Sam Adams Award Dinner (09/22/2017)

Supplemental document for: "Theory that Roger Stone's back channel to Wikileaks was Randy Credico", link: https://wakelet.com/wake/2d352ae9-febe-44a1-a7bb-51674a2e4bf5

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPaERbfJ8RM

Transcript of the Sam Adams Award Dinner, September 22, 2017

RAY MCGOVERN
My name's not Sam Adams [inaudible] that's the kind of guy he was. Sy is the kind of guy, it's really nice that Sy knew Sam, back when. Back in the seventies. And there's a lot of commonality here, one thing I'd like to mention, is that one of our awardees, a fellow named Sam Provence, U.S. Army Seargent, serving at Abu Ghraib, as a systems administrator, told the truth to the army inspector, since they came around, okay? He was the only one, okay? And he got hell for it. And I talked to him, on an email yesterday...and he wrote this: "Yeah! Sy Hersh," it says. "His Abu Ghraib revelations prompted me to go to the media. And continue on speaking out, because it let me know there were people with such credibility, who would risk it all, not just because they were journalists, but because they actually cared." Well, that's what Sam wrote, and I wrote back, I said to Sam, "Now, you started telling the truth _before_, before Sy spoke out." And he said, "Yeah, but you know, this was the way it went down." He said, "I was telling [inaudible due to noise] everything from the beginning." He was right there, in the complex, where the torture was going, the really bad stuff. And you had the [inaudible], ten hours, listen to all the screaming and stuff, alright? So. "I had been dodging the media, [inaudible] for months. But it wasn't until Sy's brave article, that it came out, May 10th, 2004. I reached out to the media, a week later. And then I found out the whole system was corrupt. And then General [George] Fay interviewed me. Without Sy blazing the trail, and shining the light, I would have had no- I would have had zero confidence, that the media would ever listen to me, much less publish the truth. And with his My Lai story, in Vietnam, you knew that this was something that could be done in spite of the severely intimidating circumstances. You, and me- You were the one who put me in touch with Sy, you gave him my hotel room number, and then he called me. And he said, 'I had thirty minutes to get to the state-'" [someone's laughter]

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As you probably know, he could not get it published in English, and went to Der Welt am Sonntag [Die Welt], and had it published there, with an immediate English translation. So, he told his friend, the editor, was that, "You know, I get angry when people are not held accountable." That's another virtue that you share with Sam Adams. He got really angry. Thomas Aquinas, by the way, says "Anger is a virtue." K? So, a lot of us have virtue. So, so what- What Sy does in this thing, it's not just that there's lying here, it's more than just being upset about lying. It's about reluctance of us in the press to hold the men and women in one of the world's governments to the highest standard. The president of America today must learn- get this: he must learn that he cannot lie about intelligence before authorizing an act of war. WOAH. There are those in the Trump administration that understand this, which is why- which is why I learned the information that I did. If this story breeds even a few moments of regret a the White House, it will have served a high purpose. Well, some of us know that it actually prevented the next round of false flag attacks from sarin [inaudible] So, I don't want to monopolize the time here. So, I just want to say that we have...Sy, has won a Pulitzer, and I was doing some digging, and I kept poking around - it's five Polks. Five Polk Awards [George Polk Award - award named for American journalist killed in Greece], the last one, for- you weren't working for anybody when you did Abu Ghraib? [inaudible] Nobody paid you for that. [HERSH: The New Yorker.] But now the New Yorker won't touch Sy's stuff, neither will the New York Review of Books, neither will the London Review of Books - only Der Welt am Sonntag, and [inaudible]. Well. Quite a career. Now, we have a tradition here, where we award- rather than an Oscar, or an Emmy, a [inaudible] candle stick holder, shining light in the dark corner. K? And that is our Oscar, and we also have a- a little [inaudible] here, and this is, this is better than getting a Pulitzer. And I'll read it: "Sam Adams Associates For Integrity in Intelligence Presents this integrity award, the night of 2017, to Seymour M. Hersh. It has been said, that the pen is mightier than the sword. We are likely to find out soon enough, if that is the case. Sy Hersh had the courage to use his unparalleled access to sober minded senior officials, to expose U.S. government misdeeds. This may prove to be a more effective deterrent [inaudible] Trump's attacking North Korea, than the nuclear bombs and missiles, at the disposal of the North Korean leader. How can this be true? Well, because truth-tellers in our national security establishment would tell Sy. And even if Sy's words could appear first only in German, as was the case with Sy's exposé [inaudible] lie about the Syrian air force's attack on the quote "chemical weapons", attack with chemical weapons in early April. There's still a good chance that the world could know, this time, and hopefully, before a U.S. attack in retaliation. Seems likely that Trump would be more hesitant to risk having to sit in the war crime docket Nuremberg #2, then he would be to risk carnage in an attack on North Korea, that brings the entire peninsula and beyond. Such is the potential power of the pen. Sy Hersh's pen. Presented on this 22nd day of September, 2017 in Washington, D.C., by admirers of the example set by the late CIA analyst Sam Adams. Congratulations. [applause]

