers and 3 buying all being supplied evenly.

Now since ETC/RedRum are buying all the mibs and nets we can get. we have 12 suppliers and 6 buyers, difference now is 7-8 of the 12 suppliers are supplying one buyer, us. The rest of the other 5 buyers are fighting over other 4-5 suppliers. So with a decrease in supply in the main pool and increase of buyers it has made the secondary market prices rise.

With this our prices have risen along with it though lower since we pay for bulk prices.
-When it was 15k on forums we paid 10k
-when it was 17k we bought at 12k
-when it was 18k we bought at 13k.
-Now its 20k+ but since most prices hold at 20k we are buying at 15k.

The higher prices are those trying to take advantage of peeps super desperate for that last rope needed for their deed.
[1/27/2016 8:09:48 PM] Jakub Arnold: hmm interesting :O reading this, how much do you buy mibs/nets for?
[1/27/2016 8:10:44 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): We have made the effort to corner the market though to insure we get the sales instead of other trade house and our miners and fishermen are the first ones on server to get paid for next deed turn around.
[1/27/2016 8:11:18 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): Eventually those who cant afford to stay in thr market will drop out and with the decrease in demand the prices will fall.
[1/27/2016 8:11:43 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): Basic econ
[1/27/2016 8:12:21 PM] JimmyV: someone is always willing to pay more or less, and thus this is a flawed market so no not basic economy
[1/27/2016 8:14:31 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): Oh very basic. The highest and lowest prices arent really taken into consideration. No matter what market there will always be greedy and generous peeps. But the market will dictate its prices
[1/27/2016 8:15:10 PM] JimmyV: they of course are, this conversation regards the MINIMUM amt needed, and u take in consideration ppl willing to sell rope @12k each vs 30k on a store, that is obv overpriced
[1/27/2016 8:18:11 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): True but i mostly just watch the market. Im such a market nerd, i watch posts for rope daily. Im probably the biggest buyer in game for rope haha. You right i take them into consideration but usually a 30k offer i laugh at and the 12k offer i usually offer more unless they insist hehe.
[1/27/2016 8:18:59 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): No one is offering 12 anymore though. :(
[1/27/2016 8:22:38 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): 15k though is fair thats what i bought the 16 rope yesterday for and we pay bulk prices to make sure our products are lowest on the market so we can maintain lowest price on server in encourage our sales and keep us relevant.
[1/27/2016 8:23:33 PM] JimmyV: i dont wanna get into how bulk shouldn't be cheaper...
[1/27/2016 8:46:41 PM] todd pocha: agree
[1/27/2016 9:53:58 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): Well guys sry but there isnt a industry out there in UO or RL where bulk isnt cheaper than retail prices. Its a natural economic incentive to increase bigger purchases and to allow there to be even be a retail industry.
[1/27/2016 9:54:49 PM] JimmyV: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[1/27/2016 9:54:52 PM] JimmyV: More work
[1/27/2016 9:54:57 PM] JimmyV: = same pay or more money
[1/27/2016 9:55:07 PM] JimmyV: if u work ur ass off at your job, your boss doesn't say, great job
[1/27/2016 9:55:11 PM] JimmyV: you fuckin get less money now,
[1/27/2016 9:55:14 PM] JimmyV: so
[1/27/2016 9:55:40 PM] Artifex Hexoplex: if you're working wholesale/retail like we are though, it's different
[1/27/2016 9:55:58 PM] JimmyV: reagants
[1/27/2016 9:56:00 PM] JimmyV: are not fucking cheaper
[1/27/2016 9:56:03 PM] JimmyV: for bulk prices
[1/27/2016 9:56:17 PM] JimmyV: they are almost always inflated
[1/27/2016 9:56:33 PM] Artifex Hexoplex: I do 4/5 until you hit 10k+ then I do 3.5/4.5
[1/27/2016 9:56:57 PM] JimmyV: incentivized sales is not the same as discounted sales...
[1/27/2016 9:57:02 PM] Artifex Hexoplex: 3.5/4.5 in guild as base though
[1/27/2016 9:57:22 PM] Leewald (Elvin Archor): I dont know whats got you so upset bro but this is purely business.
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