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<Hendricks266> I think you both are calling each other racist but neither of you is really racist
<Hendricks266> <Boilerplate> Reverse Racism
<Hendricks266> "reverse racism" can be either of two things
<Hendricks266> 1. a bullshit term invented by the original racists applied to invented, exaggerated, or perceived "injustice" towards them
<Hendricks266> 2. a bullshit term invented by the original racists applied to genuine progress against their racism
<Hendricks266> racism cannot be "reverse"
<Hendricks266> you can be racist against racists but that doesn't make it "reverse"
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<Hendricks266> <Boilerplate> You never been oppressed MoonStalkeR so shut the fuck up
<Hendricks266> really?
<Hendricks266> he's explained very well how he is disadvantaged
<Hendricks266> Besides, I see absolutely no point in battling over which one of you is more disadvantaged.
<Hendricks266> <MoonStalkeR> go to a black neighborhood
<Hendricks266> <MoonStalkeR> you will get attacked by a pack
<Hendricks266> <MoonStalkeR> and mugged
<Hendricks266> That's racist.
<Hendricks266> Granted, it could be likely. But it's not because they are black.
<Hendricks266> Sociology topics like crime, gangs, poverty, etc tend to only include race as a historical correlation (like the fact that modern "black" people are descended from Jim Crow-era oppression and slavery)
<Hendricks266> <MoonStalkeR> as a white male, you are born guilty
<Hendricks266> As a partially white male, I was not born guilty
<Hendricks266> I am not ignorant, nor am I prejudiced
<Hendricks266> also, "white" is not a thing
<Hendricks266> I suppose you could call yourself "white" if you were a mix of European descents, like how today "black" can be mixed African descent due to slavery's indiscriminate mixing of ancestries
<Hendricks266> but there is no large group called "white"
<Hendricks266> at least none applicable to oppression
<Hendricks266> and you can't tie issues together
<Hendricks266> oppression from patriarchy towards women is on a different axis from rich white people toward poor blacks
<Hendricks266> <Boilerplate> Your also missing the point that racism is insitional hence why we have white privledge
<Hendricks266> I have hard time believing that hateful racism is institutional today
<Hendricks266> There are definitely systemic, institutional issues that disproportionately affect ethnic groups
<Hendricks266> like the poor state of inner-city school systems
<Hendricks266> but generally you don't have the racist white sheriff aiming fire hoses at black schoolchildren any more
<Hendricks266> "white privilege" is nonsense
<Hendricks266> Yes, it can be advantageous to be white.
<Hendricks266> But that tends to be circumstantial and nothing more.
<Hendricks266> MoonStalkeR's skin color may be "white" but as a poor ethnic Russian he certainly does not have white privilege
<Hendricks266> OK, I am going to unmute the channel. I haven't covered everything but I haven't read it in-depth.
<Hendricks266> Don't villainize groups of people. History and reality don't work that way.
<Hendricks266> At least don't villainize them in 2013.
<Hendricks266> Global society has melded cultural groups enough that you can't attribute things like you used to.
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