SEYMOUR HERSH
We should have a colloquy here, because a lot of people here are tuned in to what I do, and do this thing-

COLEEN ROWLEY
Sy! Can a couple more people talk? Just before you?

HERSH
Sure!

ROWLEY
Is that possible?

HERSH
Now that you ask...yes!

ROWLEY
And maybe you can light the candle here...but I want Larry, and a few others, who had asked me to talk, about you...

HERSH
Okay.

ROWLEY
A few words.

LARRY JOHNSON
I'm Larry Johnson. I met Sy thirty seven years ago, when he graciously acceded to my request to speak to my class, in foreign policy semester at Washington American University. It's true. Day before I had William Colby [former Director of the CIA] come in. Little did I know that Colby and Sy knew each other, and may have talked at other times...Sy came in, spoke, next year he'd speak to my class, my son Josh was born in July, his son Josh was born a couple of weeks later. We both had Joshuas in a short period of time. We became friends. Now, I'll boil it down and make it this simple: Sy has made it possible for whistleblowers to come forward and you don't the names of many of them. We're not giving the awards to any whistleblowers - Sy Hersh has helped cover so many of them, thank god. Because had he not had that integrity as a journalist, they would be exposed. He has protected them by testifying to [inaudible] The best thing about Sy, is he's eighty years old, and he still hits the golf ball farther than the average sixty year old. So, he's a tremendous golfer, but most of all, he's just an excellent person. [applause]

ROWLEY
Tom!

THOMAS DRAKE
Sy, just want to briefly acknowledge you- [inaudible from HERSH] Tom Drake. [HERSH: How are ya!] Doing really well. I was- [inaudible from HERSH about jail] Yeah, I'm out of it. Never went to jail. I'm free! I was- I wanted to acknowledge you for having helped awaken me in terms of...civil rights, and government abuse, and power. I was twelve years old, when your article was first published about My Lai. And in that moment, I recognized there's a need, if I grow up, to always question authority. I want to thank you, Sy. That was the beginning of my own civic awakening. [applause]

HERSH
Did good with it. Did good with it. Now, you can get in some real trouble. [UNKNOWN: Alright, who else? Who else?]

ROWLEY
Anyone else?

JOHN KIRIAKOU
This is one of the rare occasions where I think I'm one of the younger people in the room. [laughter] My parents were very political. Very aware...of national issues, the news, et cetera. We always talked about the news, as I was growing up, that's why Daniel Ellsberg was such a hero in our house, because even when I was- whatever it was, five years old, my parents explained to me, and to my brother and sister, the importance of something Daniel Ellsberg did. It was the same with Sy Hersh. I was a four year old, and I knew who Sy Hersh was. Because what he was doing was so important, not just to me, of course, but to the whole country. Tom Drake stole the rest of my speech [laughter], but I wanted to say, was, you probably, Sy, have no idea how many people you've impacted over the years. And exactly what the impact has been, on their lives. So, for myself, I want to thank you, you deserve not just this award, but many others. Many others that haven't even been thought of yet. Thank you for your service. [applause]

HERSH
Oh my god, we got a lot. This is a break for me.

UNKNOWN MAN
[inaudible] say anything [inaudible] retired Army Officer, Retired Army JAG Officer, I just want to say, that I think that you keep [inaudible] recognizing that, during the Vietnam War, the generals wanted to claim that [inaudible] the anti-war movement stabbed us in the back. And allowed the Vietnamese [inaudible] win, but in fact it was _they_ who were doing the strategic blunder that was allowing us to be catastrophically defeated, like the Soviet Union would be defeated later, in 1989, in Afghanistan. People like Sy Hersh who revealed the truth, allowed the American people, and the anti-war movement to get us out of that catastrophic war, before it became even more catastrophic. In the current global war on terrorism has exposed what it really is, is a pack of lies, by courageous journalists like Sy Hersh. So, just my way of saying that, if you want to talk about the greatest [inaudible], you gotta look at people like Sy Hersh, and not Westmoreland, and the hacks that we have now, who are leading us into catastrophic disaster. Thank you. [applause]

UNKNOWN WOMAN
The Sam Adams Association would like to formally present Sy with the [inaudible] brightening kit, shining light into dark corners, and revealing truth. Congratulations, and thank you so much. [UNKNOWN VOICE: Light the candle.] [applause]

HERSH
[inaudible] [laughter] Anyway. We don't have a colloquy, but I have a couple of thoughts. This isn't- I have been watching- I am a Vietnam junkie. And I go back to Gloria Emerson [New York Times war correspondent], Neil Sheehan [another Vietnam correspondent, writer of A Bright and Shining Lie], even Tony Lewis [Anthony Lewis, New York Times columnist], who turned on- was very critical of the war, back, way back. And, it's what lies ahead that's very scary. And I'll read you something, that was a review of the Ken Burns, somebody I don't know, but he's written a lot about Hollywood, David Thomson, wrote a book about one of the Hollywood studios, he was given a screening, he wrote a review for the London Review [of Books], the London Review, they just- I'll be alright with them, it's okay, but they just panicked about looking- They didn't want to look too pro-Soviet [this is about the rejection of his Syria sarin piece that ended up in Die Welt]. They have that big worry, you know. It's over. I mean, Assad's going to stay in power. It's over. I don't know what we're going to do about it. They're going to re-build by Russia and China, and there's no question the Shia are in, the Sunnis are going down, the Israelis are crazy, Iran now has a pathway to Syria through Lebannon, through the Med [Mediterranean] and it's a nightmare for a lot of people, a lot of the Sunnis, people of the Gulf, who we've been supporting and paying. And so, we're into a time, which you can almost say, it's one of the rare times you can say, there's almost something optimistic about a big change in the Middle East. That moves us out of the picture. Any guy that can stand up to America for six years, whether you like him or don't like him - yes, he's a despot, but so's the guy- so are the people in Oman, Bahrain - no distinction. Anyway, any guy who can stand up to us is going to be a hero, sortof like Nasrallah was, after he took on the Israelis in '06. So it's going to be a new- new world, I think, in a way we might not even know about. It's uncomfortable to know about it. But anyway, that's overseas.

Here's something, this guy Thompson, who I don't know, he saw all of the eighteen hours [of the Ken Burns special "Vietnam"] and at the end of it, apparently, in one of the last shows, he says that he was- If you've seen any of it, they had various witnesses, and the witnesses- I'm not a fan of Burns. But- The most [inaudible] parts- I hated the part with Kennedy. You should know that Jack Kennedy- If you don't think Kennedy knew what was going on...Kennedy, the intelligence community was in a panic, because Diem and his brother were talking to the North Vietnamese. The NSA even tracked a big meeting, in New Delhi. And they were talking about both countries would stay the same, there was a word that was in vogue, a word that you may have had in America, "neutralism". Neutralism in '63 meant Jack Kennedy wouldn't be re-elected. Anyway. He [Diem] had to die. I don't know why more people don't know about this, or written about this, [inaudible] and this intelligence, I talked to a number of people for a book I did ten years ago [presumably, The Dark Side of Camelot, his book on Kennedy], Allen Whiting [Director of the Office of Research and Analysis for the Far East, under Kennedy], guys in INR [Bureau of Intelligence and Research, at the State Department], guys at the Agency [CIA], it was widely known. But anyway. Kennedy- Kennedy got a ride from them. But I think the show's- Anyway, whatever the show's- Once you get people talking about what happened, and the disillusionment, you're ahead every day. We'll see what the last ten segments are.

Anyway. At the end, he quotes a woman, and so does Thompson in his essay ["Merely an Empire" link: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n18/david-thomson/merely-an-empire ]. A woman named Jan Howard. A country singer, "well preserved and vigorous, a little tough in her look, but not the most unsettling face in this film - that would be [Commander] Nguyen Cao Ky" [laughs] You should look at his eyes, sometime, absolutely blue. Like Ellsberg's. Like Paul Newman's. Like Gordon Liddy. You ever look at Ellsberg's blue eyes? Nothing like them. Pure perception. Anyway. "She had had a son killed in the war when one day a student demonstrator called on her, asking if she would like to join their anti-war march-" In the show, that we'll see at some point, those who'll watch it. She says - on the air, she says: "Yes, my son is dead...One of the reasons he died was so you'd have the right to do this, so go ahead and demonstrate. Have at it. No, I won't be joining you. But I tell you what, if you ever ring my doorbell again I'll blow your damned head off with my .357 Magnum." Then he goes on to say: "She said that in 1969. She says in again on the film. The country is armed. Its people are afraid. We cannot make a movie that will save us."

That's where we're at right now. We're on the cusp of something...would you call it a civil war? The Trump phenomenon is not to be easily disregarded. We can't be saved. The guns they have can't save us, the guns we have can't save us. We have a lot of troubles coming in this country. And I think it's too bad that nobody's looking at it. We'll see what the reaction to this show, we'll see what the reaction is to what Trump does. And so, for me, I can tell you that, you know, Sam Adams is an award, because Sam was- inspired a lot of people on the inside. I met Sam in '72, '73. He had a farm, we used to go up to his farm. And Sam was an interesting whistleblower. We have other kinds of whistleblowers, Sam did his work under the table. Privately. And I was just talking- I always thought he had- I know he had something to do with the intelligence- He was also, as you know, became very well known that he- He tried to prosecute- He wasn't only going against Westmoreland, he was going against Dick Helms, both of whom were ignoring his- He were in charge of Viet Cong statistics. And the crossover count. He was _in charge_ of it in '67. He'd only been at the agency - seven, eight years, but he was brilliant. Very bright. Harvard kid. He was related to the original Adams Samuel and- Anyway, Sam saw the lies - inside, tried to get investigations going, but both the agency and the military were shut down [sic - shut it down], Ellsberg played a role in getting all of his information out, and Sam...the insider, I worked for Gene McCarthy, I covered the war for- I was involved in the war in '66-'67, for AP, and you just couldn't do it. You couldn't do it. It was impossible. You couldn't turn the corner on what was going on. And I can tell you right now, if you went back and looked at the uh uh- Church groups were reporting in '64-'65 [sic - might be reference to Church Committee, congressional committee which investigated abuses by intelligence agencies in this period], what was the great commission that was done in England, in '64? The Sha- Not the Sh- C'mon, the great- Bertrand Russell- Russell's tribunal. I never want to work on chemical and biological warfare again, get a book [inaudible] stuff, so I was going around '66-'67, giving anti-war speeches. And people would come up to me, from the Tribunal, and they gave me a book this thick, about the hearings. Russell had these hearings, the New York Times denounced him as a doddering old fool, he should go back and die, he was 91, and in the hearings, in '64, early '65, before- even before this- by late '65, there was three guys testifying- the army had only been there, they were just beginning. The Marines, army units, had just begun to fight. Finally began about March of '65. And by that fall, they had three G.I.'s testifying about, we go into a village, look for the- look for the bad guys, and if there were nobody there [sic], everybody knew you'd have a mad man, which, everybody just opened up on anybody they saw, you just shot and shot. We did it in village after village, I'm talking late '65.

I can also tell you that the first group of people come, not not- when people come and ask you about My Lai, I say, "Don't talk to me about what I did. Why don't you talk to the reporters who were there in '65, during the Marines, the first combat they had, a bunch of Marines threw hand grenades into a cave, which a couple of dozen Vietnamese civilians had gone to hide." And it was *whoosh* "I got me some!" A reporter for the AP, was with those first Marines, he wrote that story, after my third story about My Lai, when Paul- [Private] Paul Meadlo went on CBS and said, "Yes, I killed everybody," this story changed that. He wrote that story as the ten, twelve reporters, was it Thursday or Friday, on the- Walter Cronkite, CBS, Walter Cronkite, CBS News, which was then sortof the only- If you were against the war, the only network to watch. And those were people that watched the news every night. Anyway, I remember is that Sunday, all the Sunday papers, finally, the story I was writing as a freelance reporter for an anti-war paper, Dispatch News, doesn't matter- I- I- I never joined anything after that. I was a freelancer for the New Yorker, I was a freelancer- I didn't want to join anything after that. Because there's very diminishing, to join something, in the news media, I don't know why. I did work for the New York Times, but even that, was an outrider. Anyway, the point is everybody wrote a Sunday story, about the assassination that they saw, a guy named John Wheeler, perfectly nice guy, I don't mention his name, but I decided to do now. He wrote a story, he wrote a story about what he saw. That first raid in March of '69- of '65. These kids throwing hand grenades, where there were a bunch of civilians. And he said they didn't write it. Because it didn't feel right to do, Marines were honorable, et cetera et cetera. That kind of stuff [inaudible].

Anyway...Sam Adams was special. And he wanted to stay in. He thought his job was to stay in. And I will tell you why I'm totally in debt. When I left the news business, I went to work for Gene McCarthy, because Bobby Kennedy wouldn't run. And we're in trouble. I was on the road with McCarthy, it's a small staff, I went to see him, and it was in late November of '67, and by January of '68, we were tracking at five percent, and I remember complaining about, I was always gone, awful- we had a kind- And I remember saying, "I'm involved with somebody that's going to fuck the peace movement. We're going to end up with five percent of the vote." And then, somebody inside - and Ellsberg had a role in it, published a leak to the New York- to Neil Sheehan, of all people. Thank god, great guy. And Westmoreland wanted six hundred- two hundred thousand six more troops [sic]. It was early February of '68. And that did it. All of a sudden, when everything- McCarthy's crowds began to get bigger, that leak enabled him to win the write-in vote. He actually won, when the total count was over, the first day's results, he was forty three percent write-in to Johnson's forty six percent, the absentee ballots put him at fifty point one. Really, the absent- Johnson quit, after that. You couldn't beat McCarthy, it was done. Bobby came in. The idea that there are media to talk to, and the idea that there are people on the inside, whether you want to go public, or not, that are doing it, as a function of a democracy. And you people support that. Because you also support- there's a loyalty in it. All of this- The whole point, [inaudible]. The whole point is based on this total love for the ideal [inaudible due to noise]. That's why I was very proud to take this award, even though I'm not a whistleblower. I mean, it doesn't fit. But I'll take it anyway. [laughter]

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About two years ago, Russia decided they were going to move in, and Russia did...if you remember, Obama said there'd be a quagmire. Russia did what we couldn't do. I don't know if that's because they have better leadership, or not. I will tell you the saving grace for us, is that General- the Chairman we have now, Dumford, known as- he was stabbed, basically, _Dumb_ford, he's not very smart. But the guy before him, Dempsey, Dempsey was a chairman who left in August the 30th, 31st, I can't remember, [inaudible], left the chairmanship after four years, in July 31st [sic] - September 1st, the next day, he had a chair at Duke University. He's a scholar, he's an Army General, he's a scholar, on um, the famous Russian poet, Irish poet- [UNKNOWN VOICE: Yeats?] No. He's a scholar. He's a poet. Certain poet, he wrote- He got a master's- [HERSH appears to be wrong in disagreeing with the unknown shouter; Dempsey wrote a graduate paper on Yeats's "Easter, 1916" link: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/10/17/us-general-with-irish-roots-made-honorary-british-knight.html] He's one of the few army guys that went to West Point, you're allowed to take two years off and get a master's degree- [UNKNOWN VOICE: But Taylor, didn't he-] Yeah, but - Maxwell Taylor is a piece of work [laughter]. You know. You know what scares me...I remember a story, when I was working for McCarthy, one day, I was at a fundraiser we had in California. And the way it was, I was writing speeches and all that crap, and you see so much of it, the last thing you want to do is do this, a money fundraiser, and the press weren't allowed. So I was outside, hanging around with the press, which [inaudible] and Dean Isidore [sp?], wonderful journalist out of the Muskoka [sp?] Daily News, we started talking about who screwed us up in the war. The brains. Mcnamara, who, when I covered the Pentagon, if I had to write honestly about him, I had to write anonymously. I had to write under another name. In a magazine, to write honestly about him. Because that's the way it was. At the AP, you couldn't do it. And I first learned to do it, I learned it there. He was a psychotic liar. Just a psychotic liar. Because he could not tell the truth...to himself, even. He was crazy. I shouldn't say psychotic, I'm not qualified. He was a liar. A hell of a liar. Anyway, and you had McGeorge Bundy, and you had the best and the brightest, you had- Johnson, very bright.

So, we were bitching about it, and he told me a story, this was a Chomsky story. He said, he had a Neiman fellowship, at- I've never asked Noam about this. And he remembers everything. He said, he had a Neiman fellowship in 1959 and '60. At Harvard. And he watched the inauguration, didn't want to work at MIT, and I guess he took a class in linguistics, or something, from Chomsky, who was teaching that. Sorry, that's my memory. And he was watching the inauguration, with a bunch of people, including Noam, and when he said- Earl Warren, I think it was, who swore him in, when that happened, Chomsky said, "_Now_, the terror begins." And, so you think about these guys, and what they put us through. The lying, the knowledge, the hype - and then you think about what we have _now_. Angry, frustrated three year old. Surrounded by a bunch of- McMaster, if you want to know about McMaster, go get his speech at that Virginia place, what is it? VMI! Go get his speech when he was talking about, the whole point- one of the points he makes is, we shouldn't [sic - this might be "didn't"] use all the force we could. _All_ the force we could. I mean, not excluding anything. He made that speech. So, we've got him. We've got other generals. It's- It's very worrisome. Because we've got...dumber people, and we've got a press that is completely obsessed about a fantasy. Which is that, Putin was reading the emails that might be from John Podesta, and- "Let's make this public, and let's not-" Without touching them. Without one shred of anything, anywhere. _Anywhere_ that this happened. Just a Hillary Clinton fantasy, to explain one point two billion dollars, to her money people...why she lost. The White House, too. You also have a community, where suddenly, in December, got NSA document after NSA document leaked to the world, who said what. Flynn was saying...I mean, Flynn...is a complete moron, and the Flynn story is worse than anybody knows, and if they're going to get anybody, they're gonna get Flynn. No reporter would write, "It's not clear why we're getting these documents. You know, perhaps it has something to do with the Democrats not liking Trump," and [inaudible] I mean, it's not said. [inaudible] blanket integrity of a professional.

When I worked at the New York Times, I was telling Larry [Johnson], the one thing I knew about the New York Times, after working there, it's that- when I was there, '72 to '70, I was brought in because the coverage of the war was awful, [inaudible] I was then at the New Yorker, I'd done [inaudible] a couple of stories, a couple of books. And the one thing about- The one thing I learned, what I would say to my friends, who'd call me up, my liberal friends, in the community, anywhere. And bitch about something in the Times, I'd always say, "You don't understand the New York Times, is...there's going to be a social movement, I'm just saying this [inaudible], a revolution in America, the New York Times wouldn't know about it." This is not where we are. It's a very staid place. K? [inaudible] invented here. And now you have [inaudible] newspapers that are not even there. It's all in their fantasy. And I tell you what worries the hell out of me: they're not going to prove anything about the Russians. It's just not there. They're not- The only way they can muscle up, is...Flynn. Flynn was out of his mind. I can't tell you how many crazy calls he made. Forty or fifty countries, from Trump's orders. Forty to fifty foreign ministers say, "Deal with me, [inaudible] don't deal with your foreign minister or your state department, I'm your guy." And we're picking it all up, and throwing it over the bridge. I mean, he was nuts. That's all you're going to get. They're not going to get him. And what's going to happen? It's going to be a year of investigations of nothingness. And he's going to come out of it with a lot of sympathy. That may propel him...believe it or not, into holding the crappy majority he has. And even more. I don't think he's going to quit because people poopooed him - he's not quitting anyways. He's staying the course. And there are people who work for him, and I do know this: that's one reason I'm glad to be hearing this, privately here, because I know people on the inside, and they're as scared as all of you are. [inaudible] people I actually go to meet. And make decisions. They're as scared as you are. So, there's that to be said. There's some rationality, but apart from that- We're in a very hard time. And we've got a lot of guys with guns. Got a lot of anger in the country. [responds to some with their hand up, wanting to ask question] Yes! Say something.

UNKNOWN VOICE
I have a question, sir.

HERSH
You can't film and talk at the same time. [laughter]

UNKNOWN VOICE
What's your opinion about having three generals surrounding Donald Trump?

HERSH
[laughs] Well...I'd rather have them than Bannon. How's that?